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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jonboywalton75 on September 12, 2018, 10:01:56 pm
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My son is looking for a used van up to £5.000,
Needs to take a 500ltr tank
Any suggestions lads.
Any to avoid???
Cheers for recommendations in advance
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My son is looking for a used van up to £5.000,
Needs to take a 500ltr tank
Any suggestions lads.
Any to avoid???
Cheers for recommendations in advance
Although some may disagree, a van with 1,000+kg payload would be best as a single operator (water weight + 500kg). You can get away with less if you habitually travel light.
No specific suggestions except to avoid older Trafic, Vivaro and Primastars (all the same van with different badges).
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My peogeot partner has an 850 payload and still goes well when my 500 tank is full..I will be close to the limit at the start of the day
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Partner 850 is a good van
Should get a decent one for 5k
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Cheers for the replies so far.
was thinking Transit Connect but will certainly consider the Peugeot
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My peogeot partner has an 850 payload and still goes well when my 500 tank is full..I will be close to the limit at the start of the day
Have to disagree with you there, our dispatch is 850 and defo went over weight with 500 ltr tank - and you could see it as the arches were almost to the tyres
400 ltr max for that payload IMO
Darran
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Anyone recommending The Fiat Doblo?
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Anyone recommending The Fiat Doblo?
I have a lwb one , can't fault it. Do a search on the forum there has been a few topics on them.
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I'll do a search, cheers for that super quick reply😀
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I have a connect with a 550 litre tank
Its been absolutely fine. Im usually filled with around 470 litres for the day. Any higher and it sloshes all over the place and ends up in the front footwell
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I have a connect with a 550 litre tank
Its been absolutely fine. Im usually filled with around 470 litres for the day. Any higher and it sloshes all over the place and ends up in the front footwell
Is that the T230?
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I have a connect with a 550 litre tank
Its been absolutely fine. Im usually filled with around 470 litres for the day. Any higher and it sloshes all over the place and ends up in the front footwell
Is that the T230 ding dong?
No its the t200. But go for the 230 if you can.
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My peogeot partner has an 850 payload and still goes well when my 500 tank is full..I will be close to the limit at the start of the day
Have to disagree with you there, our dispatch is 850 and defo went over weight with 500 ltr tank - and you could see it as the arches were almost to the tyres
400 ltr max for that payload IMO
Darran
I have the old shape dispatch (2006) 2.0hdi with 900kg payload. It has a custom built 550l tank and when full comes in just under the limit on a weighbridge.
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A connect t200 will be well overweight with a 500l tank for sure...the payload is crap....625kg...if you go for a connect it's got to be a LWB T230 or 240 L2(New shape version)they have payloads of 905kg and 936kg respectively.....
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I am going to be selling a Vauxhall combo 2011 61 reg 1.7 cdti 2000 soon, has a 500l custom baffled tank delivery only full set up, for around 4k plus vat so within your budget
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Sounds interesting Scrimble, see you're based in Staffordshire. I'm in Cheshire, so not far.
Also just wondering when you're thinking of selling (soon???)
If you could email me some details of the van please., (payload, service history mileage etc) on
jjwcleaning@yahoo.co.uk
Cheers
Jon
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Sounds interesting Scrimble, see you're based in Staffordshire. I'm in Cheshire, so not far.
Also just wondering when you're thinking of selling (soon???)
If you could email me some details of the van please., (payload, service history mileage etc) on
jjwcleaning@yahoo.co.uk
Cheers
Jon
Yes it will be forsale soon as I have a ordered a new van which is on its way, will send you an email now
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My son is loving his Van, Mark, just wondering if you will be selling any more of your combos or have you replaced all your older combos with new ones?
A mate saw my sons combo and may be interested if you're selling another.
Cheers
Jon
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My peogeot partner has an 850 payload and still goes well when my 500 tank is full..I will be close to the limit at the start of the day
Have to disagree with you there, our dispatch is 850 and defo went over weight with 500 ltr tank - and you could see it as the arches were almost to the tyres
400 ltr max for that payload IMO
Darran
My son puts a dozen bricks in his Berlingo 800LX and its flat on the suspension. ;D
The older PSA vans excluded 75kgs from the payload for the driver's weight. I believe its now 50kgs. I would get it weighed with a full tank and driver and all gear and see where you stand.
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Ignore the payload etc small vans like that are not able to cope well with that kind of weight,I’ve had a connect and tbh the weight killed the van. A small van will eat through tyres with half a ton do track rod arms suspension mounts as well as the clutch,since I’ve had a medium size van those things haven’t been an issue as they are better able to cope with that kind of weight,you’ll get loads with small vans come here now saying I’ve not clue etc but I’ve had a small van with a 500 and like I say it killed it,I had a LWB connect from new.
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My son is loving his Van, Mark, just wondering if you will be selling any more of your combos or have you replaced all your older combos with new ones?
A mate saw my sons combo and may be interested if you're selling another.
Cheers
Jon
glad he likes the van, that combo was the last of them only have doblo's now, they are good vans, like I said if you could still buy them new I would have a fleet of them
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Ignore the payload etc small vans like that are not able to cope well with that kind of weight,I’ve had a connect and tbh the weight killed the van. A small van will eat through tyres with half a ton do track rod arms suspension mounts as well as the clutch,since I’ve had a medium size van those things haven’t been an issue as they are better able to cope with that kind of weight,you’ll get loads with small vans come here now saying I’ve not clue etc but I’ve had a small van with a 500 and like I say it killed it,I had a LWB connect from new.
Utter nonsense.
I’ve had 3 berlingos, (850kg payload) all from new and with a 450 litre tank in. All have been as good after 3 years aas they were on the first day. I do 15k miles per year a lot of which are with a full or nearly full tank.
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Here we go utter nonsense etc I’ve had a smaller van which I had for 6 years,it was a good van when I was carrying less water but when I had it full up with 500 litres it was to much for it. It felt unstable and tbh in wet or winter conditions it felt unsafe when full. I have a transporter now and when my tank is brimmed I hardly know it,my advise to anyone starting out and considering WFP long term would be get a medium sized van if your thinking of carrying 500 upwards,smaller vans are fine with less weight don’t forget a lot of the smaller vans have the same shock and suspension and brake setup as there car brothers and sisters.
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Seriously I lost count of how many times it went in for pads,my mechanic told me countless times it’s the weight I was carrying. Never really had engine issues with it but everytime it went in for a service there was a suspension issue,like I say over the six years I used a smaller van I lost count of tyres and pads-discs and suspension parts I had to pay for.
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Here we go utter nonsense etc I’ve had a smaller van which I had for 6 years,it was a good van when I was carrying less water but when I had it full up with 500 litres it was to much for it. It felt unstable and tbh in wet or winter conditions it felt unsafe when full. I have a transporter now and when my tank is brimmed I hardly know it,my advise to anyone starting out and considering WFP long term would be get a medium sized van if your thinking of carrying 500 upwards,smaller vans are fine with less weight don’t forget a lot of the smaller vans have the same shock and suspension and brake setup as there car brothers and sisters.
i have connect L2 240 and it pulls fine with a full 500L tank and diesel heater......936kg payload....the wheel arches are not on the floor like they were on the kangoo i used to have!(and that only had a 350L tank in the back!) ;D
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Here we go utter nonsense etc I’ve had a smaller van which I had for 6 years,it was a good van when I was carrying less water but when I had it full up with 500 litres it was to much for it. It felt unstable and tbh in wet or winter conditions it felt unsafe when full. I have a transporter now and when my tank is brimmed I hardly know it,my advise to anyone starting out and considering WFP long term would be get a medium sized van if your thinking of carrying 500 upwards,smaller vans are fine with less weight don’t forget a lot of the smaller vans have the same shock and suspension and brake setup as there car brothers and sisters.
So you’re basing your findings on a sample size of 1 van? Nice one.
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Yeah because all the other makes are so much different aren’t they lol,a lot of people go on about the maximum payload let’s not forget that’s maximum payload. When they sell these vans do you honestly think that every morning they think you are going to stick in the MAXIMUM payload and things won’t break,,ok every now and again the van will be fine with max weight in but do it day in day out you’ll kill it. The LWB connect I had was ok when down to about 300ltrs it handled like my transporter does with over 500 in it,I would always advise go up and over the payload you are going to carry everyday when you choose a van.
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If you want a van for WFP that’ll last 5 minutes get an Astra or similar type van,same suspension as the car version 😂 along with the brakes. Good luck there in the winter I know a bloke who has 1 the van is on its arse when it comes past me a couple of times a week with 250 litres and 2 x 25 liter barrels in it lol.
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Anyone considering a small van for WFP get a bucket seat and full race harness installed in the drivers seat before you put the tank in 😂 as well as a top of the range crash helmet for when you end up in a ditch on a frosty morning
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the newer connect L2 240s are ace....the suspension is DEFO not like a car suspension! ::)roll
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1539780189_2015-07-23 15.45.57.jpg)My son is loving his Van, Mark, just wondering if you will be selling any more of your combos or have you replaced all your older combos with new ones?
A mate saw my sons combo and may be interested if you're selling another.
Cheers
Jon
glad he likes the van, that combo was the last of them only have doblo's now, they are good vans, like I said if you could still buy them new I would have a fleet of them
Thanks anyway Mark
Whenever you want to sort the tracker just let me know
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Here we go utter nonsense etc I’ve had a smaller van which I had for 6 years,it was a good van when I was carrying less water but when I had it full up with 500 litres it was to much for it. It felt unstable and tbh in wet or winter conditions it felt unsafe when full. I have a transporter now and when my tank is brimmed I hardly know it,my advise to anyone starting out and considering WFP long term would be get a medium sized van if your thinking of carrying 500 upwards,smaller vans are fine with less weight don’t forget a lot of the smaller vans have the same shock and suspension and brake setup as there car brothers and sisters.
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its pretty obvious to me, a van with a higher payload will carry the load much easier than a smaller van right on its payload limit. Like you said a lot (not all) smaller vans are car derived, same suspension, brakes and engine.
If you dont want a larger van, thats fine as long as its legal theres no problem but if you can i would always get the biggest van available. Less wear and tear, will hold the road better etc.
Imagine a skinny little chap with twig arms and legs walking up the street with a sack of spuds on his back vs a big bodybuilder type with a sack of spuds on his back, who is going to carry the load easier?
Its just common sense really.
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Here we go utter nonsense etc I’ve had a smaller van which I had for 6 years,it was a good van when I was carrying less water but when I had it full up with 500 litres it was to much for it. It felt unstable and tbh in wet or winter conditions it felt unsafe when full. I have a transporter now and when my tank is brimmed I hardly know it,my advise to anyone starting out and considering WFP long term would be get a medium sized van if your thinking of carrying 500 upwards,smaller vans are fine with less weight don’t forget a lot of the smaller vans have the same shock and suspension and brake setup as there car brothers and sisters.
Really - you dont half talk some ****
the payload is based around the Gross Weight the van is legally allowed to be on the road - hence different models /makes take differing amounts
do you not think/heard of safety margins ?? there is always extra the van can cope with but a limit is set for safe everyday use
example - i use a 10 tonne crane and try to lift 10.1 tonnes - does it collapse NO! - it can handle 15 tonnes however doing so will put strain on the system to the point of breaking down prematurely - at 10 tonnes and under the crane will work day in day out for years - i dont need to go and buy a 20 tonne rated crane to lift 10 tonnes
the load rating - GVW are worked out on the same basis - its called good engineering practise
Darran
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Here we go utter nonsense etc I’ve had a smaller van which I had for 6 years,it was a good van when I was carrying less water but when I had it full up with 500 litres it was to much for it. It felt unstable and tbh in wet or winter conditions it felt unsafe when full. I have a transporter now and when my tank is brimmed I hardly know it,my advise to anyone starting out and considering WFP long term would be get a medium sized van if your thinking of carrying 500 upwards,smaller vans are fine with less weight don’t forget a lot of the smaller vans have the same shock and suspension and brake setup as there car brothers and sisters.
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its pretty obvious to me, a van with a higher payload will carry the load much easier than a smaller van right on its payload limit. Like you said a lot (not all) smaller vans are car derived, same suspension, brakes and engine.
If you dont want a larger van, thats fine as long as its legal theres no problem but if you can i would always get the biggest van available. Less wear and tear, will hold the road better etc.
Imagine a skinny little chap with twig arms and legs walking up the street with a sack of spuds on his back vs a big bodybuilder type with a sack of spuds on his back, who is going to carry the load easier?
Its just common sense really.
if he is not overloaded the little man will be fine and not eat you out of house and home like the big guy !!!!! ;D
bigger van - more expensive to run
Darran
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Bigger van more to run not always I was literally eating tyres and brake pads and using more fuel over a 2.5 liter van compared to a 1.6 liter van. The thing had it’s engine thrashed to get it up hills,you could feel the van hurting,if I put a 1000 liter in my transporter it would have the same effect as a 500 had on the connect. I’ve had them both so for me it’s a no brainier i would never go for a smaller van again unless it was purely for local work with a smaller tank.
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The redline on my van is say 5-6000 but I never normally have to go over 3000,if I drove it about thrashing it at or above it’s rev limit it would be knackered in no time. The same thing with the suspension and brakes etc with a little van if you keep maxing it out with weight things will snap and wear out fast,like I said I had a van that was too small for the job for 6 years.
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i only do 4000 miles a year in my van so it should last many years! ;D
how many miles a year did you do in the old style connect you had nigel?
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My Doblo 1.3 multijet was bought new in October 2006 (736kg payload)
From day one it had a 400 tank plus me. (90kg)
For six glorious months in 2011 it had me, Dan the man, (110kg) a 400L plus it pulled a trailer with another 200L on it until I bought my present van. :o :o :o
Now it is Dan the man plus 400.
12 years old, going strong.
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That’s far too young to be working! Doesn’t he go to school?
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101000 I kept struggling with the fact everything had to come out and go back into a new van the diesel heater was the thing that stopped me changing it,if grippa had been around then I would have changed it sooner as they do a driveway fitting service. You need to have gone from a smaller van to a bigger 1 to comment fairly,it’s ok saying your small van is fine and copes perfectly well I’m sure some obviously think that but put the same weight into a bigger van and you’ll see instantly my point as far as drivability and safety is concerned.
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101000 I kept struggling with the fact everything had to come out and go back into a new van the diesel heater was the thing that stopped me changing it,if grippa had been around then I would have changed it sooner as they do a driveway fitting service. You need to have gone from a smaller van to a bigger 1 to comment fairly,it’s ok saying your small van is fine and copes perfectly well I’m sure some obviously think that but put the same weight into a bigger van and you’ll see instantly my point as far as drivability and safety is concerned.
I’ve had both large and small vans.
You are basing your smaller van theory on a 6 year old van that you probably bought second hand so may have had loads of problems before you bought it.
I’ve had 3 berlingos and each have had 450 litres in and they have all been fine for the 15k miles a year that I do.
Give it a rest with your silly theories based on your own very limited experiences, others have different opinions based on more experience than you.
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If you want a van for WFP that’ll last 5 minutes get an Astra or similar type van,same suspension as the car version 😂 along with the brakes. Good luck there in the winter I know a bloke who has 1 the van is on its arse when it comes past me a couple of times a week with 250 litres and 2 x 25 liter barrels in it lol.
I had an astravan for 4 years from new with a 350 ltr system, worked well and got £5500.00 when sold
No suspension problems
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101000 I kept struggling with the fact everything had to come out and go back into a new van the diesel heater was the thing that stopped me changing it,if grippa had been around then I would have changed it sooner as they do a driveway fitting service. You need to have gone from a smaller van to a bigger 1 to comment fairly,it’s ok saying your small van is fine and copes perfectly well I’m sure some obviously think that but put the same weight into a bigger van and you’ll see instantly my point as far as drivability and safety is concerned.
OK I think I pass the criteria to comment fairly. I had 2 vans on the road, a Transit limited 280 and a Fiat Doblo Maxi, both handled similar weights equally well.
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I too have changed from my little Doblo to a bigger van - a Hyundai iload with a 2.5litre engine and 1070kg payload.
It is a nice luxury to have a 650L tank, three seats, two reels and space for my small gate climbing ladder inside and a platform and other junk inside. But it is that ... a luxury.
The Doblo 1.3 - still running - 12 years old - has cheaper road tax, better mpg and is perfectly adequate as a single operator set up on mainly domestic work. (The post 2010 Doblo's are even better with 750kg and 1000kg payload options)
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My connect was brand spanking new
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My connect was brand spanking new
so you did over 100,000 miles in 6 years?thats over 16k a year.thats a fair bit of mileage...your bound to go through tyres,brake pads etc quicker than me for example..i will have done around 24,000 miles in mine in 6 years as i only use mine for work....
vans are built for hard work whether small or large......
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Ran a fiat doblo with 400ltrs for about 5 years- it cost me less in fuel and maintenance than my current dispatch! The 1.3 multijet was every bit as good with 400ltr than the 1.6 dispatch is with 500ltr.
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To be fair though a dispatch is not dissimilar to a connect size the wise the LWB that is,I couldn’t believe the difference when opting for the bigger van you don’t know 5-600s in there compared to a smaller van.
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Must admit I don't really notice it too much when my 650 ltr tank is full in my transit custom
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If you put 800+ in either my van ie Transporter or your custom it would have the same effect as the connect did with a 500,I wouldn’t go above 750 in those even if the payload suggested otherwise. Any higher than 750ltrs I’d want a big big payload probably a high top van of some sort,i new a bloke used to put a 1000 litres in his SWB connect just a IBC tank bungees to hold it in place or at least he thought lol,completely crazy but it does go on.
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Wagga's van system comes to mind :o
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I bought a secondhand T230 transit connect. I had it for 7 yrs with 500ltr upright tank in it.
It was fantastic. I didn’t have brake , suspension or clutch issues. It handled well, you needed to be a bit more delicate fully loaded, but not much. Mpg was about the 40 mark.
From the experience I had, and if I was to be in your situation now, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another. Albeit a newer incarnation ;)
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To be fair though a dispatch is not dissimilar to a connect size the wise the LWB that is,I couldn’t believe the difference when opting for the bigger van you don’t know 5-600s in there compared to a smaller van.
I often wonder which mind altering substance you may be on at any given time Nigel!!
The Dispatch is twice the size of a connect.
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A dispatch is like a scudo that was is it not
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The top and bottom of it is a bigger van you can grow into with a smaller van you’ll always wish you’d gone bigger,I thought like this for years.
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The top and bottom of it is a bigger van you can grow into with a smaller van you’ll always wish you’d gone bigger,I thought like this for years.
not if your staying as a one man band working short hours 4 or 5 days a week.a 500L tank and a LWB connect is perfect......
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The top and bottom of it is a bigger van you can grow into with a smaller van you’ll always wish you’d gone bigger,I thought like this for years.
not if your staying as a one man band working short hours 4 or 5 days a week.a 500L tank and a LWB connect is perfect......
650 ltr(like mine ;D) could be better though Daz, leave on full flow, cut the cost and faffing of a controller and as a bonus work quicker and earn more.
Would work for you, cos like me we get cheap water.
Something for you to think about as an improvement on YOUR system Daz ::) ::)roll
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The top and bottom of it is a bigger van you can grow into with a smaller van you’ll always wish you’d gone bigger,I thought like this for years.
not if your staying as a one man band working short hours 4 or 5 days a week.a 500L tank and a LWB connect is perfect......
650 ltr(like mine ;D) could be better though Daz, leave on full flow, cut the cost and faffing of a controller and as a bonus work quicker and earn more.
Would work for you, cos like me we get cheap water.
Something for you to think about as an improvement on YOUR system Daz ::) ::)roll
;D...my system cant be improved mate....the extra weight of 150L would just be a waste and extra wear and tear on the van plus it would be illegally overloaded....no thanks.... ;D
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They dont get much smaller than this , had it 3 years now , just gone through MOT no probs , only had new front tyres , not even had brakes done yet .
Did have to do the clutch last year , but that was after 72k .
Went from a Transporter to this , all it has highlighted is how much stuff I carried that I didnt need to !
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The top and bottom of it is a bigger van you can grow into with a smaller van you’ll always wish you’d gone bigger,I thought like this for years.
not if your staying as a one man band working short hours 4 or 5 days a week.a 500L tank and a LWB connect is perfect......
650 ltr(like mine ;D) could be better though Daz, leave on full flow, cut the cost and faffing of a controller and as a bonus work quicker and earn more.
Would work for you, cos like me we get cheap water.
Something for you to think about as an improvement on YOUR system Daz ::) ::)roll
;D...my system cant be improved mate....the extra weight of 150L would just be a waste and extra wear and tear on the van plus it would be illegally overloaded....no thanks.... ;D
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