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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: James Styles on March 20, 2019, 05:26:24 pm
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I’m looking into buying my first WFP, was thinking I could use this thread for any recommendations or advice on some that I’ve found.
If you have any links to poles you recommend that’s great.
What do you guys think of this one https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F112474322502
looks like when enclosed it shuts very small and neat, anodised aluminium, hose inside, 20ft, 25ft or 30ft are the options.
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Use this link for the best poles for wc.
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/
The one on your link in aluminium and will be hard work for you. You won't look back once you try out carbon fibre poles.
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Use this link for the best poles for wc.
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/
The one on your link in aluminium and will be hard work for you. You won't look back once you try out carbon fibre poles.
How about this one mate https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/telescopic-poles/clx-ii-carbon-composite-pole/pole-clx-22.html
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Gardiners are good poles : if you can afford it gofor an slx which is 100% carbon they are light, reasonably stiff and last well .
If you are on a tight budget look at the clx they are a hybrid pole , that means a mixture of fibreglass and carbon , they are slightly heavier and a bit more Wippy but still a very good pole and cheaper than full carbon
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How high do you need to go ?
Normal houses or town houses ?
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How high do you need to go ?
Normal houses or town houses ?
Both really mate
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How high do you need to go ?
Normal houses or town houses ?
Both really mate
In which case go for the slx 25. The smaller ones won't reach third level windows or over larger extentions and conservatory
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As you are trying to stay in this budget I see the only safe option as a CLX 27 from Gardiner and the backpack from Gardiner , it will still put you over budget but it will work and you will reach , certain townhouses need a 27 footer due to dormer windows , an extension hose of maybe 10 metre would be good to couple the 2 items .
Of course an SLX 27 would be far better in the long run as it would save you an upgrade in the future if it all takes off ,
I myself use an SLX 18 for 90% of my work and add on the bottom 2 sections of a CLX 27 as and when needed.
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Shop for poles at gardiners, if you do it from word go you will wonder what else is out there. If you don t you will end up buying gardiner poles, but also have a garage full of regrets.
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can you imagine what daz would post as a shopping list for james ?
Extreme 35
Grippa 9Kw
Connect with heated seats
Electric reel and a backpack just in case ;D
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Wow those slx ones are a bit dear for the moment, there’s also a bit price jump from clx22 to 27, I’m wondering if clx 22 will be fine for the majority of work I’d be doing.
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Shop for poles at gardiners, if you do it from word go you will wonder what else is out there. If you don t you will end up buying gardiner poles, but also have a garage full of regrets.
I have a 10x8 shed full of 14 years worth of regrets ;D
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Also lads when ordering there’s all these options of selecting gooseneck, brush, jets, hose and hose connecter type... I’m gonna be honest I ain’t got a clue what’s the best selections I need to make...
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Wow those slx ones are a bit dear for the moment, there’s also a bit price jump from clx22 to 27, I’m wondering if clx 22 will be fine for the majority of work I’d be doing.
The CLX 22 would do all you need if you didnt target the townhouses , it may well reach some to be honest , but dont forget that you can always add to the pole at a later date , dont run before you can walk I think is the saying .
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Wow those slx ones are a bit dear for the moment, there’s also a bit price jump from clx22 to 27, I’m wondering if clx 22 will be fine for the majority of work I’d be doing.
The CLX 22 would do all you need if you didnt target the townhouses , it may well reach some to be honest , but dont forget that you can always add to the pole at a later date , dont run before you can walk I think is the saying .
That’s good that I can add to the pole if needed, I’m leaning towards the clx 22 so far, if I ordered that and gardiner backpack is that all I would need? I know you mentioned an extension hose?
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Also lads when ordering there’s all these options of selecting gooseneck, brush, jets, hose and hose connecter type... I’m gonna be honest I ain’t got a clue what’s the best selections I need to make...
It's down to your own preference and cleaning method.
There is a brush guide on the site to compare them all. As your using cold water opt for either soft of med bristles.
The standard yellow hose will be fine for a cold water user.
A plastic gooseneck will be fine either swival or not. I prefer swival as you can ealisly change the angle of the brush against the pole while working.
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Clx 22 is a good shout. But if you can stretch to it try to get a short pole as well. Short poles are the mutts nuts. My clx 14 turned up tens of thousands before I had to replace the base section and a jet.
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If it were me I would get .......
Pole with standard goose neck and medium mix ultimate brush and rectus 21 male fitting .
Backpack with female rectus 21 fitting .
10 metre of reinforced pole hose with male rectus 21 on one end and female rectus 21 on the other end .
That would sort you out , just add water .
Jets in brush is a personal thing , myself I would go for red fans over pencils as you need to be saving water , maybe order as an extra the pencils just in case you dont get on with the fans .
It might be as well to phone them and get a call back arranged with the list of bits to make sure you get what you want with minimum risk of a mishap online !
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James has gone quiet , I bet he's sitting through Alex's televised brush guide ;D ;D ;D
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Just a thought here , but instead of having the female fitting on the backpack and the male fitting on the pole you might want to swap those fittings when you order as every time you disconnect the pole with my original list would mean all the water in the pole hose would go to waste .
Every little helps when water is short !
The extension hose can stay as it is though .
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Loads of good advice, especially on gardiners poles. As you can probably tell already! The vast majority of us use gardiners for our poles as they are very competative in price (check out ionics if need prove 😂) and they are very well made.
When i first switched over from trad to wfp, I thought I knew alot about it because a mate of mine made the switch a year before me and I helped him a day a week for that year. He went super cheap and guaranteed we were fixing leaks and plumbing issues weekly. He went with 2 glass fibre poles 😭 tut tut tut, never ever and i mean ever make that mistake!
So I thought i would buy 2 poles, one an hybrid and the other a carbon but i was impatient and bought all my equipment from a company called purefreedom. (Disclaimer, their products are good and im not paid to say so either 😂😂) it was a mistake that didnt take too long to realise!
In 2 yrs rarely used the hybrid which the clx selection with gardiners are also. This is because they are very whippy. To stop this you dont fully extend each section, you only extend to perhaps a 2/3rds but then you defeat the purpose and have to buy much larger than needed as you are shortening the length.
With carbon, they are lighter and the brush goes exactly where you want it to do so and all your energy goes into it. Whereas with the hybrid poles, alot of the excerted energy goes into the flex of the pole!
Brushes and jets are a personal thing. I spent the first six months to a year trying different brushes and jets and jet combinations. The chart on gardiners will help you make an informed choice however.
Yet as much as we on hear have a wealth of experience and knowledge, that can only go so far with you as like all of us, we have been on this steep learning curve your embarking on. Whichever setup you go for, you will probably endure with as you build your round and finances but you will soon be itching to make improvements. Especially on a tight budget.
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James has gone quiet , I bet he's sitting through Alex's televised brush guide ;D ;D ;D
No. He has discovered Nathan's utube channel. 24 hours of bing watching ;D
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James has gone quiet , I bet he's sitting through Alex's televised brush guide ;D ;D ;D
No. He has discovered Nathan's utube channel. 24 hours of bing watching ;D
Poor chap 😂😂
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Thanks for all the awesome information and advice guys you have all helped me massively, yes I’ve been watching a lot of YouTube videos on wfp hahaha, watched some of NKServices vids, there’s a channel called Luke the window cleaner too, loads of channels tbf, all very informative, I think I will be going for the clx 22 and gardiner backpack, I just want to understand everything, all the little bits n pieces and how everything works so I order it with the right selections and not miss anything out, it’s a lot to get your head around lol
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Gardiner backpacks need to be made more robust. Ours last about 12 months before something breaks. It may be a switch or flow controller, or any of the components but it will eventually fail. We now carry spares in case one goes down. They are the mutts nutts as a tool for the window cleaning industry, but they are not as robust as they can be made. Deffinatly get one, but be aware they don't last for ever.
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All you need extra is something that connects the hose from the back pack to the hose on your pole.
The main one are the rectus fittings. One female and one male which is straight forward.
These come with a barb fitting which goes into the pole hose. So all you need to do is know the diameter of the inside of the pole hose, which is normally 6mm but you will know this when you buy one as it tells you.
On gardiners website ig also tells you which size O clips to use to secure the hose onto the barbs and away you go.
This becomes the easy part. The hard bit is mastering it all and then finding and changing and playing with it all untill it suits your personal needs and requirements and then practical application of it all on the glass.
Sadly there is no short cuts, I know as I thought there was due to helping my friend out. But i still went down the steep learning curve and sometimes it can be painful.
I say this not to discourage but more of the reality. Dont have a false expectation of how things my be, its going to be hard and what you decide to buy now, may not last you a year, or may not suit you as you pick up the work.
But i wish you the very best, especially in trying to improve your own situation n life as you posted (i think on whichever thread)
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Did James say where he is based? Maybe someone could supply him with water for a while until he gets established. I will if he's anywhere near me..
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Thanks for all the awesome information and advice guys you have all helped me massively, yes I’ve been watching a lot of YouTube videos on wfp hahaha, watched some of NKServices vids, there’s a channel called Luke the window cleaner too, loads of channels tbf, all very informative, I think I will be going for the clx 22 and gardiner backpack, I just want to understand everything, all the little bits n pieces and how everything works so I order it with the right selections and not miss anything out, it’s a lot to get your head around lol
Come on James "It's only window cleaning" ;D ;D ;D
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can you imagine what daz would post as a shopping list for james ?
Extreme 35
Grippa 9Kw
Connect with heated seats
Electric reel and a backpack just in case ;D
it would be....
xtreme 25
xtreme 47
9kw grippa hydroheat
pure freedom reelmaster
500L tank,PF crash tested frame
connect 240 L2 limited......
roof rack and 3.5m trade ladders,trad gear,etc
gardiners V3 backpack......
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Clx 22 is a good shout. But if you can stretch to it try to get a short pole as well. Short poles are the mutts nuts. My clx 14 turned up tens of thousands before I had to replace the base section and a jet.
no need for a short pole...
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Gardiner backpacks need to be made more robust. Ours last about 12 months before something breaks. It may be a switch or flow controller, or any of the components but it will eventually fail. We now carry spares in case one goes down. They are the mutts nutts as a tool for the window cleaning industry, but they are not as robust as they can be made. Deffinatly get one, but be aware they don't last for ever.
their only £100 to replace anyway.....mines still going strong after 2 years....it doesnt get used much though(chemical application mainly)
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can you imagine what daz would post as a shopping list for james ?
Extreme 35
Grippa 9Kw
Connect with heated seats
Electric reel and a backpack just in case ;D
it would be....
xtreme 25
xtreme 47
9kw grippa hydroheat
pure freedom reelmaster
500L tank,PF crash tested frame
connect 240 L2 limited......
roof rack and 3.5m trade ladders,trad gear,etc
gardiners V3 backpack......
Alright if you've got 30 grand squirelled away
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Mine is 4 years old now , still looks like it’s just come out the box , don’t chuck it around and keep it fully charged
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1553158952_52FBD866-7EA6-443B-9E30-0C6183A57E54.png)
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Ditto. ^^^^^^^
I actually won my Gardiner backpack on this forum. ☺️ The one with the poem competition.
I reckon the battery is starting to go, but still, that must be 3 years or so. Can’t knock that.
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Mine get used day in day out. We totally beast them. I will take a photo tomo and show you.
For myself I have resigned myself to buy at least one per year, but my buddy would rather fix and mend them. All of them have earned their keep and then some.
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To be honest not even a full day and its paid for itself ;D
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To be honest not even a full day and its paid for itself ;D
That’s where I want to get to mate, but imagine at the moment splashing out all this cash and I have 0 customers lol it’s quite daunting :o
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To be honest not even a full day and its paid for itself ;D
That’s where I want to get to mate, but imagine at the moment splashing out all this cash and I have 0 customers lol it’s quite daunting :o
Whats the back story james?
Have you recently lost your job? and turning to window cleaning? I ask as you made mention that currently you dont work and that must be hard. However your on a forum full of people who have started from very similar positions to you and they have made it work. It may seem a little daunting mate but it works or else we wouldnt be saying it and running our businesses.
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To be honest not even a full day and its paid for itself ;D
That’s where I want to get to mate, but imagine at the moment splashing out all this cash and I have 0 customers lol it’s quite daunting :o
Whats the back story james?
Have you recently lost your job? and turning to window cleaning? I ask as you made mention that currently you dont work and that must be hard. However your on a forum full of people who have started from very similar positions to you and they have made it work. It may seem a little daunting mate but it works or else we wouldnt be saying it and running our businesses.
if you go on the other forum youll find out nathan...... ;D
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To be honest not even a full day and its paid for itself ;D
That’s where I want to get to mate, but imagine at the moment splashing out all this cash and I have 0 customers lol it’s quite daunting :o
Whats the back story james?
Have you recently lost your job? and turning to window cleaning? I ask as you made mention that currently you dont work and that must be hard. However your on a forum full of people who have started from very similar positions to you and they have made it work. It may seem a little daunting mate but it works or else we wouldnt be saying it and running our businesses.
I was working in a powder coating factory for 7 years but was made redundant, then I had a bad time, I had depression for a few years, I am stronger now and want to get my life together, I worked for a window cleaner about 10 years ago for over about 2 years but he did it the traditional way, but I do have experience in window cleaning which should help, just have 0 experience with wfp, I’ve always wanted to be my own boss and the time just feels right.
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All backpacks are essentially the same cheap pumps and battery's inside.
This one is £60
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12v-16-Litre-CORDLESS-ELECTRIC-GARDEN-AGRICULTURAL-PRESSURE-SPRAYER-weedkiller/181634382316?epid=1388631688&hash=item2a4a40b9ec:g:~VEAAOSwax5YuCep
I paid £35 for mine but I can't find them anywhere
Like anything in window cleaning you can pay a lot of money for a brand name or you can usually find the same thing cheaper or D.I.Y it.
The only exception to that rule would be poles, one thing you don't scrimp on is a pole as it's the main tool. Like everyone else who has bought an extreme you kick yourself and say I wish I would have bought one years ago.
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The only exception to that rule would be poles, one thing you don't scrimp on is a pole as it's the main tool. Like everyone else who has bought an extreme you kick yourself and say I wish I would have bought one years ago.
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I don't
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To be honest not even a full day and its paid for itself ;D
That’s where I want to get to mate, but imagine at the moment splashing out all this cash and I have 0 customers lol it’s quite daunting :o
Whats the back story james?
Have you recently lost your job? and turning to window cleaning? I ask as you made mention that currently you dont work and that must be hard. However your on a forum full of people who have started from very similar positions to you and they have made it work. It may seem a little daunting mate but it works or else we wouldnt be saying it and running our businesses.
if you go on the other forum youll find out nathan...... ;D
What and not be loyal to ciu.......is that allowed
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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All backpacks are essentially the same cheap pumps and battery's inside.
This one is £60
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12v-16-Litre-CORDLESS-ELECTRIC-GARDEN-AGRICULTURAL-PRESSURE-SPRAYER-weedkiller/181634382316?epid=1388631688&hash=item2a4a40b9ec:g:~VEAAOSwax5YuCep
I paid £35 for mine but I can't find them anywhere
Like anything in window cleaning you can pay a lot of money for a brand name or you can usually find the same thing cheaper or D.I.Y it.
The only exception to that rule would be poles, one thing you don't scrimp on is a pole as it's the main tool. Like everyone else who has bought an extreme you kick yourself and say I wish I would have bought one years ago.
Would this one connect simply with clx22 pole?
So if I found a water backpack that’s £30-£40 I could get that and just order clx from gardiner?
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If I bought clx22 and this water pump https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F132349178528 would they work and fit together fine?
Unless im misreading the details, the ebay link is for a charger and not the backpack. Am i right?
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The only exception to that rule would be poles, one thing you don't scrimp on is a pole as it's the main tool. Like everyone else who has bought an extreme you kick yourself and say I wish I would have bought one years ago.
I don't
you dont what ?
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Which area of Birmingham James
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Which area of Birmingham James
Solihull
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If I bought clx22 and this water pump https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F132349178528 would they work and fit together fine?
Unless im misreading the details, the ebay link is for a charger and not the backpack. Am i right?
My bad, I was thinking that’s cheap lol.
How about this one https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F192824503504
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All i can say with my experience in life (haha im only 41 not some old fart yet but)
If you buy too cheap and/or you think its too cheap, then you almost always end up regretting it and thennhave to spend more to rectify it.
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All i can say with my experience in life (haha im only 41 not some old fart yet but)
If you buy too cheap and/or you think its too cheap, then you almost always end up regretting it and thennhave to spend more to rectify it.
Are you saying I’m old fatty ? 🤣
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All i can say with my experience in life (haha im only 41 not some old fart yet but)
If you buy too cheap and/or you think its too cheap, then you almost always end up regretting it and thennhave to spend more to rectify it.
Are you saying I’m old fatty ? 🤣
;D ;D ;D
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What and not be loyal to ciu.......is that allowed
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Afraid you might like it ain't ya ;D ;D
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Hi guys I’m ordering my clx22 now, before processing the order I just want to check I’ve selected the right options.
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id get pencil jets not fan jets....
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id get pencil jets not fan jets....
Agreed - as a newbie , get pencil jets to perfect aim. Then as time goes on maybe change to fan jets
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+1 for pencil jets
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gardiners poles with pencil jets every time
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Ok guys cheers, I will change to pencil jets, is everything else correct?
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I mentioned the fan jets as you will only have 120 L of water , it won’t go as far with pencils
You might want to put fans on as an extra anyway as if you order them on there own you will be stuffed with postage !
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Ok guys cheers, I will change to pencil jets, is everything else correct?
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Yes mate , as far as i can see that should do the job , one thing though , the 10m extension hose you are getting i take it you have ordered a male and female rectus for each end ?
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Yes mate , as far as i can see that should do the job , one thing though , the 10m extension hose you are getting i take it you have ordered a male and female rectus for each end ?
No mate, I thought everything I need would be with the pole n backpack?
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There is no need to order fittings for the 10m pole hose, it will come with the ez snap hosetail. You will need to select the female ez snap fitting for the backpack.
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Usually, you have the Rectus ez-snap female end stop on your reel hose or backpack hose
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/pump-hose/hose-fittings-adapters/ez-snap-range/ez-snaptm-female-end-stop-coupling-for-pole-hose-5mm-barb.html
And the male rectus fitting on the pole hose end
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/pump-hose/hose-fittings-adapters/ez-snap-range/ez-snap-trade-male-5mm-barb.html
The female end stop fitting stops the flow when disconnected from the pole. So if on the backpack or reel hose, this stops water piddling out the end.
You need them to connect pole to your water source for cleaning
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So you are just having 10m of pole hose attached to the pole , in that case what you have ordered will be fine
I set up a little different as I have van mount and backpack and use hoseless method , pole hose is already on van mount where as I can attach my extension hose to the backpack as I need to
What you have will be dandy mate !
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This is my set up , I thought you where getting the pole as it comes with just the right amount of pole hose but then also getting the 10m extension hose to save moving the backpack around so much !
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1554044484_FE4754FD-D89F-4E5F-8E07-EAE3CAFA3190.png)
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I have now ordered my pole and backpack ;D
How long do they usually take to be delivered from gardiner and is it signed delivery? Just says fed ex on options of delivery
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If you ordered before mid afternoon then probably tomorrow. If not then Friday.
You can track the delivery.