Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: harleyman on November 29, 2018, 07:18:45 am
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right the other day I got talking to another window cleaner in the conversation he was explaining that he could do with a hand. he asked me if I wanted to hep out so I need the work he as 90 jobs all compact semis he says their is a prox 3 days work done trad how ever I do pole only which he is not botherd about any way so he as offerd me £100 a day and I use my own equipment, I have the work sheet and the prices which the work is worth just short of a grand most of the jobs are 2 weekly???????rest monthly we are in Scotland so as you can imagine prices are not that good also he wants me to collect after I have finished then he will collect the ones who have not paid so the burning question is the offer of a hundred quid worth it
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Depends how desperate you are for the money
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You don’t make it very clear.
Is the work worth £1000 per month or £1000 per clean (mostly 2 weekly)
If you are considering doing the work for 3x £100 days so £300 total for £1000 earnings I’d suggest you are crackers.
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If you’re using your own gear it ought to be that you take 2/3rds and he takes 1/3. IMO.
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right the other day I got talking to another window cleaner in the conversation he was explaining that he could do with a hand. he asked me if I wanted to hep out so I need the work he as 90 jobs all compact semis he says their is a prox 3 days work done trad how ever I do pole only which he is not botherd about any way so he as offerd me £100 a day and I use my own equipment, I have the work sheet and the prices which the work is worth just short of a grand most of the jobs are 2 weekly???????rest monthly we are in Scotland so as you can imagine prices are not that good also he wants me to collect after I have finished then he will collect the ones who have not paid so the burning question is the offer of a hundred quid worth it
so basically he wants you to clean nearly £1000s worth of work for £300 and use your own equipment AND go collecting too?
id rather go door knocking if i was desperate for more work/money,get all them xmas clean customers,add ons too if you can upsell your services at this time of year.....
BUT only you can make the decision.....
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I think you are all missing the point.
It's irrelevant if the work is worth a grand or 5 grand.
What he is offering you is £100 for a day's work, it's the same amount of work regardless of how much profit he is making. Depending how much fuel etc you use that might be £80-90 after your running costs, I'm assuming its £100 cash in your back sky rocket :o....there's worse jobs out there.
So do you want to work for £100 a day? That's the only question ....if you need the work and haven't a full round yet why not? Or you could spend that time knocking doors for your own work...it's your call
But I don't see why how much he is making is relevant...of course you could ask for more more and he might say yes or no.
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I think you are all missing the point.
It's irrelevant if the work is worth a grand or 5 grand.
What he is offering you is £100 for a day's work, it's the same amount of work regardless of how much profit he is making.
So do you want to work for £100 a day? That's the only question ....if you need the work and haven't a full round yet why not? Or you could spend that time knocking doors for your own work...it's your call
But I don't see why how much he is making is relevant...of course you could ask for more more and he might say yes or no.
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I think you are all missing the point.
It's irrelevant if the work is worth a grand or 5 grand.
What he is offering you is £100 for a day's work, it's the same amount of work regardless of how much profit he is making. Depending how much fuel etc you use that might be £80-90 after your running costs, I'm assuming its £100 cash in your back sky rocket :o....there's worse jobs out there.
So do you want to work for £100 a day? That's the only question ....if you need the work and haven't a full round yet why not? Or you could spend that time knocking doors for your own work...it's your call
But I don't see why how much he is making is relevant...of course you could ask for more more and he might say yes or no.
It’s relevant because what he’s being offered is £100 a day to clean 30 x 3 bed semis for £3.33 each, with his own equipment and to go and collect the cash each evening whilst knowing that the other guy is taking £700 for doing nothing other than ‘owning’ this round.
Knowing this info you know there’s scope to get a far better deal on this work, even at £150 a day he’s getting a great deal from you.
Anybody who takes this work on at £100/day is going to be fed up with it within a couple of days I guarantee it.
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I would never print prices on a worksheet and never expect subies to collect, it’s either go careless, BAC or cheques in post by the odd few
It’s a lot of work for a small day rate and a litttle fool hardy on his part, but that’s not the issue
Is it a fair amount, possibly not
I pay most my subs £200 a day, 9- 4 at the longest most days shorter, i invoice all , no collecting by anyone and arrange with clients days and times.
and pay end of day, I do have a good relation ship with them all and we’ve all built good trust levels over the years now
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The biggest thing to strike me is your going to have to first clean the lot of them if they have all been done traditionaly in the past.
I wouldnt want to do that for £100, you wouldnt get through the full days quota for starters.
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Depends how desperate you are for the money
I take it your the one offering him the work?! 😂😂
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Some people on here are paying treble over what they used to then yeah lol.
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I think you are all missing the point.
It's irrelevant if the work is worth a grand or 5 grand.
What he is offering you is £100 for a day's work, it's the same amount of work regardless of how much profit he is making. Depending how much fuel etc you use that might be £80-90 after your running costs, I'm assuming its £100 cash in your back sky rocket :o....there's worse jobs out there.
So do you want to work for £100 a day? That's the only question ....if you need the work and haven't a full round yet why not? Or you could spend that time knocking doors for your own work...it's your call
But I don't see why how much he is making is relevant...of course you could ask for more more and he might say yes or no.
It’s relevant because what he’s being offered is £100 a day to clean 30 x 3 bed semis for £3.33 each, with his own equipment and to go and collect the cash each evening whilst knowing that the other guy is taking £700 for doing nothing other than ‘owning’ this round.
Knowing this info you know there’s scope to get a far better deal on this work, even at £150 a day he’s getting a great deal from you.
Anybody who takes this work on at £100/day is going to be fed up with it within a couple of days I guarantee it.
Nope its not relevant at all imo.
An employee at tesco is on £8 per hour, an employee in any job is on X amount per hour.
What they get paid is per hour or per day etc, it is not based on what turnover the boss is making in a given day.
If a store turns over 50k a day or 500k a day the employee gets the same.
It shouldnt be any of the employees or subcontractors business what the boss is making, they can simply choose to accept the job offer or not........by the way im not saying you cant try to negotiate it....
The owner of the work isnt "doing nothing" thats what business is all about, hes probably spent years building that work so that he can be in a position to offer the work to someone else and thus make a profit......and why shouldnt he.
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its only relevant in as much as the guy now thinks he is being hard done by and got a touch of the green eyed monster
if you agree £100 then thats the price - the original owner has done all the leg work getting customers, servicing them etc.. etc why do you think your suddenly entitled to 2/3 of the money ??
Darran
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£100 a day self employed. I was doing that off a ladder 20 years ago.
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I think you are all missing the point.
It's irrelevant if the work is worth a grand or 5 grand.
What he is offering you is £100 for a day's work, it's the same amount of work regardless of how much profit he is making. Depending how much fuel etc you use that might be £80-90 after your running costs, I'm assuming its £100 cash in your back sky rocket :o....there's worse jobs out there.
So do you want to work for £100 a day? That's the only question ....if you need the work and haven't a full round yet why not? Or you could spend that time knocking doors for your own work...it's your call
But I don't see why how much he is making is relevant...of course you could ask for more more and he might say yes or no.
It’s relevant because what he’s being offered is £100 a day to clean 30 x 3 bed semis for £3.33 each, with his own equipment and to go and collect the cash each evening whilst knowing that the other guy is taking £700 for doing nothing other than ‘owning’ this round.
Knowing this info you know there’s scope to get a far better deal on this work, even at £150 a day he’s getting a great deal from you.
Anybody who takes this work on at £100/day is going to be fed up with it within a couple of days I guarantee it.
Nope its not relevant at all imo.
An employee at tesco is on £8 per hour, an employee in any job is on X amount per hour.
What they get paid is per hour or per day etc, it is not based on what turnover the boss is making in a given day.
If a store turns over 50k a day or 500k a day the employee gets the same.
It shouldnt be any of the employees or subcontractors business what the boss is making, they can simply choose to accept the job offer or not........by the way im not saying you cant try to negotiate it....
The owner of the work isnt "doing nothing" thats what business is all about, hes probably spent years building that work so that he can be in a position to offer the work to someone else and thus make a profit......and why shouldnt he.
Unless of course, your using your own resourses.
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Im confused as to why the question is asked at all, as in, why are you questioning your own worth on a public forum. Your either happy with the amount or not and if not renegotiate the terms its as simple as that.
Its also irrelevent to how much the owner is making because its his business, he his the boss and asked if the employee is happy with those terms or not.
Its one of those issues i get fed up of hearing, people going on strike over pay. You go for a job, they tell you what you have to do and how much you will get paid. You either say yes please or go for another job. Its that simple. You cant take on a job and then moan at the pay, its not crept up on you, you had a choice. Same here, you was happy to say yes when the owner told you and now that youve found out how much he is making, you question your own worth. Feel for all the cheap labour in china etc who work for pittance while the big bosses live like kings.
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I’m with gomo on this.
If you work for someone (even using your own equipment) you are working for the wages they set. If it’s their round, there business, then they have the right to choose how much they pay you.
This has always been the problem with window cleaning, employees can see quite easily how mich a boss is making, this is why it’s so hard to keep employees in the window cleaning game. They catch on and then build there own round.
Whereas sally and Pete in Tesco don’t really see the money in the same way, they just get there wage and crack on stacking those shelves!
The best answer I can give the OP is build up your own round ASAP. In the meantime, if you need the money, then by all means go ahead with the proposed work.
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£100 a day self employed. I was doing that off a ladder 20 years ago.
did you stop when the ladder snapped
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I think you have 4 choices, take £100 a day, renegotiate a better deal, drum up some of your own business, or sit on your ass and drink tea ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
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i was getting £20 a day when i worked for another window cleaner(trad)cash in hand while i was on the dole many years ago! ;D
.....until i got £1200 together to buy my first van then i was out canvassing virtually every day for 6 months! ;D
you do what you gotta do at the time.......
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Im confused as to why the question is asked at all, as in, why are you questioning your own worth on a public forum. Your either happy with the amount or not and if not renegotiate the terms its as simple as that.
Its also irrelevent to how much the owner is making because its his business, he his the boss and asked if the employee is happy with those terms or not.
Its one of those issues i get fed up of hearing, people going on strike over pay. You go for a job, they tell you what you have to do and how much you will get paid. You either say yes please or go for another job. Its that simple. You cant take on a job and then moan at the pay, its not crept up on you, you had a choice. Same here, you was happy to say yes when the owner told you and now that youve found out how much he is making, you question your own worth. Feel for all the cheap labour in china etc who work for pittance while the big bosses live like kings.
Do you expect a person to work for the same money forever ? plus most strikes start because the employer has moved the goalposts, think before you post (roll eyes)
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thanks for all the reply's some really good points I must point out that I am not his employee he was asking for a favour I was once in his position the guy I asked for help wanted more which I paid no bother just wanted to know if things had got any better i forgot to mention that I have a hot wash system he wanted me to pay for half the gas bottle any way ive since spoke to the guy and politely declined and thats that I aint having the pish taken