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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jonny 87 on January 23, 2019, 05:38:45 pm
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https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/whats-new/gooseneck-valve.html
Might have completely missed this one, so apologies if this has already been discussed, but has anyone tried this out?
I like it in principle. I enjoyed the aqua tap when that was around.
Can’t help myself so I might order one.
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Be useless with a swivel. I’m out...
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Downside for me is that I do prefer a carbon gooseneck. ???
Might be worth the exchange though.
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i actually liked the old prototype i was sent by alex a few years ago but it started leaking after a day.hopefully they ve ironed out the teething problems.....i would buy one but im still on my first univalve from a few years ago...still works perfectly well plus i bought two so i have a spare..... :)
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I might have to give one a go , was tuggin a the univalve like a madman today , mind you that was with original Gardiner green at 30 foot and water at 52 at the brush head ;D ;D ;D
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I might have to give one a go , was tuggin a the univalve like a madman today , mind you that was with original Gardiner green at 30 foot and water at 52 at the brush head ;D ;D ;D
how did you manage to get a temp reading at 30ft ??? ;D
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I might have to give one a go , was tuggin a the univalve like a madman today , mind you that was with original Gardiner green at 30 foot and water at 52 at the brush head ;D ;D ;D
how did you manage to get a temp reading at 30ft ??? ;D
I got a TDS meter on me Tadger ;D ;D
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i actually liked the old prototype i was sent by alex a few years ago but it started leaking after a day.hopefully they ve ironed out the teething problems.....i would buy one but im still on my first univalve from a few years ago...still works perfectly well plus i bought two so i have a spare..... :)
Hi Dazmond
The prototypes that you tested were back in 2015/16 and were of the very first version we used to sell. Those early V1 prototypes did leak very quickly as they were 3D printed and not really tough enough for a days work.
These new Gooseneck Valves are of a completely different construction and valve mechanism - they have been redesigned from the ground up and have been in testing now for about 12 months. We are pleased that they are a 'world apart' from the previous items.
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Looks a good idea and I tried the old version that streamline brought out before Gardiners first version, similar principal. As I love my swivel goosenecks I couldn't get on with it as I kept switching it on and off when I wasn't trying to. It's a good idea in theory if you use a fixed brush head but terrible if you are using a swivel gooseneck.
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I had one about a yr back, sounds the same where you simply twist the pole to turn flow on or off.
Mine must have been mark1 as it didnt seem to last overly long.
However it may have been my fault. It used slug screws (if thats what their called?) to tighten it. As i sometimes work with the brush vertical it kept switch itself off and so i was forever tightening it up and then i think i must have over tightened (which was easy to do) as it simply busted it and that was that.
However the concept of it and when it worked, i did enjoy its use.
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I think you wanted the word GRUB Nath , rather fitting I think ;D ;D ;D
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You didnt eat them did you ;D
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Looks a similar principle to the aqua tap which I though was a bag of poope. So I'll probably stick to the univalve.
Now if it was pull on pull off I would be interested....
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I would be interested too if it was pull on/off , but definitely not a swivel on/off
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Looks a similar principle to the aqua tap which I though was a bag of poope. So I'll probably stick to the univalve.
Now if it was pull on pull off I would be interested....
The downside to the univalve and admittedly i dont use it as much as my tap valve. But i have used it alot.
The downside of the univalve is grabbing hold of the hose whilst holding the pole, pending the length of the pole at the time.
Whereas this gooseneck is simple to use at whatever height as you simply turn/twist the pole.
It will also be ideal for newbies or trainees ao they can concentrate on the job at hand rather than worrying about turning the water on or off.
(Just my thoughts)
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Looks a similar principle to the aqua tap which I though was a bag of poope. So I'll probably stick to the univalve.
Now if it was pull on pull off I would be interested....
The downside to the univalve and admittedly i dont use it as much as my tap valve. But i have used it alot.
The downside of the univalve is grabbing hold of the hose whilst holding the pole, pending the length of the pole at the time.
Whereas this gooseneck is simple to use at whatever height as you simply turn/twist the pole.
It will also be ideal for newbies or trainees ao they can concentrate on the job at hand rather than worrying about turning the water on or off.
(Just my thoughts)
why? do you hold the pole while cleaning with the base of it on the ground.
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i actually liked the old prototype i was sent by alex a few years ago but it started leaking after a day.hopefully they ve ironed out the teething problems.....i would buy one but im still on my first univalve from a few years ago...still works perfectly well plus i bought two so i have a spare..... :)
Hi Dazmond
The prototypes that you tested were back in 2015/16 and were of the very first version we used to sell. Those early V1 prototypes did leak very quickly as they were 3D printed and not really tough enough for a days work.
These new Gooseneck Valves are of a completely different construction and valve mechanism - they have been redesigned from the ground up and have been in testing now for about 12 months. We are pleased that they are a 'world apart' from the previous items.
Think I bought 2 of them, any chance of a refund 😁
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I think that you will find that Steve Exceed's patent is based on the pull on/off action , so if true ,nothing else can use this method :-\
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Looks a similar principle to the aqua tap which I though was a bag of poope. So I'll probably stick to the univalve.
Now if it was pull on pull off I would be interested....
The downside to the univalve and admittedly i dont use it as much as my tap valve. But i have used it alot.
The downside of the univalve is grabbing hold of the hose whilst holding the pole, pending the length of the pole at the time.
Whereas this gooseneck is simple to use at whatever height as you simply turn/twist the pole.
It will also be ideal for newbies or trainees ao they can concentrate on the job at hand rather than worrying about turning the water on or off.
(Just my thoughts)
why? do you hold the pole while cleaning with the base of it on the ground.
😂😂
Not at all but i certainly dont hold the pole at the very base. Not on the lower windows and certainly not for the higher windows. If you are, then perhaps an extension on your pole is needed or a new pole
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Looks a similar principle to the aqua tap which I though was a bag of poope. So I'll probably stick to the univalve.
Now if it was pull on pull off I would be interested....
The downside to the univalve and admittedly i dont use it as much as my tap valve. But i have used it alot.
The downside of the univalve is grabbing hold of the hose whilst holding the pole, pending the length of the pole at the time.
Whereas this gooseneck is simple to use at whatever height as you simply turn/twist the pole.
It will also be ideal for newbies or trainees ao they can concentrate on the job at hand rather than worrying about turning the water on or off.
(Just my thoughts)
why? do you hold the pole while cleaning with the base of it on the ground.
😂😂
Not at all but i certainly dont hold the pole at the very base. Not on the lower windows and certainly not for the higher windows. If you are, then perhaps an extension on your pole is needed or a new pole
why do i need an extension if i hold the pole near the base? Anyway its not an issues turning it on or off so not a downside (unless you still use a brodex pole)...no different really then letting go of the pole with 1 hand to turn a tap off. I'll do a video for you one day when i retire on how easy it is ;D
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You should, whip out your phone and do a quick recording and post back on here. Surely you can spare a couple of mins whilst your working inorder to do so.
😂
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I used peter fogwills aquatap a lot - at the time it was a good alternative to the aquadaptor as it was more reliable (no springs) however it has many issues - it’s not long before they stiffen up or become loose - o rings needed greasing every few weeks - put stain on the pole clamps and we got lots of wear on the pole when open and closing was stiffer then normal
During cleaning it became apparent that moving to a corner of of a window to turn off got annoying and almost impossible to achieve at 30 feet up
Univalve is superior than any twist motion tap - long lasting easy to use pretty much maintenance free
Darran
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I made my own bracket to clip on the bottom of the pole which holds a 1/4 American stainless steel square ball valve
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Be useless with a swivel. I’m out...
Takes about half an hour to get used to..
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i actually liked the old prototype i was sent by alex a few years ago but it started leaking after a day.hopefully they ve ironed out the teething problems.....i would buy one but im still on my first univalve from a few years ago...still works perfectly well plus i bought two so i have a spare..... :)
They have.
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I've been using these for a couple of months. Very good. There are advantages and disadvantages over the univalve.
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I've been using these for a couple of months. Very good. There are advantages and disadvantages over the univalve.
Such as ?
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I've been using these for a couple of months. Very good. There are advantages and disadvantages over the univalve.
Such as ?
Univalve
Pros
No learning curve.
More ‘certain’ as a shut off when loaded into the van (you could leave your pole connected all day)
Can be retrofitted to any pole on the market (except poles with exceed tubeless I guess??)
Cons
Not as ‘fluid’ to use - more likely to not be used between windows
Additional flex in the pole hose makes it difficult to operate at height
Metal o-clip needed near the brush and therefore glass
Once fitted it's not easily stipped out (a pain on frosty days)
Gardiner’s valve
Pros
More fluid in operation, once you get the hang of it turning the water off between windows becomes natural
Saves more water as used more often
Seamless integration on our SLXs
Can be used while in operation without removing your hands from the pole (handy for wiping vents that you don’t want to get wet)
Easily stripped out for defrosting
More "complete" product. None of this o clip bodge business.
Cons
Flex and/or wear in the pole/clamps makes it difficult to work at height especially on velux windows and windows off at an angle (i.e. above conservatories)
Learning curve (about 1/2 an hour for an decent lad)
More prone to blockages - (we've had about 6 in 2 months. Very easy to fix though)
All in all there is not too much in it. Some of our boys prefer one, some the other. Most weren't bothered, they do the same job with a slightly different technique. If I was out cleaning windows, I'd have the gardiners, it makes for (slightly) quicker cleaning and saves (slightly) more water.
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I'm going to get one with my next order, give it a go.
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I couldn’t get on with v1. It was awkward in a way. That’s the word that comes to mind. And a faff, and yet it was a simple enough system. Just needed tweaking.
I went for the Univalve, which I think is very simple to install and use. Hard to beat.
I like to try new things though, and see for myself if it will make life a little easier, I think I’ll give it a bash :P
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Just have wireless remote on pole to a solenoid water shut off valve switch at the water supply.
No faffing around with mechanical switches.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1548486842_WFP REMOTE.jpg)
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Anyway there is already better solution anyone got feed back on this. ???
https://youtu.be/jYPEPr5e72U
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Just have wireless remote on pole to a solenoid water shut off valve switch at the water supply.
No faffing around with mechanical switches.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1548486842_WFP REMOTE.jpg)
Similar to my set up but every time I press one button it unlocks the metro 🚗
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I tried gardeners v1
Flawed design needed cleaning and servicing
Think I got a replacement as it broke (maybe wrong here, can’t exactly remember)
Give up with it and got univalve !
See gardeners new version claims no servicing interesting 🤔
univalve is coming to the end of its life but I’ve had it over 2 years so very pleased 😃
I don’t think I’d risk the unknown
Alex and Gardiners great company though 👍🤗
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The main issue I had with the v1 gooseneck valve was that I couldn't operate it well under the weight of the pole alone.
I had to place some down force on the pole to keep the brush in place whilst twisting the pole most of the time. Problem was, the valve stuck one winter morning when the pole was fully extended and I accidently placed too much down force on the pole and broke a perfectly good SLX which annoyed me somewhat as it was a pole that otherwise has plenty of life left in it. I ended up selling it for spares and purchased an Xtreme 22, which is now my favourite pole. But there's no way I'd chance it with one of these unless I knew for sure it would work under pole and brush weight alone. Outside of this I actually quite liked the way it operated.
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Any chance Alex, a member of this forum could be sent one to also do a review on and share it with the group?
🤔 a cheeky ask.
Or has there been reviews on it or in the process of being done? Does any body know
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Any chance Alex, a member of this forum could be sent one to also do a review on and share it with the group?
🤔 a cheeky ask.
Or has there been reviews on it or in the process of being done? Does any body know
Nath , are you turning into HMan ?
As far as I can see you missed the boat mate , I think field tests have been long done , ;) ;) ;)
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Any chance Alex, a member of this forum could be sent one to also do a review on and share it with the group?
🤔 a cheeky ask.
Or has there been reviews on it or in the process of being done? Does any body know
Nath , are you turning into HMan ?
As far as I can see you missed the boat mate , I think field tests have been long done , ;) ;) ;)
Ahh pays to read all the responses on the thread. 😂😂😂
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I had to order a few bits and pieces anyway, so I’ve ordered one.
I’ll let you know my findings. 8)
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I really like Gardiners products and customer service , however I feel let down on this occasion and with this product which is why I’m not going to try it , as nice as it might be. I understand that products take time to work and become perfect. I’ve had a good five of the old product and everyone of them leaked broke and was Aweful quite quickly , they replaced a couple and I didn’t bother with the rest . I was told they couldn’t really understand it as no one was reporting faults with the product...I am concerned with this as now clearly I see this was not the case