Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paul alan on September 14, 2018, 07:07:37 pm
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What do you think to this?
What do you reckon to the methods? would it really be effective?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnl3B_c4fa8
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=213467.0
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I think Bonneymans sell a similar product called "Cling foam"...and costs a lot less
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=213467.0
Was a little slow wasn't I
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All that expensive gear! :o
I use..
1. A bucket
2. Bio Washing Detergent
total cost £4.
I'm so fed up with the rip off snake oil in our industry.
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All that expensive gear! :o
I use..
1. A bucket
2. Bio Washing Detergent
total cost £4.
I'm so fed up with the rip off snake oil in our industry.
Does look good though.
Bio washing powder....just realised who you are!
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I like the whole "touchless" concept.
I mean, the finish wasn't great, but I suppose it may be acceptable from a distance. Especially if it is the best finish achievable without the possibility of damage, the customer might buy that.
A lot less physical work by us.
I have had 5 ltr of that vision caustic tfr delivered last week, I am going to buy a 5 ltr pump sprayer tomorrow and adapt it my old 18ft clx. Cant wait to try out on some dirty work, obviously being very cautious with the amount of time its left on for.
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Looks good but Ionics is overpriced as F***
I'd rather just send my employee out with Degreaser mixture in bucket, apply straight to roof leave a few mins work in then rinse off. Does just a good as job as anything and i'm not having to do the hard work ha ;D ;D
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I like ionics stuff and have two of there systems but anyone who pays £650 for that sprayer is a compleat idiot Gardiners backpack holds 22 ltr and costs about £113 I think does the same job , cannot see ionics selling many
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I like ionics stuff and have two of there systems but anyone who pays £650 for that sprayer is a compleat idiot Gardiners backpack holds 22 ltr and costs about £113 I think does the same job , cannot see ionics selling many
They’ll sell a few. A lot of Ionics users are buying the kit on finance so they’ll be selling to them as “it’s only an extra £12 per week over 5 years.”
Crazy money for what a £10 sprayer will do imo.
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All that expensive gear! :o
I use..
1. A bucket
2. Bio Washing Detergent
total cost £4.
I'm so fed up with the rip off snake oil in our industry.
Pathetic isn’t it.
I use a gardiner back pack sprayer, with fairy, water and some sodium hypo. I spray the mix through my pole with a gardiner fan jet on the end of the pole hose (cable tied to the gooseneck) and bobs your uncle. Comes up spot on, in fact comes up much better than the finials that video showed.
Bit of common sense and a back pack is all you need to ‘softwash’ a conny roof.
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That's why I hate ionics.......absolute rip off merchants
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Pump sprayers with TFR in.
Give it a brush.
Hose pipe off.
Any stubborn bits, do again.
Finish glass with pure as you would normally do
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Most on here hate ionic, myself included. I think they are total rip off artists. When I first was considering upgrading to wfp I went to Sheffield for one of their sales tour markets and I wanted to talk about all the ideas I had seen on YouTube and additional research I had done and the sales chap was who put me off ionic. The reason why? He just slagged off all the competition and belittled their ideas like the swivel heads etc. They have this attitude that they are the market leaders and thats the end off. Also didn't like when I asked about their huge price differences in relation to their competitors when essentially the ingredients are the same.
However, dispite me or others thinking they are rip off merchants, it is obviously working for them as they continue to make huge profits.
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Grippatank and Ionics should merge as one company absolute rip off companies
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This is no different to anything else in the world we live in today.
Half the stuff we buy is not needed, it just looks nice.
who needs a brand new van, who needs designer clothes, etc etc.
you want it buy it, you dont you dont.
of course its overpriced, over marketted poope, but what isnt really.
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Grippatank and Ionics should merge as one company absolute rip off companies
Personally I like grippatank.....ok my hot water system was expensive but I wanted hot water on tap to use every day of the year(safely) with frost stat feature and decent batteries and chargers.its a quality system.....and they have great customer service like gardiners so I'll continue to use and recommend them.......
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“Most here hate ionic”
Lol. Don’t forget, most here are also idiots.
I am on my 2nd pure2o system (made by Ionics) and have no hesitation in recommending ionics to anyone. Their systems are top notch, and if you don’t have the budget then there’s the pure2o range.
Even bigger lol that you wanted to talk about all the ridiculous tat you see on YouTube and we’re given short shrift from the sales guy. Why not go into a Toyota showroom and try to talk about “all your ideas” to make cars better based on what you’ve seen on YouTube. Amazingly, you may find that the salesman isn’t all that interested!
Ionics are the industry leaders for a very simple reason. They know what they’re doing, (and so do their customers.)
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Pete,
Having an ionics system, doesn’t make you a window cleaner who ‘knows what they are doing’
It makes you a window cleaner who bought an ionics system rather than the tens of other options. That’s it.
I think many on here would argue that it’s actually more likely that window cleaners who buy ionics don’t know what there doing. Simply because, if they did, they wouldn’t be ripped off by buying it in the first place.
If you’ve got money to burn, then fair enough. But in the context of this spray thing they’ve released, it’s just a glorified backpack. That really is all it is. To me, I would never dream of buying it, when I can get exactly the same results from a gardiner backpack for £100’s less - that to me, shows a window cleaner who knows what he’s doing, not one that doesn’t.
I drive a top of the range transit custom, but have a diy (very good) system inside. This was my choice because:
A. It was a lot cheaper than a ‘branded system’ but uses essentially all the same parts.
B: I know exactly how it works, and can fix any issue easily.
C. No one sees the system, or cares what it looks like or weather it says ‘ionics’ on it. So I was never tempted with one.
The reason I got the nice van, is because it looks professional, it’s practical for my needs, and it’s comfortable to drive and work from. The same doesn’t apply to the window cleaning system, because no one sees it. It’s a waste of money to spend to ££££ on a system or a fancy looking sprayer when the cheaper alternatives do the exact same thing.
Vans poles and work wear for example, by all means get the best. Because there is a difference. Just not with a backspace sprayer or van system. A shurflo pump is a shurflo pump no matter how much you dress it up.
Ionics = good marketing = catches people’s attention = parting with unnecessary money.
;D
By the way - ionics really aren’t the industry leaders. Hence everyone (alright not everyone but most) buy Gardiner poles. The ionics poles in my personal opinion are terrible. Really terrible. You’d think they’d have the best poles on the market if they were industry leaders.
They are industry leaders - in one thing, marketing.
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“Most here hate ionic”
Lol. Don’t forget, most here are also idiots.
I am on my 2nd pure2o system (made by Ionics) and have no hesitation in recommending ionics to anyone. Their systems are top notch, and if you don’t have the budget then there’s the pure2o range.
Even bigger lol that you wanted to talk about all the ridiculous tat you see on YouTube and we’re given short shrift from the sales guy. Why not go into a Toyota showroom and try to talk about “all your ideas” to make cars better based on what you’ve seen on YouTube. Amazingly, you may find that the salesman isn’t all that interested!
Ionics are the industry leaders for a very simple reason. They know what they’re doing, (and so do their customers.)
I went to ionic to look at their brushes and gooseneck and enquires of swivels. I was told the other companies had simply knocked together something in their garden shed, hence why their equipment is the market pioneers. Yet there isn't much difference in theirs in comparison.
It may not be, but on the video the gooseneck connections look like tacki plastic pieces. Then their spray bottle which holds how many litres for a hefty price tag?
I'm sure if I walked in Toyota show room and asked about the differences, they wouldn't slag off the other competition but high light what makes a Toyota stand out as different.
It's funny, when I went to this years window cleaning show, ionic had its stand their as well. I was there for a good hour or more and poor ionic looked like Billy no mates
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I have mentioned on here a couple of times my father and i have an engineering business.
We often get component manufacture requests from well known window cleaning water fed system companies , and the prices they want you to make thier products for are ridiculous. We just dont bother anymore as they want you to be able to be on standby at a moments notice to do silly number production runs of 10 units at a time for some silly cheap price.
And to add insult to injury, dealing with the owners of these businesss is hilarious. They really think they are doing you the favour by asking you to make their parts for them, and when you tell them their design isnt going to work, or cant be machined in the way the drawing is specified (because they aren't engineers and dont understand the limitations of machining some materials) they have an attitude that really stinks, and are amongst the worst types of people to work with when making parts for them.
Going back to rip off Ionics. Look if you are a self employed individual with a potential large profit to write down to save tax, then go and buy a water tank from them for 10k, as essentially thats what it is a tank a pump and some flashy slogans plastered all over it.
Imo you want to be spending money on poles.
But consider this... If you have to buy a 10k system to save on tour tax bill (which is why most people buy these things) may i suggest spending an extra 3k on a decent accountant and tax expert and you will be able to keep the 7k for yourself with a good business structure in place.
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the pure20 units (ionics cheaper brand) are actually pretty good, stainless steel crash tested frame and plastic baffled tank, I would take one of them over a lot of other systems on the market.
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I have mentioned on here a couple of times my father and i have an engineering business.
We often get component manufacture requests from well known window cleaning water fed system companies , and the prices they want you to make thier products for are ridiculous. We just dont bother anymore as they want you to be able to be on standby at a moments notice to do silly number production runs of 10 units at a time for some silly cheap price.
And to add insult to injury, dealing with the owners of these businesss is hilarious. They really think they are doing you the favour by asking you to make their parts for them, and when you tell them their design isnt going to work, or cant be machined in the way the drawing is specified (because they aren't engineers and dont understand the limitations of machining some materials) they have an attitude that really stinks, and are amongst the worst types of people to work with when making parts for them.
Going back to rip off Ionics. Look if you are a self employed individual with a potential large profit to write down to save tax, then go and buy a water tank from them for 10k, as essentially thats what it is a tank a pump and some flashy slogans plastered all over it.
Imo you want to be spending money on poles.
But consider this... If you have to buy a 10k system to save on tour tax bill (which is why most people buy these things) may i suggest spending an extra 3k on a decent accountant and tax expert and you will be able to keep the 7k for yourself with a good business structure in place.
And buy a van that's got a big enough payload for the water your carrying so your legal on the road.....
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I dont fill it up to the brim Dazmond.
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I dont fill it up to the brim Dazmond.
But you did say that you fill the tank with 470 litres of water. I think your van has a payload of 625 kg? So the time you add your weight, fuel, tank, frame if you use one, reel, battery etc and any additional equipment you will be overweight.
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I dont fill it up to the brim Dazmond.
But you did say that you fill the tank with 470 litres of water. I think your van has a payload of 625 kg? So the time you add your weight, fuel, tank, frame if you use one, reel, battery etc and any additional equipment you will be overweight.
I dont fill my diesel tank either. I only put in 10 litres a week in specificly to keep weight down. As i am all local.
I have one reel, one pump, one battery, one pole, one small bucket with squeegies in,no tank frame,rachet strapped.
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That’s just so messy, don’t fill the tank, only 10 litres of fuel ? Hardly the height of running a professional operation ? Or are you just backtracking a bit to justify your overweight set up ??
Darran
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That’s just so messy, don’t fill the tank, only 10 litres of fuel ? Hardly the height of running a professional operation ? Or are you just backtracking a bit to justify your overweight set up ??
Darran
You know what.
I am sick of this forum.
"Hardly a profesional operation"
What because i only need to fill up with 10 litres of diesel a week, i am somehow unprofessional? Most if not all of my work is compact and local im lucky if i do 10 miles a day.
The fact i have a 550 litre tank and only need to fill it to 460 makes me a cowboy does it now? I have a 550 litre tank so there is a nice gap between the tank lid and the water line. This way water doesn't slosh past the lid and soak my van. If i put in a 450 litre tank and filled it right up to the brim it would slosh out the lid( they are never watertight)
I am well aware of the limitations of a t200 connect. The facts are i do my best to stay under the weight limit by not filling it with more fuel than i need for the week. Its called running an efficient operation for my current business needs within the scope of tools i have. I will be buying a another van soon, but only when i have enough work to pop someone in it and kit it out safely.
My work is very compact, very well planned, and my operation is from.the customers point of view (which is what matters) very profesional. I leave an invoice with the next clean date, i stick to those dates. All my customers know exacly when i am coming well in advance with no texting the night before, i never have access.or late payment issues as a result. I am a ltd company, fully insured for both public and employee liability ( even me yes employee liability, even though i dont legally need it for myself my actions are covered as an employee) and you have the cheek to say i'm unprofessional?
I only need to work 4 days a week, and im nearly at 60k.a year turnover on My own, i have whole roads of customers where it takes me 4 hours to turn over 400 quid on some rounds but of course...
Im a lier.
Im making all this up.
My van is a joke..
I dont clean the sills properly.
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Liar?
I’m window cleaning for the first time in months and I can smell dog poop on my fingers.
What does the ionic system do that others don’t?
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On the subject of unprofessional appearances, why dont you have a look at these invoice slips i leave and tell me how unprofesional they look?
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1537270423_20180918_122851.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1537270441_20180918_123000.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1537270457_20180918_123006.jpg)
I wrote a template in visual basic to synchronise with my database to print these automatically.
I just run them off.
Dont Tell me have an unprofessional outfit.
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Wow - hit a raw nerve there didn’t we!
From experience trying to run a van with an oversize tank and “only” filling it to say 3/4 has too many temptations to fill it up “just this time” then it becomes a regular thing esp. when you have an employee - get into good habits and have the correct equipment installed - why are your tanks leaking ? Mine don’t
You stated 10 litres to keep the weight down, not me, just seems a strange way to run a van IMO
I would, if I were you just get it on a weigh bridge you will be surprised at the actual weight
At the end of the day it’s your licience and insurance that’s at risk? I assume they know you have a 550 litre tank installed - they, come a claim will point out that overloads the van and invalidates your insurance - they won’t care you claim it was only half full
And because you do all of he other things so well, it’s surprising you “fluff” on this area
By all means willy wave away about £400 in 4 hours and 60k a year doing 4 days work a week that really such a justifiable argument
Darran
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The tank is not fixed. Its strapped down using the lashing points fitted at factory.
Therefore its within the scope of my insurance policy as its not modified.
Yes it did hit a raw nerve.
Tbh i have had enough of this forum and the members on here. You all only interested in one thing, thats to pull others down, and break them apart.
Anyway i havent time for this anymore. Ill leave you lot to tear each other down.. im off, to concentrate on my business.
Yes..i am flouncing.
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As you fully well know, many on here are only to happy to help
I think you have problems seeing other people’s points of view and certainly taking their opinions on board
Best of luck in the future
Darran
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I think Mark has problems full stop!
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Where’s “Wokiing”?
Maybe check your spellings on your invoices.
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I love a good hissy fit.
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Where’s “Wokiing”?
Maybe check your spellings on your invoices.
Damn! I'm supposed to be the spelling Nazi round here; I missed that! ;D
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at the end of the day we all do what we want but surely if your earning £100 an hour on some work and turning over close to 60k a year you could afford a decent van thats not gonna be illegal on the road first thing in the morning? ::)roll
i dont get it? :(
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at the end of the day we all do what we want but surely if your earning £100 an hour on some work and turning over close to 60k a year you could afford a decent van thats not gonna be illegal on the road first thing in the morning? ::)roll
i dont get it? :(
Cost money to make money. (lol I have too many past debts that I'm still sorting out before anyone tells me to get a new van 😂)
A new van for yourself would take away the added stress of such things as the payload been reached and would that burger mean that only 8ltrs can be used now ;D
Then the outward show would match all the fancy paper invoices you have and your business would feel as one