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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: deeege on July 18, 2018, 04:01:25 pm
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Have just had a letter through from UU telling me that my blend of water will be changing from 20th July. My water is currently 75ppm and I’m DI only. The new water is going to be drawn from a bore hole and will be mixed with the reservoir water.
THIS NEW WATER COULD HAVE A TDS OF 350 (or more)
I’m Warrington (WA4) based but I’m told that this is not just localised but for the whole of the NW region. Might be time to buy an RO fellas. 👎
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Not much change for me then , I’m with United utilities and mine is around 270. But thanks for letting us know 👍
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Isn't an RO worth it at 75? Unless you're on a meter.
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Isn't an RO worth it at 75? Unless you're on a meter.
Think 75 is bordeline with my usage. My water actually fluctuates between 029 and 075 but it has been 075 for quite awhile now.
Not a big problem for me really as I was going to purchase an RO at some point but for the lads like Dazmond who’s water is consistently 029 it will be a problem.
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Ohhhhh GOD!
can't wait for the saga to unravel as Daz buys an RO unit ! ;D
Darran
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Have just had a letter through from UU telling me that my blend of water will be changing from 20th July. My water is currently 75ppm and I’m DI only. The new water is going to be drawn from a bore hole and will be mixed with the reservoir water.
THIS NEW WATER COULD HAVE A TDS OF 350 (or more)
I’m Warrington (WA4) based but I’m told that this is not just localised but for the whole of the NW region. Might be time to buy an RO fellas. 👎
Is it a temporary measure?
I would imagine letting the water feed down from a reservoir with gravity would be cheaper than drawing it from a borehole. So maybe it will revert back once the rains come in earnest.
I can't help thinking they are creating a drama for some reason.
Last week their reservoirs were 79% full. The problem was that they were having difficulty purifying enough water for the network. Now we see photos in the paper this week of all their empty, dried out reservoirs. Something just doesn't add up.
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Ohhhhh GOD!
can't wait for the saga to unravel as Daz buys an RO unit ! ;D
Darran
no room for an RO....i wouldnt buy one anyway....
even if my tap tds goes up itll only be for a little while until this dry spell ends..... ;) :)
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ive just checked my tap tds....its 026 at the moment....no letters here....you ll have to move to sunny salford Danny! ;D ;D ;D
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Have just had a letter through from UU telling me that my blend of water will be changing from 20th July. My water is currently 75ppm and I’m DI only. The new water is going to be drawn from a bore hole and will be mixed with the reservoir water.
THIS NEW WATER COULD HAVE A TDS OF 350 (or more)
I’m Warrington (WA4) based but I’m told that this is not just localised but for the whole of the NW region. Might be time to buy an RO fellas. 👎
Is it a temporary measure?
I would imagine letting the water feed down from a reservoir with gravity would be cheaper than drawing it from a borehole. So maybe it will revert back once the rains come in earnest.
I can't help thinking they are creating a drama for some reason.
Last week their reservoirs were 79% full. The problem was that they were having difficulty purifying enough water for the network. Now we see photos in the paper this week of all their empty, dried out reservoirs. Something just doesn't add up.
It doesn’t specify a timeframe but does say
“We propose to continue to use this source of water in the future as and when required”.
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ive just checked my tap tds....its 026 at the moment....no letters here....you ll have to move to sunny salford Danny! ;D ;D ;D
Mine is still 075. It is quite specific that the water will blend on 20th July so just keep your eye on it.
How long would you be prepared not to work for Daz, or use water at 350 through your DI rather than buy an RO?
Oh and I wouldn’t move to Salford for all the tea in China 😂
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Have just had a letter through from UU telling me that my blend of water will be changing from 20th July. My water is currently 75ppm and I’m DI only. The new water is going to be drawn from a bore hole and will be mixed with the reservoir water.
THIS NEW WATER COULD HAVE A TDS OF 350 (or more)
I’m Warrington (WA4) based but I’m told that this is not just localised but for the whole of the NW region. Might be time to buy an RO fellas. 👎
Is it a temporary measure?
I would imagine letting the water feed down from a reservoir with gravity would be cheaper than drawing it from a borehole. So maybe it will revert back once the rains come in earnest.
I can't help thinking they are creating a drama for some reason.
Last week their reservoirs were 79% full. The problem was that they were having difficulty purifying enough water for the network. Now we see photos in the paper this week of all their empty, dried out reservoirs. Something just doesn't add up.
It doesn’t specify a timeframe but does say
“We propose to continue to use this source of water in the future as and when required”.
Our friends in New Mills got a letter about 10 days ago and they said they were future proofing the system and preparing for every eventuality. Nothing said about water quality but it did give the impression that they had already introduced a hose pipe ban - which they hadn't then.
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Have just had a letter through from UU telling me that my blend of water will be changing from 20th July. My water is currently 75ppm and I’m DI only. The new water is going to be drawn from a bore hole and will be mixed with the reservoir water.
THIS NEW WATER COULD HAVE A TDS OF 350 (or more)
I’m Warrington (WA4) based but I’m told that this is not just localised but for the whole of the NW region. Might be time to buy an RO fellas. 👎
Is it a temporary measure?
I would imagine letting the water feed down from a reservoir with gravity would be cheaper than drawing it from a borehole. So maybe it will revert back once the rains come in earnest.
I can't help thinking they are creating a drama for some reason.
Last week their reservoirs were 79% full. The problem was that they were having difficulty purifying enough water for the network. Now we see photos in the paper this week of all their empty, dried out reservoirs. Something just doesn't add up.
It doesn’t specify a timeframe but does say
“We propose to continue to use this source of water in the future as and when required”.
Our friends in New Mills got a letter about 10 days ago and they said they were future proofing the system and preparing for every eventuality. Nothing said about water quality but it did give the impression that they had already introduced a hose pipe ban - which they hadn't then.
The ban has definately been confirmed to be going ahead for atleast 2 weeks now. My neighbour works in mid level management for UU and was called into an urgent meeting on a Sunday evening, 1st July. She told me the ban was going ahead but they were finalising the details in that meeting.
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ive just checked my tap tds....its 026 at the moment....no letters here....you ll have to move to sunny salford Danny! ;D ;D ;D
Mine is still 075. It is quite specific that the water will blend on 20th July so just keep your eye on it.
How long would you be prepared not to work for Daz, or use water at 350 through your DI rather than buy an RO?
Oh and I wouldn’t move to Salford for all the tea in China 😂
i very much doubt that my water will ever reach 350 TDS Danny......no room for an RO and tbh i wouldnt want to mess around with one either.i couldnt be arsed.... ;D
the highest my tap tds has ever been is 105 a few years ago but it soon went down to my usual 029-035...... ;)
itll only be temporary anyway Danny.....not worth worrying about mate....
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all ive had off UU is an email telling me theres going to be a hosepipe ban from the 5th aug which doesnt affect me anyway.... 8)
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ive just checked my tap tds....its 026 at the moment....no letters here....you ll have to move to sunny salford Danny! ;D ;D ;D
Mine is still 075. It is quite specific that the water will blend on 20th July so just keep your eye on it.
How long would you be prepared not to work for Daz, or use water at 350 through your DI rather than buy an RO?
Oh and I wouldn’t move to Salford for all the tea in China 😂
i very much doubt that my water will ever reach 350 TDS Danny......no room for an RO and tbh i wouldnt want to mess around with one either.i couldnt be arsed.... ;D
the highest my tap tds has ever been is 105 a few years ago but it soon went down to my usual 029-035...... ;)
itll only be temporary anyway Danny.....not worth worrying about mate....
I’m not worrying, worst case scenario for me is I’ll just get an RO which o was considering anyway.
It’ll be a nuisance because like you I can fill up in 40 mins or so which is handy for me when I have a big job on, like this week cleaning a big college, nip home and fill up during my lunch.
I’m away for 3 weeks in August so I’m sure it will be back to normal by the time I return but this was just a heads up anyway.
Out of interest Daz, your TDS shoots up to 350 overnight, what would you do?
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ive just checked my tap tds....its 026 at the moment....no letters here....you ll have to move to sunny salford Danny! ;D ;D ;D
Mine is still 075. It is quite specific that the water will blend on 20th July so just keep your eye on it.
How long would you be prepared not to work for Daz, or use water at 350 through your DI rather than buy an RO?
Oh and I wouldn’t move to Salford for all the tea in China 😂
i very much doubt that my water will ever reach 350 TDS Danny......no room for an RO and tbh i wouldnt want to mess around with one either.i couldnt be arsed.... ;D
the highest my tap tds has ever been is 105 a few years ago but it soon went down to my usual 029-035...... ;)
itll only be temporary anyway Danny.....not worth worrying about mate....
I’m not worrying, worst case scenario for me is I’ll just get an RO which o was considering anyway.
It’ll be a nuisance because like you I can fill up in 40 mins or so which is handy for me when I have a big job on, like this week cleaning a big college, nip home and fill up during my lunch.
I’m away for 3 weeks in August so I’m sure it will be back to normal by the time I return but this was just a heads up anyway.
Out of interest Daz, your TDS shoots up to 350 overnight, what would you do?
id put it through my DI vessel or see if i can find one of them SPOTLESS WATER stations!
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id have to find someone who sold pure water as spotless water havent got a single fill up station ANYWHERE IN THE NORTH WEST..... ::)roll
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I'm in LIverpool and a UU customer, TDS usually around 100. I've had no notice of change of supply, only the hosepipe ban around the 5th August.
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I'm in LIverpool and a UU customer, TDS usually around 100. I've had no notice of change of supply, only the hosepipe ban around the 5th August.
same...i think danny might be on a wind up! ;) ;D
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I'm in LIverpool and a UU customer, TDS usually around 100. I've had no notice of change of supply, only the hosepipe ban around the 5th August.
same...i think danny might be on a wind up! ;) ;D
Promise you I’m not. I’ll take a pic tomorrow and upload. The letter states that water TDS will be rising and details the difference between hard and soft water etc.
Plenty of peopl I know who are in the same postcode as me have also not received the letter, how localised it’s going to be is anyone’s guess.
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I'm in LIverpool and a UU customer, TDS usually around 100. I've had no notice of change of supply, only the hosepipe ban around the 5th August.
same...i think danny might be on a wind up! ;) ;D
Promise you I’m not. I’ll take a pic tomorrow and upload. The letter states that water TDS will be rising and details the difference between hard and soft water etc.
Plenty of peopl I know who are in the same postcode as me have also not received the letter, how localised it’s going to be is anyone’s guess.
its alright i believe you now mate.......like i said it happened a few years ago but my tds didnt go past 105 so i carried on DI only.....it was only for a few weeks then it went back to 030
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I'm in LIverpool and a UU customer, TDS usually around 100. I've had no notice of change of supply, only the hosepipe ban around the 5th August.
same...i think danny might be on a wind up! ;) ;D
Promise you I’m not. I’ll take a pic tomorrow and upload. The letter states that water TDS will be rising and details the difference between hard and soft water etc.
Plenty of peopl I know who are in the same postcode as me have also not received the letter, how localised it’s going to be is anyone’s guess.
its alright i believe you now mate.......like i said it happened a few years ago but my tds didnt go past 105 so i carried on DI only.....it was only for a few weeks then it went back to 030
I’ve no doubt that it will go back eventually, but if it rose to 200/300 for a month it would be a pain in the backside. The tone of the letter is it will definately be going up, not might.
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Just buy water off Spotless Water for the duration, its so easy compared to all the faffing around. You just drive in and fill up. The nearest one to me at the moment is about six miles away but they are opening one just down the road.
When they do I'm going to buy all my water from them, we are in a very hard water area, and I know others are of the same mind
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Just buy water off Spotless Water for the duration, its so easy compared to all the faffing around. You just drive in and fill up. The nearest one to me at the moment is about six miles away but they are opening one just down the road.
When they do I'm going to buy all my water from them, we are in a very hard water area, and I know others are of the same mind
spotless water only have a few stations down south.....they dont have a single station anywhere in the north west or anywhere else for that matter..... ::)roll
in fact they only have 10 stations all together.... ::)roll
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Danny if your water shot up to 200-300 im sure you could find someone who could sell you some in the north west somewhere....
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Danny if your water shot up to 200-300 im sure you could find someone who could sell you some in the north west somewhere....
I’d just buy an RO tbh mate, I’ve been considering it anyway (it’s probably worth it for me, 2500 litres per week, 075 ppm at present) , I just can’t be assed with the faffing before I go away for most of August.
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2500 ltrs a week would cost about £90 a week using spotless Inc vat.
So maybe just chomping through resin would be easier. A bag of resin a week is less then the cost of buying pure
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You lot don’t know your born,
I live in the second highest TDS area in Britain.
Anywhere from 550-600ppm.
As I’ve said before, no wonder Daz is minted! His rent is the same price as just my council tax and utility bills, and he’s got some of the softest water in the uk. Cheeky Git.
Still, rather live down south ;D
Bit of pain for you if your TDS goes up, but I’m sure it won’t be long before it comes back down.
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You lot don’t know your born,
I live in the second highest TDS area in Britain.
Anywhere from 550-600ppm.
As I’ve said before, no wonder Daz is minted! His rent is the same price as just my council tax and utility bills, and he’s got some of the softest water in the uk. Cheeky Git.
Still, rather live down south ;D
Bit of pain for you if your TDS goes up, but I’m sure it won’t be long before it comes back down.
You’re right mate, we are very lucky to have such a low TDS, I feel for the guys who have really hard water and also water meters.
I do find it quite funny when Daz says he couldn’t be bothered with an RO, some people don’t have a choice in the matter. 😂
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One thing's for sure. If Daz does have to buy an RO. He'll love it.................. eventually................... for a while. ;D
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I live in the North West, my tds is 44 at the moment.
If it rises significantly I'll triple di for the duration
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I’m pretty sure any ride in TDS would be minimal because in general your in a soft water area so bore hole water added to one treatment plant is not going to be significant
Hard water areas have high TDS due to the rock structure where the water is ( that’s my understanding )
Darran
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I’m pretty sure any ride in TDS would be minimal because in general your in a soft water area so bore hole water added to one treatment plant is not going to be significant
Hard water areas have high TDS due to the rock structure where the water is ( that’s my understanding )
Darran
exactly......our TDS might go up for a few weeks but i very much doubt itll get into 200-300 territory
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just checked my tap tds and its GONE DOWN.....its now at 024 which is great.i use around 3 resin bags a year.which works out at around £4.50 a week in resin.i can live with that....
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You lot don’t know your born,
I live in the second highest TDS area in Britain.
Anywhere from 550-600ppm.
As I’ve said before, no wonder Daz is minted! His rent is the same price as just my council tax and utility bills, and he’s got some of the softest water in the uk. Cheeky Git.
Still, rather live down south ;D
Bit of pain for you if your TDS goes up, but I’m sure it won’t be long before it comes back down.
You’re right mate, we are very lucky to have such a low TDS, I feel for the guys who have really hard water and also water meters.
I do find it quite funny when Daz says he couldn’t be bothered with an RO, some people don’t have a choice in the matter. 😂
i dont think id have made the switch to WFP if i had to use an RO.......too much faff........ ;D
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I’m pretty sure any ride in TDS would be minimal because in general your in a soft water area so bore hole water added to one treatment plant is not going to be significant
Hard water areas have high TDS due to the rock structure where the water is ( that’s my understanding )
Darran
The hardness of the water depends where the water comes from. At present it’s rainwater that has been sat in a reservoir so therefore is soft. The new stuff they will be blending in with this water will be from a borehole, sat on rock so will be hard. If it’s a 50/50 mix or a 2/98 mix will be the deciding factor on the hardness at the tap.
Will find out tomorrow I guess.
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keep us posted danny...ill be checking mine every day now! ;D
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My water has a TDS of 300.
I use a Gapswater 4040 with pressure pump. This produces water at 7 ppm.
I don’t bother with resin anymore.
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My water has a TDS of 300.
I use a Gapswater 4040 with pressure pump. This produces water at 7 ppm.
I don’t bother with resin anymore.
I've often wondered about doing that Slacky.
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People saying using RO is too much faff...
LOL
10 minutes flushing and that’s it. It fills your tank, it stops when it’s full.
You might have to go to the HUGE effort of changing the pre filters once every 3 months, that’s a game-changing 15 minute job.
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People saying using RO is too much faff...
LOL
10 minutes flushing and that’s it. It fills your tank, it stops when it’s full.
You might have to go to the HUGE effort of changing the pre filters once every 3 months, that’s a game-changing 15 minute job.
when i say faff...im on a water meter and no room for a storage tank plus it takes ages to make 500L of pure using an RO..i can purify 500L in less than 30 mins DI only.... :)
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People saying using RO is too much faff...
LOL
10 minutes flushing and that’s it. It fills your tank, it stops when it’s full.
You might have to go to the HUGE effort of changing the pre filters once every 3 months, that’s a game-changing 15 minute job.
when i say faff...im on a water meter and no room for a storage tank plus it takes ages to make 500L of pure using an RO..i can purify 500L in less than 30 mins DI only.... :)
I’m also on a water meter, and also do not have a storage tank.
My water costs £3.10 per 1,000 litres (that’s including the sewage charge), so, because RO uses twice as much water as resin alone, that means each fill of 700 litres costs £2.17 MORE than using resin alone.
Assuming 4 fills per week, and 4.3 weeks in a month, that’s an additional monthly cost of £37.32 in extra water.
Even in a softish water area, I don’t think you could purify 12,000 litres of water using only DI for less than £37, therefore the cost of using RO is less than DI.
As for it taking ages, so what?
It takes approx 4 hrs to fill my 700 litre tank, and so what about it?
You set it filling and forget about it, that’s the whole point.
Yes resin is faster, but I don’t see why that’s an advantage?
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People saying using RO is too much faff...
LOL
10 minutes flushing and that’s it. It fills your tank, it stops when it’s full.
You might have to go to the HUGE effort of changing the pre filters once every 3 months, that’s a game-changing 15 minute job.
when i say faff...im on a water meter and no room for a storage tank plus it takes ages to make 500L of pure using an RO..i can purify 500L in less than 30 mins DI only.... :)
I’m also on a water meter, and also do not have a storage tank.
My water costs £3.10 per 1,000 litres (that’s including the sewage charge), so, because RO uses twice as much water as resin alone, that means each fill of 700 litres costs £2.17 MORE than using resin alone.
Assuming 4 fills per week, and 4.3 weeks in a month, that’s an additional monthly cost of £37.32 in extra water.
Even in a softish water area, I don’t think you could purify 12,000 litres of water using only DI for less than £37, therefore the cost of using RO is less than DI.
As for it taking ages, so what?
It takes approx 4 hrs to fill my 700 litre tank, and so what about it?
You set it filling and forget about it, that’s the whole point.
Yes resin is faster, but I don’t see why that’s an advantage?
when you take in the cost of an RO,buying membranes and pre filters etc AND the extra cost of waste water im sure itll cost more than my £4-50 a week i spend on resin.even if it cost a bit more DI only id still stick with DI for convenience alone. ;)
also even after RO your water wont be at 000 anyway so you still need a bit of resin to get it to 000!im out! ;D
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3 x £83 bags of resin a year=£249 a year divided by 52 is £4.78 a week........tap tds 029........
11 x £37(extra water,take a month off for holidays)=£407 and that doesnt include the cost of the RO/membranes etc and your water is still not at 000 after RO!plus it takes longer to purify!no thanks!
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People saying using RO is too much faff...
LOL
10 minutes flushing and that’s it. It fills your tank, it stops when it’s full.
You might have to go to the HUGE effort of changing the pre filters once every 3 months, that’s a game-changing 15 minute job.
when i say faff...im on a water meter and no room for a storage tank plus it takes ages to make 500L of pure using an RO..i can purify 500L in less than 30 mins DI only.... :)
I’m also on a water meter, and also do not have a storage tank.
My water costs £3.10 per 1,000 litres (that’s including the sewage charge), so, because RO uses twice as much water as resin alone, that means each fill of 700 litres costs £2.17 MORE than using resin alone.
Assuming 4 fills per week, and 4.3 weeks in a month, that’s an additional monthly cost of £37.32 in extra water.
Even in a softish water area, I don’t think you could purify 12,000 litres of water using only DI for less than £37, therefore the cost of using RO is less than DI.
As for it taking ages, so what?
It takes approx 4 hrs to fill my 700 litre tank, and so what about it?
You set it filling and forget about it, that’s the whole point.
Yes resin is faster, but I don’t see why that’s an advantage?
when you take in the cost of an RO,buying membranes and pre filters etc AND the extra cost of waste water im sure itll cost more than my £4-50 a week i spend on resin.even if it cost a bit more DI only id still stick with DI for convenience alone. ;)
also even after RO your water wont be at 000 anyway so you still need a bit of resin to get it to 000!im out! ;D
Looks like Dazmond's getting an RO.
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Daz has got his head in,the sand. RO way to go
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I’m pretty sure any ride in TDS would be minimal because in general your in a soft water area so bore hole water added to one treatment plant is not going to be significant
Hard water areas have high TDS due to the rock structure where the water is ( that’s my understanding )
Darran
The hardness of the water depends where the water comes from. At present it’s rainwater that has been sat in a reservoir so therefore is soft. The new stuff they will be blending in with this water will be from a borehole, sat on rock so will be hard. If it’s a 50/50 mix or a 2/98 mix will be the deciding factor on the hardness at the tap.
Will find out tomorrow I guess.
our water comes from reservoirs but still is 350 TDS due to the ground - you can get Malvern spring water straight out of the ground almost devoid of TDS passing through rocks
so my point is the water in your area is naturally soft because of the ground ( bottom of the reservoir or whatever ) so i suspect your TDS rise will be nominal ( unless they start importing it from east anglia ;D
Darran
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Daz has got his head in,the sand. RO way to go
not really!not when your as lucky as me mate.....
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Di only and that's the way im staying I have two di vessels in the back of the pickup and purify on demand if I'm running low I fill up at customer's and crack on get back home refill takes minutes job done.
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RO water cleans better, has better glide on the glass, restores sun damaged upvc, makes hydrophobic glass hydrophilic, melts concrete, removes bird poo and snail trails quicker, makes your customers love you, why everybody doesn't use it is beyond me.
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RO water cleans better, has better glide on the glass, restores sun damaged upvc, makes hydrophobic glass hydrophilic, melts concrete, removes bird poo and snail trails quicker, makes your customers love you, why everybody doesn't use it is beyond me.
Daz will definitely get one now you've said that 😀😀
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I do bits of work around the north west, I noticed a reservoir up Blackburn/burnley ways yesterday and it was scraping the barrel......... There's another backside of Manchester I think near Bredbury/Ashton ways this was down a good bit also.
I am DI only also and best levels of water I can get is 085, even with these levels I go through a bag of resin a month and not really a major amount of wfp work
Time to set a 4040 up somewhere in the van soon I be thinking
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I changed from twin Di to 4040 start of this year, best thing I done and I know its gonna Dave me a shed load over resin, one of the things that made me do it was the resin is getting worse quality over the years I’m sure of it and all I’ve ever used is mb115, like others said once you’ve got your ro set up its simple and no hassle, I was changing a di Bottle every 3 weeks at 76ppm and using 4-500 litres a day!
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People saying using RO is too much faff...
LOL
10 minutes flushing and that’s it. It fills your tank, it stops when it’s full.
You might have to go to the HUGE effort of changing the pre filters once every 3 months, that’s a game-changing 15 minute job.
when i say faff...im on a water meter and no room for a storage tank plus it takes ages to make 500L of pure using an RO..i can purify 500L in less than 30 mins DI only.... :)
I’m also on a water meter, and also do not have a storage tank.
My water costs £3.10 per 1,000 litres (that’s including the sewage charge), so, because RO uses twice as much water as resin alone, that means each fill of 700 litres costs £2.17 MORE than using resin alone.
Assuming 4 fills per week, and 4.3 weeks in a month, that’s an additional monthly cost of £37.32 in extra water.
Even in a softish water area, I don’t think you could purify 12,000 litres of water using only DI for less than £37, therefore the cost of using RO is less than DI.
As for it taking ages, so what?
It takes approx 4 hrs to fill my 700 litre tank, and so what about it?
You set it filling and forget about it, that’s the whole point.
Yes resin is faster, but I don’t see why that’s an advantage?
Right now I have a 450l tank, Di only in the van. Probably once every week I’ll run out of water, usually on large jobs that are local. I just nip home for my lunch and in 40 mins I can have another full tank ready to go. I couldn’t do this if I needed to go through an RO.
Get a bigger tank etc etc, not possible as 450l is as big as my van can carry without going over the payload.
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People saying using RO is too much faff...
LOL
10 minutes flushing and that’s it. It fills your tank, it stops when it’s full.
You might have to go to the HUGE effort of changing the pre filters once every 3 months, that’s a game-changing 15 minute job.
when i say faff...im on a water meter and no room for a storage tank plus it takes ages to make 500L of pure using an RO..i can purify 500L in less than 30 mins DI only.... :)
I’m also on a water meter, and also do not have a storage tank.
My water costs £3.10 per 1,000 litres (that’s including the sewage charge), so, because RO uses twice as much water as resin alone, that means each fill of 700 litres costs £2.17 MORE than using resin alone.
Assuming 4 fills per week, and 4.3 weeks in a month, that’s an additional monthly cost of £37.32 in extra water.
Even in a softish water area, I don’t think you could purify 12,000 litres of water using only DI for less than £37, therefore the cost of using RO is less than DI.
As for it taking ages, so what?
It takes approx 4 hrs to fill my 700 litre tank, and so what about it?
You set it filling and forget about it, that’s the whole point.
Yes resin is faster, but I don’t see why that’s an advantage?
Right now I have a 450l tank, Di only in the van. Probably once every week I’ll run out of water, usually on large jobs that are local. I just nip home for my lunch and in 40 mins I can have another full tank ready to go. I couldn’t do this if I needed to go through an RO.
Get a bigger tank etc etc, not possible as 450l is as big as my van can carry without going over the payload.
If you need an extra fill quickly just bypass the RO, you're still going to be saving on resin costs the rest of the week.
With a decent water pressure and a tap tds as low as yours your could probably run your waste water at around 40% or less and fill a 450ltr tank in about an hour and a half.
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Right now I have a 450l tank, Di only in the van. Probably once every week I’ll run out of water, usually on large jobs that are local. I just nip home for my lunch and in 40 mins I can have another full tank ready to go. I couldn’t do this if I needed to go through an RO.
Get a bigger tank etc etc, not possible as 450l is as big as my van can carry without going over the payload.
I try and work it so I have a full tank of water in the van and a storage tank full of water also.
So that if/when I run out of water during the day I can make a quick trip home and fill up again which takes about 5 minutes.
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id hate to nip home to fill up at lunchtime.I thought you d have a bigger tank and van Danny being mainly commercial.......if i was mainly commercial id have an 800L tank and much larger van.....
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id hate to nip home to fill up at lunchtime.I thought you d have a bigger tank and van Danny being mainly commercial.......if i was mainly commercial id have an 800L tank and much larger van.....
It’s not very often tbh Daz, just when I want to work very long days, usually when working locally. 450l does me for the majority of my days but like this week when cleaning a big college that’s non stop poling, 450l isn’t enough.
I’d hate to have to drive a massive van that’s capable of carrying an 800l tank. My second van is a LWB custom and I’d hate to drive that, I much prefer my small Berlingo.
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What a pointless thread.
::)roll
The point of ro is to reduce how much work the di does. If your tap tds is going from 30ppm tp 130ppm then get an ro. Problem solved.
Fill up your van with the ro water, and pump on demand through di as you use it.
My tap tds is 325ppm. And sometimes hits 350. Blimey guys you would think there was a massive crisis going on here..its ridiculous.
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Let's face it, the majority of threads on here are pointless, haha yes even some of mine.
But it's the same topics over n over again, we have to fetch something new to the table but then you get shot down for doing so.
Back ache, hahaha ah or who goes to the gym or even what carvery we've (me) have eaten have nothing to do with window cleaning, not really. I suppose that's why less n less people are commenting other than to start arguments or debates etc.
Can someone start an interesting thread off please
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What a pointless thread.
::)roll
The point of ro is to reduce how much work the di does. If your tap tds is going from 30ppm tp 130ppm then get an ro. Problem solved.
Fill up your van with the ro water, and pump on demand through di as you use it.
My tap tds is 325ppm. And sometimes hits 350. Blimey guys you would think there was a massive crisis going on here..its ridiculous.
What a silly post. ::)roll
If you read the thread title you can see the point of the thread is to warn fellow northern lads that our tap TDS may be rising.
No crisis just that it may take some alterations for some people. You’re not affected, good for you.
It was only last month you were crying about negative responses to your multiple posts about your turnover increase, now you’re doing exactly the same thing to threads that don’t concern you whatsoever.
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I for one, found this thread interesting and informative
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Tds still 44 here in Cheshire
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Tds still 44 here in Cheshire
Whereabouts in Cheshire are you Jonboy?
Still 076 here too. I’d imagine that the new stuff will take a while to blend in.
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mines gone up since yesterday!its shot up to 034 today from 024 yesterday.....ive also been asking customers and they ve all had a letter off UU telling them about the water changing.....ive not received one though.......
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Tds still 44 here in Cheshire
Whereabouts in Cheshire are you Jonboy?
Still 076 here too. I’d imagine that the new stuff will take a while to blend in.
I'm in Runcorn
on the UU website it says we get our water from Lake Vyrnwy, you get yours from groundwater sources, whatever that means, Salford(Dazmond) is supplied from the lake district
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Tds still 44 here in Cheshire
Whereabouts in Cheshire are you Jonboy?
Still 076 here too. I’d imagine that the new stuff will take a while to blend in.
I'm in Runcorn
on the UU website it says we get our water from Lake Vyrnwy, you get yours from groundwater sources, whatever that means, Salford(Dazmond) is supplied from the lake district
Not sure how accurate that is regarding Warrington. I’ve lived in 3 different parts of town in the last 5 years and the readings have been 029, 076 and 365. The higher reading being in the north of town and the lower two being south. With readings so varied the water must be sourced from different places I’d have thought.
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My water has a TDS of 300.
I use a Gapswater 4040 with pressure pump. This produces water at 7 ppm.
I don’t bother with resin anymore.
How long does it stay at 7 though? I get the same output but it doesn’t stay at 7 for that long. Perhaps 8 weeks then creeps up.
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Let's face it, the majority of threads on here are pointless, haha yes even some of mine.
But it's the same topics over n over again, we have to fetch something new to the table but then you get shot down for doing so.
Back ache, hahaha ah or who goes to the gym or even what carvery we've (me) have eaten have nothing to do with window cleaning, not really. I suppose that's why less n less people are commenting other than to start arguments or debates etc.
Can someone start an interesting thread off please
no, no your wrong there you meant ALL ;D
Darran
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Let's face it, the majority of threads on here are pointless, haha yes even some of mine.
But it's the same topics over n over again, we have to fetch something new to the table but then you get shot down for doing so.
Back ache, hahaha ah or who goes to the gym or even what carvery we've (me) have eaten have nothing to do with window cleaning, not really. I suppose that's why less n less people are commenting other than to start arguments or debates etc.
Can someone start an interesting thread off please
no, no your wrong there you meant ALL ;D
Darran
Wow that took a record length of time for the snipe, I'm a little disappointed Sean would have been on it like a virgin in a brothel house
😂😂
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What a pointless thread.
::)roll
The point of ro is to reduce how much work the di does. If your tap tds is going from 30ppm tp 130ppm then get an ro. Problem solved.
Fill up your van with the ro water, and pump on demand through di as you use it.
My tap tds is 325ppm. And sometimes hits 350. Blimey guys you would think there was a massive crisis going on here..its ridiculous.
On yer bike and go and get your pie, lad.
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My water has a TDS of 300.
I use a Gapswater 4040 with pressure pump. This produces water at 7 ppm.
I don’t bother with resin anymore.
How long does it stay at 7 though? I get the same output but it doesn’t stay at 7 for that long. Perhaps 8 weeks then creeps up.
Last time I checked it, it was 6 ;)
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People saying using RO is too much faff...
LOL
10 minutes flushing and that’s it. It fills your tank, it stops when it’s full.
You might have to go to the HUGE effort of changing the pre filters once every 3 months, that’s a game-changing 15 minute job.
when i say faff...im on a water meter and no room for a storage tank plus it takes ages to make 500L of pure using an RO..i can purify 500L in less than 30 mins DI only.... :)
I’m also on a water meter, and also do not have a storage tank.
My water costs £3.10 per 1,000 litres (that’s including the sewage charge), so, because RO uses twice as much water as resin alone, that means each fill of 700 litres costs £2.17 MORE than using resin alone.
Assuming 4 fills per week, and 4.3 weeks in a month, that’s an additional monthly cost of £37.32 in extra water.
Even in a softish water area, I don’t think you could purify 12,000 litres of water using only DI for less than £37, therefore the cost of using RO is less than DI.
As for it taking ages, so what?
It takes approx 4 hrs to fill my 700 litre tank, and so what about it?
You set it filling and forget about it, that’s the whole point.
Yes resin is faster, but I don’t see why that’s an advantage?
Right now I have a 450l tank, Di only in the van. Probably once every week I’ll run out of water, usually on large jobs that are local. I just nip home for my lunch and in 40 mins I can have another full tank ready to go. I couldn’t do this if I needed to go through an RO.
Get a bigger tank etc etc, not possible as 450l is as big as my van can carry without going over the payload.
With a good booster pump we produce a 1000 ltr of pure in 2 hours
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Tds now 83 in Cheshire
that's the highest I've ever known ::)roll
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Tds now 83 in Cheshire
that's the highest I've ever known ::)roll
Mine peaked at 86 yesterday. They’ve definately added water from another source as it’s never gone beyond 75 before now.
I hardly think we needed a letter sending out for a TDS increase of 11ppm 😂
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mines gone up too...its now 043 out of my tap......
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mines creeping up every day now...its currently at 047 today.....................still........no need to panic just yet! ;D
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Mines on 93
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gone up again!its at 050 now.....
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Mines back to normal, 075, has been for a couple days now.
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36 today, thankfully
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36 today, thankfully
I bet that’s a relief for you, after getting up near to 100!
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Certainly is
Didn't want to purchase an RO :o
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Certainly is
Didn't want to purchase an RO :o
or more resin! ;D
the highest mines ever been was 105 a few years ago then it went back to 029 after a couple of weeks.i never noticed an increase in resin use TBH.......
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TDS has jumped to 106 over the weekend, highest it’s ever been at this address. What’s yours now Dazmond / Jon?
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mines 047 now...it peaked at 050(last week)......
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I’ve got 425 in near Bath at the moment, reckon it’s time for a RO...
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I’ve got 425 in near Bath at the moment, reckon it’s time for a RO...
or go back to trad...... ;D
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My water has a TDS of 300.
I use a Gapswater 4040 with pressure pump. This produces water at 7 ppm.
I don’t bother with resin anymore.
Still 7.
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Gone up to 159 today (from 075) looks like I’ll be purchasing an RO. 👎
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down to 044 today.....
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you bunch of girls ;D mines normally around 500 ppm..450 at best
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you bunch of girls ;D mines normally around 500 ppm..450 at best
That’s unfortunate for you.
It’s still a kick in the nuts though when my water goes from 70 to 150 overnight. Not even the cost bothers me, more the logistics of not being able to fill up in 40 minutes anymore.
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I’m upto 255ppm now and with no idea if it’s going to come down anytime soon I’ll have to get an RO.
Looking for a full RO + prefilter setup that I can install into my garage and I’ll be leaving my DI resin on the van.
Where’s best to buy the full set up? I’m away for a couple weeks so I’ll want to get it set up straight away when I’m back, not wanting to have to build it all myself and waste a day or two doing that.
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https://www.daqua.co.uk - ring Doug , he’s a very knowledgable guy
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I’m upto 255ppm now and with no idea if it’s going to come down anytime soon I’ll have to get an RO.
Looking for a full RO + prefilter setup that I can install into my garage and I’ll be leaving my DI resin on the van.
Where’s best to buy the full set up? I’m away for a couple weeks so I’ll want to get it set up straight away when I’m back, not wanting to have to build it all myself and waste a day or two doing that.
Purefreedom do a set up one.
https://purefreedom.co.uk/product/ro-unit/#booster-pump-controller-automatic-shut-off
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A bit of rain and it's off? Talk about half cocked!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45043191
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I’m upto 255ppm now and with no idea if it’s going to come down anytime soon I’ll have to get an RO.
Looking for a full RO + prefilter setup that I can install into my garage and I’ll be leaving my DI resin on the van.
Where’s best to buy the full set up? I’m away for a couple weeks so I’ll want to get it set up straight away when I’m back, not wanting to have to build it all myself and waste a day or two doing that.
Purefreedom do a set up one.
https://purefreedom.co.uk/product/ro-unit/#booster-pump-controller-automatic-shut-off
Thanks Steve, that looks like just what I’m after, just need to work out whether I’ll need a Booster or not.
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I’m upto 255ppm now and with no idea if it’s going to come down anytime soon I’ll have to get an RO.
Looking for a full RO + prefilter setup that I can install into my garage and I’ll be leaving my DI resin on the van.
Where’s best to buy the full set up? I’m away for a couple weeks so I’ll want to get it set up straight away when I’m back, not wanting to have to build it all myself and waste a day or two doing that.
Purefreedom do a set up one.
https://purefreedom.co.uk/product/ro-unit/#booster-pump-controller-automatic-shut-off
Thanks Steve, that looks like just what I’m after, just need to work out whether I’ll need a Booster or not.
I wish I'd got one of those tbh. Nice and tidy.
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My water is now at 268, was previously 070. Will have to order my RO unit now. Anyone else’s shot up or just mine?
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My water is now at 268, was previously 070. Will have to order my RO unit now. Anyone else’s shot up or just mine?
Ouch!
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My water is now at 268, was previously 070. Will have to order my RO unit now. Anyone else’s shot up or just mine?
mines gone up but only to 047 tds from 024......its been steady for the last few weeks.....
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Mines gone from 250 to 339,
Loads of suppliers seem to be out of resin too
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My water is now at 268, was previously 070. Will have to order my RO unit now. Anyone else’s shot up or just mine?
i feel for you danny......what a pain!hope you get one sorted soon......
......and i hope your not on a water meter either.....
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My water is now at 268, was previously 070. Will have to order my RO unit now. Anyone else’s shot up or just mine?
i feel for you danny......what a pain!hope you get one sorted soon......
......and i hope your not on a water meter either.....
Cheers Daz, it’s a massive pain in the ass.
Having to clear out a large section of my garage to fit in a pre built pure freedom RO HF5 system with prefilters, DI and built in inline TDS metre.
A touch over £900, I know I could have saved a lot of cost by doing this myself but I’ve just returned from 3 weeks in Greece and need to get back up and running ASAP.
The only benefit here will be that I will recoup the cost in not having to buy resin within around 24 months.
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Mines gone up in last couple of months.
Has been around 150 for years.
This summer it's shot up to about 280
Hopefully it will come back down a some point.
Definitely noticeable on resin and filters this summer
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Mines gone up in last couple of months.
Has been around 150 for years.
This summer it's shot up to about 280
Hopefully it will come back down a some point.
Definitely noticeable on resin and filters this summer
Where you based Gomo?
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My water is now at 268, was previously 070. Will have to order my RO unit now. Anyone else’s shot up or just mine?
i feel for you danny......what a pain!hope you get one sorted soon......
......and i hope your not on a water meter either.....
Cheers Daz, it’s a massive pain in the ass.
Having to clear out a large section of my garage to fit in a pre built pure freedom RO HF5 system with prefilters, DI and built in inline TDS metre.
A touch over £900, I know I could have saved a lot of cost by doing this myself but I’ve just returned from 3 weeks in Greece and need to get back up and running ASAP.
The only benefit here will be that I will recoup the cost in not having to buy resin within around 24 months.
Did you not go for a pumped system?
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No, went for the non pumped HF5. Can always add a pump easily afterwards if need be but my water pressure is v good as is.
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No, went for the non pumped HF5. Can always add a pump easily afterwards if need be but my water pressure is v good as is.
Fair enough. Atrocious here.
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Even in a softish water area, I don’t think you could purify 12,000 litres of water using only DI for less than £37, therefore the cost of using RO is less than DI.
Are your filters and membranes free then? Not to mention booster pumps and membrane housings.
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All set up with my RO now.
I ordered the unit from Pure Freedom on Friday and it got delivered this morning. Fantastic service from Andrew!
Tap TDS of 260, TDS after RO is 12 then polished to 0. I also have a DI before my tank on the van so I’d expect a bag of resin will last 12 months or more now. Every cloud.....
I havnt measured the production rate but it’s plenty fast enough to not need a booster pump.
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All set up with my RO now.
I ordered the unit from Pure Freedom on Friday and it got delivered this morning. Fantastic service from Andrew!
Tap TDS of 260, TDS after RO is 12 then polished to 0. I also have a DI before my tank on the van so I’d expect a bag of resin will last 12 months or more now. Every cloud.....
I havnt measured the production rate but it’s plenty fast enough to not need a booster pump.
good stuff danny....how long does it take to purify your water with an RO?(450L).....
also when your tap tds finally drops back down to 070 you wont need resin to polish it off.....just the RO water will do.....
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I’m guessing here because I had a fair bit left after today’s work but......
It’s just filled roughly 250 litres in around 90 minutes. Estimate it will take around 2.5 hours to fill my 450l tank. I can live with that.
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12 seems high. Mine is 280 in and 4 out. I reckon you need a pump. Sorry.
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12 seems high. Mine is 280 in and 4 out. I reckon you need a pump. Sorry.
I thought a reduction of 95% of the TDS was fairly standard? Correct me if I’m wrong.
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98 or 99 is standard just depends on your membrane
Darran
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Blimey , my membrane was new in January- tap tds of 340 out of RO in January 002 , now coming out at 014. No pump
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12 seems high. Mine is 280 in and 4 out. I reckon you need a pump. Sorry.
I thought a reduction of 95% of the TDS was fairly standard? Correct me if I’m wrong.
I’ve heard others say 95% is near shot. You definitely ought to be 5/6.
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So you think I should get a booster to increase the psi and this will give me a lower TDS after membrane?
Will this also extend the life of the membrane as reducing from 012 to 004 alone wouldn’t really be worth the outlay for the booster pump for me.
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So you think I should get a booster to increase the psi and this will give me a lower TDS after membrane?
Will this also extend the life of the membrane as reducing from 012 to 004 alone wouldn’t really be worth the outlay for the booster pump for me.
I’d definitely speak to PF and do your sums. Currently I’m not using resin at all.
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12 seems high. Mine is 280 in and 4 out. I reckon you need a pump. Sorry.
I thought a reduction of 95% of the TDS was fairly standard? Correct me if I’m wrong.
It's a new membrane, so depending on how much water you are producing the output TDS probably will come down a few more ppm over the next few days.
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I changed my membrane the other week and Doug at Daqua told me to run it to waste for 4 hours.
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95% is the minimum your membrane should be operating at.
I’m ordering a new one tomorrow, I’ve got about 410 in and about 29/30 out (I’ve let mine slide a bit more than I would normally though, and it is nearly 3 years old)
For £900+ I’d hope they sold you a pressure guage with your RO set up, so whats your ingoing pressure?
My last membrane was a HF5 (low pressure), I still needed to buy a booster anyway as my water pressure was too low.
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So you think I should get a booster to increase the psi and this will give me a lower TDS after membrane?
Will this also extend the life of the membrane as reducing from 012 to 004 alone wouldn’t really be worth the outlay for the booster pump for me.
Yes to all of the above and you’ll get faster production.
And going from 12 to 4ppm would be worth the outlay imo, it’ll save you alot on resin in the long run
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I spoke to Doug today , he said you should start looking at a new membrane when the tds coming out is 20 or above
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TDS out is down to 6ppm now it’s had a couple of fills through it.
Yes there’s a pressure gauge on it and the psi is anywhere between 50-60 depending on what water is being used in the house.
This is being run from an outside garden tap which also has a quite a big leak until I can plumb it straight from the main supply at the weekend so I’d expect a constant 60-70psi going forward.
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I spoke to Doug today , he said you should start looking at a new membrane when the tds coming out is 20 or above
He would say that though wouldn’t he! That’s like the really annoying Dreams advert that says you should replace your mattress every 8 years regardless of condition. 😂
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TDS out is down to 6ppm now it’s had a couple of fills through it.
Yes there’s a pressure gauge on it and the psi is anywhere between 50-60 depending on what water is being used in the house.
This is being run from an outside garden tap which also has a quite a big leak until I can plumb it straight from the main supply at the weekend so I’d expect a constant 60-70psi going forward.
That’s more like it!
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I spoke to Doug today , he said you should start looking at a new membrane when the tds coming out is 20 or above
He would say that though wouldn’t he! That’s like the really annoying Dreams advert that says you should replace your mattress every 8 years regardless of condition. 😂
I reckon beds and mattresses are an age related affliction. We got a new bed and mattress about 4 years ago, but I keep going into John Lewis and trying out a mattress there that is an almost obscene price, but oh my god it’s amazing.