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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on October 31, 2018, 04:24:33 pm
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I want to learn about this subject as we are coming to "that" time of year.
My questions are.
What type and how powerful are the ones you use?
Where do you buy them?
What size tank are you warming and how warm does the water get?
Does the water stay warm all day?
Is the warm tank over night enough to keep the rest of your gear (hose reels ect) defrosted or do you also need another heater in the van?
Thanks for your help.
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Honestly theses new comers, comin on ere wantin aw this info handed to them on a plate! ;D
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I am getting ready to fit an Immersion heater myself so following this post with interest from others already doing this.
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I'm also interested - it's drilling the hole in my water tank that I'm perhaps a little concerned about! I don't want to end up with a whole load of leaks. Anyway the video below covers the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogw6FBV3suw
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There are a few topics on this if you search..personally i dont use one so not an expert, but i reckon you would need 3kw heaters (min) if you have 650 lt tanks in your vans (enough to keep hoses flexible during the day. 10 of those plugged in at night and i reckon you would need a small power station in your premises and would have to get your electrics looked at for sure.
Something to consider...
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I'm also interested - it's drilling the hole in my water tank that I'm perhaps a little concerned about! I don't want to end up with a whole load of leaks. Anyway the video below covers the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogw6FBV3suw
Makes it look easy, problem I have is I've got a Facelift compact tank which is a bit of a horse shoe shape inside so it won't distribute the heat. I'll follow the post and maybe fook my tank up next week!
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2kw immersions fitted to a 650litre van tank will do what you need it to.
The water should be 30 degrees ish in the tank, it will Stop The back of the van freezing, and will let you work during the day.
Power wise though for 10 vans that could really be an issue.
What static setup do you have Lee?
It might be more feasible to have immersions in your static tank.
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I have a 3kw element fitted in a 500 ltr tank.
A 16amp socket professionally fitted on the house with the correct cable and the shortest run to connect to the van.
Bought everything from tool station
Heated from 10pm till 1am and then again from 3 to 6.30am
Un insulated tank keeps everything in the back frost free.
Water gets to about 50* and stays warm all day
Only fault was I fitted it at arms length in depth, 2/3rds of the way down. So it’s takes 5 houses or so to run warm. If I can get a second hand tank I would fit one as close to the bottom as I could using the demos on YouTube
Great option for a sole trader who uses around his tank a day.
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The problem with having heat in static is your heating water you may not use - I have 2000 litres static but don’t heat that as the vans also come back with 1/4 or 1/2 tank some days so your then adding hot to a large amount of cold
If you use 3kw you will require 16 amp sockets and a separate fuse in the main board for each heater - if you have 3 phase you can possibly split that into single phase
I use 3 kw in 600 litres and the temp is around 50 degrees in the morning but the van is inside the unit - the tank is non insulated but water only drops 10 degrees over 6 hours
I have got 2 kw elements which I got direct from a manufacturer but not fitted them yet
Drilling a hole is very easy a hole saw set has the exact size required
Darran
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Gas costs about 1/3 as much to heat water as electricity. Have a central heating engineer fit a boiler in your unit with a heat exchanger inside your large static tank. (Or add a heat exchanger to the central heating if you already have it in your unit). You'll also need to insulate the van tanks.
That way you could use gas to heat the water and save enough compared to electricity that you could pay for someone to come in at 6am to fill the vans with hot.
Vin
Vin
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I have fitted 5, and gone through the 16amp upgrade with timers and external sockets to boot, however...... it'll cost you £500 for a personal consultation- based on it taking no longer than one hour over the phone!😘
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3kw in a 650, don't know what the temps are but the tank is like a giant radiator in the back of the van, keeps all the equipment warm.
The hoses are warm and supple still at 5 pm.
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Haha
I think I've waffled enough on this subject.
(not having a pop Lee, more me getting it in b4 anyone else 😂)
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I'm going to fit fan jets all around the base of my tank, when it gets really cold I'm then gonna cut the top off and jump in for 30 mins on breaks.
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where can you buy the 2000watt version?
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Few thoughts:
It takes 4200 joules to heat a litre of water by 1 dec C. So to heat 5,000 litres by 50 deg, you need to put in 1.05 billion joules.
1kWh is 3.6 million joules.
So, assuming no heat loss in your static you'll need 291kWh, which will cost around £35 a night, just under £9,000 a year. If you heat over 12 hours, you'll need 8 x 3kWh immersion heaters so you'll be drawing about 24kW, around 100A. You might well need professional help to solve that.
If you did it with gas it'd cost roughly £12 in gas a night.
However, the problem with gas is that the capacity of a normal central heating unit may well not be enough so you'll need an industrial heating expert. Then again, you'd take your annual heating cost down to £3,000 so that'd be cheap at the price.
Incidentally, you'd also produce around 25 tonnes of CO2 every year, so you might want to consider offsetting that in some way.
Vin
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Few thoughts:
It takes 4200 joules to heat a litre of water by 1 dec C. So to heat 5,000 litres by 50 deg, you need to put in 1.05 billion joules.
1kWh is 3.6 million joules.
So, assuming no heat loss in your static you'll need 291kWh, which will cost around £35 a night, just under £9,000 a year. If you heat over 12 hours, you'll need 8 x 3kWh immersion heaters so you'll be drawing about 24kW, around 100A. You might well need professional help to solve that.
If you did it with gas it'd cost roughly £12 in gas a night.
However, the problem with gas is that the capacity of a normal central heating unit may well not be enough so you'll need an industrial heating expert. Then again, you'd take your annual heating cost down to £3,000 so that'd be cheap at the price.
Incidentally, you'd also produce around 25 tonnes of CO2 every year, so you might want to consider offsetting that in some way.
Vin
That in itself is a whole new logistical issue.
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Vin at Perfect windows probably makes the best solution for a multivan operator.
For a sole trader, immersion is great and cheap to install.
For a multivan set up you need a more professional (legal/health and safety etc. - AND COST) approach.
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The more I’m thinking about this, I think diesel is the only option.
Yes it’s expensive, but it gives the results you will
Want.
Once it’s set up, it will only cost for 10 vans about £50 per day in running costs.
I’d start with your best employees vans and roll them out once every couple of months or so. Within 18 months they all will Have hot water.
Both gas and electric seem very difficult and costly long term for 10 + vans.
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On my tank I have the 3 kW but have the flow controller set on 20 with 2 ball valves fitted .
This improves the temp by pumping from the bottom of the tank and directing it via 15mm push first pipes to the top of the tank. The result the whole tank is warm instead of the top.
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On my tank I have the 3 kW but have the flow controller set on 20 with 2 ball valves fitted .
This improves the temp by pumping from the bottom of the tank and directing it via 15mm push first pipes to the top of the tank. The result the whole tank is warm instead of the top.
Would love to see pics or a video of this set up please.
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We have an electrician on site here. He and I are looking at making a pump and heater element box that circulates water from the tank through the reel and back to the tank while heating it. or using the tanks pump and just having a heater element like the one hot tubs have
Or an aquarium heater my lads can just drop into the tank over night. We only want this for winter use to stop freezing overnight and through the work day. Summer is fine with chemicals.
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Lee
I thought you had an idea for heating water in the pipeline last year.
You were thinking of bringing it to the market.
What happened?
Tris
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couldn't make the technology work. What we are thinking of now will work fine. Just thinking it through now.
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Well done for having a go.
I do think there is a gap in the market for a reasonably priced , efficient and safe water heating system for our trade.
T
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Vin
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Is there an actual need to do so, because one's have stuck an immersion inside a secure tank in their van?
What am I missing for the need to inform the insurance company
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Well done for having a go.
I do think there is a gap in the market for a reasonably priced , efficient and safe water heating system for our trade.
T
there already is.......a webasto 9kw diesel heater with frost stat feature.....costs around £4-£5 per working day in diesel.....ok a fairly high initial investment but these things last 10 years+ with the odd service here and there......
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Is there an actual need to do so, because one's have stuck an immersion inside a secure tank in their van?
What am I missing for the need to inform the insurance company
Because if you don't tell the insurance company and there's a fire as a result of your modification, they won't pay out.
Vin
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over the course of 10 years a brand new professionally fitted diesel heater in a new van that you plan to keep for 10 years will cost you around £27 a week(including initial costs and say 3 services in that time plus diesel costs(£80 a month for 10 months each year)so around £14k...
if you earn (say £50k a year),thats £500k in 10 years is £14k acceptable to have hot water every working day for 10 years?
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Is there an actual need to do so, because one's have stuck an immersion inside a secure tank in their van?
What am I missing for the need to inform the insurance company
Because if you don't tell the insurance company and there's a fire as a result of your modification, they won't pay out.
Vin
Can you provide evidence of your statement? I would be very interested to see it.
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Is there an actual need to do so, because one's have stuck an immersion inside a secure tank in their van?
What am I missing for the need to inform the insurance company
Because if you don't tell the insurance company and there's a fire as a result of your modification, they won't pay out.
Vin
That would only be the case if its totally miss wired in the first place and only then if someone hasn't got a cut out fuse ox which again is very unlikely.
But I can see your point.
However, even on my faulty immersion I never had a problem with over heated live wires and most I would imagine know to use a dedicated line with a 3kw element, perhaps artic wiring for added protection and also the higher fuse required.
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Where is the best place to buy a diesel heater?
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Is there an actual need to do so, because one's have stuck an immersion inside a secure tank in their van?
What am I missing for the need to inform the insurance company
Because if you don't tell the insurance company and there's a fire as a result of your modification, they won't pay out.
Vin
That would only be the case if its totally miss wired in the first place and only then if someone hasn't got a cut out fuse ox which again is very unlikely.
But I can see your point.
However, even on my faulty immersion I never had a problem with over heated live wires and most I would imagine know to use a dedicated line with a 3kw element, perhaps artic wiring for added protection and also the higher fuse required.
Someone only needs to have an extension lead that hasn’t been adequately uncoiled to start a fire with one of those things. Nothing to do with mis-wiring.
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Where is the best place to buy a diesel heater?
mine cost me £4,500 including installation,2 x numax 105ah batteries,smart split relay charger,cabinet,controller,fittings,hose,exhaust,etc.....but £750 was VAT so if your VAT registered youd be able to claim that back.....GRIPPATANK HYDROHEAT 9KW HEATER.......
i dont think you d be able to install one yourself unless your an ex mechanic/technical type of guy......
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over the course of 10 years a brand new professionally fitted diesel heater in a new van that you plan to keep for 10 years will cost you around £27 a week(including initial costs and say 3 services in that time plus diesel costs(£80 a month for 10 months each year)so around £14k...
if you earn (say £50k a year),thats £500k in 10 years is £14k acceptable to have hot water every working day for 10 years?
I’d say a big yes! But then again I am Biased now. ;D
Day of tinkering with it tomorrow at work. Love it so far though.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1541123163_6D6B2E64-6280-449C-B776-7763400DA1C6.jpeg)
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Vin
I have. I have always been honest with them declaring any mods. They have asked me to replace the cables regularly?
Whether they would be as honest as I have if needed, I doubt it
Tony
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Daz said:
over the course of 10 years a brand new professionally fitted diesel heater in a new van that you plan to keep for 10 years will cost you around £27 a week(including initial costs and say 3 services in that time plus diesel costs(£80 a month for 10 months each year)so around £14k...
if you earn (say £50k a year),thats £500k in 10 years is £14k acceptable to have hot water every working day for 10 years?
I gave your comment a "like" - but for arguments sake let's say that hot lets you go on average 20% faster and earns you 10K more than you would have otherwise done. (Figure plucked out of my derriere ;D)
So now that's £100K EXTRA over ten years for 14K investment.
Still looks good.
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over the course of 10 years a brand new professionally fitted diesel heater in a new van that you plan to keep for 10 years will cost you around £27 a week(including initial costs and say 3 services in that time plus diesel costs(£80 a month for 10 months each year)so around £14k...
if you earn (say £50k a year),thats £500k in 10 years is £14k acceptable to have hot water every working day for 10 years?
I’d say a big yes! But then again I am Biased now. ;D
Day of tinkering with it tomorrow at work. Love it so far though.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1541123163_6D6B2E64-6280-449C-B776-7763400DA1C6.jpeg)
no need to tinker with it jonny!just press a button and go to work! :)
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Daz said:
over the course of 10 years a brand new professionally fitted diesel heater in a new van that you plan to keep for 10 years will cost you around £27 a week(including initial costs and say 3 services in that time plus diesel costs(£80 a month for 10 months each year)so around £14k...
if you earn (say £50k a year),thats £500k in 10 years is £14k acceptable to have hot water every working day for 10 years?
I gave your comment a "like" - but for arguments sake let's say that hot lets you go on average 20% faster and earns you 10K more than you would have otherwise done. (Figure plucked out of my derriere ;D)
So now that's £100K EXTRA over ten years for 14K investment.
Still looks good.
i used to smoke and drink and take illegal drugs for over 15 years malc...God knows how much i spent!rough estimates are £80k-£100k....and i always ended up feeling a lot worse after briefly feeling better,i also missed lots of days at work from being hungover so you could add a few grand extra on top of them figures in lost earnings......
£14k is a drop in the ocean for a low hassle hot water system with no worries about freezing issues overnight,a more comfortable working day and easier cleaning all year round.....as for cleaning 20% more....i dont....i just finish earlier and have more confidence when "splashing and dashing".....add ons are easier for sure esp in the warmer months when the water at brush end is 60c+.....same for them less frequent cleans,first cleans etc......
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My sums don’t add up here , you say 3 services in 10 years.
Grippa say service every year or the warranty goes out the window ?
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i used to smoke and drink and take illegal drugs for over 15 years malc...God knows how much i spent!rough estimates are £80k-£100k....and i always ended up feeling a lot worse after briefly feeling better,i also missed lots of days at work from being hungover so you could add a few grand extra on top of them figures in lost earnings......
You only spent £100k over 15 years on drugs, Cigs and alcohol Daz? That’s only £7k a year. I’ve had single sessions that cost more than that. Disappointed in you Daz, thought you used to be hardcore the way you bang on about your addictions ‘back in the day’! 😂😂
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Vin
I have. I have always been honest with them declaring any mods. They have asked me to replace the cables regularly?
Whether they would be as honest as I have if needed, I doubt it
Tony
Good to hear it. Wasn't sure if they'd say "no chance".
About a year after I started, I asked my broker to check I was covered to carry a petrol generator (for a gutter vac). They phoned the insurers who, I kid you not, told the broker they were cancelling my insurance from midnight. My broker pointed out it was just an enquiry and they said they didn't care, my cover was over. In the manner of 'dump and replace with tw'o, my broker sorted me out a cheaper deal immediately.
So, I would never, ever take it on trust that an insurer would do something normal.
Vin
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Of those who have immersions in their vans, have any of you 'fessed up to your insurers? Not just that you have hot water but also the way you heat it? I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
Vin
I have. I have always been honest with them declaring any mods. They have asked me to replace the cables regularly?
Whether they would be as honest as I have if needed, I doubt it
Tony
Good to hear it. Wasn't sure if they'd say "no chance".
About a year after I started, I asked my broker to check I was covered to carry a petrol generator (for a gutter vac). They phoned the insurers who, I kid you not, told the broker they were cancelling my insurance from midnight. My broker pointed out it was just an enquiry and they said they didn't care, my cover was over. In the manner of 'dump and replace with tw'o, my broker sorted me out a cheaper deal immediately.
So, I would never, ever take it on trust that an insurer would do something normal.
Vin
True
Also, Never ever EVER trust an insurance broker. Especially one that has just charged you a second fee for organising your insurance.
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That would only be the case if its totally miss wired in the first place and only then if someone hasn't got a cut out fuse ox which again is very unlikely.
But I can see your point.
I agree - wired correctly and with an RCD and a temperature cut-out it shouldn't fail catastrophically. But I'm also aware of the numbskull questions people have asked about fitting them so I suspect some might not be perfectly well fitted.
And if something does go wrong, all the insurer has to say is "You're running vehicle with an extra risk without telling us. We would have charged you £100 extra if you'd told us so you were fiddling your premium. We're not paying out". Even if you were able to sort it out in the end you'd go through a world of pain dealing with it. And a long time without payout.
So I was just interested to hear if anyone had mentioned it and what the response was.
Vin
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True
Also, Never ever EVER trust an insurance broker. Especially one that has just charged you a second fee for organising your insurance.
Indeed. I ended up paying less, so I really didn't care in the end.
Vin
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i used to smoke and drink and take illegal drugs for over 15 years malc...God knows how much i spent!rough estimates are £80k-£100k....and i always ended up feeling a lot worse after briefly feeling better,i also missed lots of days at work from being hungover so you could add a few grand extra on top of them figures in lost earnings......
You only spent £100k over 15 years on drugs, Cigs and alcohol Daz? That’s only £7k a year. I’ve had single sessions that cost more than that. Disappointed in you Daz, thought you used to be hardcore the way you bang on about your addictions ‘back in the day’! 😂😂
probably a lot more than that but.........my memories are a little hazy! ;D ;D ;D ;D.....
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My sums don’t add up here , you say 3 services in 10 years.
Grippa say service every year or the warranty goes out the window ?
pure freedom told me they dont need servicing every year(they are webasto specialists).they can go on for years without a service!i will get the burner replaced and batteries etc in a couple of years but no need at present.....mines nearly a year old now...
nigel ran his for 10 YEARS on the same burner!
grippa warranty is only 3 years anyway.....
both grippa and pure freedom told me to run my diesel heater all day every day with minimum shut down cycles and thats exactly how i run mine,...i keep it running between jobs and even at lunchtime usually...... ;)
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How much weight does one of these diesel heaters add to your van?
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Right I may be wrong here , but I was always under the impression if it runs on diesel service it every year or it will knack
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Daz said:
over the course of 10 years a brand new professionally fitted diesel heater in a new van that you plan to keep for 10 years will cost you around £27 a week(including initial costs and say 3 services in that time plus diesel costs(£80 a month for 10 months each year)so around £14k...
if you earn (say £50k a year),thats £500k in 10 years is £14k acceptable to have hot water every working day for 10 years?
I gave your comment a "like" - but for arguments sake let's say that hot lets you go on average 20% faster and earns you 10K more than you would have otherwise done. (Figure plucked out of my derriere ;D)
So now that's £100K EXTRA over ten years for 14K investment.
Still looks good.
I'm in my 50s and if I put my mind to it I can clean a four bed detached property in around 10mins using cold water and an xtreme medium mixed brush, (my customers are my judge of quality ) I can understand an immersion for the winter temps and supple hoses but Dazmond's hot system makes absolutely no financial sense what so ever.
I would say £14k wont come close over 10 years, remember if selling the van it all has to be removed, but even at that
£1400 worth of work a year that you need to clean just to stand still certainly has nothing to do with making life easier.
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Daz said:
over the course of 10 years a brand new professionally fitted diesel heater in a new van that you plan to keep for 10 years will cost you around £27 a week(including initial costs and say 3 services in that time plus diesel costs(£80 a month for 10 months each year)so around £14k...
if you earn (say £50k a year),thats £500k in 10 years is £14k acceptable to have hot water every working day for 10 years?
I gave your comment a "like" - but for arguments sake let's say that hot lets you go on average 20% faster and earns you 10K more than you would have otherwise done. (Figure plucked out of my derriere ;D)
So now that's £100K EXTRA over ten years for 14K investment.
Still looks good.
I'm in my 50s and if I put my mind to it I can clean a four bed detached property in around 10mins using cold water and an xtreme medium mixed brush, (my customers are my judge of quality ) I can understand an immersion for the winter temps and supple hoses but Dazmond's hot system makes absolutely no financial sense what so ever.
I would say £14k wont come close over 10 years, remember if selling the van it all has to be removed, but even at that
£1400 worth of work a year that you need to clean just to stand still certainly has nothing to do with making life easier.
I agree to a certain extent.
Having installed a c****y gas boiler for hot water, I cleaned a small glass conservatory roof yesterday afternoon that was last cleaned 6 years ago (a job that i hate, really really hate) and normally it would take me around 2-3 hours. Well i was surprised how well hot water cleans conservatory roofs , the job was done in 45 mins..i felt guilty TBH but it was cleaned so well there really was no point staying longer. Whacked up the temp to 65, and all the green muck, moss stains, and general crud just melted away.
I haven't noticed a huge difference in cleaning power with normal windows though, its about the same as cold in my opinion pehaps the vertical position of the window doesnt allow the hot water to 'work' the surface like a conservatory roof? I dont know..
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Daz said:
over the course of 10 years a brand new professionally fitted diesel heater in a new van that you plan to keep for 10 years will cost you around £27 a week(including initial costs and say 3 services in that time plus diesel costs(£80 a month for 10 months each year)so around £14k...
if you earn (say £50k a year),thats £500k in 10 years is £14k acceptable to have hot water every working day for 10 years?
I gave your comment a "like" - but for arguments sake let's say that hot lets you go on average 20% faster and earns you 10K more than you would have otherwise done. (Figure plucked out of my derriere ;D)
So now that's £100K EXTRA over ten years for 14K investment.
Still looks good.
I'm in my 50s and if I put my mind to it I can clean a four bed detached property in around 10mins using cold water and an xtreme medium mixed brush, (my customers are my judge of quality ) I can understand an immersion for the winter temps and supple hoses but Dazmond's hot system makes absolutely no financial sense what so ever.
I would say £14k wont come close over 10 years, remember if selling the van it all has to be removed, but even at that
£1400 worth of work a year that you need to clean just to stand still certainly has nothing to do with making life easier.
I agree to a certain extent.
Having installed a c****y gas boiler for hot water, I cleaned a small glass conservatory roof yesterday afternoon that was last cleaned 6 years ago (a job that i hate, really really hate) and normally it would take me around 2-3 hours. Well i was surprised how well hot water cleans conservatory roofs , the job was done in 45 mins..i felt guilty TBH but it was cleaned so well there really was no point staying longer. Whacked up the temp to 65, and all the green muck, moss stains, and general crud just melted away.
I haven't noticed a huge difference in cleaning power with normal windows though, its about the same as cold in my opinion pehaps the vertical position of the window doesnt allow the hot water to 'work' the surface like a conservatory roof? I dont know..
you ve only been using hot water for 5 mins....what about the longer frequency cleans(8-12 weekly) and first cleans you do?you ll notice theyll be easier to clean for sure with hot water.... ;)
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Exactly, it would be foolish to say that hot water doesn't clean better but this will only be a benefit when better is needed, when I tested hot I wasn't really getting or doing any work that needed it.
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My opinion is hot water is nice, it’s easier to work with. But it makes no more money than cold.
There is no way I clean more windows with hot water than cold, it’s more of a luxury than a money maker.
It’s the exact same thing with my electric hose reel, it makes me no more money, i still do the same rounds as I did without one, it’s just easier, and that really is the only benefit, easier work.
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if you can afford it why not buy(and have installed)a diesel heater to make your working life easier?if your earning well out of window cleaning £1400 a year to have a low hassle, safe way of heating water every day and frost protection to boot is not too expensive,i bet my diesel costs are still lower than some of you guys WITHOUT a diesel heater!as i do very little mileage(less than 4000 miles a year),i have very low tap tds(029!) and i earn over £40k a year.it wont be long before i hit the £50k mark i reckon over the next few years.......
ive experimented with various DIY hot systems over the years and its not for me anymore.....
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if you can afford it why not buy(and have installed)a diesel heater to make your working life easier?if your earning well out of window cleaning £1400 a year to have a low hassle, safe way of heating water every day and frost protection to boot is not too expensive,i bet my diesel costs are still lower than some of you guys WITHOUT a diesel heater!as i do very little mileage(less than 4000 miles a year),i have very low tap tds(029!) and i earn over £40k a year.it wont be long before i hit the £50k mark i reckon over the next few years.......
ive experimented with various DIY hot systems over the years and its not for me anymore.....
Daz you might want to consider going LTD status. Sole trader earning near 50k a year its not worth it with the amount of tax you will be paying..assuming of course you are declaring your income. ;D
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How much weight does one of these diesel heaters add to your van?
not sure but i cant see it being heavier than the 50L trolley i used to have in the back of my old van! ;D
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When you use the recirculation loop on the grippa is it purely to keep hot in the hoses or does it raise the tank water by a significant amount .
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if you can afford it why not buy(and have installed)a diesel heater to make your working life easier?if your earning well out of window cleaning £1400 a year to have a low hassle, safe way of heating water every day and frost protection to boot is not too expensive,i bet my diesel costs are still lower than some of you guys WITHOUT a diesel heater!as i do very little mileage(less than 4000 miles a year),i have very low tap tds(029!) and i earn over £40k a year.it wont be long before i hit the £50k mark i reckon over the next few years.......
ive experimented with various DIY hot systems over the years and its not for me anymore.....
Daz you might want to consider going LTD status. Sole trader earning near 50k a year its not worth it with the amount of tax you will be paying..assuming of course you are declaring your income. ;D
cheers mate..ill look into it when im nearly there......another 2 years i reckon with a few price rises and a few better priced jobs.... :)
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When you use the recirculation loop on the grippa is it purely to keep hot in the hoses or does it raise the tank water by a significant amount .
of course it raises the temperature of the water in the tank as its recirculating.i dont how how long you would have to run it to have a hot 500l tank of water though(probably 8 hours like an immersion!)......these systems are built as on demand type systems......
some guys though have a separate pump pumping hot water back to the tank as well as the one their using for poling and by lunchtime they turn off the heater(in the summer months anyway)the waters that hot(obviously theres less and less water to heat up)
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Cheers Daz as that scenario you describe was which direction i would take if i ever got one .
That alone could cut running costs by a fair amount , it would be of benefit to the burner too , i hear constant running is far better as it reduces coking up .
Sadly i could only get one if i reduce tank size or grow my van a bit ;D ;D ;D
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Cheers Daz as that scenario you describe was which direction i would take if i ever got one .
That alone could cut running costs by a fair amount , it would be of benefit to the burner too , i hear constant running is far better as it reduces coking up .
Sadly i could only get one if i reduce tank size or grow my van a bit ;D ;D ;D
i keep mine running from when i switch it on in the morning before a leave for work until just after the last job of the day.....sometimes i turn if off at lunchtime but not very often.....
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There must be some truth in it as i have talked to S.A.J and Hotwash in the past about it , they both have the Varitech versions , S.A.J runs or did run them as on demand and had various burner issues , Hotwash heats full time on recirc and has had no issues whatsoever .
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I’m like a kid with a new toy.
I wasn’t supppsed to work yeaterday as it was early hours of the morning thatbwe got home from grippatank. ( 8 hour drive stick in traffic)
By yesterday lunch I was itching to go out and use it, so I did 4 hours work. (Incidentally that would normally take me 4 hours 30 to do. is that placebo? Windows weren’t that dirty? Who knows yet.) I love it!
Still Getting used to it all, but I wish I’d gone this route sooner.
Can’t fault the grippa guys.
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Another thing that sticks in my mind is vans with DPF's , not exactly the same , but lots have problems with regen as they do short trips , I have DPF and it has not activated in the 3 years i have had the van , I do a 10 mile motorway journey each way to and from my work .
Could well be the reason above !
Which reminds me , I must only have 12 months left to clear my van , perhaps i might get a Grippa for next winter , Im thinking Doblo next time :D
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My sums don’t add up here , you say 3 services in 10 years.
Grippa say service every year or the warranty goes out the window ?
pure freedom told me they dont need servicing every year(they are webasto specialists).they can go on for years without a service!i will get the burner replaced and batteries etc in a couple of years but no need at present.....mines nearly a year old now...
nigel ran his for 10 YEARS on the same burner!
grippa warranty is only 3 years anyway.....
both grippa and pure freedom told me to run my diesel heater all day every day with minimum shut down cycles and thats exactly how i run mine,...i keep it running between jobs and even at lunchtime usually...... ;)
Daz it would be a shame if you didn’t have it Serviced, then in 6 months time something goes wrong and your warranty is void. If you don’t have it serviced your not covered.
For the first three years I’m Definitely getting it serviced by grippa, then after that I will see what’s what.
Also....... do you plug back into your return feed between jobs?
I was running it on one pump yesterday, and noticed in about 5 mins of no use, (water turned off at pole) that it went into stand by mode. Then you’d hear the jet take off again as it got to full heat.
I’m now using it with one side feeeing back to my tank, and one side for me. This way it’s constantly running.
My cabinet is pretty cool, because i can have the return pump side on the temperature setting, showing me the temp of water in my tank. Then once my tank gets to 50 degrees or so I’ll power down the heater.
It’s a trial and error at the moment, but even on the minimum heat setting I was getting 60 degrees at the brush head (hose coiled up and heater at full operating temperature on one reel)
When I put it on max I literally couldn’t hold my hand under the water.
It’s a pretty versatile unit.
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There must be some truth in it as i have talked to S.A.J and Hotwash in the past about it , they both have the Varitech versions , S.A.J runs or did run them as on demand and had various burner issues , Hotwash heats full time on recirc and has had no issues whatsoever .
thats how i run mine rich.....i dont let it go into its shut down cycle when moving from job to job...i plug it back into the tank when driving...... :).....it has a short standby mode(half heat mode)that lasts a couple of mins so gives me time to drag the hose to my next house without shutting down....if a customer makes me a brew i simply plug back into the tank(or leave the pole tap open)....
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My sums don’t add up here , you say 3 services in 10 years.
Grippa say service every year or the warranty goes out the window ?
pure freedom told me they dont need servicing every year(they are webasto specialists).they can go on for years without a service!i will get the burner replaced and batteries etc in a couple of years but no need at present.....mines nearly a year old now...
nigel ran his for 10 YEARS on the same burner!
grippa warranty is only 3 years anyway.....
both grippa and pure freedom told me to run my diesel heater all day every day with minimum shut down cycles and thats exactly how i run mine,...i keep it running between jobs and even at lunchtime usually...... ;)
Daz it would be a shame if you didn’t have it Serviced, then in 6 months time something goes wrong and your warranty is void. If you don’t have it serviced your not covered.
For the first three years I’m Definitely getting it serviced by grippa, then after that I will see what’s what.
Also....... do you plug back into your return feed between jobs?
I was running it on one pump yesterday, and noticed in about 5 mins of no use, (water turned off at pole) that it went into stand by mode. Then you’d hear the jet take off again as it got to full heat.
I’m now using it with one side feeeing back to my tank, and one side for me. This way it’s constantly running.
My cabinet is pretty cool, because i can have the return pump side on the temperature setting, showing me the temp of water in my tank. Then once my tank gets to 50 degrees or so I’ll power down the heater.
It’s a trial and error at the moment, but even on the minimum heat setting I was getting 60 degrees at the brush head (hose coiled up and heater at full operating temperature on one reel)
When I put it on max I literally couldn’t hold my hand under the water.
It’s a pretty versatile unit.
if grippa had a driveway service for heater servicing id defo have it done jonny but i cant be arsed driving all the way down to cambridgeshire.....its too far away...pure freedom is nearer and i can get to and back from there in a day so ill be using pure freedom for servicing......
theres not that much to go wrong with them mate if you keep them going all day every day with minimum shut downs and start ups.......
YES i always plug back into the tank when driving to my next job or having lunch/coffee break etc.....
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also jonny you live even further away than me!so are you gonna drive down to cambridgeshire every year for a few days and get it serviced for £447?(including VAT)for 3 years costing you £1341-00(and thats not including work days lost,fuel driving there and back and accommodation).
you d be better finding a webasto service engineer nearer home IMO.....
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also jonny you live even further away than me!so are you gonna drive down to cambridgeshire every year for a few days and get it serviced for £447?(including VAT)for 3 years costing you £1341-00(and thats not including work days lost,fuel driving there and back and accommodation).
you d be better finding a webasto service engineer nearer home IMO.....
4 times a year they come up to Scotland for servicing, installs etc. I chose to come to Cambridge to get mine fitted as its there main hub.
For servicing I’ll drive about an hour to get there. 447 per year is worth it for the warranty I think mate.
It’s all good until, something goes wrong. Like you say though, they are very reliable units.
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also jonny you live even further away than me!so are you gonna drive down to cambridgeshire every year for a few days and get it serviced for £447?(including VAT)for 3 years costing you £1341-00(and thats not including work days lost,fuel driving there and back and accommodation).
you d be better finding a webasto service engineer nearer home IMO.....
4 times a year they come up to Scotland for servicing, installs etc. I chose to come to Cambridge to get mine fitted as its there main hub.
For servicing I’ll drive about an hour to get there. 447 per year is worth it for the warranty I think mate.
It’s all good until, something goes wrong. Like you say though, they are very reliable units.
its ok if you dont have to drive too far...i thought you d have to drive 300 miles every year to get it serviced! ;D ;D
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also jonny you live even further away than me!so are you gonna drive down to cambridgeshire every year for a few days and get it serviced for £447?(including VAT)for 3 years costing you £1341-00(and thats not including work days lost,fuel driving there and back and accommodation).
you d be better finding a webasto service engineer nearer home IMO.....
4 times a year they come up to Scotland for servicing, installs etc. I chose to come to Cambridge to get mine fitted as its there main hub.
For servicing I’ll drive about an hour to get there. 447 per year is worth it for the warranty I think mate.
It’s all good until, something goes wrong. Like you say though, they are very reliable units.
its ok if you dont have to drive too far...i thought you d have to drive 300 miles every year to get it serviced! ;D ;D
Thankfully not.
Although the wife enjoyed Cambridge, so I bet she wouldn’t mind. ;D
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Surely they can't be too dissimilar to a domestic oil fired boiler? Couldn't a suitably qualified plumber service these units?
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With frost stat feature, is the whine of it firing up and heating then circulating the water noisy?
Does it attract attention from neighbours?
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With frost stat feature, is the whine of it firing up and heating then circulating the water noisy?
Does it attract attention from neighbours?
It sounds like a jumbo jet on tick over when it fires up in the middle of the night...it doesn't bother me or my neighbours although I did have one who banged on my door and woke me up as he thought there was something wrong with the van! ;D
He's fine with it now!😀
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Surely they can't be too dissimilar to a domestic oil fired boiler? Couldn't a suitably qualified plumber service these units?
They basically change the burner and glow plug
as a matter of course when servicing but I think u need a webasto trained engineer to do the job.....I've not been able to source a local one yet.....
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Surely they can't be too dissimilar to a domestic oil fired boiler? Couldn't a suitably qualified plumber service these units?
They basically change the burner and glow plug
as a matter of course when servicing but I think u need a webasto trained engineer to do the job.....I've not been able to source a local one yet.....
When I had my purefreedom diesel heater I went to a webasto accredited service engineer for a service, it was only 25 miles from my house, I’m sure there will be someone near Manchester who could carry out a service for you.
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My sums don’t add up here , you say 3 services in 10 years.
Grippa say service every year or the warranty goes out the window ?
pure freedom told me they dont need servicing every year(they are webasto specialists).they can go on for years without a service!i will get the burner replaced and batteries etc in a couple of years but no need at present.....mines nearly a year old now...
nigel ran his for 10 YEARS on the same burner!
grippa warranty is only 3 years anyway.....
both grippa and pure freedom told me to run my diesel heater all day every day with minimum shut down cycles and thats exactly how i run mine,...i keep it running between jobs and even at lunchtime usually...... ;)
Mine is a Grippatank 9 kw it’s now 4 years old never been serviced and runs 8 hours a day five days a week Ime no good at maths but that’s a lot of hours , I phoned a wabasto dealer about servicing and he said it either works or it doesn’t there is nothing to service , he said when it stops working is the time to replace the screen and pin , he could have easily sold me a service but didn’t so this clearly shows that they don’t need servicing , only thing he did say was don’t ever use red diesel in it . The Americans run there heaters occasionally with kerosene as this burns off the soot and carbon on the screen making it last longer
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When you use the recirculation loop on the grippa is it purely to keep hot in the hoses or does it raise the tank water by a significant amount .
of course it raises the temperature of the water in the tank as its recirculating.i dont how how long you would have to run it to have a hot 500l tank of water though(probably 8 hours like an immersion!)......these systems are built as on demand type systems......
some guys though have a separate pump pumping hot water back to the tank as well as the one their using for poling and by lunchtime they turn off the heater(in the summer months anyway)the waters that hot(obviously theres less and less water to heat up)
I have a 1000 ltr tank by lunch time there is about 500 left and it’s that hot you cannot put your hand in the tank that’s just from the return water from two hosereels between jobs , I checked the temperature at the brush last week with two hose reels extended out aprox 80 meters and it was 60 degrees , air temperature was 8 degrees
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The only bit i dont quite understand with these heaters is the power consumption , something like 30 amp on fire up , does this mean that it takes 30 amps just to fire it up then while its running its self supporting if you get what i mean .
So if you where to run it from an 85 amp leisure battery with no charging facility you would get 2 fire ups before the battery was flat ?
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The only bit i dont quite understand with these heaters is the power consumption , something like 30 amp on fire up , does this mean that it takes 30 amps just to fire it up then while its running its self supporting if you get what i mean .
So if you where to run it from an 85 amp leisure battery with no charging facility you would get 2 fire ups before the battery was flat ?
I think they join two 110ah batteries in parallel and have them charged off a b2b charging unit.
Would have thought that’d be ample, especially if they’re leaving the heater on all day as they’ll only have that initial draw once.
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The only bit i dont quite understand with these heaters is the power consumption , something like 30 amp on fire up , does this mean that it takes 30 amps just to fire it up then while its running its self supporting if you get what i mean .
So if you where to run it from an 85 amp leisure battery with no charging facility you would get 2 fire ups before the battery was flat ?
2x105 Ah numax batteries in tandem with a smart split charge relay kit keeps the batteries topped up rich.....mine never go below 12.4 during the day(I also run an electric PF reelmaster off them as well)these chargers are capable of putting a much higher charge into the batteries compared to standard split relays mate.....
I still connect a numax connect and forget commercial charger to the batteries overnight rich to keep them in tip top condition.i also do very little mileage....
If you do a fair bit of mileage you wouldn't have to do this.i normally only do around 10 miles a day....
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I also fire up the heater while the van engines running first thing in the morning before I leave for work so I've got hot water for my first job of the day....it's ace... 8)
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The only bit i dont quite understand with these heaters is the power consumption , something like 30 amp on fire up , does this mean that it takes 30 amps just to fire it up then while its running its self supporting if you get what i mean .
So if you where to run it from an 85 amp leisure battery with no charging facility you would get 2 fire ups before the battery was flat ?
I think they join two 110ah batteries in parallel and have them charged off a b2b charging unit.
Would have thought that’d be ample, especially if they’re leaving the heater on all day as they’ll only have that initial draw once.
Bang on that mate....
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Get my new 9kw landscape heater Wednesday lol can’t wait.
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Get my new 9kw landscape heater Wednesday lol can’t wait.
That’s what I got. Love it. I didn’t expect to get the landscape cabinet too, but that’s how they fitted it. Works brilliant.
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Get my new 9kw landscape heater Wednesday lol can’t wait.
You 'll love it Nigel!are u getting the retro fit with the portrait cabinet like mine mate?
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Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.
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I put landscape cabinet Daz it’s the lower wider version,I wanted that shaped 1 this time.
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Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.
If you ever needed proof that hot users haven't a clue then this is it, he actually believes you cant keep PVC clean unless you use hot.
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Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.
If you ever needed proof that hot users haven't a clue then this is it, he actually believes you cant keep PVC clean unless you use hot.
Would you not agree that even on a small scale this could be true?
Certain frames I clean with tfr Come up a lot whiter than with cold pure alone. Little channels and grooves in the Pvc loosen all the small bits of algae etc that cold water doesn’t really touch unless you spend a long time, and on a regular clean who really is going To do that?
Hot water could help. Just food for thought.
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Jonny did u see reflections post on servicing his 9kw hydroheat?
HE S NEVER HAD IT SERVICED IN 4 YEARS!and it works just the same as the day he first used it.he also uses his all day everyday.....
these heaters are very reliable....
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Another thing that sticks in my mind is vans with DPF's , not exactly the same , but lots have problems with regen as they do short trips , I have DPF and it has not activated in the 3 years i have had the van , I do a 10 mile motorway journey each way to and from my work .
Could well be the reason above !
Which reminds me , I must only have 12 months left to clear my van , perhaps i might get a Grippa for next winter , Im thinking Doblo next time :D
You 've been in this game a fair while mate......treat yourself!a bigger van,500l tank and a hot grippa system....trust me you won't regret it! their ace....
With the smart split charge relay and 2×105ah batteries plus electric reel you 'll be laughing...
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Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.
If you ever needed proof that hot users haven't a clue then this is it, he actually believes you cant keep PVC clean unless you use hot.
Would you not agree that even on a small scale this could be true?
Certain frames I clean with tfr Come up a lot whiter than with cold pure alone. Little channels and grooves in the Pvc loosen all the small bits of algae etc that cold water doesn’t really touch unless you spend a long time, and on a regular clean who really is going To do that?
Hot water could help. Just food for thought.
We heard the same with Vision, PPB and all the other nonsense that guys who don't understand what they're doing fall for,
there was even a hot user a while back talking about microscopic dirt, yep removing dirt that we cant see is really going to help get one over on the competition.
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Another thing that sticks in my mind is vans with DPF's , not exactly the same , but lots have problems with regen as they do short trips , I have DPF and it has not activated in the 3 years i have had the van , I do a 10 mile motorway journey each way to and from my work .
Could well be the reason above !
Which reminds me , I must only have 12 months left to clear my van , perhaps i might get a Grippa for next winter , Im thinking Doblo next time :D
You 've been in this game a fair while mate......treat yourself!a bigger van,500l tank and a hot grippa system....trust me you won't regret it! their ace....
With the smart split charge relay and 2×105ah batteries plus electric reel you 'll be laughing...
Daz , you should know me after 9 years I think it is , I'm DIY through and through unless the said item is close costing off the shelf , and in this case its not the case is it !
Or am i just tight , you decide ;D ;D ;D
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Comparing vision to hot water says it all really get a hot system and then you can start commenting in an honest sensible manner,people with this view haven’t had a hot system and they are giving opinions without experience of using hot water. Did a weatherboard clean a few weeks ago with cold took twice as long to clean with the result being it was cleaned but not as deeper clean as with hot.
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Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.
If you ever needed proof that hot users haven't a clue then this is it, he actually believes you cant keep PVC clean unless you use hot.
Think it's a bit unfair to compare other hot users on what NWH posts ;D
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If you’ve used hot water and I’m not talking about emmersion hot water you’d know it is better to use for comfort and cleaning power there’s no argument let’s be honest,I wouldn’t be laying out another 4 odd thousand if I’d continue to get away with cold water day in day out it just does the job to a higher standard.
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2 more days till my van goes in for a new heater 😂 😂 can’t wait now.
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Jonny did u see reflections post on servicing his 9kw hydroheat?
HE S NEVER HAD IT SERVICED IN 4 YEARS!and it works just the same as the day he first used it.he also uses his all day everyday.....
these heaters are very reliable....
I did mate. I’m glad they seem very reliable. 8)
First full day with it today and it’s great.
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Have you had the 9kw heater from grippa upright or landscape.
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Have you had the 9kw heater from grippa upright or landscape.
I’ve had the landscape cabinet. It’s a good cabinet, takes up hardly any room with the footprint of it.
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Is yours the 9 kw what you getting temp wise I was getting 50-60 degrees out of my 5.2 kw heater
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https://planarheaters.co.uk/shop?olsPage=t%2Fwater-heater-kits
Would these do the job or not enough KW?
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Is yours the 9 kw what you getting temp wise I was getting 50-60 degrees out of my 5.2 kw heater
My problem is too much temperature! lol.
Literally can’t put your hand under it even when it’s set on minimum. Haven’t done a temperature check at the brush head. I think it’s because I’m running my second pump on a recirculation feature back to the tank, so the heater is running constantly. I had to turn the heater off at lunch time because water in the tank was reading 50 degrees.
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Is yours the 9 kw what you getting temp wise I was getting 50-60 degrees out of my 5.2 kw heater
My problem is too much temperature! lol.
Literally can’t put your hand under it even when it’s set on minimum. Haven’t done a temperature check at the brush head. I think it’s because I’m running my second pump on a recirculation feature back to the tank, so the heater is running constantly. I had to turn the heater off at lunch time because water in the tank was reading 50 degrees.
it will be hot with another pump going back to the tank!my heater runs all day too(on full) but no second pump so the temperature in the tank doesnt get to crazy levels!you ll just have to turn the heater off at lunchtime every day(it should save you a little on diesel costs)
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With my other van I had it drawing diesel from the fuel tank it didn’t really notice tbh I fill my van up at the beginning of the week.
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Hopefully they’ll fit that return to tank pump for me too.
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Hopefully they’ll fit that return to tank pump for me too.
Yes they will for both pumps for you. You need a return to tank set up for frost protection.
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Is yours the 9 kw what you getting temp wise I was getting 50-60 degrees out of my 5.2 kw heater
My problem is too much temperature! lol.
Literally can’t put your hand under it even when it’s set on minimum. Haven’t done a temperature check at the brush head. I think it’s because I’m running my second pump on a recirculation feature back to the tank, so the heater is running constantly. I had to turn the heater off at lunch time because water in the tank was reading 50 degrees.
it will be hot with another pump going back to the tank!my heater runs all day too(on full) but no second pump so the temperature in the tank doesnt get to crazy levels!you ll just have to turn the heater off at lunchtime every day(it should save you a little on diesel costs)
Daz I don’t know how you get yours to keep running all day without a second pump?
After about 2-3 minutes of me stopping the water at the brush head it starts powering down. Then you hear the jet noise as it starts up again.
I’m Trying to avoid that by having it heat my tank too.
I’m not even noticing the diesel cost so far, plus I power the heater off just after lunch time because I can’t even out my hand in the tanks water, lol.
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I'm surprised Daz has not invested in a second pump. The running cost savings will pay for it eventually.
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My other heater I used to return to tank manually but having the pump will be better not having to keep plugging it in,being 9kw and returning to tank should keep it pipeing hot
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Is yours the 9 kw what you getting temp wise I was getting 50-60 degrees out of my 5.2 kw heater
My problem is too much temperature! lol.
Literally can’t put your hand under it even when it’s set on minimum. Haven’t done a temperature check at the brush head. I think it’s because I’m running my second pump on a recirculation feature back to the tank, so the heater is running constantly. I had to turn the heater off at lunch time because water in the tank was reading 50 degrees.
it will be hot with another pump going back to the tank!my heater runs all day too(on full) but no second pump so the temperature in the tank doesnt get to crazy levels!you ll just have to turn the heater off at lunchtime every day(it should save you a little on diesel costs)
Daz I don’t know how you get yours to keep running all day without a second pump?
After about 2-3 minutes of me stopping the water at the brush head it starts powering down. Then you hear the jet noise as it starts up again.
I’m Trying to avoid that by having it heat my tank too.
I’m not even noticing the diesel cost so far, plus I power the heater off just after lunch time because I can’t even out my hand in the tanks water, lol.
i keep mine running all day.......if i need to stop for more than 3 mins i plug it back into tank......
i never stop for more than 3 mins unless im driving or its lunchtime.if a customer makes me a brew i plug back into tank....
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I'm surprised Daz has not invested in a second pump. The running cost savings will pay for it eventually.
im not bothered...it works fine the way mine is set up....
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Hopefully they’ll fit that return to tank pump for me too.
grippa will not fit you a second pump unless you ve specifically asked for it.......
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Is yours the 9 kw what you getting temp wise I was getting 50-60 degrees out of my 5.2 kw heater
My problem is too much temperature! lol.
Literally can’t put your hand under it even when it’s set on minimum. Haven’t done a temperature check at the brush head. I think it’s because I’m running my second pump on a recirculation feature back to the tank, so the heater is running constantly. I had to turn the heater off at lunch time because water in the tank was reading 50 degrees.
it will be hot with another pump going back to the tank!my heater runs all day too(on full) but no second pump so the temperature in the tank doesnt get to crazy levels!you ll just have to turn the heater off at lunchtime every day(it should save you a little on diesel costs)
Daz I don’t know how you get yours to keep running all day without a second pump?
After about 2-3 minutes of me stopping the water at the brush head it starts powering down. Then you hear the jet noise as it starts up again.
I’m Trying to avoid that by having it heat my tank too.
I’m not even noticing the diesel cost so far, plus I power the heater off just after lunch time because I can’t even out my hand in the tanks water, lol.
i keep mine running all day.......if i need to stop for more than 3 mins i plug it back into tank......
i never stop for more than 3 mins unless im driving or its lunchtime.if a customer makes me a brew i plug back into tank....
On my last job today I tested it out, one pump running to my pole, other pump Turned off.
It was less than a minute before the heater started shutting down. Literally by the time I got back to my van.
I wonder if that’s because my tank water was already pretty hot. It could be......
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It should not go into shut down mode after a one min. It probably went into idle mode after a min to keep the system running without needing to start up again. It will then take a couple more mins go into full shut down mode.
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They don’t go straight into poop down mode it depends what stage it’s at when you turn off the pump sometimes you’ll have a few minutes sometimes you’ll have longer,what I’ve done in the past is plugged straight back into tank when I get back to the van but I still have the water running until I get back anyway so it wouldn’t shut off
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jonny it doesnt go into shut down mode for around 3 mins,it goes into a "half heat" standby mode then fires up fully when you turn your tap back on......
if you leave it any longer than 3 mins then it will power down(this is a 3 min cycle)and even if you turn your tap back on during this cycle the burner wont fire up properly for 6 mins (as you cant interrupt it once it goes into its shut down cycle).......
hope this helps..... ;)
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Ive got a couple of free roof cleans to do in a couple of weeks so I’m looking forward to having my hot water back lol.
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That makes sense. 👍 thanks.
Still a bit of trial and error to see what works best for me.
Loving the heat though. Makes me realise that I’ve never really had a hot system. Only like warm at best.
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That makes sense. 👍 thanks.
Still a bit of trial and error to see what works best for me.
Loving the heat though. Makes me realise that I’ve never really had a hot system. Only like warm at best.
on a very cold day you might not want to have your second pump recirculating back to your tank jonny or you could be cracking a few panes by lunchtime! :o ;D
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That makes sense. 👍 thanks.
Still a bit of trial and error to see what works best for me.
Loving the heat though. Makes me realise that I’ve never really had a hot system. Only like warm at best.
on a very cold day you might not want to have your second pump recirculating back to your tank jonny or you could be cracking a few panes by lunchtime! :o ;D
Definitely. I need to actually test the temperature at the brush head though.
How hot is too hot? Lol.
I could hold my hand under it for a few seconds then it was getting too hot. ;D
The thing is though as soon as it touches the glass it rapidly cools down. Hold your hand on the pane of glass as the water runs down it, and it’s just nice and warm.
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And that is exactly how you will break the glass with thermal shock , ask Daz ;D
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And that is exactly how you will break the glass with thermal shock , ask Daz ;D
I think the window that daz broke already had a crack in it. 8)
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And that is exactly how you will break the glass with thermal shock , ask Daz ;D
I think the window that daz broke already had a crack in it. 8)
yep it did.......it was a little kitchen window (top opener) with a little crack in the corner...as soon as the water hit it,it popped!! ;D ;D
this was back in jan on a fairly cold day(ambient air temperature of 4 or 5c) water was around 40c.........
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if i only had say 30m off the reel then i couldnt comfortably hold my hand under the jets for longer than 10 seconds today(ambient air temperature 15c).obviously as the temperature drops and more hose is off the reel then its cooler.....just as well really! ;D
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Hot enough to pour your cup a soup ;D
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all this love in about hot water and being so hot you can't put your hand in the tank -
do these things not have a working thermostat ?
Darran
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all this love in about hot water and being so hot you can't put your hand in the tank -
do these things not have a working thermostat ?
Darran
It does. Mine is on minimum. ;D
They just have a dial, minimum to maximum.
They don’t have an output setting where you choose the temp. They do have built in thermometers for inside the tank though, so you can keep an eye on the temp.
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They have a thermostat probe in the tank for the purpose of frost protection.u can also get the temperature reading by pressing the controller a few times....