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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: H MAN on August 03, 2019, 08:55:19 am
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Here you have best/easy fix ever for your Gardiner Quick-LoQ and / or Wiel-LoC
Be able to insert IN/OUT with ease.
Will show how it was done in minutes just using wood rasp file.
Also how to fine tune, making insertion easier without pressing pin in to attach onto your cleaning tools.
Lastly for the people that use the Wiel-LoC how we converted the angle adapter from 2 pin connection to easier 1 pin connection. For ease to put cleaning tools OFF/ON.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vwKG1sW6FQ&list=PLGXIM0LRMTcQXOQ_ZrfeIx9vy5mKmRe-N&index=16&t=0s
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1564821528_xstxr.jpg)
I know ;D ;D
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Can’t see Gardiners being impressed with that title. Particularly as theirs don’t need fixing.
Sounds like the Australian version is crap, even their cricketers resort to sandpaper!
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Herman are you saying the Gardiners version isnt fit for purpose?
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Libel, anyone?
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Here you have best/easy fix ever for your Gardiner Quick-LoQ and / or Wiel-LoC
Be able to insert IN/OUT with ease.
Will show how it was done in minutes just using wood rasp file.
Also how to fine tune, making insertion easier without pressing pin in to attach onto your cleaning tools.
Lastly for the people that use the Wiel-LoC how we converted the angle adapter from 2 pin connection to easier 1 pin connection. For ease to put cleaning tools OFF/ON.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vwKG1sW6FQ&list=PLGXIM0LRMTcQXOQ_ZrfeIx9vy5mKmRe-N&index=16&t=0s
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I haven't had a problem with the quick loqs for years ;D
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OK first of all the ones that we used about 7 years ago (Prototype).
Worked ok no problems.
Although at the time did say that it would of been good to put a small notch in the female part like in this video we did at the time. 7/4/2013 1 QUICK-LOQ 30 SECOND FINE TUNE. https://youtu.be/giH5VGFTziY
But it appears that over the years the moulds may of shrunk causing the newer ones being tight fitting or getting stuck.
And the Australian version is the same as the UK one just bigger.
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I haven't had a problem with the quick loqs for years ;D
Yes but always hear people whining on this group they jam on or put ON/OFF.
Some say use sand paper it but they never show how it's done so we showed how we did it.
We put the video only for the people that do have this problem.
Here is another video from one of your blokes in the UK did. (Mark Munro)
To solve the problem this was about 5 years ago.
So it was already an issue then. https://youtu.be/ibKoVBS-xtM
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I haven't had a problem with the quick loqs for years ;D
Yes but always hear people whining on this group they jam on or put ON/OFF.
Some say use sand paper it but they never show how it's done so we showed how we did it.
We put the video only for the people that do have this problem.
Here is another video from one of your blokes in the UK did. (Mark Munro)
To solve the problem this was about 5 years ago.
So it was already an issue then. https://youtu.be/ibKoVBS-xtM
H-man -
If Australian cricketers know how to use sandpaper then I think you can rest assured that the members of this forum do too.
However I believe Gardiners addressed this issue years ago .
Furthermore it seems to me that your posts have gone from being perceived as useful to humorous/useful to irritating/humorous/useful.
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I haven't had a problem with the quick loqs for years ;D
Yes but always hear people whining on this group they jam on or put ON/OFF.
Some say use sand paper it but they never show how it's done so we showed how we did it.
We put the video only for the people that do have this problem.
Here is another video from one of your blokes in the UK did. (Mark Munro)
To solve the problem this was about 5 years ago.
So it was already an issue then. https://youtu.be/ibKoVBS-xtM
H-man -
If Australian cricketers know how to use sandpaper then I think you can rest assured that the members of this forum do too.
However I believe Gardiners addressed this issue years ago .
Furthermore it seems to me that your posts have gone from being perceived as useful to humorous/useful to irritating/humorous/useful.
OK that's good sorted the sticking jamming issue.
However doing this makes life easier also when inserting into your brushes.
This explained in the video in case you have not looked at it yet.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1564904485_QIUCK-LOQ NOTCH.jpg)
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So your 5 years behind?
Lmao
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So your 5 years behind?
Lmao
5 years behind what??
It's the other way around.
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So your 5 years behind?
Lmao
5 years behind what??
It's the other way around.
Yeah it’s not H MAN that’s 5 years behind - it’s you! 🙄🥴😂
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In that case you’ll be patenting this being 5 years ahead.
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I love the bit where you say now use 2 washers on the pin because the wall thickness is too thin ( hmm is that where you filed it by any chance ?
Love it h-man - how to destroy a perfectly good piece of kit in five minutes ;D
As said (and I know you won’t listen) gardeners have addressed the tight fitting sockets - there maybe the odd old one about but generally this is no longer an issue
Darran
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It's not another Univalve moment, but I think the easy fit/click mod is pretty good. Just done it to all three of my brushes and another Qloc tool adapter with a Dremel. I did the other mod with sandpaper a few years back though and I've never had any sticking problems since.
Thanks for the tip H MAN, it will make swapping out my brushes / tools a little easier from now on.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1564952718_Qloc mod.jpg)
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It's not another Univalve moment, but I think the easy fit/click mod is pretty good. Just done it to all three of my brushes and another Qloc tool adapter with a Dremel. I did the other mod with sandpaper a few years back though and I've never had any sticking problems since.
Thanks for the tip H MAN, it will make swapping out my brushes / tools a little easier from now on.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1564952718_Qloc mod.jpg)
Looks like a proper bought one ;) :)
Thanks for at least trying it.
Regarding sanding or in our case we use a wood rasp file.
We only did half from the end.
Not like in that other video where they did the whole QL.
Know it's only for your brushes and most people do not swap them out all the time.
But there some people that use QL on other cleaning tools where they swap out tools many times in one day.
So this will make it even easier to change the tools.
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Although had done another video relating to the Easy Click mod. In 2013. :D
This one explains a little better. ;)
https://youtu.be/giH5VGFTziY
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Herman for goodness sake admit defeat rather than continuing with this drivel , if we get a sticking quick lock fitting Alex replaces them free of charge , the new ones don’t do this now anyway it’s the older ones that have a problem, so you are trying to fix something that has been resolved
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Looks like a proper bought one ;) :)
Thanks for at least trying it.
Regarding sanding or in our case we use a wood rasp file.
We only did half from the end.
Not like in that other video where they did the whole QL.
Know it's only for your brushes and most people do not swap them out all the time.
But there some people that use QL on other cleaning tools where they swap out tools many times in one day.
So this will make it even easier to change the tools.
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Yeah, I swap between a flocked and a mono brush several times a day as I'm getting more and more problems with older leaded windows where the lead is coming loose and the mono takes the lead straight off.
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To a degree I don’t think it matters what brush you use on leaded if the glue is knackered it will still come off , we use stiff brushes and hot water on everything and occasionally get lead coming off due to the fact it’s very old nothing to do with the type or style of brush , I Evan had it come off buffing windows trad years ago . If they are that bad tell the customer that it might come off and give them the choice if they want them doing or not .
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Herman for goodness sake admit defeat rather than continuing with this drivel , if we get a sticking quick lock fitting Alex replaces them free of charge , the new ones don’t do this now anyway it’s the older ones that have a problem, so you are trying to fix something that has been resolved
First IF you have a sticking QL it can be fix in minutes. Wouldn't you??
Not wait for a replacement because you don't feel like fixing it.
Also put a small notch so to be able to change you cleaning tools ON the pole easier.
Hang on why don't you tell Alex to fix that problem as well LOL.
He'd probably tell you to check this video out.
https://youtu.be/Kk83u8Ei8W8
Which would of thought that Alex thought of??
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Hi Herman, a couple of points.
The forum has to strike a balance when it comes to allowing what members can post. Occasionally a "report to mod" comes through about your posts along the lines of "does he pay for advertising" or "do we have to put up with this persistent (insert relevant word)".
Another is that your posts have some interest to those of us who make personal mods to our equipment to make our day easier.
So for the time being because it is at a hobby and occasionally helpful level admin have allowed you to continue; however I note that you have been taking a dig from time to time at whoever has made the product in the first place. There is no need for this - especially when the item in question has been modified years ago.
So if you wish to continue just explain what you are doing without any sniping or digs.
Finally I can only guess that your income comes from "clicks" and maybe this is partly why you put up videos all the time - along with the very altruistic reason of helping us all out.
Please tread more carefully.
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Herman for goodness sake admit defeat rather than continuing with this drivel , if we get a sticking quick lock fitting Alex replaces them free of charge , the new ones don’t do this now anyway it’s the older ones that have a problem, so you are trying to fix something that has been resolved
First IF you have a sticking QL it can be fix in minutes. Wouldn't you??
Not wait for a replacement because you don't feel like fixing it.
Also put a small notch so to be able to change you cleaning tools ON the pole easier.
Hang on why don't you tell Alex to fix that problem as well LOL.
He'd probably tell you to check this video out.
https://youtu.be/Kk83u8Ei8W8
We order stuff today and it’s delivered by 10 am the next day so it’s not a problem
Which would of thought that Alex thought of??
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Herman for goodness sake admit defeat rather than continuing with this drivel , if we get a sticking quick lock fitting Alex replaces them free of charge , the new ones don’t do this now anyway it’s the older ones that have a problem, so you are trying to fix something that has been resolved
First IF you have a sticking QL it can be fix in minutes. Wouldn't you??
Not wait for a replacement because you don't feel like fixing it.
Also put a small notch so to be able to change you cleaning tools ON the pole easier.
Hang on why don't you tell Alex to fix that problem as well LOL.
He'd probably tell you to check this video out.
https://youtu.be/Kk83u8Ei8W8
We order stuff today and it’s delivered by 10 am the next day so it’s not a problem
Which would of thought that Alex thought of??
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You sure??? ::)roll
Since you have brought this up if he had already thought of it why didn't he put it on the QL.
This video was done 7/4/2013
And the QL in video was a prototype.
Just saying.
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Maybe he did - perhaps he run a batch - could be it weakened it and the plastic split from the notch to the hole - JUST SAYING
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perhaps its not a problem to 99.999999999999999999% of users - thoughts please
Darran
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Well anyway if you have any of these problems here is the solution.
If you your not interested that's fine.
Just let the other people that are interested do it. :P ;D
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My thought is this, HMAN is trying look for faults in the quick loc or make ones that are not there because he may or may not have come up with the quick loc idea but someone else took advantage and he has a grudge that he can't let go, hence the digs here and there.
From Herman we get melted bits of plastic and tape to bodge things together that are not needed and from someone like Steve from exceed we get water saving devices and attempts at designing new fittings.
All I can say is thank God for British engineering ;D
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My thought is this, HMAN is trying look for faults in the quick loc or make ones that are not there because he may or may not have come up with the quick loc idea but someone else took advantage and he has a grudge that he can't let go, hence the digs here and there.
From Herman we get melted bits of plastic and tape to bodge things together that are not needed and from someone like Steve from exceed we get water saving devices and attempts at designing new fittings.
All I can say is thank God for British engineering ;D
As you already know that the QL idea came from myself.
Both Manufacture had seen this video done 7/7/2012 below.
And grateful that at least some manufacture took the idea on.
However there were a few things they missed that needed tweaking.
As try to point out to them but to no avail.
So just do one or another if you like so to make it easier to use.
2 minute mod.
https://youtu.be/nlPHgm03MVc
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Its a bit of moulded plastic, thats been around on the open market for 6 years.
A piece of moulded plastic, thats all. Lets think about this.
HMAN, get over yourself. Its a bit of moulded plastic, not rocket science, not precision engineering, not brain, heart or bunion surgery.
No-one’s interested. You offer nothing new, nothing of any use and nothing that most of us have any reasonable use for.
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Its a bit of moulded plastic, thats been around on the open market for 6 years.
A piece of moulded plastic, thats all. Lets think about this.
HMAN, get over yourself. Its a bit of moulded plastic, not rocket science, not precision engineering, not brain, heart or bunion surgery.
No-one’s interested. You offer nothing new, nothing of any use and nothing that most of us have any reasonable use for.
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Yes your right if it was that simple why didn't you think of it. ??? :o ::)roll
And the actual shape/concepte of this been used by millions of people.
Just different application.
And you still buy them??
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I see it more clearly now,
Well done Herman for inventing quick loc (weilloc) bad luck for not getting a watertight patent
I see now why you continually bring up this idea, if you can get a tide of users to demand gardiners put in this notch or slightly angle the square outside they will infringe more on your design where you can then sue them
Am I correct?
As before I await your answers - as yet they never come
Darran
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I see it more clearly now,
Well done Herman for inventing quick loc (weilloc)( bad luck for not getting a watertight patent)
I see now why you continually bring up this idea, if you can get a tide of users to demand gardiners put in this notch or slightly angle the square outside they will infringe more on your design where you can then sue them
Am I correct?
As before I await your answers - as yet they never come
Darran
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Bad luck for not getting a watertight patent
As said earlier this idea came from another use.
And adapted to QL for pole and /or any other tools where you like to change your tool out quickly.
So no way it could of been patented.
Regarding the notch or just an slight bevel on QL it there to make it easier to put the QL on.
Doing these easy small modifications not to make Alex do anything would of been nice.
And would not infringing on anything if the put it on.
But understand just to put that on would be a big cost to do anyway.
At the end of the day all anyone has to do is put a small notch or angle on the edge of the QL JOB DONE!!
Another thing doing this ONLY TO HELP PEOPLE TO DO THERE WORK EASIER.
And no do not get any $$$ gain for another one or anything.
So hope this answer you question???
This is what Alex seen to make him want to make the QL that was July 2012.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1565226863_ORIGNAL QUICK LOCK.jpg)
Here is another version did before the top one. Take note of the push release button.
https://youtu.be/ZQLkQTlRM-o
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1565229300_ORIGNAL QUICK LOCK. 2.jpg)
And did this one to accommodate normal squeegee scrubber handle also with the quick release button on it.
Which another manufacture pick up on can you guess which one it was???
https://youtu.be/pYC53TYeiDk
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1565229814_ORIGNAL QUICK LOCK. 3.jpg)
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Heath Robinson squeegie company ltd.?
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other than the lead in angle so the pin depresses easier (although I've never had a problem with the way it currently works)
everything else you show is 5 years out of date - why not just stick to a clear and straightforward post showing the lead in and how you do it (file) and leave it at that and drop all the other stuff
best regards
darran
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My thought is this, HMAN is trying look for faults in the quick loc or make ones that are not there because he may or may not have come up with the quick loc idea but someone else took advantage and he has a grudge that he can't let go, hence the digs here and there.
From Herman we get melted bits of plastic and tape to bodge things together that are not needed and from someone like Steve from exceed we get water saving devices and attempts at designing new fittings.
All I can say is thank God for British engineering ;D
Relating to the LQ has nothing to do with engineering but to adapt something that already out there for another prepose.
As we have done and of cause but when you put videos up showing this it is a free for all people are going to have manufactures copy/duplicate with there own spin on it.
But it appears that you think or believe I have nothing to do with it at all.
But did they engineer how to actually put on angle adapter also put male QL on any angle adapter so any one can use the QL without have to get the whole angle adapter.
All this and more without giving any credit to the person that actually developed it.
And manufacture has continually used ideas have put on Youtube.
Picture says it all it is a direct copy of this.
He even said as much can show you a screen shot saying so.
Or why don't you ask him yourself.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1565300243_ORIGNAL QUICK LOCK.jpg)
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What are you rambling about ?
no body gives a t@$$ what may have been shown on you tube 7 years ago - only you - what do you want your name moulded onto every quickloc ??
currently Gardiners produce and sell quick loc - after initial problems with sticking the tolerances were altered and now they fit just fine - they even replace any old ones that cause a problem
you've done a slight mod so it can slide on easier - very well done - you've started a thread shown the mod - job done - move on - perhaps even contribute to other threads
Darran
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Do they not have care in the community in Australia then?
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I think Herman is just a bitter man - its really eaten into his soul that his name isn't on every quick loc in the world - you can see that by the end of his videos
Produced by Herman
Sound by Herman
Photography by Herman
Directed by Herman
Location by Herman
Makeup by Herman
Costumes by Herman
Quick Loc by Herman
Darran
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Know most people think/believe have nothing to do with the QL and just whining.
The fact is it is a copy/duplicate of the picture below.
Giving no credit or recognition in any way but making out that they where by adding there own name to it.
So see he has no interest in replying via E-Mail
And here's thread from another forum WCR Window Clean Resource when he realised it was a good idea. https://windowcleaner.com/community/t/new-screw-in-quick-release-connection/18964
It said it all.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1565303022_ORIGNAL QUICK LOCK.jpg)
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It says it all, as you say yourself; in that you say in that thread that Alex can do what he wants with the adaptor; and that you’re not interested.
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so you are bitter then !
Products/ideas get plagiarised all the time
I have angle adaptors I brought before gardeners sold them with no name - all the Gardiner ones I buy now have been branded -I take this as a sign of quality as they have never broken, snapped or worn out - its like a kite mark (British standards)
Produce your own and get Herman moulded into it - I don't see why you should use this forum to vent your personal problems with other companies - if they don't answer your emails well unfortunately that's life - look through history at inventors that just failed to get recognition/success they deserved
Darran
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Darran
Do they not have care in the community in Australia then?
You want your question answered.
Try to do this then you whin about it . :o :P : ::)roll
You both remind me of a circus . ;D
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3 pages long now, seriously ::)roll ::)roll
A steam train can't go forward without the fuel guy's.
(yep, referencing dated locomotives was intentional)
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3 pages long now, seriously ::)roll ::)roll
A steam train can't go forward without the fuel guy's.
(yep, referencing dated locomotives was intentional)
Yes might be best to move on .
Would like to here our latest idea low profile pole lifting device. :o :o ;D ;D
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Darran
Do they not have care in the community in Australia then?
You want your question answered.
Try to do this then you whin about it . :o :P : ::)roll
You both remind me of a circus . ;D
still waiting for an answer - thats a conversation - do you want your name moulded into quick loq's ?
no whining here - unlike yourself
NK - maybe 3 pages long but its finally bearing fruit as to why Herman keeps dragging up very old solutions to something thats worked perfectly well for years and like you say repeatedly if you don't like it dont read it ;)
I for one am fasinated by why Herman holds a grudge, but avoids every chance to answer straightforward questions
Darran
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It's not hard to see why he holds a grudge and your pushing for answers that he aint gonna say.
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I think you'll find it's night time in Australia.
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I can see why - but be a man about it and just say it, get it off your chest - move on
I truly feel pity for Herman - but as seen in the posts of 2012 he just let the idea go, now its worked he has to drag it all up - that time has gone
SO in essence - is he just after his name stamped on the parts for self gratification or is it money ?
I've asked several questions - all ignored as Herman knows in his head he is wrong but his heart can't let go of the past
We initiated Rob to develope cleaner planner we organised it, we got him to write it we promoted it - we had a chance to buy and own it - we didn't - do I EVER mention it - NO - its history end of
Darran
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I don’t know what H man expects! If you are going to post your ideas all over the internet and it’s a good idea, then someone with any brains , business sense and money is going to take that idea and make money out of it. No point holding a grudge for the next 7 years when you’ve handed it over on a plate. I certainly wouldn’t stamp someone else’s name on it or give them money 🙄😂
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Bit like the guttervac. Stick a pipe in a vacuum cleaner and claim you have the patent . Pretty sure nobody went to court on that one. ;D
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Took me ages to find this thread!
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=194932.msg1692623#msg1692623
Makes for an interesting read.
I vote to ban H man ;D
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Took me ages to find this thread!
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=194932.msg1692623#msg1692623
Makes for an interesting read.
I vote to ban H man ;D
Why would you want to do that??
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Anyway as said leave at that know not to do that again LOL.
But have many other things ideas relating to make window cleaning easier.
Example: Attachable tool caddy onto Buck on a Belt.
Pole lifter size only 10 inch long x 2inch wide with one moving part.
There are many others too.
But not going to make the same mistake again.
So if you know any manufactures that might be interested just let them know we may be able to come to some sort of agreement.
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Anyway as said leave at that know not to do that again LOL.
But have many other things ideas relating to make window cleaning easier.
Example: Attachable tool caddy onto Buck on a Belt.
Pole lifter size only 10 inch long x 2inch wide with one moving part.
There are many others too.
But not going to make the same mistake again.
So if you know any manufactures that might be interested just let them know we may be able to come to some sort of agreement.
The person that posted this is bladdered.
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So basically H Man is just bitter it seems ???