Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ralphie on May 19, 2019, 06:02:13 pm
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So as a newbie who is yet to start trading but taking time to look into the business as much as possible from vans and van setups canvassing and pricing.
Not one to worry about working in all kinds of weather as I am an outdoors person I was wondering what the general consensus was on hot water WFP advantages over cold if any and also best hot water system to add to van setup.
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I’ve messed about for years with immersions, lpg tanks etc.
Last September I upgraded to a Grippatank Hydro heat.
I would never be without it now. I use all day every day, and im really seeing the advantages now. Glass and frames are definitely cleaner than when I was using cold. It’s taken about 6 months to see this, but I think 4- 6 cleans with hot water and you really see the windows getting cleaner, especially the pvc.
Do you need it?
No.
If you’ve got a spare few thousand then I’d say do it.
I worked for years with cold, but the last few months I’ve had my best months of business by a long shot and I attribute that partly to the hot water.
To be honest though, I wouldn’t get one right away. Concentrate on getting your round built up first.
Grippatank can get you a cold set up, and then bolt the heater on at a later date.
That’s what I’d go for personally.
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I’ve messed about for years with immersions, lpg tanks etc.
Last September I upgraded to a Grippatank Hydro heat.
I would never be without it now. I use all day every day, and im really seeing the advantages now. Glass and frames are definitely cleaner than when I was using cold. It’s taken about 6 months to see this, but I think 4- 6 cleans with hot water and you really see the windows getting cleaner, especially the pvc.
Do you need it?
No.
If you’ve got a spare few thousand then I’d say do it.
I worked for years with cold, but the last few months I’ve had my best months of business by a long shot and I attribute that partly to the hot water.
To be honest though, I wouldn’t get one right away. Concentrate on getting your round built up first.
Grippatank can get you a cold set up, and then bolt the heater on at a later date.
That’s what I’d go for personally.
.....how are the windows and frames cleaner with hot water?
There’s not an ounce of dirt left on the windows after iv cleaned mine with cold so I honestly can’t understand this statement Jonny 🤔
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we have only missed 4 days in the last five years to being to cold ( only then that was due to bad weather - beast from the east )
we are in east anglia - so generally milder than up north
i've provided hot water via immersion heaters and the guys like the softer hoses it provides but in general they are happy to run cold all year round
The biggest thing for you as a new starter is to ask this question on ANY piece of equipment - is it something I need or just something I want
to me £4.5K and the ongoing running costs do not justify the comfort of supple hoses and a tiny (if noticeable) increase in cleaning times
Darran
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I’ve messed about for years with immersions, lpg tanks etc.
Last September I upgraded to a Grippatank Hydro heat.
I would never be without it now. I use all day every day, and im really seeing the advantages now. Glass and frames are definitely cleaner than when I was using cold. It’s taken about 6 months to see this, but I think 4- 6 cleans with hot water and you really see the windows getting cleaner, especially the pvc.
Do you need it?
No.
If you’ve got a spare few thousand then I’d say do it.
I worked for years with cold, but the last few months I’ve had my best months of business by a long shot and I attribute that partly to the hot water.
To be honest though, I wouldn’t get one right away. Concentrate on getting your round built up first.
Grippatank can get you a cold set up, and then bolt the heater on at a later date.
That’s what I’d go for personally.
.....how are the windows and frames cleaner with hot water?
There’s not an ounce of dirt left on the windows after iv cleaned mine with cold so I honestly can’t understand this statement Jonny 🤔
placebo effect ;D
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It’s true , there is definitely a marked improvement in cleaning , I used to use propane L5 over the cold spells only so never saw the long term effects it had , but since building my own diesel heater I have kept it going full time and since January it has made a world of difference.
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It a no placebo before anyone mentions it 😆🤣🤣
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I’ve messed about for years with immersions, lpg tanks etc.
Last September I upgraded to a Grippatank Hydro heat.
I would never be without it now. I use all day every day, and im really seeing the advantages now. Glass and frames are definitely cleaner than when I was using cold. It’s taken about 6 months to see this, but I think 4- 6 cleans with hot water and you really see the windows getting cleaner, especially the pvc.
Do you need it?
No.
If you’ve got a spare few thousand then I’d say do it.
I worked for years with cold, but the last few months I’ve had my best months of business by a long shot and I attribute that partly to the hot water.
To be honest though, I wouldn’t get one right away. Concentrate on getting your round built up first.
Grippatank can get you a cold set up, and then bolt the heater on at a later date.
That’s what I’d go for personally.
.....how are the windows and frames cleaner with hot water?
There’s not an ounce of dirt left on the windows after iv cleaned mine with cold so I honestly can’t understand this statement Jonny 🤔
He said the same about Vision, I think that says it all.
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I think Dry clean is a Watford supporter ;D
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There's a lot of wibble on here about hot but you find it tends to be from the same faff types who fall for every gimmick or snake oil that comes onto the market.
There will be some who work on the coast or in wooded areas that might find it a benefit but for most it wont make the slightest difference in either the clean quality or speed, put it this way if you ever lose a customer to somebody using hot it will be down to your incompetence and nothing more.
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Hot water has some small advantages, but you won’t be cleaning more windows in a day because of it.
It’s an unnecessary luxury.
I’ve gone back to cold, and haven’t noticed any difference what so ever to my cleaning. I’m just quids in as cold is cheaper!
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I’ve messed about for years with immersions, lpg tanks etc.
Last September I upgraded to a Grippatank Hydro heat.
I would never be without it now. I use all day every day, and im really seeing the advantages now. Glass and frames are definitely cleaner than when I was using cold. It’s taken about 6 months to see this, but I think 4- 6 cleans with hot water and you really see the windows getting cleaner, especially the pvc.
Do you need it?
No.
If you’ve got a spare few thousand then I’d say do it.
I worked for years with cold, but the last few months I’ve had my best months of business by a long shot and I attribute that partly to the hot water.
To be honest though, I wouldn’t get one right away. Concentrate on getting your round built up first.
Grippatank can get you a cold set up, and then bolt the heater on at a later date.
That’s what I’d go for personally.
I’m sorry Jonny but can you explain how hot water produced by a diesel heater can get the glass cleaner than hot water produced by an immersion heater? I have used both and in my experience both give the same results.
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I think Dry clean is a Watford supporter ;D
nothing wrong with that
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Has any one had much experience with portable propane water heaters, hopefully just positive.
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Has any one had much experience with portable propane water heaters, hopefully just positive.
There might be a good reason why nobody has suggested this as an option..........
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Lpg all day everyday for me, £10 a week to run, cheap to fit
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I’ve messed about for years with immersions, lpg tanks etc.
Last September I upgraded to a Grippatank Hydro heat.
I would never be without it now. I use all day every day, and im really seeing the advantages now. Glass and frames are definitely cleaner than when I was using cold. It’s taken about 6 months to see this, but I think 4- 6 cleans with hot water and you really see the windows getting cleaner, especially the pvc.
Do you need it?
No.
If you’ve got a spare few thousand then I’d say do it.
I worked for years with cold, but the last few months I’ve had my best months of business by a long shot and I attribute that partly to the hot water.
To be honest though, I wouldn’t get one right away. Concentrate on getting your round built up first.
Grippatank can get you a cold set up, and then bolt the heater on at a later date.
That’s what I’d go for personally.
I’m sorry Jonny but can you explain how hot water produced by a diesel heater can get the glass cleaner than hot water produced by an immersion heater? I have used both and in my experience both give the same results.
Its simple, the more money you spend heating the water the better it becomes at cleaning, that's a scientific fact. lol
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I’ve messed about for years with immersions, lpg tanks etc.
Last September I upgraded to a Grippatank Hydro heat.
I would never be without it now. I use all day every day, and im really seeing the advantages now. Glass and frames are definitely cleaner than when I was using cold. It’s taken about 6 months to see this, but I think 4- 6 cleans with hot water and you really see the windows getting cleaner, especially the pvc.
Do you need it?
No.
If you’ve got a spare few thousand then I’d say do it.
I worked for years with cold, but the last few months I’ve had my best months of business by a long shot and I attribute that partly to the hot water.
To be honest though, I wouldn’t get one right away. Concentrate on getting your round built up first.
Grippatank can get you a cold set up, and then bolt the heater on at a later date.
That’s what I’d go for personally.
I’m sorry Jonny but can you explain how hot water produced by a diesel heater can get the glass cleaner than hot water produced by an immersion heater? I have used both and in my experience both give the same results.
Its simple, the more money you spend heating the water the better it becomes at cleaning, that's a scientific fact. lol
hmmm, I think your right - at a certain temperature it will burn concrete off the glass ;D
Darran
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I think it all just comes down to experience.
if it’s placebo that’s making me get through more work and having my best months ever then I’ll
Take it. I really don’t think it is though.
I know this because the first 2-4 months of me using hot water I was actually slower.
It was actually giving me issues in a few cases, run marks and drip downs that I never had before. I put this down to hot water cleaning deeper into the frames and getting dirt out that I previously wasn’t touching.
Now I’m over 6 months in with hot water (hotter than I ever could get with an immersion) certain windows in particular are noticeably cleaner on my visits.
Windows in rural areas are no where near as greasy with tree sap as they used to be,
Certain annoying Pvc frames with gaps that always trapped dirt and had algae growth every month now have considerably less on them.
Have you used HOT water for Atleast 6 months consecutively? And by hot, I mean Atleast 40 degrees on the glass?
If you havent then I can see how you’d think I’m making it up. Go by your own experience though and not what others “think”.
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I think it all just comes down to experience.
if it’s placebo that’s making me get through more work and having my best months ever then I’ll
Take it. I really don’t think it is though.
I know this because the first 2-4 months of me using hot water I was actually slower.
It was actually giving me issues in a few cases, run marks and drip downs that I never had before. I put this down to hot water cleaning deeper into the frames and getting dirt out that I previously wasn’t touching.
Now I’m over 6 months in with hot water (hotter than I ever could get with an immersion) certain windows in particular are noticeably cleaner on my visits.
Windows in rural areas are no where near as greasy with tree sap as they used to be,
Certain annoying Pvc frames with gaps that always trapped dirt and had algae growth every month now have considerably less on them.
Have you used HOT water for Atleast 6 months consecutively? And by hot, I mean Atleast 40 degrees on the glass?
If you havent then I can see how you’d think I’m making it up. Go by your own experience though and not what others “think”.
Dig back through through Jonny's posts and you will find the exact same results with Vision that he's now getting with hot, we even got the you need to be using it for a certain amount of time to see the true results wibble, its like these guys have a hole that can never be filled.
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There’s two categories of people.......
Some who strive to improve and do better, and some who don’t like change, and try to bring others down to their level.
Thankfully the world isn’t filled with the latter.
One Sean/Dry Clean is enough.
;)
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Our other concrete melter must be in Mexico, if not he would be telling us how good it is isn't is isn't is. lol
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There’s two categories of people.......
Some who strive to improve and do better, and some who don’t like change, and try to bring others down to their level.
Thankfully the world isn’t filled with the latter.
One Sean/Dry Clean is enough.
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There's nothing wrong with striving to improve and do better as long as you take a sensible approach to it, you finding the same results with hot as you got with Vision tells us that you want to see what you want to see and have no interest in finding out if its real or not, put it this way if Vision had or was doing what you said you wouldn't need hot.
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I've been using hot water for a while now, using an immersion and different running times of it being on.
What are my findings? I hear you ask 🤔🤔😂
Hot water is great and does indeed clean better. On first cleans especially, it makes light work of all the grime. The same on gutter/fascia/soffit cleans and even conservatory roof cleans. There's no need for added detergents on these types of jobs, so less rinsing time required etc. Therefore these types of jobs become really easy to do.
What about maintenance cleans.? This would depend which areas you clean in. For instance, on the coastal regions, I would say it's ideal and you will certainly feel the benefits on every clean. The same would be true where there are lots of trees!
Tree sap, spider poo and the likes come of really easy with hot compared to cold.
However, all my work is mostly 4wkly and you turn up and the dirtiest thing to clean is a dusty window sill! Obviously hot water doesn't matter in these cases and this is about 60 - 70% the case with my work. I currently choose to use hot water week in, week out, why?
The hose is certainly easier to work with and this makes for a more pleasant working day experience. For the odd stubborn bird poo marks, it makes life easier and for the new jobs I pick up (first cleans) as I would rather have hot than not on these jobs. There has been times when I have forgotten to turn the immersion on and I have hated it!
Now you can manage with cold and the vast majority do, do so! However hot does make it easier in so many ways
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Our other concrete melter must be in Mexico, if not he would be telling us how good it is isn't is isn't is. lol
nope...not yet....another few weeks to go before im heading off into crocodile country...... ;D
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So as a newbie who is yet to start trading but taking time to look into the business as much as possible from vans and van setups canvassing and pricing.
Not one to worry about working in all kinds of weather as I am an outdoors person I was wondering what the general consensus was on hot water WFP advantages over cold if any and also best hot water system to add to van setup.
ive worked with both hot and cold water over the years and i prefer using hot all year round every day....in fact working with very hot water in the hot summer months is the most beneficial for extra cleaning power on longer frequency cleans,first cleans,add ons and jobs near farmers fields and large trees....in winter its just nicer to work with,warm supple hoses and generally easier to clean your work....
you can just use cold pure water,hot water is a luxury but its the icing on the cake for cleaning ONCE you have a decent round and income.....
dont run before you can walk,you cant afford it....concentrate on building up your round and using basic equipment,if you want to upgrade to better equipment,hot water systems,etc you can do that at a later date when funds allow and your established.
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I've been using hot water for a while now, using an immersion and different running times of it being on.
What are my findings? I hear you ask 🤔🤔😂
Hot water is great and does indeed clean better. On first cleans especially, it makes light work of all the grime. The same on gutter/fascia/soffit cleans and even conservatory roof cleans. There's no need for added detergents on these types of jobs, so less rinsing time required etc. Therefore these types of jobs become really easy to do.
What about maintenance cleans.? This would depend which areas you clean in. For instance, on the coastal regions, I would say it's ideal and you will certainly feel the benefits on every clean. The same would be true where there are lots of trees!
Tree sap, spider poo and the likes come of really easy with hot compared to cold.
However, all my work is mostly 4wkly and you turn up and the dirtiest thing to clean is a dusty window sill! Obviously hot water doesn't matter in these cases and this is about 60 - 70% the case with my work. I currently choose to use hot water week in, week out, why?
The hose is certainly easier to work with and this makes for a more pleasant working day experience. For the odd stubborn bird poo marks, it makes life easier and for the new jobs I pick up (first cleans) as I would rather have hot than not on these jobs. There has been times when I have forgotten to turn the immersion on and I have hated it!
Now you can manage with cold and the vast majority do, do so! However hot does make it easier in so many ways
So you’ve got the odd dusty window sill and you need hot water to make it easier 🙄 ffs 😂😂
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After his system went bang Dazmond spent 6 months on here telling us why hot water didn't make the slightest difference, he was also another Vision user who got the same results with it as he does with hot, like I said theres a type that recommend hot. lol
By the way theres one more to come, a parts per billion user called NWH.
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I've been using hot water for a while now, using an immersion and different running times of it being on.
What are my findings? I hear you ask 🤔🤔😂
Hot water is great and does indeed clean better. On first cleans especially, it makes light work of all the grime. The same on gutter/fascia/soffit cleans and even conservatory roof cleans. There's no need for added detergents on these types of jobs, so less rinsing time required etc. Therefore these types of jobs become really easy to do.
What about maintenance cleans.? This would depend which areas you clean in. For instance, on the coastal regions, I would say it's ideal and you will certainly feel the benefits on every clean. The same would be true where there are lots of trees!
Tree sap, spider poo and the likes come of really easy with hot compared to cold.
However, all my work is mostly 4wkly and you turn up and the dirtiest thing to clean is a dusty window sill! Obviously hot water doesn't matter in these cases and this is about 60 - 70% the case with my work. I currently choose to use hot water week in, week out, why?
The hose is certainly easier to work with and this makes for a more pleasant working day experience. For the odd stubborn bird poo marks, it makes life easier and for the new jobs I pick up (first cleans) as I would rather have hot than not on these jobs. There has been times when I have forgotten to turn the immersion on and I have hated it!
Now you can manage with cold and the vast majority do, do so! However hot does make it easier in so many ways
So you’ve got the odd dusty window sill and you need hot water to make it easier 🙄 ffs 😂😂
After bragging about knocking out 35 detached properties with conservatories a day using cold he needed to find something to justify his need for hot, a dusty window sill is a funny excuse though. lol
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I've been using hot water for a while now, using an immersion and different running times of it being on.
What are my findings? I hear you ask 🤔🤔😂
Hot water is great and does indeed clean better. On first cleans especially, it makes light work of all the grime. The same on gutter/fascia/soffit cleans and even conservatory roof cleans. There's no need for added detergents on these types of jobs, so less rinsing time required etc. Therefore these types of jobs become really easy to do.
What about maintenance cleans.? This would depend which areas you clean in. For instance, on the coastal regions, I would say it's ideal and you will certainly feel the benefits on every clean. The same would be true where there are lots of trees!
Tree sap, spider poo and the likes come of really easy with hot compared to cold.
However, all my work is mostly 4wkly and you turn up and the dirtiest thing to clean is a dusty window sill! Obviously hot water doesn't matter in these cases and this is about 60 - 70% the case with my work. I currently choose to use hot water week in, week out, why?
The hose is certainly easier to work with and this makes for a more pleasant working day experience. For the odd stubborn bird poo marks, it makes life easier and for the new jobs I pick up (first cleans) as I would rather have hot than not on these jobs. There has been times when I have forgotten to turn the immersion on and I have hated it!
Now you can manage with cold and the vast majority do, do so! However hot does make it easier in so many ways
So you’ve got the odd dusty window sill and you need hot water to make it easier 🙄 ffs 😂😂
Thats what you took from all of that. Think u need to get to work rather than reading posts which don't interest you.
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If you're starting out just stick to cold as you will have plenty of time to clean a few houses while growing your round. Maybe after you have a busy round you can upgrade to hot.
I spent 10 years on cold and the last two on hot. I won't go back now. Hot and cold both clean well so no need to worry. Hot cleans better because it speeds up the process. Cold takes a little longer but will provide the same results.
The hot will break down solid dirt much quicker. You notice it works faster on first cleans or commercial jobs that have long frequency. Green moss build up on frames come off much faster. Gutters and soffit hot cleans in half the time for me. General maintance cleans are really no different providing there is no solid hard
bird mess to slow your scrubbing down.
So it's up to each and everyone what they opt for as the methods will have the same end result. It's just a luxury to be honest and helps me get the job done quicker.
These are my personal opinions which are founded by my own experiences having used both hot and cold.
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A sensible post at last !!
well done jester!
Spring is here I think NHW is busy now playing bowls
Darran
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So, in a nut shell, so to speak
Cold waters users, say hot water makes no difference.
Hot water uses, say it does and have invested a lot of money into a grippa hot system or perhaps the cheaper immersion route. Yet a lot of hot water uses will foot the running cost of doing so, even after the winter/colder months.
Cold water uses will say its the placebo effect and hot water uses are convinced its not that at all.
Does that help any 😂
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A sensible post at last !!
well done jester!
Spring is here I think NHW is busy now playing bowls
Darran
Agreed, problem is you cant poke fun at sensible, I want concrete melting, dusty window sills, upvc restoration and dirty dishes on that list. lol
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I have an immersion self fitted. I use it in winter primarily for supple hoses that don't kink and slow me down at 25/30 degrees in the tank.
Occasionally if I have a big first clean I will get a tank full hotter. 50 degrees.
Rarely if doing a gutter/building clean I use hot water from my outside tap to fill the tank and finish the windows with pure from a couple of barrels and a backpack.
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I think it all just comes down to experience.
if it’s placebo that’s making me get through more work and having my best months ever then I’ll
Take it. I really don’t think it is though.
I know this because the first 2-4 months of me using hot water I was actually slower.
It was actually giving me issues in a few cases, run marks and drip downs that I never had before. I put this down to hot water cleaning deeper into the frames and getting dirt out that I previously wasn’t touching.
Now I’m over 6 months in with hot water (hotter than I ever could get with an immersion) certain windows in particular are noticeably cleaner on my visits.
Windows in rural areas are no where near as greasy with tree sap as they used to be,
Certain annoying Pvc frames with gaps that always trapped dirt and had algae growth every month now have considerably less on them.
Have you used HOT water for Atleast 6 months consecutively? And by hot, I mean Atleast 40 degrees on the glass?
If you havent then I can see how you’d think I’m making it up. Go by your own experience though and not what others “think”.
Dig back through through Jonny's posts and you will find the exact same results with Vision that he's now getting with hot, we even got the you need to be using it for a certain amount of time to see the true results wibble, its like these guys have a hole that can never be filled.
Are you speaking from experience?
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I think it all just comes down to experience.
if it’s placebo that’s making me get through more work and having my best months ever then I’ll
Take it. I really don’t think it is though.
I know this because the first 2-4 months of me using hot water I was actually slower.
It was actually giving me issues in a few cases, run marks and drip downs that I never had before. I put this down to hot water cleaning deeper into the frames and getting dirt out that I previously wasn’t touching.
Now I’m over 6 months in with hot water (hotter than I ever could get with an immersion) certain windows in particular are noticeably cleaner on my visits.
Windows in rural areas are no where near as greasy with tree sap as they used to be,
Certain annoying Pvc frames with gaps that always trapped dirt and had algae growth every month now have considerably less on them.
Have you used HOT water for Atleast 6 months consecutively? And by hot, I mean Atleast 40 degrees on the glass?
If you havent then I can see how you’d think I’m making it up. Go by your own experience though and not what others “think”.
Dig back through through Jonny's posts and you will find the exact same results with Vision that he's now getting with hot, we even got the you need to be using it for a certain amount of time to see the true results wibble, its like these guys have a hole that can never be filled.
Now I’m using additives and hot water.
Perfect combo.
I’d like to dig back through some of your old posts but I’d have to got through about ten different usernames.
Keep up the good work, you’ve obviously got plenty time on your hands.
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So as a newbie who is yet to start trading but taking time to look into the business as much as possible from vans and van setups canvassing and pricing.
Not one to worry about working in all kinds of weather as I am an outdoors person I was wondering what the general consensus was on hot water WFP advantages over cold if any and also best hot water system to add to van setup.
Ralphie - go and get some customers first then worry about hot or cold. If you’ve not even started yet then no point spending loads of money to find out you don’t like the job.
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I would like to use hot , but cant make the figures work. yes faster cleaning, but more expense , running costs and maintenance .
common sense tells me it has to make cleaning better.
I have been adding added sparkle for a while and initially before using I thought it would be snake oil... however it does help with bird poo and snail trails.
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I would like to use hot , but cant make the figures work. yes faster cleaning, but more expense , running costs and maintenance .
common sense tells me it has to make cleaning better.
I have been adding added sparkle for a while and initially before using I thought it would be snake oil... however it does help with bird poo and snail trails.
James at one time I would have been the slowest shiner on here simply because I hadn't the confidence to stop over cleaning over rinsing and so on, not joking now the only way I could go quicker would be to miss parts of the glass, hot, rinse bars, snake oils, parts per billion water they are all nothing more than confidence boosters.
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So as a newbie who is yet to start trading but taking time to look into the business as much as possible from vans and van setups canvassing and pricing.
Not one to worry about working in all kinds of weather as I am an outdoors person I was wondering what the general consensus was on hot water WFP advantages over cold if any and also best hot water system to add to van setup.
Ralphie - go and get some customers first then worry about hot or cold. If you’ve not even started yet then no point spending loads of money to find out you don’t like the job.
Shrek - Fortunate to be purchasing a good round off a retiring friend so working in my spare time to assist and get up to speed.
He is retiring, so old!!! also old school so once taking over will be starting with his customers but all new gear (just lucky to be able to afford at the moment before wife spends it) and so have the time to investigate all avenues so that all purchases made are with best advise hence the post.
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Lol I know you've all missed my very amateurish videos, so here's one to satisfy that hunger ;D :D
A quick, test clean of some filthy gutters with nothing more than a good brush and hot water.
Vids not great, as the sun is blazing down, its one handed etc but it's not about critiquing the quality of the vid, but to show how just hot water alone is good for cleaning caked on dirt.
https://youtu.be/8PJV1-Z-Wng
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Yeah playing more bowls at the moment than working full on 6 weeks every night trying qualify for nationals,HOT WATER is better it’s not comparable with a tank of water with vision in it.
All systems should be sold as hot imo cold water is for the pikey boys 😂.
I don’t need to prove to others it’s a better way of working I see it everyday when I work with it,I’ve knocked hours off of the same cladding and plastic wash downs I’ve done in the past with water less hot-cold.
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Lol I know you've all missed my very amateurish videos, so here's one to satisfy that hunger ;D :D
A quick, test clean of some filthy gutters with nothing more than a good brush and hot water.
Vids not great, as the sun is blazing down, its one handed etc but it's not about critiquing the quality of the vid, but to show how just hot water alone is good for cleaning caked on dirt.
https://youtu.be/8PJV1-Z-Wng
So you genuinely think that is quick, seriously if possible connect to the customer tap and you will speed that clean up no end.
Plus use an extreme stiff for gutters like that, its a lot handier.
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Lol I know you've all missed my very amateurish videos, so here's one to satisfy that hunger ;D :D
A quick, test clean of some filthy gutters with nothing more than a good brush and hot water.
Vids not great, as the sun is blazing down, its one handed etc but it's not about critiquing the quality of the vid, but to show how just hot water alone is good for cleaning caked on dirt.
https://youtu.be/8PJV1-Z-Wng
So you genuinely think that is quick, seriously if possible connect to the customer tap and you will speed that clean up no end.
Plus use an extreme stiff for gutters like that, its a lot handier.
Mate, it's done with one hand, whilst trying to film n focus,,,,,, hence its a amateur video lol.
Obviously with two hands and someone else filming you'll see how much quicker it is.
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Lol I know you've all missed my very amateurish videos, so here's one to satisfy that hunger ;D :D
A quick, test clean of some filthy gutters with nothing more than a good brush and hot water.
Vids not great, as the sun is blazing down, its one handed etc but it's not about critiquing the quality of the vid, but to show how just hot water alone is good for cleaning caked on dirt.
https://youtu.be/8PJV1-Z-Wng
So you genuinely think that is quick, seriously if possible connect to the customer tap and you will speed that clean up no end.
Plus use an extreme stiff for gutters like that, its a lot handier.
Mate, it's done with one hand, whilst trying to film n focus,,,,,, hence its a amateur video lol.
Obviously with two hands and someone else filming you'll see how much quicker it is.
Fair enough but if you're going to make video showing that hot is quicker/better do you not think you would also need to clean part of it with cold to show the difference, better still connect to the customers tap and show how it cleans as well, without doing this your video proves nothing and is a pointless exercise.
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It's taken on the basis that people know how long it takes with cold because currently that's what they will be using. Or perhaps with chemicals as well.
This did show however, the ease in which the grime came off.
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It's taken on the basis that people know how long it takes with cold because currently that's what they will be using. Or perhaps with chemicals as well.
This did show however, the ease in which the grime came off.
it looks to me that you emptied the gutters about 30 mins before shooting that video nathan,cold water would do the same job just as quick......
however if the gutters were bad with green algae all over them then very hot water eats through the algae a lot quicker than cold water.....
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Lol I know you've all missed my very amateurish videos, so here's one to satisfy that hunger ;D :D
A quick, test clean of some filthy gutters with nothing more than a good brush and hot water.
Vids not great, as the sun is blazing down, its one handed etc but it's not about critiquing the quality of the vid, but to show how just hot water alone is good for cleaning caked on dirt.
https://youtu.be/8PJV1-Z-Wng
So you genuinely think that is quick, seriously if possible connect to the customer tap and you will speed that clean up no end.
Plus use an extreme stiff for gutters like that, its a lot handier.
Mate, it's done with one hand, whilst trying to film n focus,,,,,, hence its a amateur video lol.
Obviously with two hands and someone else filming you'll see how much quicker it is.
Fair enough but if you're going to make video showing that hot is quicker/better do you not think you would also need to clean part of it with cold to show the difference, better still connect to the customers tap and show how it cleans as well, without doing this your video proves nothing and is a pointless exercise.
There's no doubt really that hot is quicker on really dirty surfaces. If you do doubt that, well you're not to be taken seriously really. The question is whether it's faster enough to make the investment. I remember cleaning a dirty conny roof, covered in algae. I couldn't understand why it was suddenly so much more difficult until I realised I'd ran out of diesel.
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It's taken on the basis that people know how long it takes with cold because currently that's what they will be using. Or perhaps with chemicals as well.
This did show however, the ease in which the grime came off.
it looks to me that you emptied the gutters about 30 mins before shooting that video nathan,cold water would do the same job just as quick......
however if the gutters were bad with green algae all over them then very hot water eats through the algae a lot quicker than cold water.....
No mate, it's a window customer's whose windows are done 8wkly and when I saw how bad the gutters was and with this topic in mind, I thought it was ideal just to clean a small section. Plus mention this to the customer as a test patch and enquire if they want them cleaning.
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It's taken on the basis that people know how long it takes with cold because currently that's what they will be using. Or perhaps with chemicals as well.
This did show however, the ease in which the grime came off.
it looks to me that you emptied the gutters about 30 mins before shooting that video nathan,cold water would do the same job just as quick......
however if the gutters were bad with green algae all over them then very hot water eats through the algae a lot quicker than cold water.....
No mate, it's a window customer's whose windows are done 8wkly and when I saw how bad the gutters was and with this topic in mind, I thought it was ideal just to clean a small section. Plus mention this to the customer as a test patch and enquire if they want them cleaning.
Did you get the job and do I get a cut as my topic was the catalyst to you doing the sample 😂
Just asking like 😁😎
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My, My - this always gets a bit 'heated' ;D
NK - the less said about your video's the better - but really, you need to show say 3 meters done with hot compared to 3 meters with cold - because quite crudely 'your pace' is not going to be the same as others - so please make it a like for like
I am of a mind that yes, Hot makes a difference - but not THAT much of a difference - certainly I would not be making more buy paying out 4.5K JUST to get hot
I mentioned placebo - because quite frankly if you buy a new brush you have find yourself cleaning quicker and this hey! this is the best thing since sliced bread, when its really just a change that makes you clean quicker..
I give you the case study of the factory where the light bulbs were changed for brighter ones - instantly the production rate increased - people were happier at work - all was good - six months later the production had slowed down - the light bulbs changed again this time to the original dimmer bulbs - guess what production increased !
Darran
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You wont get a like for like video because hot users (especially the expensive diesel users) don't want to see anything that might mean they have wasted their money, anybody can come on here and make any claim they want when they dont have to prove it.
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Its the same with the snake oil sellers, a like for like video would have worked wonders for their sales if there was actually something to see, problem is there isn't.
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You could also equally say that cold water users want to justify the fact that they can do just the same job in the same speed with cold.
Look at all the above posts, those with hot water say it's better, those without say you don’t need it.
Round and round in circles we go.
I’ll always have a hot water system for as long as I’m window cleaning now. It works for me, if cold works for you, then great.
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You could also equally say that cold water users want to justify the fact that they can do just the same job in the same speed with cold.
Look at all the above posts, those with hot water say it's better, those without say you don’t need it.
Round and round in circles we go.
I’ll always have a hot water system for as long as I’m window cleaning now. It works for me, if cold works for you, then great.
Oooh mr grumpy 🤪 - I’ve used hot - it’s more comfortable to use and at the end of the day makes the day easier and I could probably get an extra house clean in but 4.5k plus running costs is (IMO) a crazy business decision - for one man bands I see the attraction and that’s fair enough but it’s a luxury not a necessity
Darran
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You could also equally say that cold water users want to justify the fact that they can do just the same job in the same speed with cold.
Look at all the above posts, those with hot water say it's better, those without say you don’t need it.
Round and round in circles we go.
I’ll always have a hot water system for as long as I’m window cleaning now. It works for me, if cold works for you, then great.
Oooh mr grumpy 🤪 - I’ve used hot - it’s more comfortable to use and at the end of the day makes the day easier and I could probably get an extra house clean in but 4.5k plus running costs is (IMO) a crazy business decision - for one man bands I see the attraction and that’s fair enough but it’s a luxury not a necessity
Darran
I have an LPG heater in my van that I very rarely use as it makes absolutely no difference to what I have to remove from the glass, if I was getting a fair amount of stubborn bird poo or tree sap then it might save me some time but this wouldnt be the case, luxury for me means not wasting money on stuff that has to be paid for by cleaning more glass.
I think for most on here its more of a status symbol than something of any real use.
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ive had a fellow window cleaner on the phone today moaning about spotting on the windows,he uses cold too...hasnt got a pot to p*** in and has been window cleaning for many years......... ::)roll
my water has been at 60c at brush end even with 100m out today!lovely......i had a first clean to do first thing,ive got another one to do tomorrow(5 bedder),ive also had loads of glass with those little yellow spots,baked on bird muck,etc today which is a pain to remove with cold water,one pass with very hot water and it melts away....
i can understand guys that employ not spending money on a diesel heater,it would cost you a fortune to kit say 5-10 vans on the road but for the sole trader with a good well established round why not?mine was a 25 year anniversary present to myself.love it........ 8)
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this is the time of year when hot water makes the most difference as its virtually boiling hot at brush end and cuts through the dirt much easier than cold water systems....... :-*
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Think il buy one ;D
.....As soon as iv had the sills welded again on my tranny as it failed the MOT ::)roll :'(
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Think il buy one ;D
.....As soon as iv had the sills welded again on my tranny as it failed the MOT ::)roll :'(
we ve all been there mate.....even me!.....keep building your round fella....... :)
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You could also equally say that cold water users want to justify the fact that they can do just the same job in the same speed with cold.
Look at all the above posts, those with hot water say it's better, those without say you don’t need it.
Round and round in circles we go.
I’ll always have a hot water system for as long as I’m window cleaning now. It works for me, if cold works for you, then great.
Oooh mr grumpy 🤪 - I’ve used hot - it’s more comfortable to use and at the end of the day makes the day easier and I could probably get an extra house clean in but 4.5k plus running costs is (IMO) a crazy business decision - for one man bands I see the attraction and that’s fair enough but it’s a luxury not a necessity
Darran
It’s funny how things sound in text. ;D
I’m as happy as Larry. And seank. ;D
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You could also equally say that cold water users want to justify the fact that they can do just the same job in the same speed with cold.
Look at all the above posts, those with hot water say it's better, those without say you don’t need it.
Round and round in circles we go.
I’ll always have a hot water system for as long as I’m window cleaning now. It works for me, if cold works for you, then great.
Oooh mr grumpy 🤪 - I’ve used hot - it’s more comfortable to use and at the end of the day makes the day easier and I could probably get an extra house clean in but 4.5k plus running costs is (IMO) a crazy business decision - for one man bands I see the attraction and that’s fair enough but it’s a luxury not a necessity
Darran
It’s funny how things sound in text. ;D
I’m as happy as Larry. And seank. ;D
Have you tried these Jonny, what I'm I thinking off course you have. lol
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1558682967_snake_oil_DHNWXP.jpg)
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;D
No!
Unicorn dust is more effective as an additive I’d say.
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Think il buy one ;D
.....As soon as iv had the sills welded again on my tranny as it failed the MOT ::)roll :'(
Oh man, I can relate to that.
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Think il buy one ;D
.....As soon as iv had the sills welded again on my tranny as it failed the MOT ::)roll :'(
we ve all been there mate.....even me!.....keep building your round fella....... :)
You’ll be there again mate by the time your ready to pay your balloon fee.
;D
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I have used cold since day one but want hot for conny roofs, facias and commercial jobs. Can't justify £4k plus so do you think I should go immersion route or L5 boiler?
Cheers.
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I have used cold since day one but want hot for conny roofs, facias and commercial jobs. Can't justify £4k plus so do you think I should go immersion route or L5 boiler?
Cheers.
If you don't want to invest in a professional hot water heater for your business then I wouldn't bother.....lpg is too dangerous and comes with insurance issues.....immersion doesn't get the water hot enough to make a real difference to add ons and first cleans
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Think il buy one ;D
.....As soon as iv had the sills welded again on my tranny as it failed the MOT ::)roll :'(
we ve all been there mate.....even me!.....keep building your round fella....... :)
You’ll be there again mate by the time your ready to pay your balloon fee.
;D
Connects don't start rusting until there 10 years old....I'll have a new van again by then... ;D ;)
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Lpg is fine and doesn’t come with insurance issues, Aplan are fine about it, £10 a week in gas and had no issues for 6 years with mine, yes someone might have had a issue but someone might get run over crossing a road, I wouldn’t dream of paying 3-4 grand on a diesel heater
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Lpg is fine and doesn’t come with insurance issues, Aplan are fine about it, £10 a week in gas and had no issues for 6 years with mine, yes someone might have had a issue but someone might get run over crossing a road, I wouldn’t dream of paying 3-4 grand on a diesel heater
Each to their own but your kidding yourself......you will NOT be insured mate if something goes belly up.....
Their nowhere near as good as professionally fitted diesel heaters in regards to reliability(plus no frost protection).....
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C'mon Daz, you used LPG L5 - and most of that time harped on about how good it was - only when it started falling apart did you see the light (quite literally) - many have used gas without blowing themselves up - its not my choice - but immersion is a great option and easily gets the water hot enough ( downside you need it on for 5-6 hours overnight ) but when you have a something like 600Ltrs between 50 and 70 degrees in the tank it stays that temp for hours. all for the cost of £60 and 2 hours fitting
Darran
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You could also equally say that cold water users want to justify the fact that they can do just the same job in the same speed with cold.
Look at all the above posts, those with hot water say it's better, those without say you don’t need it.
Round and round in circles we go.
I’ll always have a hot water system for as long as I’m window cleaning now. It works for me, if cold works for you, then great.
Oooh mr grumpy 🤪 - I’ve used hot - it’s more comfortable to use and at the end of the day makes the day easier and I could probably get an extra house clean in but 4.5k plus running costs is (IMO) a crazy business decision - for one man bands I see the attraction and that’s fair enough but it’s a luxury not a necessity
Darran
It’s funny how things sound in text. ;D
I’m as happy as Larry. And seank. ;D
Jonny i'm really Happy that your as Happy as me, now that makes 2 of us. :) ;D
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You could also equally say that cold water users want to justify the fact that they can do just the same job in the same speed with cold.
Look at all the above posts, those with hot water say it's better, those without say you don’t need it.
Round and round in circles we go.
I’ll always have a hot water system for as long as I’m window cleaning now. It works for me, if cold works for you, then great.
Oooh mr grumpy 🤪 - I’ve used hot - it’s more comfortable to use and at the end of the day makes the day easier and I could probably get an extra house clean in but 4.5k plus running costs is (IMO) a crazy business decision - for one man bands I see the attraction and that’s fair enough but it’s a luxury not a necessity
Darran
It’s funny how things sound in text. ;D
I’m as happy as Larry. And seank. ;D
Jonny i'm really Happy that your as Happy as me, now that makes 2 of us. :) ;D
Your names Larry???
I never put that to you username for reason. :)
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I’m happier than the pair of you , I hit the magic on demand temperature today with 20*c feed water , and that is not even running at full setting , I can see 70*c as the tops for on demand 😁
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1558900028_4D2C4EDE-2925-4581-B17A-834BCE625D6D.png)
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All ready for the stainless version of this little beastie now 😁😁😁
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1558900492_BF7B5CB3-0D8A-4E2D-8A47-B626AC9BAF58.png)