Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: John Mart on August 07, 2018, 06:39:58 pm
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http://faceliftcleaning.co.uk/the-facelift-phantom
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Ghoulishly expensive i bet.......
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still Dazmond will have one ;D
Hate it.... >:(
Love it and throw all his gardiner poles in the bin ;D ;D
Darran
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More snake oil. I suppose the newbies to the game need to buy something.
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Im a Gardiner fan but this does actually look good so far. I will be keen to see lengths weights and price.
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More snake oil. I suppose the newbies to the game need to buy something.
Snake oil? Looks a good pole. I like Gardiner poles but still have clamps coming off. That said, they’ve totally solved the wear on the section problem but the clamps coming off is a pain. It would take a lot for me to swap but I might try one.
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I like the idea of the clamp replacement, weird they haven't listed the full specs of the pole tho does make me a bit sceptical to how good it really is, it's that not they dont know what they are. Just a load of waffle at the moment with no real hard facts.
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http://faceliftcleaning.co.uk/the-facelift-phantom
Is this why Steve Jones has been so quiet lately.
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Im a Gardiner fan but this does actually look good so far. I will be keen to see lengths weights and price.
I wonder why you didn't get one to test Lee. Is it because you are a Gardiner fan?
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Im a Gardiner fan but this does actually look good so far. I will be keen to see lengths weights and price.
I wonder why you didn't get one to test Lee. Is it because you are a Gardiner fan?
Who knows.
Would have been a good idea for us to test a couple, my team destroy anything I give them! Thats why I only give them the CLX range up to 30ft and SLX/Supermax over that height.
We also have the clamp glue problem.
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Next time your gardiner clamp comes loose or comes off- just place a couple of wraps of insulating tape around the top of the section and force the clamp back on- over the tape, it'll never come loose again!
Haven't used clamp glue for years!!👍
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Next time your gardiner clamp comes loose or comes off- just place a couple of wraps of insulating tape around the top of the section and force the clamp back on- over the tape, it'll never come loose again!
Haven't used clamp glue for years!!👍
Good tip. We just insulation tape the clamps on now. It lasts longer than the glue. Doesn't look very neat though.
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Next time your gardiner clamp comes loose or comes off- just place a couple of wraps of insulating tape around the top of the section and force the clamp back on- over the tape, it'll never come loose again!
Haven't used clamp glue for years!!👍
Good tip. We just insulation tape the clamps on now. It lasts longer than the glue. Doesn't look very neat though.
If you take a scraper blade and remove any excess from the bottom of the clamp you can't even tell it's held in place by tape.
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As above
I use just one wrap insulating tape and tap it back on nice and square
No more glue and lasts the hot water too
I do like the clamps they look good and steve makes good products interesting still a fan Gardner poles though for me it’s lightness
But something that eliminates wear on the pole with replaceable parts like that certainly makes you look and think
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Next time your gardiner clamp comes loose or comes off- just place a couple of wraps of insulating tape around the top of the section and force the clamp back on- over the tape, it'll never come loose again!
Haven't used clamp glue for years!!👍
Nice 1 👍
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The Phantom pole looks good, especially the clamps, be interesting to see prices, when they release them.
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Next time your gardiner clamp comes loose or comes off- just place a couple of wraps of insulating tape around the top of the section and force the clamp back on- over the tape, it'll never come loose again!
Haven't used clamp glue for years!!👍
Good tip. We just insulation tape the clamps on now. It lasts longer than the glue. Doesn't look very neat though.
If you take a scraper blade and remove any excess from the bottom of the clamp you can't even tell it's held in place by tape.
Ah, no. We just put it on the outside. Two or three wraps and lasts for weeks.
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They look really good, if the price is similar to Gardiners I'll try one out for sure.
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The question with WFP’s has mostly been ‘how to stop poles wearing out and clamps spinning’ which frustrates the user no end.
The answer from current poles on the market, has to be to compensate for the pole wear by introducing springs, etc which seems to work to a point, but doesn’t really address the the fundamental issue of wear.
The idea behind the Phantom pole is to create something from a different perspective, ‘how can we produce something that’ doesn't wear in the first place.’ Which is a very different place to start from. The results have been outstanding.
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The idea behind the Phantom pole is to create something from a different perspective, ‘how can we produce something that’ doesn't wear in the first place.’ Which is a very different place to start from. The results have been outstanding.
So, it has a life-time guarantee?
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The idea behind the Phantom pole is to create something from a different perspective, ‘how can we produce something that’ doesn't wear in the first place.’ Which is a very different place to start from. The results have been outstanding.
So, it has a life-time guarantee?
Very interesting question... what would you class as the expected lifetime of a pole?
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The question with WFP’s has mostly been ‘how to stop poles wearing out and clamps spinning’ which frustrates the user no end.
The answer from current poles on the market, has to be to compensate for the pole wear by introducing springs, etc which seems to work to a point, but doesn’t really address the the fundamental issue of wear.
The idea behind the Phantom pole is to create something from a different perspective, ‘how can we produce something that’ doesn't wear in the first place.’ Which is a very different place to start from. The results have been outstanding.
How do you stop the tubes wearing from the inside? There must be near enough the same amount of friction inside as out of the tube sections?
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Vast majority of pole wear comes from the clamps/grit rubbing against the outside of the pole tube. This is the usual cause of clamps not gripping overtime/spinning etc.
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More snake oil. I suppose the newbies to the game need to buy something.
Competition is good, isn't it?
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The idea behind the Phantom pole is to create something from a different perspective, ‘how can we produce something that’ doesn't wear in the first place.’ Which is a very different place to start from. The results have been outstanding.
So, it has a life-time guarantee?
Very interesting question... what would you class as the expected lifetime of a pole?
I assume "Life time" refers to my life, not the pole's ;D
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More snake oil. I suppose the newbies to the game need to buy something.
Snake oil? Looks a good pole. I like Gardiner poles but still have clamps coming off. That said, they’ve totally solved the wear on the section problem but the clamps coming off is a pain. It would take a lot for me to swap but I might try one.
At the end of the day; you need a pole which is strong; durable; easy to use; and cost effective. All these poles with so called clamps that are 'anti spin' or 'self adjusting' its all a load of marketing poop. From one design to the other every clamp will have its weakness; and for every design that 'solves' one problem another is created. They still wear out, the poles still wear out just the same as any other pole. For example, these clamps have a tang on the side of the lever where the lever sits down inside which is supposed to stop the clamp unclasping; guess what that tang will wear down very quickly; and will no doubt grab vines, leaves, and small branches tangling up the pole.
By all means if you need a pole; consider it. But don't get dragged in by the shiney clamp colours, and trendy decal fonts at a premium. its just a pole at the end of the day and in 2 years it will need to be replaced like any other pole; trust me they need to keep you buying more stuff by re-inventing the same thing over and over again. This is why i prefer gardiner poles; they stick to what works and thats why they are the leaders.
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Im a Gardiner fan but this does actually look good so far. I will be keen to see lengths weights and price.
I wonder why you didn't get one to test Lee. Is it because you are a Gardiner fan?
From what I see from the testers they have given them specifically to people who are very pro facelift. Or that have purchased systems with themselves.
I’ll see how good they are when they role them out to the paupers.
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Im a Gardiner fan but this does actually look good so far. I will be keen to see lengths weights and price.
I wonder why you didn't get one to test Lee. Is it because you are a Gardiner fan?
From what I see from the testers they have given them specifically to people who are very pro facelift. Or that have purchased systems with themselves.
I’ll see how they good they are when they role them out to the paupers.
That's what I thought. The Facebook brown nosers. ;D
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Next time your gardiner clamp comes loose or comes off- just place a couple of wraps of insulating tape around the top of the section and force the clamp back on- over the tape, it'll never come loose again!
Haven't used clamp glue for years!!👍
Sounds interesting.
The Gardiner glue issue seems to be more frequent during hot weather, or so it seems to me. Having said that, I recently bought a new clamp for the small section of my SL2 modular and pushed it on without glue or anything else. It's rock solid.
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More snake oil. I suppose the newbies to the game need to buy something.
Snake oil? Looks a good pole. I like Gardiner poles but still have clamps coming off. That said, they’ve totally solved the wear on the section problem but the clamps coming off is a pain. It would take a lot for me to swap but I might try one.
At the end of the day; you need a pole which is strong; durable; easy to use; and cost effective. All these poles with so called clamps that are 'anti spin' or 'self adjusting' its all a load of marketing poop. From one design to the other every clamp will have its weakness; and for every design that 'solves' one problem another is created. They still wear out, the poles still wear out just the same as any other pole. For example, these clamps have a tang on the side of the lever where the lever sits down inside which is supposed to stop the clamp unclasping; guess what that tang will wear down very quickly; and will no doubt grab vines, leaves, and small branches tangling up the pole.
By all means if you need a pole; consider it. But don't get dragged in by the shiney clamp colours, and trendy decal fonts at a premium. its just a pole at the end of the day and in 2 years it will need to be replaced like any other pole; trust me they need to keep you buying more stuff by re-inventing the same thing over and over again. This is why i prefer gardiner poles; they stick to what works and thats why they are the leaders.
its called "the arts of selling".aldous huxley wrote about it in his book "BRAVE NEW WORLD" first published in 1946......... ;D
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ive never had a clamp issue for years.i cant remember the last time i had to glue a gardiner clamp on....they ve defo improved this side of things.....
ive just bought an xtreme 25 at £640 lately so i wont be buying a facelift pole.im hoping to get 2 years out of it.......
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More snake oil. I suppose the newbies to the game need to buy something.
Snake oil? Looks a good pole. I like Gardiner poles but still have clamps coming off. That said, they’ve totally solved the wear on the section problem but the clamps coming off is a pain. It would take a lot for me to swap but I might try one.
At the end of the day; you need a pole which is strong; durable; easy to use; and cost effective. All these poles with so called clamps that are 'anti spin' or 'self adjusting' its all a load of marketing poop. From one design to the other every clamp will have its weakness; and for every design that 'solves' one problem another is created. They still wear out, the poles still wear out just the same as any other pole. For example, these clamps have a tang on the side of the lever where the lever sits down inside which is supposed to stop the clamp unclasping; guess what that tang will wear down very quickly; and will no doubt grab vines, leaves, and small branches tangling up the pole.
By all means if you need a pole; consider it. But don't get dragged in by the shiney clamp colours, and trendy decal fonts at a premium. its just a pole at the end of the day and in 2 years it will need to be replaced like any other pole; trust me they need to keep you buying more stuff by re-inventing the same thing over and over again. This is why i prefer gardiner poles; they stick to what works and thats why they are the leaders.
its called "the arts of selling".aldous huxley wrote about it in his book "BRAVE NEW WORLD" first published in 1946......... ;D
Doesn't take much of an art to sell you stuff, just a big window. lol
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so these new phantom poles are designed to wear the insert in the clamp rather than the shaft of the pole if im looking at that right and if thats correct then you wont get the dreaded carbon hand anymore?
personally i dont see it myself as the pole will still wear but will be interesting to see, theyre making a version similar weight to xtreme 22 as well so will be keeping tabs on that when my xtreme is 12 months old!
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so these new phantom poles are designed to wear the insert in the clamp rather than the shaft of the pole if im looking at that right and if thats correct then you wont get the dreaded carbon hand anymore?
personally i dont see it myself as the pole will still wear but will be interesting to see, theyre making a version similar weight to xtreme 22 as well so will be keeping tabs on that when my xtreme is 12 months old!
Agreed.
You will still get wear on the pole, and wear on the red wear insert inside the clamp as grit will still get into the insert and wear the surfaces.
You cannot avoid wear on the poles, they will wear down. Unless you dismantle the pole and wash it every time you use it after each job; and lets face it your not going to are you? And if you did 1) its even more of a ballache as you have extra stuff to dismantle like the inserts etc..over your regular poles; and 2) your existing poles wouldnt wear down as much if you washed them every time but you wouldn't earn much either as you would be spending all your time washing your pole and not windows.
Buy a good pole; use it make money from it; replace it after 2 or 3 years...repeat. no need to spend alot of money on eye candy poles; your supposed to be making money not giving it away to other people.
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It honestly looks a good pole and I'm guessing due to the design of pole ot being tubular will give it more strength/stiffness in comparison to the standard poles which have dominated the market based on fishing pole designs.
Only time will tell to see if it is a pole truly designed for our market
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Well, all they’ve got to do is employ someone to answer the phone and Gardiners are going to struggle.
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I find the new Gardiner clamp design is much better, and they do not spin.
Nothing to do with sales and marketing - it is simply a much better clamp than the old ones.
I have used Gardiner poles for years and find the new clamps a big improvement.
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I don't care about the clamp I just want to know is it lighter/stiffer/better value than what's currently on the market.
I need a new pole soon so hurry up and release the bloody thing or I'm going with Gardner's.
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so these new phantom poles are designed to wear the insert in the clamp rather than the shaft of the pole if im looking at that right and if thats correct then you wont get the dreaded carbon hand anymore?
personally i dont see it myself as the pole will still wear but will be interesting to see, theyre making a version similar weight to xtreme 22 as well so will be keeping tabs on that when my xtreme is 12 months old!
Agreed.
You will still get wear on the pole, and wear on the red wear insert inside the clamp as grit will still get into the insert and wear the surfaces.
You cannot avoid wear on the poles, they will wear down. Unless you dismantle the pole and wash it every time you use it after each job; and lets face it your not going to are you? And if you did 1) its even more of a ballache as you have extra stuff to dismantle like the inserts etc..over your regular poles; and 2) your existing poles wouldnt wear down as much if you washed them every time but you wouldn't earn much either as you would be spending all your time washing your pole and not windows.
Buy a good pole; use it make money from it; replace it after 2 or 3 years...repeat. no need to spend alot of money on eye candy poles; your supposed to be making money not giving it away to other people.
Poles are like bitches. Buy them, make money from them, bin them.
Nice and respectful; is this the language of the ‘highflyer’ or are you trying to come across as ‘one of the lads’ and really norsed it up?
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This really is just about new style clamps so possibly just new clamps on an old pole else they would be promoting the carbon sections too on how light, rigid etc they are then their previous poles.
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so these new phantom poles are designed to wear the insert in the clamp rather than the shaft of the pole if im looking at that right and if thats correct then you wont get the dreaded carbon hand anymore?
personally i dont see it myself as the pole will still wear but will be interesting to see, theyre making a version similar weight to xtreme 22 as well so will be keeping tabs on that when my xtreme is 12 months old!
Agreed.
You will still get wear on the pole, and wear on the red wear insert inside the clamp as grit will still get into the insert and wear the surfaces.
You cannot avoid wear on the poles, they will wear down. Unless you dismantle the pole and wash it every time you use it after each job; and lets face it your not going to are you? And if you did 1) its even more of a ballache as you have extra stuff to dismantle like the inserts etc..over your regular poles; and 2) your existing poles wouldnt wear down as much if you washed them every time but you wouldn't earn much either as you would be spending all your time washing your pole and not windows.
Buy a good pole; use it make money from it; replace it after 2 or 3 years...repeat. no need to spend alot of money on eye candy poles; your supposed to be making money not giving it away to other people.
Poles are like bitches. Buy them, make money from them, bin them.
Nice and respectful; is this the language of the ‘highflyer’ or are you trying to come across as ‘one of the lads’ and really norsed it up?
Yes. A very disrespectful and unpleasant comment.
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the old facelift clamps are well known for wearing quickly.i know window cleaners that have badly spinning sections on these poles within 8 months! ::)roll
these new style clamps could well cure the premature wearing for those that choose to buy facelift poles.....time will tell.......
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so these new phantom poles are designed to wear the insert in the clamp rather than the shaft of the pole if im looking at that right and if thats correct then you wont get the dreaded carbon hand anymore?
personally i dont see it myself as the pole will still wear but will be interesting to see, theyre making a version similar weight to xtreme 22 as well so will be keeping tabs on that when my xtreme is 12 months old!
Agreed.
You will still get wear on the pole, and wear on the red wear insert inside the clamp as grit will still get into the insert and wear the surfaces.
You cannot avoid wear on the poles, they will wear down. Unless you dismantle the pole and wash it every time you use it after each job; and lets face it your not going to are you? And if you did 1) its even more of a ballache as you have extra stuff to dismantle like the inserts etc..over your regular poles; and 2) your existing poles wouldnt wear down as much if you washed them every time but you wouldn't earn much either as you would be spending all your time washing your pole and not windows.
Buy a good pole; use it make money from it; replace it after 2 or 3 years...repeat. no need to spend alot of money on eye candy poles; your supposed to be making money not giving it away to other people.
Poles are like bitches. Buy them, make money from them, bin them.
Nice and respectful; is this the language of the ‘highflyer’ or are you trying to come across as ‘one of the lads’ and really norsed it up?
Yes. A very disrespectful and unpleasant comment.
agree.....i very strange comment...... ::)roll
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Yeah that reads terrible...
:o :P :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
I have no idea why i put that.
Sorry for any offence. I would try to explain why i wrote it; but i honestly cannot for fear of digging a deeper hole. Lets just say it was a twat moment. I have removed it, and hold my hands up for being a complete twongo.
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I liked the comment
I like a bit of disrespect
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Looks good.
If you are having glue problems with clamps:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8punvly
Problem solved.
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I liked the comment
I like a bit of disrespect
There is a big difference between "a bit of disrespect" and demeaning and insulting. This generally says far more about the person making the comment than the ones it insults.
At least Marc had the good grace to apologize.
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Really good pole guys! Been testing for a few weeks!
Rubbish short vid below 🙈😂
https://youtu.be/y16UWTGIWcs
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I liked the comment
I like a bit of disrespect
There is a big difference between "a bit of disrespect" and demeaning and insulting. This generally says far more about the person making the comment than the ones it insults.
At least Marc had the good grace to apologize.
Yes; like i said it was in bad taste and i completly messed up there; i agree with your sentiments.
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Really good pole guys! Been testing for a few weeks!
Rubbish short vid below 🙈😂
https://youtu.be/y16UWTGIWcs
Yes your right rubbish video ;D how about one showing the weight and let's see how rigid it is, any wear mark's on the pole yet?
It actual looks a good pole and the clamps are a good idea, bit we've had all the marketing dribble from wcw before on previous poles ..let's see videos of it actually being used telling us the weight of the thing,length,collapsed length etc.
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I feel for anybody trying to compete with Gardiners, problem is instead trying to compete with a similar product they go down the silly gimmick road which never works.
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I liked the comment
I like a bit of disrespect
There is a big difference between "a bit of disrespect" and demeaning and insulting. This generally says far more about the person making the comment than the ones it insults.
At least Marc had the good grace to apologize.
Yes; like i said it was in bad taste and i completly messed up there; i agree with your sentiments.
. Racist too! All the poles in my town seem like nice people and do their utmost to keep Wetherspoons going.
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I’ve never had a clamp problem, but I did have a problem with wear on my Extreme. Watched the gardeners video on how to sort it, using epoxy resin, and now it’s like a new pole again.
Will this new Phantom pole be at the forthcoming window cleaning show?
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I always thought facelift slated lateral clamps and vertical clamps were the way forward and faster to use, why the change in direction Mr Fox ?? Can you admit you were wrong and Gardiners were right all along?
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Really good pole guys! Been testing for a few weeks!
Rubbish short vid below 🙈😂
https://youtu.be/y16UWTGIWcs
has anyone been using it for a good few months, ive found poles dont really start giving off carbon on your hand until about 2-3 months use, be interesting to see if this gives carbon wear with this new collar thats designed to wear instead of the actual pole, otherwise i dont see the point in the sleeve if they still wear the pole sections?
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I liked the comment
I like a bit of disrespect
There is a big difference between "a bit of disrespect" and demeaning and insulting. This generally says far more about the person making the comment than the ones it insults.
At least Marc had the good grace to apologize.
Oh come on, it was a throwaway comment on a forum. There's no need to get all insulted and PC about it.
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I always thought facelift slated lateral clamps and vertical clamps were the way forward and faster to use, why the change in direction Mr Fox ?? Can you admit you were wrong and Gardiners were right all along?
More importantly, what's Mr. Fox's brush like?
Is it fantastic, Mr. Fox?
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I had to laugh at the list of people that got given a trial pole , all admins on FB page , how is that a true reflection of the product ?
SAJ slated other company clamps , didn’t mention the company but we all know who he meant as he has used no other for years !
And Jason Johnstone can be seen using an SLX as a camping shower as if it’s all it’s fit for !!
Just another Fantastic Mr Fox attempt at dirty tricks campaign .
It will wear out and when you want one of the overpriced red inserts it will be out of stock !!!
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Looks like i just got a fan club going again .
I got people from the FB page wanting a chat for some reason ?
Gotta love a Friday wind up ;D ;D ;D
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Panic over , just had a little chat , hitman has been stood down and i can go to the show again now .
Turns out we do all still love Gardiner poles ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I always thought facelift slated lateral clamps and vertical clamps were the way forward and faster to use, why the change in direction Mr Fox ?? Can you admit you were wrong and Gardiners were right all along?
More importantly, what's Mr. Fox's brush like?
Is it fantastic, Mr. Fox?
Broom broom.
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If mr fox sees this ime quite happy to give the pole an independent test for a few months to see what it’s like I think competition with the manufacturers is a good thing as they keep trying to improve products and get new customers we as window cleaners benefit from improved poles lighter stiffer and hopefully cheaper 😂😂😂 , over the years we have tryed several types of poles but always go back to Gardiners as they work well but if something better comes on the market Ime happy to give it a try
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It honestly looks a good pole and I'm guessing due to the design of pole ot being tubular will give it more strength/stiffness in comparison to the standard poles which have dominated the market based on fishing pole designs.
Only time will tell to see if it is a pole truly designed for our market
Am i missing something here ?
Which standard poles on the market are not tubular?
Im pretty sure all my gardiner poles are tubular as were my original ionics poles.
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It honestly looks a good pole and I'm guessing due to the design of pole ot being tubular will give it more strength/stiffness in comparison to the standard poles which have dominated the market based on fishing pole designs.
Only time will tell to see if it is a pole truly designed for our market
Am i missing something here ?
Which standard poles on the market are not tubular?
Im pretty sure all my gardiner poles are tubular as were my original ionics poles.
Every WFP I've ever owned has been tubular.....
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Ionics did a fiberglass pole that was hexagonal many moons ago.
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think we might need to get Mike Oldfield on the job- just for clarification!
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The idea behind the Phantom pole is to create something from a different perspective, ‘how can we produce something that’ doesn't wear in the first place.’ Which is a very different place to start from. The results have been outstanding.
So, it has a life-time guarantee? 2 years is a good start from a pole
Very interesting question... what would you class as the expected lifetime of a pole?
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The big price reveal is at 4 o clock tomorrow......won’t be able to sleep tonight !
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Ordered an extreme pole couldn’t wait any longer for the Specifications the sales pitch wasn’t to my liking, just wanted to know price and weight.
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Looks nice but the Gardiner Xtreme is gonna be hard to beat for me.
I like the look of the quick release fitting for the brush but unless they produce a good swivel fitting for it I wouldn’t interested.
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Prices are out!!
Prices are out!!!!
Can't post a screenshot but it's on the facelift Facebook page
Prices similar to the slx
Weights to follow....
Unless these are lighter than an slx I'm out...
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1535466216_Dln5AX9W4AACRhI.jpg)
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roughly the same price as gardiners then....is that before VAT or after?if its before then the 25 ft hi mod pole will be more expensive than an xtreme....(my xtreme 25 cost £639 including VAT)the facelift equivalent would be £720 after VAT......
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prices i would think are subject to VAT
Darran
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prices are plus vat they comfirmed it yesterday, not seen anything to say they include gooseneck brush and hose though?
looking at weights they say theyre lighter than gardiner poles just about, be interested to hear what alex g thoughts are on the clamps and if hes looked at this design as these could be a game changer if they wear the inserts and not the pole out, just think no carbon stained hand anymore from wear but what happens after 12 months and they do start giving pole wear and carbon hand, is that a right for refund ;D
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prices are plus vat they comfirmed it yesterday, not seen anything to say they include gooseneck brush and hose though?
looking at weights they say theyre lighter than gardiner poles just about, be interested to hear what alex g thoughts are on the clamps and if hes looked at this design as these could be a game changer if they wear the inserts and not the pole out, just think no carbon stained hand anymore from wear but what happens after 12 months and they do start giving pole wear and carbon hand, is that a right for refund ;D
ah so slightly cheaper than gardiners but do you get pole hose,brush and gooseneck with the poles as well?no weight comparisons yet?
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weights are now on the facebook page. . Apparently price doesn't include brush . . most are slightly heavier than gardiners :(
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so similar wieghts, similar prices but no brushes
ill stick with gardiners i think.
bit of a dissapointment that, was hoping they would be lighter and or cheaper than the equivalent gardiners...the clamp doesnt really interest me
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Totally agree. I think as a new product trying to compete they should have been at least slightly cheaper than gardiners. After you buy the brush etc they are just too expensive in my opinion to take a punt on.
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I use an 18’ pole as my everyday pole, the phantom 18’ and 22’ has a closed length of 4’2”, so an extra section to extend and collapse.....I’m out.
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My observations are that the wear to pole sections occurs not just at the clamps but also at the base of each section where it slides up and down against the inside of each pole section and therefore all along the inside of the sections that contain the most operated sections. Logically, the more grit gets in the pole the quicker it will wear out, inside and out, and not just at the clamps.
When I broke my SLX last year it gave way where it was worn thinnest on the inside not the outside.
It would be interesting to know what testing these poles have been subjected to before being brought to market. I wouldn’t want to spend that much on a new pole that wasn’t subjected to some pretty rigorous testing when there are already tried and tested models on the market.
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My observations are that the wear to pole sections occurs not just at the clamps but also at the base of each section where it slides up and down against the inside of each pole section and therefore all along the inside of the sections that contain the most operated sections. Logically, the more grit gets in the pole the quicker it will wear out, inside and out, and not just at the clamps.
When I broke my SLX last year it gave way where it was worn thinnest on the inside not the outside.
It would be interesting to know what testing these poles have been subjected to before being brought to market. I wouldn’t want to spend that much on a new pole that wasn’t subjected to some pretty rigorous testing when there are already tried and tested models on the market.
This was my exact point on reply #21.
Stephen Fox reckons the majority of wear comes from the clamp but like you I believe just as much, if not more comes from internal friction.
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I use an 18’ pole as my everyday pole, the phantom 18’ and 22’ has a closed length of 4’2”, so an extra section to extend and collapse.....I’m out.
I use an 18 SLX as my main pole. If it has an extra section, that's me out. unless its something special
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Anyone tried one yet?
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My observations are that the wear to pole sections occurs not just at the clamps but also at the base of each section where it slides up and down against the inside of each pole section and therefore all along the inside of the sections that contain the most operated sections. Logically, the more grit gets in the pole the quicker it will wear out, inside and out, and not just at the clamps.
When I broke my SLX last year it gave way where it was worn thinnest on the inside not the outside.
It would be interesting to know what testing these poles have been subjected to before being brought to market. I wouldn’t want to spend that much on a new pole that wasn’t subjected to some pretty rigorous testing when there are already tried and tested models on the market.
100% correct.
In 99% of cases poles 'spin' at one point and that is a 'collar' of wear at the very top of the section just below the clamp.
What were the long term usage reports on the Phoenix pole when that was released with much funfair a few years ago. There was a lot of hype of how this is the best pole ever and this game changer would force Gardiners out of business. I don't think the reality lived up to the hype.
I seem to remember complaints about the top section wearing out in less than a year and that the clamps weren't as good as they were made out to be.
All this new pole is about is a new clamp design which is being marketed as their new game changer. I'm sure Steve has done a good job but its not the 'b all and end all.'
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Did anyone buy a phantom pole at the show Saturday and tried it out today?
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See there is no mention of pole weights or wether the length is pole reach or actual reach
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The gardiners are the only one that I have found that are actually 30 foot extended!! All of the others tend to be slightly less (a couple of feet) so weight comparisons might not be accurate. I actually hate lateral clamps as, to me, they are a step back. They catch more easily on conservatories or extensions and open up! Also I never had to tighten up the clamps when they were the "flip over" type but with these it seems a constant feature and in the end I give up but of course that causes problems or I over tighten and this leads to pole wear. (and before you ask, i have used Gardiners with the "spring device" waste of time, just a gimmick.
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The gardiners are the only one that I have found that are actually 30 foot extended!! All of the others tend to be slightly less (a couple of feet) so weight comparisons might not be accurate. I actually hate lateral clamps as, to me, they are a step back. They catch more easily on conservatories or extensions and open up! Also I never had to tighten up the clamps when they were the "flip over" type but with these it seems a constant feature and in the end I give up but of course that causes problems or I over tighten and this leads to pole wear. (and before you ask, i have used Gardiners with the "spring device" waste of time, just a gimmick.
It maybe didn't suit you but it's certainly not a gimmick.
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The gardiners are the only one that I have found that are actually 30 foot extended!! All of the others tend to be slightly less (a couple of feet) so weight comparisons might not be accurate. I actually hate lateral clamps as, to me, they are a step back. They catch more easily on conservatories or extensions and open up! Also I never had to tighten up the clamps when they were the "flip over" type but with these it seems a constant feature and in the end I give up but of course that causes problems or I over tighten and this leads to pole wear. (and before you ask, i have used Gardiners with the "spring device" waste of time, just a gimmick.
I'm surprised you say they're a gimmick. They hugely increase the life of the pole.