Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: H MAN on October 30, 2018, 08:44:11 pm
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ANYONE INTERESTED??
So it’s been while but can see that many people think our new handle swivel movement is no more different then any other swivel movement.
And had many manufactures/companies tell me this.
Even though squeegee swivel handle we have developed.
Can stop you from developing RSI Cramping and be used people that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
So look like there no forward thinking manufactures/companies out there that want it.
If anyone knows manufacturer, company or person that might be interested in this could you PM.
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Dragons Den?
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Why don’t you upgrade to wfp???
Then you won’t get all them problems your having ::)roll
I’d say 95% of people who post on here are wfp and Many don’t have a clue how to use a squeegee
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I reckon that the problem is that any large producer want to sell to the masses and although plenty of people still use hand tools its not like it used to be for lots , I used to have to go with hand tools when I was doing my commercial , but I reckon I pick up a mop and blade maybe twice a month now for maybe 6 windows .
Its a shame but its going the same way as the rat tail mop matey !
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;D ;D ;D There you go , 2 people in 2 mins saying pretty much the same , looks like you will have to put an order in with Perry soon HMAN ;D ;D ;D
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Haven’t wagtail got a new one out anyway?
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Maybe you should try the U.S market?
I think the amount of window cleaners interested in trad tools in the UK is now very low, i very rarely see anyone take much interest in your posts on here.
My suggestion would be to get on Facebook and join some of the U.S based groups..I have joined a couple on there and the vast majority use traditional methods and ladders still.
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Why do you carry on with trad when WFP is superior, for those with arthritis it is anyway.
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ANYONE INTERESTED??
So it’s been while but can see that many people think our new handle swivel movement is no more different then any other swivel movement.
And had many manufactures/companies tell me this.
Even though squeegee swivel handle we have developed.
Can stop you from developing RSI Cramping and be used people that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
So look like there no forward thinking manufactures/companies out there that want it.
If anyone knows manufacturer, company or person that might be interested in this could you PM.
It's not a question of weather its a good product in its design and what it sets out to do. I have seen it and i think its a great product in its own right.
However, Its all about weather there is commercial viability, and genuine value proposition to the end user.
At the end of the day, if i was suffering from arthritis. Window cleaning would not be a job i would continue to do.
Water fed poles have pretty much become the industry standard. Most on here have become window cleaners BECAUSE of wfp and posses little or no trad skills, and tbh there is no need to either.
I was and still am a trad window cleaner aswell, using squeegies, and scrim when the job requires it. But i dont see how buying more kit, to replace kit that still works, like it has done for the last 16 years with no issues is of any value to me, even though it might make my hand a bit more comfy. In fact i would probbably hate using it as learning skills with a fixed squeegie, and then having to 'get on' and use something else that changes the way the squeegie feels in my hand is something i just dont want to mess about with.
And im sorry to say but that is the problem with most new product ideas, you are not alone in that.
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Wagtail is Willie Erkin isnt it ?
Why on earth would you go up against that , its like me going at Alex Gardiner with China imports made up in my garage , not undoable but rather a gamble either way !
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I reckon that the problem is that any large producer want to sell to the masses and although plenty of people still use hand tools its not like it used to be for lots , I used to have to go with hand tools when I was doing my commercial , but I reckon I pick up a mop and blade maybe twice a month now for maybe 6 windows .
Its a shame but its going the same way as the rat tail mop matey !
I haven't used a rat tail mop since the late 70's ;D
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Ok everyone has negatives of there experiences using squeegees.
But seems strange no one really knows how to fix the problems.
RSI Cramping and be used people that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
All of these I personally have had, using other squeegees.
Over 16 years trial and error numerous different versions of squeegee movements, handles, ,quick lock connections plus other gadgets on it.
So this is the end result is now have none of these problems.
Using this squeegee a big plus is that you can use it anyway suits you.
Also regarding the patent we have on it, addresses all three.
1. Novelty
2. Inventive
3. Industrial Applicability.
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Ok everyone has negatives of there experiences using squeegees.
But seems strange no one really knows how to fix the problems.
RSI Cramping and be used people that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
All of these I personally have had, using other squeegees.
Over 16 years trial and error numerous different versions of squeegee movements, handles, ,quick lock connections plus other gadgets on it.
So this is the end result is now have none of these problems.
Using this squeegee a big plus is that you can use it anyway suits you.
Also regarding the patent we have on it, addresses all three.
1. Novelty
2. Inventive
3. Industrial Applicability.
Did you actually read any reply’s ? No one has problems with squeegees because we don’t use them ???
We are water fed pole window cleaners
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Ok everyone has negatives of there experiences using squeegees.
But seems strange no one really knows how to fix the problems.
RSI Cramping and be used people that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
All of these I personally have had, using other squeegees.
Over 16 years trial and error numerous different versions of squeegee movements, handles, ,quick lock connections plus other gadgets on it.
So this is the end result is now have none of these problems.
Using this squeegee a big plus is that you can use it anyway suits you.
Also regarding the patent we have on it, addresses all three.
1. Novelty
2. Inventive
3. Industrial Applicability.
Did you actually read any reply’s ? No one has problems with squeegees because we don’t use them ???
We are water fed pole window cleaners
So how would they clean inside windows?
WFP? ::)roll :o :D
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Ok everyone has negatives of there experiences using squeegees.
But seems strange no one really knows how to fix the problems.
RSI Cramping and be used people that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
All of these I personally have had, using other squeegees.
Over 16 years trial and error numerous different versions of squeegee movements, handles, ,quick lock connections plus other gadgets on it.
So this is the end result is now have none of these problems.
Using this squeegee a big plus is that you can use it anyway suits you.
Also regarding the patent we have on it, addresses all three.
1. Novelty
2. Inventive
3. Industrial Applicability.
Did you actually read any reply’s ? No one has problems with squeegees because we don’t use them ???
We are water fed pole window cleaners
So how would they clean inside windows?
WFP? ::)roll :o :D
You wouldn’t get RSI from doing the odd inside job H man, remember here in the uk we rarely do the insides of people homes, it’s once a week or so.
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Ok everyone has negatives of there experiences using squeegees.
But seems strange no one really knows how to fix the problems.
RSI Cramping and be used people that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
All of these I personally have had, using other squeegees.
Over 16 years trial and error numerous different versions of squeegee movements, handles, ,quick lock connections plus other gadgets on it.
So this is the end result is now have none of these problems.
Using this squeegee a big plus is that you can use it anyway suits you.
Also regarding the patent we have on it, addresses all three.
1. Novelty
2. Inventive
3. Industrial Applicability.
Did you actually read any reply’s ? No one has problems with squeegees because we don’t use them ???
We are water fed pole window cleaners
So how would they clean inside windows?
WFP? ::)roll :o :D
We leave the insides for the customers to do themselves
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It’s all very well inventing a product, but you need to stand back and look impartially at the overall situation and see if financially it’s viable - which I doubt
If you can’t get a major player like unger to look at and produce this then I doubt there is no market for it
Why don’t you approach the fwc with several of these for them to trial and maybe put an article in their magazine ?
This forum, although it’s for cleaners is quite limited - I bet you haven’t sought out any trad guys and offered your product to them
Darran
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if your predispositioned to get arthritis you ll get it anyway regardless or whether your trad or WFP....
how old are you anyway mate? in your 70s?....your bound to have a few aches and pains by now!we all will if we re lucky enough to live until your age.......
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Ever head the saying work smarter not harder.
Hear many people complain that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
Many different ages from beginner though to my age or more!! ::)roll :o ;D
So this was designed to help them to do it the smarter way.
Don't worry your turn will come in time. ;D
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I am 100% trad, 56 years old now and still use a squeegee I bought when I started 21 years ago (albeit more recently dog-eared for less detailing).
I would probably be in your target market to buy your latest product, but I have reached the stage now when I would struggle to improve on my squeegeing technique, or find a product which will make life easier than it already is. For example I have been considering replacing my current range of squeegees with the Unger S-plus range, but as I get excellent results already with what I have, then why would I need to change? The same principle applies to your new product. I don't wish to knock you in any way, but I probably speak for many other trad window cleaners who have perfected their techniques or who are considering changing over to wfp.
That said, I admire your enginuity and I genuinely hope you can get this off the ground.
There are still many trad window cleaners here in Ireland. Could you perhaps explore its viability to produce/sell it here, or maybe try further afield?
Best wishes,
John
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Ever head the saying work smarter not harder.
Hear many people complain that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
Many different ages from beginner though to my age or more!! ::)roll :o ;D
So this was designed to help them to do it the smarter way.
Don't worry your turn will come in time. ;D
I've not read everyone's replies on here Hman, but as the majority have said, we're all pretty much 90 - 100% water fed. I also have many years trad experience behind me and I still like to do the odd house / bungalow the trad way rather than get all the wfp equipment out. But I wouldn't swap my trusty Squeegee with moerman or the ninja or any other new blade on the market at the moment as there is no need.
What might help your course, is if you get your statements backed up medically as well
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I just don't think H MAN get that the vast majority of us are not interested.
Go push your products to a market that uses traditional tools
You are not getting anywhere with your product because there is not market for it here
Go talk to the yanks like I said earlier, they will love it over there.
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H man have you ever heard of the saying "flogging a dead horse?".......thats what your doing....your just wasting your time on here for UK window cleaning anyway......
nobody is arsed mate.....
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Yes to you, it' may seem that way.
But because people that have no problems like above for see no different when using.
However there people that DO have problem like above, and use it will see/notice the different right away.
Reminds me when WFP first introduced was not that popular most people where saying things like you are now.
But everyone's entitled to there opinion.
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Would it not pay you to put a poll on all the forums and Facebook pages to determine how many people suffer with these conditions?
Respectfully, your adaptions have always come across a bit Heath Robinson to me and I would question any claim made without some evidence.
If it’s not for the market leaders to develop, it’s either dead in the water or a cottage industry for you.
Tony
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Yes to you, it' may seem that way.
But because people that have no problems like above for see no different when using.
However there people that DO have problem like above, and use it will see/notice the different right away.
Reminds me when WFP first introduced was not that popular most people where saying things like you are now.
But everyone's entitled to there opinion.
I admire your perseverance in the face of all this, I have to admit I agree with what people are saying.
I hope it turns out for you, maybe offer some out for people to try? Maybe they'll be able to "experience" what your telling people and leave great reviews.
I'm too far into my water fed poling to be concerned with a squeegee. I love my wagtail too much to try anything else.
I would love to see some WFP innovations though, a super light and aggressive brush with excellent water delivery.
An in-line chemical cartridge that will mix with pure and come out the jets at the brush head, so I can attach to my pole hose and apply chemicals to the first cleans, I know they do exist but are crap rated.
I like the idea of having a brush that is the same as most hoovers, you flip a switch and the bristles retract to reveal a new stiffer set of bristles.
There are still problems that need solving with WFP, its a growing market still. You have come up with some good ideas, maybe you can think of something?
As for the squeegee, if it works as good as you say then the problem there is getting people to see that. Maybe hand some testers out to certain people that have social influence, if they like it everyone else will.
Good luck H man.
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I think another great idea would be to create some kind of ball joint instead of a swivel for WFP brush, enabling the user total freedom of direction.
A swivel is great going from side to side, but were still having to physically shift our stance when going up and down when going below straight out. example, when doing doors you can agitate up and down whilst working up to and above shoulder height, but going below that you have to stand to the side and agitate sideways. Would be more convenient and quicker if you didn't have to change the angle of the brush head.
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What about your WFP swivel HMAN?
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I think another great idea would be to create some kind of ball joint instead of a swivel for WFP brush, enabling the user total freedom of direction.
A swivel is great going from side to side, but were still having to physically shift our stance when going up and down when going below straight out. example, when doing doors you can agitate up and down whilst working up to and above shoulder height, but going below that you have to stand to the side and agitate sideways. Would be more convenient and quicker if you didn't have to change the angle of the brush head.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
Finely someone that under stands how this swivel works. ;D ;D ;D
We also have the same movement a bit different set up, for water fed brushes. ;D ;D ;D
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Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
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H man have you ever heard of the saying "flogging a dead horse?".......thats what your doing....your just wasting your time on here for UK window cleaning anyway......
nobody is arsed mate.....
He could call it the Shergar 😂😂
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I think another great idea would be to create some kind of ball joint instead of a swivel for WFP brush, enabling the user total freedom of direction.
A swivel is great going from side to side, but were still having to physically shift our stance when going up and down when going below straight out. example, when doing doors you can agitate up and down whilst working up to and above shoulder height, but going below that you have to stand to the side and agitate sideways. Would be more convenient and quicker if you didn't have to change the angle of the brush head.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
Finely someone that under stands how this swivel works. ;D ;D ;D
We also have the same movement a bit different set up, for water fed brushes. ;D ;D ;D
So your swivel operates through a vertical plane as well as horizontal?
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I think another great idea would be to create some kind of ball joint instead of a swivel for WFP brush, enabling the user total freedom of direction.
A swivel is great going from side to side, but were still having to physically shift our stance when going up and down when going below straight out. example, when doing doors you can agitate up and down whilst working up to and above shoulder height, but going below that you have to stand to the side and agitate sideways. Would be more convenient and quicker if you didn't have to change the angle of the brush head.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
Finely someone that under stands how this swivel works. ;D ;D ;D
We also have the same movement a bit different set up, for water fed brushes. ;D ;D ;D
So your swivel operates through a vertical plane as well as horizontal?
;D ;D
You may need to reassess your observation HMAN!! ;D
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So your swivel operates through a vertical plane as well as horizontal?
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That is correct.
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Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.
Herman, I have a lot of respect for you, but you are pushing a product that no longer has any real relevance to British window cleaners. You are trying to promote an outdoor nudist resort in the Antarctic. The next best thing for the home entertainment industry isn't a black and white telly. The British market for new squeegees is very small. Yes, we each (son and myself) have a conventional squeegee but we hardly ever use it. My squeegee will still be around after I die. I doubt I've replaced the rubber in the last 5 years. (When we were trad we swopped the rubber around every couple of days to get a sharp edge and replaced the rubber once a week.)
You might try forums in the States because they have a higher demand for traditional tools than those of us the frequent UK forums.
As has been already commented on, you are trying to push a product that has long since died. The horse and carriage stopped becoming a popular means of transport for the masses in the UK some 100 years ago. There are still a few around but trying to market one with air suspension, double glasing, a diesel air heater and a new range of alloy rims with low profile wide wall tyres isn't going to get much interest, even with the Royal Family.
Unfortunately for you (and fortunately for us in the nicest possible way), you 'sold' your Quicklok concept to Gardiners for a 'bowl of soup'. But then you also didn't have the financial resources or the backing to patent it and produce the product yourself.
You need to be thinking about new products that will be the next must have. Unfortunately you are in competition with Gardiners and Exceed who are in a much better financial position to develop and market a new product. But again, each of these businesses have produced accessories that were discontinued because of a lack of interest and demand. You know as well as I do how much the dies cost to mass produce plastic components. These costs have to be absorbed in the cost of the product.
There is a cleaner on Youtube who has done a review of Gardiner's latest rinse bar. He was complaining about the cost of it in the review. He wouldn't have said that if he knew how much the die costs to produce that rinse bar. The trouble is that its also produced for a very limited market in small quantities. He wasn't looking at the bigger picture as the cost of dies is reflected in the price of the component.
The only suggestion I have is to revolutionise the window cleaning market like wfp did with the help of H&S. If you could develop an ultrasonic box that doesn't look like a gun that we could point at each window, pull a trigger and the dirt instanty dissolves, then you might be onto something. It must be rechargeable though.
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Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.
So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it?? ???
As said if the are any manufactures or companies that wait a licence to make these PM me.
Alex Gardiner would you be interested.?
You know our E-Mail address.
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Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.
So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it?? ???
Whose selling them?
I've looked at your video clip before with your swivel in action on a wfp brush and it did nothing to inspire me. In fact, I commented that cleaning a window with a brush in the vertical position was hard work. I tried it by turning the brush on the Quicklok fitting.
I've personally tried every swivel available including the one with a ball and socket. I still prefer a fixed brush and will manage with the odd corner that is difficult to get a fixed head brush into from an angle. I had a swivel fitting out the other day but packed it away before I even fitted it to my brush.
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Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.
So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it?? ???
Whose selling them?
I've looked at your video clip before with your swivel in action on a wfp brush and it did nothing to inspire me. In fact, I commented that cleaning a window with a brush in the vertical position was hard work. I tried it by turning the brush on the Quicklok fitting.
I've personally tried every swivel available including the one with a ball and socket. I still prefer a fixed brush and will manage with the odd corner that is difficult to get a fixed head brush into from an angle. I had a swivel fitting out the other day but packed it away before I even fitted it to my brush.
Yes know it is hard to this using what's on the market.( if you haven't got this swivel movement we have developed on your brushes.)
Can understand your frustration.
Just got find some that is willing to make and market them.
As have not got the resources needed to bring this to market.
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Wagtail have surely beaten you to it? The new highflier pad swivels in both directions doesn’t it? I haven’t used one but to me it looked like the blade had the usual action, the pad could rotate in the vertical plane plus one tool does the job of two, surely better for arthritic trad window cleaners?
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Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.
So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it?? ???
Whose selling them?
I've looked at your video clip before with your swivel in action on a wfp brush and it did nothing to inspire me. In fact, I commented that cleaning a window with a brush in the vertical position was hard work. I tried it by turning the brush on the Quicklok fitting.
I've personally tried every swivel available including the one with a ball and socket. I still prefer a fixed brush and will manage with the odd corner that is difficult to get a fixed head brush into from an angle. I had a swivel fitting out the other day but packed it away before I even fitted it to my brush.
Yes know it is hard to this using what's on the market.( if you haven't got this swivel movement we have developed on your brushes.)
Can understand your frustration.
Just got find some that is willing to make and market them.
As have not got the resources needed to bring this to market.
So what you are saying is that you are the only one who has tried them and found them to be the best swivel designed - by yourself.
Nobody can make a decision on the action of a product that is not available. I'm not frustrated, but it sounds as though you are. For me personally with what's available and what I've used, I'm not into swivels. I'm not frustrated in the slighest that there isn't a swivel that bowls me over.
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i hate swivels for WFP.it feels like im working with a pole and brush with a broken neck! ;D
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I use a Gardiners swivel. Love it.
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i hate swivels for WFP.it feels like im working with a pole and brush with a broken neck! ;D
Buying one next year then?
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Didnt a member on here by the name of Gaz sell a shed load of brushes to members some years ago with these ball sockets on ?
Everybody loved them as I remember , then he just vanished !!
Anybody know what happened to him and his brushes ?
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Here's video did with the swivel movement on brush heads.
And how we us it vertical on the glass.
We just using it on a straight pole with quick-lock connection to it.
But it is even more versatile if you have a angle adapter on it.
We are using our first prototypes they are bit different to look at now.
But this gives you some idea how it works.
1/ https://youtu.be/8PNfqj6ODUs
2/ https://youtu.be/vDZ4EJfNGs0
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Didnt a member on here by the name of Gaz sell a shed load of brushes to members some years ago with these ball sockets on ?
Everybody loved them as I remember , then he just vanished !!
Anybody know what happened to him and his brushes ?
Gary Hollins was his name and his address was in Newcastle under Lyme.
He took a floor brush with a swivel that worked similar to a U joint on a propshaft, cut the mechanism off the floor brush, cut the molded screw in brush holder off the Salmon brushes he was using and screwed the swivel mechanism to the brush.
With the brush horizontal on the glass, the swivel worked fully left to right. He screwed in screws as a stop to restrict the mechanism working in the other direction (up and down). This was to stop the brush falling or flopping foward when offering it up to the glass.
There were a number of us who ordered these swivel brushes from Gaz. Unbeknown to us and probably to him as well, the manufacturers of the floor brush replaced the brush and used a different swivel design. Gaz couldn't adapt this new design to work as a wfp brush swivel. I think he tried to send out his orders using these ball swivels.
I was one who, in 2007, sent off a cheque for 3 brushes and 2 swivel adaptors. The cheque was banked and despite numerous telephone calls there was no brushes and no refund. He kept saying that all orders would be shipped by that Friday. He was shocked when he was told that no brushes had been received the following week. He blamed the postal service, he promised proof of dispatch, but it was all lies. He left the forum and disappeared.
I learnt a lesson from my experience never to buy product from a window cleaner other than through a bonified internet site such as Ebay where I have some sort of redress.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1541189240_gaz's brush 2.jpg)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1541189287_gaz's first swivel brush.jpg)
This brush was the replacement floor brush and you can see the swivel is totally different.
https://www.hillbrush.com/uk/hygiene/floor-brushes/professional-extra-stiff-197mm-swivel-scrub-with-universal-joint/
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My other half just looked up Gary Hollins on Facebook and found one who just happens to be a W/C !
I will say no more ;D ;D ;D
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Using the brush vertical like in the video.
There's no need to use spray bars, booster pumps to get more water on the glass, etc.
Just use a normal brush with pencil jets.
Because you are cleaning with bush vertical it's flushing the glass as you scrub.
So there is no need to rinse it over again.
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Here is the swivels on other brushes, doodlebug ,microfiber mop heads.
Can replace any type of swivel movement on broom, brushes as seen in this video.
https://youtu.be/vaPR71UKZPw
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Using the brush vertical like in the video.
There's no need to use spray bars, booster pumps to get more water on the glass, etc.
Just use a normal brush with pencil jets.
Because you are cleaning with bush vertical it's flushing the glass as you scrub.
So there is no need to rinse it over again.
Booster pumps???
As I mentioned on your last advertising/promotion post, its neigh on impossible to clean a window at height with a vertical brush. I tried it. You can do it in Australia because your house that you practise on is a single story (barr the one window that's slightly higher due to the slope of your garden.)
The method of cleaning at height is to rock your arms back and forth whilst standing infront of the glass with the brush horizontal. For larger or should I say longer panes of glass we include a step forward and backwards to give the brush a longer stroke.
The only time a swivel is useful is to get into the upper far corner of the glass /frame with your brush flat on the glass if you are standing to the side; eg., cleaning the window above a conservatory roof. I found a swivel a hinderance if I was trying to clean downstairs window cills to the side because of limited space.
You are trying to promote a dead idea. The world of window cleaning has evolved, at least here in the UK.
Willie doesn't like you and you him, so the only other options are the main squeegee manufacturers, Unger, Ettore, etc.
Its pointless trying to sell a fleet of company cars by promting your product to the night porter or office cleaner. You need to speak to the right people. Your swivel idea isn't going to make Gardiners add it to their Quicklok portfolio. If they haven't jumped at it yet then there is every possibility they won't do it in the future. (They have a brush holder that angled slightly which was added because of their clients requests for that.)
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/gooseneck-parts/quick-loqr-angled-swivel-brush-socket-adapter.html
Sorry, but frankly speaking, my advice to you is to put this swivel to bed and look for another game changer that will assure you an income stream into your looming retirement years. The swivel concept isn't going to do this.
As a young man my desire was to own and drive a stockcar. I drove a stock car but I didn't have the financial resources or the skills to make that happen even although I believe I had the ability to succeed as a driver. As I didn't have financial backing any driving talent I had or thought I had wasn't enough. Now I know at this late stage in my life that this was a desire and a dream that will never happen. I'm long since over that disappointment. I've moved on from it.
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So because you have tried all the swivels on the market and can not get on with them.
There is nothing that will??
Far as I've seen all swivels on the market made up of something that's already out there one way or another.
Regarding the bigger companies really do not expect them to take it up.
WHY This would obsolete what they already have.
You said yourself you can't emulate the way I use the swivel on our pole.
And the only thing different to the others is the actual swivel movement.
Here is one did at height 30 feet https://youtu.be/OCkuBvZOFME
Here we are using white scrubbing pad on the pole.
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OH must of missed this.
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/gooseneck-parts/quick-loqr-angled-swivel-brush-socket-adapter.html
Is this the latest swivel ??? :-X
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So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it?? ???
As said if the are any manufactures or companies that wait a licence to make these PM me.
Alex Gardiner would you be interested.? You know our E-Mail address.
Hi Herman
I have had a look at your latest videos and this probably is not something that we would be interested in spending the tooling costs on producing. We very much focus on the WFP market and have purposely stayed away from the Traditional Tool market – there are plenty of firms who produce very good trad tools already - Unger, Ettore, Moerman, Wagtail, etc.
It may be worth taking your concept and Patent directly to one of these firms and seeing if they would be interested in working with you :)
The downside for you (and manufacturers) with the square connector system (Quick-LoQ) was that it was something that could not be patented as there were already other companies making similar systems for other industries and the fact that you had already publicly posted videos of your ideas - this is why it took some time for me to be interested originally and to be honest I only took a real interest after a direct request from you :)
Since answering your forum request to look at making a square brush connection system we then had to spend about £18,000 on initial tooling, testing and refining and have since spent at least another £14,000 on various tooling for Quick-LoQ items.
We are glad that we did follow this idea through as it has advantages, however most of these goosenecks are ‘given away’ with poles so the payback on the tooling does take a long time. I know that you enjoyed having production versions to work with and you were able to work with and test our first versions as we made them – it may have only been a ‘bowl of soup’ for you, but for us it was an expensive and potentially risky bowl! There were many production challenges with these items and producing a marketable, finished product took a long time designing, testing and refining by us before I was able to send you a finished and workable product for your own use.
We do already produce several different swivel options for the Quick-LoQ range and could probably produce many more different variants, but there is a limit to what will make a commercial return on the tooling costs. Many of these swivels have been produced directly in response to client requests or ideas – one very handy client even sent us a fully working and handmade prototype of a swivel with a request for us to make it – it did take a few years, but we eventually worked our way to it! There are also many more requests and ideas that we have not pursued as I feel that they would have even more narrow market appeal.
I know that you have subsequently been working with Mark Russo of WWWCS in Australia on your own brush connector & gooseneck products which are even named after you! – the ‘Wiel-Loc’ connector range. Is Mark not interested in working with you in the Australian market on this idea – could you not incorporate it into the products that you already make/sell with him? This would perhaps be your fastest way to market with your new product.
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OH must of missed this.
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/gooseneck-parts/quick-loqr-angled-swivel-brush-socket-adapter.html
Is this the latest swivel ??? :-X
I’ve used the Gardiner swivels for several years now and get on with them really well. This more recent Q-Lock version has been great as the swivel action is closer to the brush and it also is now easy to swap brushes over quickly when needed.
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So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it?? ???
As said if the are any manufactures or companies that wait a licence to make these PM me.
Alex Gardiner would you be interested.? You know our E-Mail address.
Hi Herman
I have had a look at your latest videos and this probably is not something that we would be interested in spending the tooling costs on producing. We very much focus on the WFP market and have purposely stayed away from the Traditional Tool market – there are plenty of firms who produce very good trad tools already - Unger, Ettore, Moerman, Wagtail, etc.
It may be worth taking your concept and Patent directly to one of these firms and seeing if they would be interested in working with you :)
The downside for you (and manufacturers) with the square connector system (Quick-LoQ) was that it was something that could not be patented as there were already other companies making similar systems for other industries and the fact that you had already publicly posted videos of your ideas - this is why it took some time for me to be interested originally and to be honest I only took a real interest after a direct request from you :)
Since answering your forum request to look at making a square brush connection system we then had to spend about £18,000 on initial tooling, testing and refining and have since spent at least another £14,000 on various tooling for Quick-LoQ items.
We are glad that we did follow this idea through as it has advantages, however most of these goosenecks are ‘given away’ with poles so the payback on the tooling does take a long time. I know that you enjoyed having production versions to work with and you were able to work with and test our first versions as we made them – it may have only been a ‘bowl of soup’ for you, but for us it was an expensive and potentially risky bowl! There were many production challenges with these items and producing a marketable, finished product took a long time designing, testing and refining by us before I was able to send you a finished and workable product for your own use.
We do already produce several different swivel options for the Quick-LoQ range and could probably produce many more different variants, but there is a limit to what will make a commercial return on the tooling costs. Many of these swivels have been produced directly in response to client requests or ideas – one very handy client even sent us a fully working and handmade prototype of a swivel with a request for us to make it – it did take a few years, but we eventually worked our way to it! There are also many more requests and ideas that we have not pursued as I feel that they would have even more narrow market appeal.
I know that you have subsequently been working with Mark Russo of WWWCS in Australia on your own brush connector & gooseneck products which are even named after you! – the ‘Wiel-Loc’ connector range. Is Mark not interested in working with you in the Australian market on this idea – could you not incorporate it into the products that you already make/sell with him? This would perhaps be your fastest way to market with your new product.
And here's a man with his finger on the pulse and still has enough time to read my drivel.
Interesting expansion on the basics facts of Quick-Loq (I better get this spelling right in future) production. I'm surprised but would have expected tooling costs to be a lot higher tbh. Now we can understand in a little more depth why Herman is beating this drum so often.
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This is interesting
https://windowcleaningsupplies.com.au/wwwcs/angle-adapters-pole-connectors/wiel-loc-angle-adapter-and-parts/
So maybe Herman is going to have something to top up his pension with.
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So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it?? ???
As said if the are any manufactures or companies that wait a licence to make these PM me.
Alex Gardiner would you be interested.? You know our E-Mail address.
Hi Herman
I have had a look at your latest videos and this probably is not something that we would be interested in spending the tooling costs on producing. We very much focus on the WFP market and have purposely stayed away from the Traditional Tool market – there are plenty of firms who produce very good trad tools already - Unger, Ettore, Moerman, Wagtail, etc.
It may be worth taking your concept and Patent directly to one of these firms and seeing if they would be interested in working with you :)
The downside for you (and manufacturers) with the square connector system (Quick-LoQ) was that it was something that could not be patented as there were already other companies making similar systems for other industries and the fact that you had already publicly posted videos of your ideas - this is why it took some time for me to be interested originally and to be honest I only took a real interest after a direct request from you :)
Since answering your forum request to look at making a square brush connection system we then had to spend about £18,000 on initial tooling, testing and refining and have since spent at least another £14,000 on various tooling for Quick-LoQ items.
We are glad that we did follow this idea through as it has advantages, however most of these goosenecks are ‘given away’ with poles so the payback on the tooling does take a long time. I know that you enjoyed having production versions to work with and you were able to work with and test our first versions as we made them – it may have only been a ‘bowl of soup’ for you, but for us it was an expensive and potentially risky bowl! There were many production challenges with these items and producing a marketable, finished product took a long time designing, testing and refining by us before I was able to send you a finished and workable product for your own use.
We do already produce several different swivel options for the Quick-LoQ range and could probably produce many more different variants, but there is a limit to what will make a commercial return on the tooling costs. Many of these swivels have been produced directly in response to client requests or ideas – one very handy client even sent us a fully working and handmade prototype of a swivel with a request for us to make it – it did take a few years, but we eventually worked our way to it! There are also many more requests and ideas that we have not pursued as I feel that they would have even more narrow market appeal.
I know that you have subsequently been working with Mark Russo of WWWCS in Australia on your own brush connector & gooseneck products which are even named after you! – the ‘Wiel-Loc’ connector range. Is Mark not interested in working with you in the Australian market on this idea – could you not incorporate it into the products that you already make/sell with him? This would perhaps be your fastest way to market with your new product.
And here's a man with his finger on the pulse and still has enough time to read my drivel.
Interesting expansion on the basics facts of Quick-Loq (I better get this spelling right in future) production. I'm surprised but would have expected tooling costs to be a lot higher tbh. Now we can understand in a little more depth why Herman is beating this drum so often.
Hi Alex,
Could you E-Mail me ,
Can give more then just videos.
Oh the quick lock we have on it is only so we can fit our quick locks connections on it..
And it will have a euro thread connection as it is more universal then Quick lock. type connections
And if the people that have quick lock type connection can get one of these. (https://i0.wp.com/surecleansystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Quick-Loq-Brush-Adapter.jpg?fit=1200%2C1200&ssl=1)
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i hate swivels for WFP.it feels like im working with a pole and brush with a broken neck! ;D
Can see why you would think that.
You talking about these swivel movements??
(https://shop0982.hstatic.dk/upload_dir/shop/swivel_adapter_view_2-_ggp-ang-sw-df_1.jpg)
(https://www.daqua.co.uk/images/products/gooseneck4.jpg) (https://i1.wp.com/surecleansystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/QL_Long_Swivel_350.jpg?fit=473%2C473&ssl=1) (https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/w/swivel_adapter_-_ggp-qre-df_.jpg)