Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: herbiefatboy on October 16, 2018, 05:35:34 pm
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do you need to get a split relay for a leisure battery or can you just keep charging the battery up finding it hard to get someone to do the job thanks.
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Yes, I charge mine every night with a smart charger. Leave it in situ in the van and run an extension out to it.
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While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?
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You can but run the risk of draining your van battery
You in Norwich? I can give you the number of the auto electrician that does the wiring in my vans
Darran
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that would be great if you could forward his number does any one know a rough cost for the job thanks again
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I bought two of those batteries last week at halfords good price plus 10% off if your in the AA ;D
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Also got a decent ring battery charger for £75 and reverse camera kit ;D
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He charges around £110 inc vat - that includes all the parts, fuses, and wiring from the van to wherever you want your leisure battery - as I say he’s done 4 now and we have never had any trouble with the electrics
Mark
07787 366977
Say you got the number from darran at Oddbods ( he will charge you double 😂 )
Darran
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do you need to get a split relay for a leisure battery or can you just keep charging the battery up finding it hard to get someone to do the job thanks.
why are you finding it hard to find someone to do the job?any autoelectrician would do it for you....
but yes you can just charge your leisure battery up every night if your just using it for one pump and have no diesel heater and/or electric reel.....
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Daz - it’s norfolk mate - they run to a different time zone to the rest of the country 😳
Shops still have half day closing wednesdays - closed all weekend - chip shops closed on Mondays and sundays and evening opening hours are 4.30 to 7 pm
Darran
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cheers smudged thats great mate
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sorry smudger
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While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?
I don't think I would want that battery when I read the specs.
According to their recent grading listings that they have signed up to (NCC), their £95 (reduced from £105) 115amp leisure battery is only a class C rated. The specs list it's charging cycles as 80.
https://www.halfords.com/camping-leisure/caravan-motorhomes/electrical-power/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb681
Thats a pretty poor show for a window cleaning battery.
I would rather go for a Numax for £5 more and get a battery with a 500 cycle rating. (Numax doesn't apear to have signed up to NCC rating, but I have had very good service from Numax batteries and would recommend them even although Numax won't warranty their batteries when used by window cleaners.)
https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/
I'm glad Halfords have signed up the the NCC rating. Even their class B 100 amp leisure battery doesn't measure up that much better with 200 cycles
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb700
Even their top of the range AGM battery doesn't seem to 'cut the mustard.'
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb800
NCC =
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_schemes/ncc_verified_leisure_battery_scheme.aspx
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Don't think I'll be moving to Norfolk any time soon!
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While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?
I don't think I would want that battery when I read the specs.
According to their recent grading listings that they have signed up to (NCC), their £95 (reduced from £105) 115amp leisure battery is only a class C rated. The specs list it's charging cycles as 80.
https://www.halfords.com/camping-leisure/caravan-motorhomes/electrical-power/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb681
Thats a pretty poor show for a window cleaning battery.
I would rather go for a Numax for £5 more and get a battery with a 500 cycle rating. (Numax doesn't apear to have signed up to NCC rating, but I have had very good service from Numax batteries and would recommend them even although Numax won't warranty their batteries when used by window cleaners.)
https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/
I'm glad Halfords have signed up the the NCC rating. Even their class B 100 amp leisure battery doesn't measure up that much better with 200 cycles
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb700
Even their top of the range AGM battery doesn't seem to 'cut the mustard.'
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb800
NCC =
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_schemes/ncc_verified_leisure_battery_scheme.aspx
All of the above means zip to me. All I know is that in 7 years of using various batteries without a split relay, Halfords were by far the longest lasting I found. I don’t know if I tried a Numax, but I definitely never went for a cheap one.
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Interesting spruce.
I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.
But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.
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Interesting spruce.
I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.
But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.
What size did you have? We found with bench charging every day or two the lasted a couple of years. That was the 115(I think).
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Interesting spruce.
I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.
But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.
how often were you charging your battery?you should charge it every day IMO esp if your not using a split relay and your using an electric reel as well as powering pumps.
you shouldnt discharge a leisure battery less than 50%(ideally 30%)before charging again....its supposed to keep the batteries in good condition....
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Interesting spruce.
I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.
But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.
i bet you didnt tell them you were using it for window cleaning though! ;) ;D
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Just like Ctek chargers, I’ll never go past Yuasa batteries.
My last one lasted 4 years before I sold it.
Ctek charger and yuasa battery...... match made in the skies. ;D
Like anything good, there not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Don’t get me wrong there not crazy expensive either. Just top end.
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Good info Spruce but surely that doesn't mean you can only recharge it 80 times?
I bought one of these Halfords batteries but I must have charged it more than 80 times.
I charge mine every night without fail and I've had it several months now.
Or does it mean you can completely discharge it 80 times?
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Interesting spruce.
I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.
But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.
What size did you have? We found with bench charging every day or two the lasted a couple of years. That was the 115(I think).
115. had a previous one which was a 70, i dont think that lasted 2 years either.
Interesting spruce.
I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.
But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.
how often were you charging your battery?you should charge it every day IMO esp if your not using a split relay and your using an electric reel as well as powering pumps.
you shouldnt discharge a leisure battery less than 50%(ideally 30%)before charging again....its supposed to keep the batteries in good condition....
every night daz, always charge every nightInteresting spruce.
I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.
But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.
i bet you didnt tell them you were using it for window cleaning though! ;) ;D
told them it was for my caravan, said i only had a fridge runnning on it and it was going flar within hours. took me 3 attempts at taking it back though, first two times they tested it and it said good battery nowt we can do.... It was only after i insisted it wasnt they charged it up themselves and put a load on it overnight, next morning i went back and machine said bad battery.
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While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?
I don't think I would want that battery when I read the specs.
According to their recent grading listings that they have signed up to (NCC), their £95 (reduced from £105) 115amp leisure battery is only a class C rated. The specs list it's charging cycles as 80.
https://www.halfords.com/camping-leisure/caravan-motorhomes/electrical-power/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb681
Thats a pretty poor show for a window cleaning battery.
I would rather go for a Numax for £5 more and get a battery with a 500 cycle rating. (Numax doesn't apear to have signed up to NCC rating, but I have had very good service from Numax batteries and would recommend them even although Numax won't warranty their batteries when used by window cleaners.)
https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/
I'm glad Halfords have signed up the the NCC rating. Even their class B 100 amp leisure battery doesn't measure up that much better with 200 cycles
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb700
Even their top of the range AGM battery doesn't seem to 'cut the mustard.'
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb800
NCC =
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_schemes/ncc_verified_leisure_battery_scheme.aspx
I have two batteries from Halfords purchased Sep 2017. They are wired in parallel, so about 230ah in total. They are charged by a Ctek M200 charger every night. They run a pump, flow controller and a webasto for about 7 hours a day. They are both shot and need replacing so I'd agree Spruce. They are crap.
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Good info Spruce but surely that doesn't mean you can only recharge it 80 times?
I bought one of these Halfords batteries but I must have charged it more than 80 times.
I charge mine every night without fail and I've had it several months now.
Or does it mean you can completely discharge it 80 times?
Wikipedia says;
A charge cycle is the process of charging a rechargeable battery and discharging it as required into a load. The term is typically used to specify a battery's expected life, as the number of charge cycles affects life more than the mere passage of time. Discharging the battery fully before recharging may be called "deep discharge"; partially discharging then recharging may be called "shallow discharge".
In general, number of cycles for a rechargeable battery indicates how many times it can undergo the process of complete charging and discharging until failure or it starting to lose capacity.
If you only use 25% of your batteries capacity then you can expect to get more cycles than 80.
However, if batteries use the same test standard, then there is a big difference between 80 and 200 cycles.
I mentioned this as there are a few cleaners who have had longevity issues with Halfords batteries. This new battery classification is new as this is the first time I've seen it on their website. I was in Halfords the other day and noticed that their batteries were displayed in racks under 3 classes. I don't go into Halfords often but that captured my attention.
The need for a standard has arisen because manufacturers have previously been known to manipulate the number of discharge cycles by testing them after only discharging the battery by a small percentage, say 10 amps from a 115 amp battery. They then stipulate their testing procedures in the small print that buyers never read. Higher discharge charge cycles make their battery look better than it actually is. (Like fuel consumption figures for new cars!)
At one time we used to ignore these charging cycles when looking for batteries as they were deceiving. A good test was comparing weights. Heavier leisure batteries were seen as better quality as they had more lead in them.
Now I'm not saying that Numax's figures of 500 cycles are not manipulated. I can't recall seeing those cycles that high before tbh. But our experience is that every Numax battery we have had has given superb service.
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Just like Ctek chargers, I’ll never go past Yuasa batteries.
My last one lasted 4 years before I sold it.
Ctek charger and yuasa battery...... match made in the skies. ;D
Like anything good, there not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Don’t get me wrong there not crazy expensive either. Just top end.
Im fairly confident that im correct in saying the Halfords Leisure Batteries are made by Yuasa.
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While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?
I don't think I would want that battery when I read the specs.
According to their recent grading listings that they have signed up to (NCC), their £95 (reduced from £105) 115amp leisure battery is only a class C rated. The specs list it's charging cycles as 80.
https://www.halfords.com/camping-leisure/caravan-motorhomes/electrical-power/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb681
Thats a pretty poor show for a window cleaning battery.
I would rather go for a Numax for £5 more and get a battery with a 500 cycle rating. (Numax doesn't apear to have signed up to NCC rating, but I have had very good service from Numax batteries and would recommend them even although Numax won't warranty their batteries when used by window cleaners.)
https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/
I'm glad Halfords have signed up the the NCC rating. Even their class B 100 amp leisure battery doesn't measure up that much better with 200 cycles
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb700
Even their top of the range AGM battery doesn't seem to 'cut the mustard.'
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb800
NCC =
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_schemes/ncc_verified_leisure_battery_scheme.aspx
I have two batteries from Halfords purchased Sep 2017. They are wired in parallel, so about 230ah in total. They are charged by a Ctek M200 charger every night. They run a pump, flow controller and a webasto for about 7 hours a day. They are both shot and need replacing so I'd agree Spruce. They are crap.
Halford's isn't a bargain store. Nothing is cheap. There is a lot of cheap stuff sold at high prices. They are a retail store that is geared up to sell at the top prices they can get.
I bought a spin on oil filter for my car from them once. I paid £9.99. I pay £3.00 at our local motor factors for a similar filter. I've been buying that same filter for the past 10 years from that motor factor. Each of our Citroen Hdis use the same filter.
It looks like they are sell a poor quality battery for a top price. Its probably good enough for a caravaner who has it on charge at home, then on a split charge relay travelling on holiday and hookup when they get to their destination. Maybe is gets hammered for a few moments with a caravan motor mover but is recharged immediately.
If the caravan goes into storage over winter and the battery goes flat, then the owner is told the failure is his fault and he buys another.
Looking at these specs I now wouldn't buy that battery for window cleaning as it isn't good enough.
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grippa fitted my van out with 2 x numax 105ah batteries wired up to a b+b smartcharger to run my diesel heater,pump,controller and electric reel......so far,so good although their not a year old yet til dec 6th.....
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grippa fitted my van out with 2 x numax 105ah batteries wired up to a b+b smartcharger to run my diesel heater,pump,controller and electric reel......so far,so good although their not a year old yet til dec 6th.....
Those Numax batteries are half leisure and half starter motor batteries. They have a cold cranking amps (CCA) value as a starter battery and also work well as a leisure battery - much like a 'traction' battery.
A standard leisure battery just isn't designed to have high current drawn from them. So we need to look for batteries that can deliver a higher amperage output, especially if we add starting a diesel heater (they draw about 20 amps in pulses for 3 minutes when starting) and an electric hose reel that will draw around 25 amps for 30 secs each time we wind in.
P&F has a Numax leisure battery in his van as his starter battery as well as his pump battery. His alternator and solar panels keep his battery fully charged.
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While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?
I don't think I would want that battery when I read the specs.
According to their recent grading listings that they have signed up to (NCC), their £95 (reduced from £105) 115amp leisure battery is only a class C rated. The specs list it's charging cycles as 80.
https://www.halfords.com/camping-leisure/caravan-motorhomes/electrical-power/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb681
Thats a pretty poor show for a window cleaning battery.
I would rather go for a Numax for £5 more and get a battery with a 500 cycle rating. (Numax doesn't apear to have signed up to NCC rating, but I have had very good service from Numax batteries and would recommend them even although Numax won't warranty their batteries when used by window cleaners.)
https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/
I'm glad Halfords have signed up the the NCC rating. Even their class B 100 amp leisure battery doesn't measure up that much better with 200 cycles
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb700
Even their top of the range AGM battery doesn't seem to 'cut the mustard.'
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb800
NCC =
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_schemes/ncc_verified_leisure_battery_scheme.aspx
I have two batteries from Halfords purchased Sep 2017. They are wired in parallel, so about 230ah in total. They are charged by a Ctek M200 charger every night. They run a pump, flow controller and a webasto for about 7 hours a day. They are both shot and need replacing so I'd agree Spruce. They are crap.
Halford's isn't a bargain store. Nothing is cheap. There is a lot of cheap stuff sold at high prices. They are a retail store that is geared up to sell at the top prices they can get.
I bought a spin on oil filter for my car from them once. I paid £9.99. I pay £3.00 at our local motor factors for a similar filter. I've been buying that same filter for the past 10 years from that motor factor. Each of our Citroen Hdis use the same filter.
It looks like they are sell a poor quality battery for a top price. Its probably good enough for a caravaner who has it on charge at home, then on a split charge relay travelling on holiday and hookup when they get to their destination. Maybe is gets hammered for a few moments with a caravan motor mover but is recharge immediately.
If the caravan goes into storage over winter and the battery goes flat, then the owner is told the failure is his fault and he buys another.
Looking at these specs I now wouldn't buy that battery for window cleaning as it isn't good enough.
They're handy though Spruce. I was desperate as problems with my webasto had been diagnosed to be battery problems (it wasn't as it happens, it was using diesel instead of kero). I could go out and purchase them same day. For window cleaning they're probably ok, I'd get another year out of them but when you ask them to do some serious work they aren't up to it.
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I charge mine every night without fail
That is the way foreward. Thats the only way to keep a battery in good nick.
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What do you guys do over the weekend if not working?
Do you leave it on charge from Friday evening til Monday morning
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Stick it on charge on Sunday evening ready for Monday morning?
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Just like Ctek chargers, I’ll never go past Yuasa batteries.
My last one lasted 4 years before I sold it.
Ctek charger and yuasa battery...... match made in the skies. ;D
Like anything good, there not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Don’t get me wrong there not crazy expensive either. Just top end.
Im fairly confident that im correct in saying the Halfords Leisure Batteries are made by Yuasa.
Thats the one! i used to work in halfords and im sure thats who they are or were made by.
People used to rave about the hellfrauds batterys a few years ago which is why i bought them but maybe they have changed manufacturer
And i agree with spruce, most of what they sell is way overpriced.
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I have spent 12 of my 13 years buying £50 batteries , most of them lasted 12 months with a strict daily charge , cheap and 85 amp models though , then i had one only last 8 months , things had to change , i got the Numax 85 amp MF job and its top .
It is however backed up with alternator and solar charging as i am working , it is the only battery i carry so it runs the van and system in one , the alternator (not smart) does what it can while i am on the move but the solar more than makes up the difference .
The solar is more well thought out than an exact science , much homework was done with regard to how to configure the system for best results , i got lucky first time and am never discharging my battery more than i would say 10% a day , its always fully charged when i get home .
That in terms of cycles fully used is a drop in the ocean , this could well be the last battery i ever buy ;D
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Just like Ctek chargers, I’ll never go past Yuasa batteries.
My last one lasted 4 years before I sold it.
Ctek charger and yuasa battery...... match made in the skies. ;D
Like anything good, there not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Don’t get me wrong there not crazy expensive either. Just top end.
Im fairly confident that im correct in saying the Halfords Leisure Batteries are made by Yuasa.
Thats the one! i used to work in halfords and im sure thats who they are or were made by.
People used to rave about the hellfrauds batterys a few years ago which is why i bought them but maybe they have changed manufacturer
And i agree with spruce, most of what they sell is way overpriced.
I love it.
Halfords is convenient but you pay for that. They are geared toward selling a product to a man in the street.
We are grateful for their longer hours of business. On the coldest night of the last winter daughter in law comes to her car parked in the hospital staff parking lot and discovers her battery is dead. Someone tried to help her jump start the car but that failed. We drove the 12 miles and also tried jumper cables but that battery wouldn't accept a charge. I diagnosed it with a shorted cell.
At 7.30 my son arrived at Halfords just as they were closing and he got a replacement battery advertised on their sales stand as fresh and fully charged.
It certainly wasn't fresh and fully charged but we fitted it and again jump started the car. We were going to query the state of the battery the following day when the store reopened, but the car started fine the next morning and the battery survived the rest of winter and this summer. So for them it was a 'happy ending' but it took me a long time to thaw out. It was cold in that empty parking lot.
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Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa. Yuasa make good batteries. I think the Halfords ones are Yuasa's cheep range though.
I have had one for 2 years. After about 16 months it wouldn't take full charge. Took it back 2 times to be told it was ok. Wrote to head office but I said it powered a water pump in my van. NOT COVERED FOR THAT. Even though it was less than what a caravan powered. So make sure you says its in your caravan.
Rule of thumb is, buy a sealed battery. They don't use reconditioned lead etc. Used to be a mechanic and all the cheap reconditioned ones were re fillable
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Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa. Yuasa make good batteries. I think the Halfords ones are Yuasa's cheep range though.
I have had one for 2 years. After about 16 months it wouldn't take full charge. Took it back 2 times to be told it was ok. Wrote to head office but I said it powered a water pump in my van. NOT COVERED FOR THAT. Even though it was less than what a caravan powered. So make sure you says its in your caravan.
Rule of thumb is, buy a sealed battery. They don't use reconditioned lead etc. Used to be a mechanic and all the cheap reconditioned ones were re fillable
16 months seems a good return on investment to me. What do you expect?
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Just one final comment from me, I pulled the old battery out and found it was the identical one Halfords are selling for £95.
Checked my records and I installed it in December 2014. Almost 4 years constant use, often with 2 pumps, recharging each night. Not a bad return me thinks!
So I'm happy to pay my £95.
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Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa. Yuasa make good batteries. I think the Halfords ones are Yuasa's cheep range though.
I have had one for 2 years. After about 16 months it wouldn't take full charge. Took it back 2 times to be told it was ok. Wrote to head office but I said it powered a water pump in my van. NOT COVERED FOR THAT. Even though it was less than what a caravan powered. So make sure you says its in your caravan.
Rule of thumb is, buy a sealed battery. They don't use reconditioned lead etc. Used to be a mechanic and all the cheap reconditioned ones were re fillable
16 months seems a good return on investment to me. What do you expect?
They have a 2 year warranty. That's what I expect
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Why do you need a leisure battery, I’ve had 3 vans the only time we used a leisure battery we had problems, just run it off the van battery
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Why do you need a leisure battery, I’ve had 3 vans the only time we used a leisure battery we had problems, just run it off the van battery
Some people can do this and some people can't, even driving the same van. We haven't been able to do it as our daily running time just isn't enough to recharge the starter battery.
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Why do you need a leisure battery, I’ve had 3 vans the only time we used a leisure battery we had problems, just run it off the van battery
I did this for a few year but my Transit has 2 batteries. One runs off a split charger, so ideal.
My friend had the same set up as me. Electric reel etc. He had a van battery and a 80 amp leisure battery. His was faster, so decided to get a 110 amp leisure. Ended up slower.
I now run a 110 leisure of my van 2nd battery, so 3 batteries. It still runs flat. The reel takes some juice.
Leisure batteries are designed to be discharged. Van batteries arnt. If you park up and do most of a street, it will kill it quick
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I parked up in 1 street today and emptied a 350 tank , I still had a full battery when i finished ;D ;D ;D
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The sun was out though ! ;D
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I parked up in 1 street today and emptied a 350 tank , I still had a full battery when i finished ;D ;D ;D
Never thought, you wouldn't be using an electric reel all the time then. Pumps use nothing
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Why do you need a leisure battery, I’ve had 3 vans the only time we used a leisure battery we had problems, just run it off the van battery
I did this for a few year but my Transit has 2 batteries. One runs off a split charger, so ideal.
My friend had the same set up as me. Electric reel etc. He had a van battery and a 80 amp leisure battery. His was faster, so decided to get a 110 amp leisure. Ended up slower.
I now run a 110 leisure of my van 2nd battery, so 3 batteries. It still runs flat. The reel takes some juice.
Leisure batteries are designed to be discharged. Van batteries arnt. If you park up and do most of a street, it will kill it quick
what electric reel have you got duncan?i dont find the reels use much juice at all even if im reeling in 10 times in a day which i do some days(PF reelmaster)......
also leisure batteries are NOT designed to be discharged lower than 50% on a regular basis...it will shorten the life of the battery....
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I have that halfords battery and have also noticed after nearly a year that its pants. Tbf I have discharged it below 50 % on a few occasions through my own laziness / neglect. I'll be charging it each night now but I've a feeling I'll be replacing it once it gets colder. Does anyone have recommendations for replacement and supplier ? Tia
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I have that halfords battery and have also noticed after nearly a year that its pants. Tbf I have discharged it below 50 % on a few occasions through my own laziness / neglect. I'll be charging it each night now but I've a feeling I'll be replacing it once it gets colder. Does anyone have recommendations for replacement and supplier ? Tia
I would go for a Numax
https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/
Preferrably I would check around the caravan/motorhome outlets and see if you can source one there as you have more chance of getting a warranty sorted. However, the issue comes with getting one that has been lying around in storage uncharged.
Numax don't like window cleaners and so will not warranty a battery used by us as we are battery abusers.
However, we have had exceptional service from each Numax battery and I would happily take on the warranty risk if I bought one on the internet. But that's my personal opinion based on my personal experience.
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Im with Spruce on this one , he twisted my arm a bit with regard to Numax , I went for the xv24mf as I wanted to use it as the van starter also , the 31 wouldnt fit under my dinky bonnet !
It has already lasted longer than the £50 cheapies I was stupidly using before , its been sat in the engine bay since 15.01.18 without a bench charge yet , but dont forget I have alternator and solar charge on the go .
Numax is money well spent if you look after it as you should , the clue is in the weight of a good battery , also the xv24mf has a listing of 500 cycles , not many cheaper ones come close .
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Im with Spruce on this one , he twisted my arm a bit with regard to Numax , I went for the xv24mf as I wanted to use it as the van starter also , the 31 wouldnt fit under my dinky bonnet !
It has already lasted longer than the £50 cheapies I was stupidly using before , its been sat in the engine bay since 15.01.18 without a bench charge yet , but dont forget I have alternator and solar charge on the go .
Numax is money well spent if you look after it as you should , the clue is in the weight of a good battery , also the xv24mf has a listing of 500 cycles , not many cheaper ones come close .
Interestingly, the cheaper Numax batteries now also have an NCC rating - class C; 80 charge cycles.
https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/lv22mf/
Looking at the specs, this is one I wouldn't buy along with some other LV models that are also classed as NCC class 3. A better Numax battery doesn't cost that much more.
I have been into 2 caravan accessory shops lately and both have had a big advertising board promoting the latest silver Numax battery as the best ever for the leisure industry. But its classified as class B.
Then we have this;
https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xdc31mf/
Its specs states; Exceptional Cyclic Capability for Extra Deep Cycling. Its classed as class A. The XDT30MF has 2000 charging cycles at 50% discharged which is quite impressive for my usage. Worth paying the extra for? In my opinion, yes even although I think the yellow top isn't a good colour choice.
https://www.thencc.org.uk/downloads/Verified_Battery_Register_03.10.2018.pdf
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And what may I ask do you have against yellow ? ;D
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Very well priced if it does indeed return 2000 cycles , would have to be the ideal battery for a bod like Daz with a hungry heater and reel
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Or you could go for this if you were thoroughly stupid and could be seen coming a mile off ;D
https://www.varitech.systems/product/battery-lead-acid-leisure-12v-100ah/
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Or you could go for this if you were thoroughly stupid and could be seen coming a mile off ;D
https://www.varitech.systems/product/battery-lead-acid-leisure-12v-100ah/
Agree. But they will sell them to a 'captured' customer. They fit systems and do servicing. A customer pays X for a new system to be fitted. So the battery price is hidden in the overall cost.
A customer has an issue as his system isn't working so the battery is fitted and charged to the customer. Many times a customer will have no idea how much a leisure battery is and will just pay the price invoiced.
Now the customer might know what the price is of a new battery and decide that he will fit his own next time. But the next issue further down the line is the diesel heater is playing up.
It needs servicing and it needs a new battery as the one you have has lost capacity. So the customer might be 'forced' into buying a replacement at that price again whilst the Webasto is being serviced.
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And what may I ask do you have against yellow ? ;D
Nothing actually. It's just that shade of yellow. :-\
But I'm taken with the performance specs.
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On spruces pdf link there's Yusa HalfordsHLB800 which is £145 and the equivalent Yusa L36 AGM is around £180 which makes the Halfords HLB800 a good buy. It's literally a different sticker!
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For the purpose of comparing the Halfords Yusa hlb800 (429 life cycles) what is the stated life cycles of the Numax xdc 31mf. I can only find a mention of it being 450-500 on a yachting site but nothing else from any suppliers other than it was only a class C due to casing restraints.
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For the purpose of comparing the Halfords Yusa hlb800 (429 life cycles) what is the stated life cycles of the Numax xdc 31mf. I can only find a mention of it being 450-500 on a yachting site but nothing else from any suppliers other than it was only a class C due to casing restraints.
That's interesting. I was a little confused and talking at cross purposes when joking with P&F about the yellow cover.
Manbat say;
In the XDC range Numax’s extra cyclic batteries offer exceptional cyclic capabilities. The XDC24MF offering 80Ah is renowned for its high performance and is regarded to be the best battery in its size category despite the fact it is only able to gain a C class NCC rating due to casing constraints. Along with this the XDC range also consists of the XDC27MF (95Ah) and the XDC31MF (105Ah) both with the potential to achieve a category A NCC rating.[/color]
http://www.manbat.co.uk/news/numax-the-leading-leisure-battery-brand/
What has casing restraints got to do with the rating given to a battery? And again just because they say the XDC31MF has the potential to achieve class A rating doesn't mean it will achieve it.
I took the class A rating of the XDT30MF and presumed it was in the same class as the XDC31MF battery, but its clearly not until its NCC rated.
Another point is that Manbat say that their 30MF (refering to the XDT30MF battery) has a cyclic rating of over 1000 cycles where the NCC rating says 2000 cycles.
The final battery in Numax’s all new leisure range is the XDT30MF which is a class A rating, consisting of 115Ah it is the perfect battery for more difficult environmental conditions. The 30MF also brags its ability to achieve over 1,000 cycles; it also carries tubular plate technology making it more robust. Finally the XDT30MF has both an enhanced life expectancy and enhanced performance in order to gain a lower depth of discharge, making it an extremely high quality, reliable battery.
Now I am confused! Either Numax are being very conservative or the NCC use totally different rating's standards. The only good thing with NCC ratings are that if each battery is tested using the same standard it gives us a good comparision so we can make an informed buying decision.
Now that throws another spanner into the works. Would I pay £186.00 for a super battery or £114 for one not quite as good but from a brand that has always given me excellent service?