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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jonboywalton75 on November 19, 2018, 03:16:14 pm
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I'm thinking of installing an immersion heater
I have a 650ltr flat tank, I usually put about 550 litres in daily
What size in KWs would i need?
Do you install in the side of the tank or does it need to be at the top?
I haven't a clue so any tips would be welcome
And no Daz, I ain't buying a diesel heater 🤣🤣
Mainly I want to use softer hoses and not run it piping hot
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Install in the side of the tank, the lower down the better. 3kw would be best but you would need a sparky to fit a 16 amp socket.
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Install in the side of the tank, the lower down the better. 3kw would be best but you would need a sparky to fit a 16 amp socket.
Agree.
And try and get as big an element as you can., for instance mine is 27inches long 😏
Use a mechanical flange as well and install as low down as you can. Mine allows the element to pass underneath the central divide in a 500ltr upright tank. Simply lower the backing nut down with some string, it's really easy to do
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I'm thinking of installing an immersion heater
I have a 650ltr flat tank, I usually put about 550 litres in daily
What size in KWs would i need?
Do you install in the side of the tank or does it need to be at the top?
I haven't a clue so any tips would be welcome
And no Daz, I ain't buying a diesel heater 🤣🤣
Mainly I want to use softer hoses and not run it piping hot
good luck with cutting a hole in your tank...... ;D ;D..make sure its slightly too small for a tight fit.....
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Sod that lark lol.
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Cheers for those replies lads
Any tips for a decent quality heater I can get online?
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Screwfix do all you need if you must do it,you need something called a boss I think that’s the thread on the outside of the tank for the immersion to screw into to hold it place. You’ll also need to put extra money away for all that extra electric you’ll be using.
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Jon, i will send you an email now as i have just bought and half installed an immersion heater into my diy system which is almost complete.
Cheers
Josh
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https://youtu.be/Ogw6FBV3suw
Check that out
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Screwfix do all you need if you must do it,you need something called a boss I think that’s the thread on the outside of the tank for the immersion to screw into to hold it place. You’ll also need to put extra money away for all that extra electric you’ll be using.
Cheers NWH
I don't intend to use it all the time
I'm just sick of cold hoses kinking and it'll warm the van on cold nights as well, at least keep it above freezing ☺️
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https://youtu.be/Ogw6FBV3suw
Check that out
there you go jonboywalton....cheap and cheerful.......should stop your water freezing in the hose.....
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Seems ok
Cheap and hopefully cheerful 😁
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Will it really be expensive to run?
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Will it really be expensive to run?
Depends what your rates are for kilowatt hours used!
I have a day n nite meter, so at night it's about 7.5p per kilowatt hour. So from midnight till 7am it costs me 15p per hour, so £1.05 for the night. But day time would cost me 30 pence per hour for a 2kw per hour.
So not very expensive, but it depends on your packages and running times. ( so 22.5p at night per hour on a 3kw element for me, or 45p day per hour)
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Cheers Nathan
That seems to be a reasonable cost
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Out of interest and excluding Nathan, who has super cheap electric, how long do you have your immersion on for?
The cost over a month seems to average about £80.
Not sure about recording for tax either, at the moment recording the nights its on and then will times it by the cost.
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Out of interest and excluding Nathan, who has super cheap electric, how long do you have your immersion on for?
The cost over a month seems to average about £80.
Not sure about recording for tax either, at the moment recording the nights its on and then will times it by the cost.
Just guessing, but that seems on the high side
I wouldn't pay £80 for supple hoses and frost protection
Maybe I'm stingy
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Hi John, there’s some good threads on here about immersion fitting. You have to check back a bit.
What you need is :
*A mechanical flange ( this is what the immersion will screw into ).
- This is why you need to cut a hole in the tank, to accept the flange. Once the hole is cut ,you place the boss end (with threaded section in the boss, where the immersion element screws in) of the flange on outside of tank and you push it through so that the other part of the flange set-up, the washer, on the inside of tank, screws and holds the flange solidly in place.
*Hole cutter - can’t remember the size ::)roll , but I’ve got one if you want to borrow it.
If your son is Mike and married to Giorga, I know who you are ;D
*Decent cable that’ll take the 3kw.
I also used a waterproof sealant just to make sure!!
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Who are you Rigsby?
Yes you've got the right Jon
Email me on jjwcleaning@yahoo.co.uk
If you'd rather reveal your identity in private 😁
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The costs are based on a 5 night useage each week. You dont have to use it all the time, in milder weather I use cold.
Warm hoses are one benefit but the greatest one for me is faster and more effective rinsing. Also warm water cleans great.
I do two to three more jobs a day in the same time with warm so ome of those covers the cost.
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If the immersion allows you to work one day that otherwise you would have been frozen up then it's paid for itself.
Having a frost free van and warm hoses/water opens up a larger window of opportunity to work in harsher winter weather. It can't fail to pay for itself many times over!
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1542747750_photo1.jpg)
This was last February a bit morning snow after a heavy overnight frost. Immersion was used to heat water and keep back of pickup frost free we were out as usual earning and not getting behind with work ;D ;D
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1542747750_photo1.jpg)
This was last February a bit morning snow after a heavy overnight frost. Immersion was used to heat water and keep back of pickup frost free we were out as usual earning and not getting behind with work ;D ;D
i think i would of sacked the day off even with a diesel heater! ;D
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It's only a frosting of snow, daz.
A manly man, womaniser of old, drum playing weight lifting dude who wouldstay at home due to a bit of frosting on the ground 😳😳😂
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Out of interest and excluding Nathan, who has super cheap electric, how long do you have your immersion on for?
The cost over a month seems to average about £80.
Not sure about recording for tax either, at the moment recording the nights its on and then will times it by the cost.
Just guessing, but that seems on the high side
I wouldn't pay £80 for supple hoses and frost protection
Maybe I'm stingy
LOL - no you just happy to pay 4.5 grand and 25 quid a week on diesel for supple hoses ;D ;D ;D
Darran
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oops - might have the wrong Jonny - how embarrassing ;D
Darran
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When you live oop north if we sacked it off for a sprinkling of snow you would lose loads of days between November and April ;D ;D
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I’m happy to pay for a diesel heater smudger and it works out at 5-4K you need to have the mains hook up with a diesel heater I had mine fitted for my other diesel heater under a year ago,it’s needed for them
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oops - might have the wrong Jonny - how embarrassing ;D
Darran
Yeah wrong Jonny, 😱😱😱😱
I can think of a lot of things to spend £4500 on.
A diesel heater would come after a nice present for my worst enemy😂😂😂😂😂
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I not knocking anyone for getting a diesel heater - they work - they are safe - they are a nice luxury to have what they are not are essential those spouting about quicker cleaning live in a fantasy land
Then you get Daz saying he wouldn’t go out in a sprinkling of snow ! Wow what was point of getting hot then ?
Still I’ll leave NWH and Daz to their hot diesel love in
Darran
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I not knocking anyone for getting a diesel heater - they work - they are safe - they are a nice luxury to have what they are not are essential those spouting about quicker cleaning live in a fantasy land
Quicker cleaning!!!!! 😁😁
I would not expect to be hardly any quicker with a hot system on my 4 weekly maintenance cleans.
Isn't the point of window cleaning to earn as much as possible in the shortest time
I think it would take me a long time to get £4500 back through cleaning faster with hot
My son who is 25 years younger than me already thinks I clean lightning fast😂
Actually any faster and the customers would think I'm taking the mickey
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Darren regardless of what anyone says m8 cleaning with hot is quicker I honestly wouldn’t have bothered getting another if it wasn’t,yes of course you can clean with cold and it does a good job but you have to take more time and some marks on plastic are not removed properly with cold.is it more comfortable to use yes it is does it clean better and make jobs quicker definitely imo. I’ve cleaned jobs this week that have been covered in spiders droppings on sills and frames,they look like new I’ve been using cold for the best part of 3 months and some stubborn stains and marks are just not cleanable with cold m8,you’ll get away with it but I wouldn’t really want to leave some frames and windows in that state just my opinion Darren been using hot for 13 years now.
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I haven’t said hot doesn’t clean quicker but it’s marginal on regular work and certainly not worth the 5k when alternatives do the same for a fraction of the price
I’m happy keeping my 25k in ny pocket thanks
For a comparison I spent 2k on a special hot box for pressure washing better spec than a doff (see prices) this has allowed me to do specialist brick cleaning and graffiti work and brought in 40k alone - now that’s a good investment
Darran
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I think people need to look at the amount of money the heaters are and what you are gonna get for your money,you will get the option to clean PVC cladding or timber to a much quicker and higher standard,you will be able to work in sub zero temps if you wish everything will remain frost free in your van regardless how cold it is outside. Hoses far more manageable day to day and that’s a big plus,above all you are able to trust the overall clean more if you clean quickly a lot of times with cold from the ground they look the same as with hot,in reality and I’ve prooved this when you do insides the results are very different.
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I think people need to look at the amount of money the heaters are and what you are gonna get for your money,you will get the option to clean PVC cladding or timber to a much quicker and higher standard,you will be able to work in sub zero temps if you wish everything will remain frost free in your van regardless how cold it is outside. Hoses far more manageable day to day and that’s a big plus,above all you are able to trust the overall clean more if you clean quickly a lot of times with cold from the ground they look the same as with hot,in reality and I’ve prooved this when you do insides the results are very different.
Disagree - TFR or other chemicals and pure water do an outstanding job
My vans are inside overnight so frost is not an issue
spend 25 quid and 2 hrs fitting an immersion for the same result
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Complete nonsense tfr chemicals with cold do not clean to the same standard as hot again I’ve cleaned this way with cold and hot,use tfr with hot and then look at the results.
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Complete nonsense tfr chemicals with cold do not clean to the same standard as hot again I’ve cleaned this way with cold and hot,use tfr with hot and then look at the results.
perhaps it highlights your not very good at cleaning ???
Darran
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Clean is clean, you can't get cleaner than clean- or you were never cleaning in the first place!! ;D
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I not knocking anyone for getting a diesel heater - they work - they are safe - they are a nice luxury to have what they are not are essential those spouting about quicker cleaning live in a fantasy land
Then you get Daz saying he wouldn’t go out in a sprinkling of snow ! Wow what was point of getting hot then ?
Still I’ll leave NWH and Daz to their hot diesel love in
Darran
i was joking!i probably would work in a bit of light snow.... ;D
hot is for all year round not just for a few days in winter.........
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I’m talking about the trim on PVC the small gap lines on roofs and windows,I’ve taken over jobs where bloke was cold,some of the trim had plant-grass growing out of it where it built up over time. Soon as I hit it with hot it came out like soil been in years.
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Yawn!
Yet again you make sweeping statements on your very, very limited experience - the chap you took over from would probably do just as s#!t job with hot 😂😂😂😂
Darran
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Install in the side of the tank, the lower down the better. 3kw would be best but you would need a sparky to fit a 16 amp socket.
I was going to plug my 3kw immersion into my extention socket that I run to my van to charge my leisure batteries is that no no?
I'm an electricians nightmare so I need some guidance 😅
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Install in the side of the tank, the lower down the better. 3kw would be best but you would need a sparky to fit a 16 amp socket.
I was going to plug my 3kw immersion into my extention socket that I run to my van to charge my leisure batteries is that no no?
I'm an electricians nightmare so I need some guidance 😅
id have a rethink if i were you jon......you could cause a fire.....pay for an electrician to rig you up a 16amp socket you tight git! ;D
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The chap who took over from
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I not knocking anyone for getting a diesel heater - they work - they are safe - they are a nice luxury to have what they are not are essential those spouting about quicker cleaning live in a fantasy land
Then you get Daz saying he wouldn’t go out in a sprinkling of snow ! Wow what was point of getting hot then ?
Still I’ll leave NWH and Daz to their hot diesel love in
Darran
diesel heaters are ace.....if i could of afforded one 8 and a half year ago when i first went WFP id of bought one.....you live and learn......
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Install in the side of the tank, the lower down the better. 3kw would be best but you would need a sparky to fit a 16 amp socket.
I was going to plug my 3kw immersion into my extention socket that I run to my van to charge my leisure batteries is that no no?
I'm an electricians nightmare so I need some guidance 😅
id have a rethink if i were you jon......you could cause a fire.....pay for an electrician to rig you up a 16amp socket you tight git! ;D
Not got a problem with paying an electrician, but I don't know what you mean
Where do you fix the socket?
Told you, I haven't got a clue
Just wondering what was wrong with Squeeky cleans setup in the video earlier in this thread, didn't look very dangerous to me
£50 for the setup as well☺️
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Install in the side of the tank, the lower down the better. 3kw would be best but you would need a sparky to fit a 16 amp socket.
I was going to plug my 3kw immersion into my extention socket that I run to my van to charge my leisure batteries is that no no?
I'm an electricians nightmare so I need some guidance 😅
id have a rethink if i were you jon......you could cause a fire.....pay for an electrician to rig you up a 16amp socket you tight git! ;D
Not got a problem with paying an electrician, but I don't know what you mean
Where do you fix the socket?
Told you, I haven't got a clue
Just wondering what was wrong with Squeeky cleans setup in the video earlier in this thread, didn't look very dangerous to me
£50 for the setup as well☺️
Squeeky's was a 2KW element. The standard "off the shelf" is 3KW. A 3KW element run from a normal 13amp socket will overload the electrics to the point of melting the plugs- trust me, I did it!! Personally, I wouldn't run 2KW constantly for such a long time either. Just like a domestic immersion heater or electric cooker, your van immersion heater need to be wired on it's own line dirct from the main consumer unit via 16amp cable, sockets/plugs/timer and breaker. All the parts are freely available and cheap- about £50 for everything mentioned above. It's also a very easy job for a sparky- the hardest bit being running a cable from consumer unit to a plug (internal or external) near your van. If your consumer unit is close to the point where you want the plug then it's even easier.
DO IT PROPERLY- IT'S CHEAP AND PRETTY SIMPLE AND COULD SAVE YOU BURNING YOUR HOUSE DOWN!
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try to get a 2kw as you won't need a 16amp socket or seperate cable to the fuse box
2kw should be fine to run for several hours its well inside the limit of 3kw - electric fires can be 2kw and are used over many hours
use good quality cable like artic flex and dont have it coiled uo
Darran
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Cheers Peavey and Smudger, I'm a real thicko😁