Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paul alan on May 05, 2018, 10:53:23 pm
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What do you reckon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRLOo0CdYY&t=154s
IMO he is called trad man for a reason.
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What do you reckon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRLOo0CdYY&t=154s
IMO he is called trad man for a reason.
How many minutes to do this bungalow guys?
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I saw that video a few days ago. I can't knock his Trad skills. I never masted trad 100% i was "ok" shall we say.
WFP i would say about 10-12 minutes? Nice high flow though, ideally not using a backpack or a trolley. Probs a £12-£15er. Mind you he lives in Scotland in the middle of nowhere. Prices for window cleaning generally are much cheaper aswell. I don't know how they cope too be honest, they get the worst weather in winter aswell. You think the prices would be higher to compensate for winter. Like how it is in Canada and USA. There prices are much much higher, but every year they have to take winter off due to freezing temps so it's compensated for.
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What do you reckon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRLOo0CdYY&t=154s
IMO he is called trad man for a reason.
How many minutes to do this bungalow guys?
Forgot to message you back the other day like an absolute donut. Will message you later. hope your having a good weekend, not working too hard!!! ;D
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What do you reckon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRLOo0CdYY&t=154s
IMO he is called trad man for a reason.
How many minutes to do this bungalow guys?
Forgot to message you back the other day like an absolute donut. Will message you later. hope your having a good weekend, not working too hard!!! ;D
No worries mate!
I had a long day yesterday and off now till Tuesday .
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Hes obviously more of a trad guy, hence the name and this is evident whenever he uses the wfp system.
He also mentioned its a regular cleaning job so on wfp it should be around ten minutes or shorter.
I think a fair trial would be someone who is confident on both and perhaps using a house as more of a comparison. Using ladders, putting them up n down, dodging washing lines and going up n down them as well as cleaning the windows would increase bis time dramatically
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When I saw he was wearing a skirt I found it hard to take him seriously.
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When I saw he was wearing a skirt I found it hard to take him seriously.
I know, it puts a new element to danger when using ladders.
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Hes obviously more of a trad guy, hence the name and this is evident whenever he uses the wfp system.
He also mentioned its a regular cleaning job so on wfp it should be around ten minutes or shorter.
I think a fair trial would be someone who is confident on both and perhaps using a house as more of a comparison. Using ladders, putting them up n down, dodging washing lines and going up n down them as well as cleaning the windows would increase bis time dramatically
Couldn't agree more!
I think he's trying to show that there isn't much difference between trad and pole but I would say that there is.
If that bungalow was a monthly maintenance clean then I reckon it could be done in 8-10 minutes conservatively, less even.
He said that if you're doing it in less time then you're either a) rushing because you're prices are under or b) you're not doing a good enough job!
He look's like a newbie with the pole and the actual pole and brush look like amateur equipment too.
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He spends far too long on 1 window with his wfp , 16 mins for a bungalow ??? That’s a long time . Mind you , when I put my flow up from 55 to 70 - it made a massive difference in speed. When I used to have a trolley, I had it on 15!!
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He spends far too long on 1 window with his wfp , 16 mins for a bungalow ??? That’s a long time . Mind you , when I put my flow up from 55 to 70 - it made a massive difference in speed. When I used to have a trolley, I had it on 15!!
Thats why I dont think he's too well versed with the pole, and imagine how much he would have to charge someone to spend 16 miinutes cleaning they're bungalow to make it viable.
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His username is trad man so obviously he's more or less all trad work meaning he will be more comfortable and faster using that method. If he was to wfp only until competent with it there would be no comparison in my opinion.
Also he's using a 40 foot pole for bungalow work, if he had a more manageable weight of pole for bungalow work he could cut a lot of time off that house as well.
If he had of filmed himself on a two storey that's where the difference between faffing around with ladders and the simplicity of the wfp would have been more obvious.
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He's perfectly well versed in WFP.
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Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.
I guarantee I could clean that house twice with wfp by the time he does it trad.
Seems to me he's just trying to make trad look faster than it is to feed his "trad man" moniker.
If he had any sense he'd ditch trad and work faster and easier with the wfp.
Everyone knows wfp is faster, and whilst a bungalow might be a bit closer when you bring ladders into the equation it destroys it.
Trad for the sake of trad that's all he is doing.
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Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.
Nope.
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Hes supposedly has seven yrs experience with wfp and has worked with a big wfp company.
However, the downside on the video is that hes pretending to clean it as if it was a dirty bungalow and he only makes that clear half way through the vid, before he does the trad work. You can clearly see he spends ages on the frames, ages on the glass and then for good measure rinses yet again off the glass. Even though the window footage shows that he has good flow and the windows are not hydrophobic. The discrepancy comes when its just a light wipe over the frames with a microfibre cloth before he trad cleans the window. Which we all should know who have done trad work, its not that easy and sometimes you have to mop n blade a window twice.
Therefore he should have stuck to doing the comparison as a maintenance clean because thats what the window warranted, not a hyper theoretical situation which subconsciously can be swung one way or the other.
Haha it makes me want to do a vid based on a standard house now 😂
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Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.
Nope.
No no sorry, I want asking if you agree. I was stating what I saw.
First of all he cleans already clean top frames with vents, which was unessacary he then return to clean over the same vent he started with, spens too long scrubbing the frames and the glass then too much rinsing.
He was over cleaning, which imo is a noob trait. I'm sure we all did it to start with but over time with experience most of us will realise a lot of that was just wasting time.
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Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.
Nope.
No no sorry, I want asking if you agree. I was stating what I saw.
First of all he cleans already clean top frames with vents, which was unessacary he then return to clean over the same vent he started with, spens too long scrubbing the frames and the glass then too much rinsing.
He was over cleaning, which imo is a noob trait. I'm sure we all did it to start with but over time with experience most of us will realise a lot of that was just wasting time.
I'm stating, categorically, with 100% certainty, that he is in no way a noob. He's as experienced as any of you.
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a few mins here and there add up though.if you saved say 8 mins an hour over 6 hours thats nearly an hour saved(for finishing earlier or squeezing more work into the same time).......for maintenance clean work (which is most of the work we clean for the majority of the time)then i think the gap would be more like 5 mins on bungalows....
the bigger the jobs the bigger the time saving...some jobs i clean in less than half the time they used to take on ladders.....one of my jobs used to take me 2 hours trad.....it takes me 40 mins now WFP for £60....many more examples too.....
also most of us have a van mount which is easier and quicker than using a backpack.....high flow is another factor.....
enjoy the bank holiday chaps.....im off to work now.... 8) ;D
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Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.
Nope.
No no sorry, I want asking if you agree. I was stating what I saw.
First of all he cleans already clean top frames with vents, which was unessacary he then return to clean over the same vent he started with, spens too long scrubbing the frames and the glass then too much rinsing.
He was over cleaning, which imo is a noob trait. I'm sure we all did it to start with but over time with experience most of us will realise a lot of that was just wasting time.
I'm stating, categorically, with 100% certainty, that he is in no way a noob. He's as experienced as any of you.
I didn't say he was a noob, I said his technique with the wfp was very noob like
and i explained why above.
He was overcleaning which imo is a trait of an inexperienced wfp user. If indeed he has lots of experience then he needs to stop fannying around with trad and learn how to utilise the wfp better as if he can clean almost as quick trad then he is doing something wrong with the wfp.
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If you notice luke the window cleaner only uses the moreman on the top windows on a pole imo this is for lack of deataling needed at height,,on the reachable windows they always use a Splus or a standard channel. Tradman and Polznblaze May have less detailing but as far as speed goes they are no quicker than an experienced tradder even if a few sides need to be scrimmed etc,I have gone back and back again to the moreman tools and like I say although you don’t need to detail the edges you get lots of turn marks although they aren’t visable in certain lights. The rubber being forced into the corner is a trade off and the trade off is turn marks on the glass.
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Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.
Nope.
No no sorry, I want asking if you agree. I was stating what I saw.
First of all he cleans already clean top frames with vents, which was unessacary he then return to clean over the same vent he started with, spens too long scrubbing the frames and the glass then too much rinsing.
He was over cleaning, which imo is a noob trait. I'm sure we all did it to start with but over time with experience most of us will realise a lot of that was just wasting time.
I'm stating, categorically, with 100% certainty, that he is in no way a noob. He's as experienced as any of you.
I didn't say he was a noob, I said his technique with the wfp was very noob like
and i explained why above.
He was overcleaning which imo is a trait of an inexperienced wfp user. If indeed he has lots of experience then he needs to stop fannying around with trad and learn how to utilise the wfp better as if he can clean almost as quick trad then he is doing something wrong with the wfp.
i think he was WFPOLING that job as a dirty first clean adam and NOT a regular maintenance clean........
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If that was a dirty first clean then he was way under doing it!
He cant win either way.
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Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.
Nope.
No no sorry, I want asking if you agree. I was stating what I saw.
First of all he cleans already clean top frames with vents, which was unessacary he then return to clean over the same vent he started with, spens too long scrubbing the frames and the glass then too much rinsing.
He was over cleaning, which imo is a noob trait. I'm sure we all did it to start with but over time with experience most of us will realise a lot of that was just wasting time.
I'm stating, categorically, with 100% certainty, that he is in no way a noob. He's as experienced as any of you.
I didn't say he was a noob, I said his technique with the wfp was very noob like
and i explained why above.
He was overcleaning which imo is a trait of an inexperienced wfp user. If indeed he has lots of experience then he needs to stop fannying around with trad and learn how to utilise the wfp better as if he can clean almost as quick trad then he is doing something wrong with the wfp.
i think he was WFPOLING that job as a dirty first clean adam and NOT a regular maintenance clean........
Then he undercleaned it :-[
if he can clean first cleans that quick with a quick waft of the top frame then he is a genius.
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At the end of the day these videos are serving a purpose [you'd like to think].
It bodes well to bear that fact to mind when considering the 'outcome'.
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Interesting video and even more interesting is the different viewpoints on how fast you can clean with WFP.
I think he was cleaning them very nicely and WILL have or build a very nice business with very loyal customers. I bet he has a very high customer retention rate.
I bet he advertises that he cleans all the frames every time he calls, not just when he thinks they are getting dirty.
I like it, and, would recommend that any newbies reading this thread to watch the video and use as a reference for good practice.
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Interesting video and even more interesting is the different viewpoints on how fast you can clean with WFP.
I think he was cleaning them very nicely and WILL have or build a very nice business with very loyal customers. I bet he has a very high customer retention rate.
I bet he advertises that he cleans all the frames every time he calls, not just when he thinks they are getting dirty.
I like it, and, would recommend that any newbies reading this thread to watch the video and use as a reference for good practice.
Great for newbie's, I agree there.
I clean all the frames on every visit and have a great customer retention rate and also get a lot of work from recommendations.
When I do a first clean I spend a lot longer than that, when doing a maintenance I spend less than that.
I am not going to say I've never had a complaint because it wouldn't be true, but they are very rare and I cant even remember the last one.
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At the end of the day these videos are serving a purpose [you'd like to think].
It bodes well to bear that fact to mind when considering the 'outcome'.
The prupose this video is serving for me at least, is to show that there is not much difference between trad and pole.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
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We clean in a very similar way to the guy in the video on 4 weekly cleans. We find a lot of customers like our way of cleaning as opsed to ‘quick’ cleaners in our area. This is my opinion and our customers (we gather info on why a new customer is using us) I’m not suggesting this way is right or wrong, but have found by cleaning this way, the business has gone from strength to strength.
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What i dont like is how indirectly and directly he is saying that quality suffers with speed. I however disagree. Using his tools as a basis, if someone was using a mop in one hand and a squeegee in the other. Or they used a bucket on the belt and drew out the mop first and then when finished put the mop down and then drew out the squeegee! How much slower would they be compared to someone using a wagtail for instance.
Or on wfp, i found a 14 inch brush with six jets and hot water quicker than a standard size brush and two jets. Or even a bissell spray bar on a 12inch brush compared to 2 jets on the same brush.
In both scenarios one will be quite quicker than the other. With trad mans thinking or portrayal he would say that the quicker person has sacrificed quality for speed and if this argument fails he woukd say its poorly priced.
So on this video i disagree. I like trad man and im a subscriber 😂😂 you can even read this discussion in the comments.
But I also owe an apology as I think its spurred this next video
https://youtu.be/84-bSCaepPw
I can only apologies
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This trad man guy really gets on my wick, he's tilting a lance at anyone that says they can do a good job quickly.
I do detail the windows and frames on a first clean, you dont have to do that on all cleans there-after.
We all have different ways of doing things but to say "I" am better than "you" (which is where this is going is just plain annoying)
If he wants to over clean his maintenance work/under clean his first cleans that's fine with me, just get off your high horse and put the lance down.
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...put some trousers 👖 on too ;D
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Im cleaning my mates house this week and ive got his permission to base my next vid on his house, a small three bed semi.
Im confident on both tools for cleaning and will show it as a maintenance clean. I am interested to know the actual difference, though this can vary depending on user and equipment being used (which i will stress on my vid)
This vegan diet has seen me loose quite a bit of weight so ill be quicker on my feet as well 😂😂😁
Though not sure if to wear a kilt or not, might make you quicker as your a little more freerer down there ;D
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Im cleaning my mates house this week and ive got his permission to base my next vid on his house, a small three bed semi.
Im confident on both tools for cleaning and will show it as a maintenance clean. I am interested to know the actual difference, though this can vary depending on user and equipment being used (which i will stress on my vid)
This vegan diet has seen me loose quite a bit of weight so ill be quicker on my feet as well 😂😂😁
Though not sure if to wear a kilt or not, might make you quicker as your a little more freerer down there ;D
I’m Disappointed.
Carverys don’t cater for vegans. How you gonna cope! ;D
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Haha, it was a shock to the system ;D ;D
But swapped for olives, sun dried tomatoes n falafels and whats worse i actually enjoy the swap
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What i dont like is how indirectly and directly he is saying that quality suffers with speed. I however disagree. Using his tools as a basis, if someone was using a mop in one hand and a squeegee in the other. Or they used a bucket on the belt and drew out the mop first and then when finished put the mop down and then drew out the squeegee! How much slower would they be compared to someone using a wagtail for instance.
Or on wfp, i found a 14 inch brush with six jets and hot water quicker than a standard size brush and two jets. Or even a bissell spray bar on a 12inch brush compared to 2 jets on the same brush.
In both scenarios one will be quite quicker than the other. With trad mans thinking or portrayal he would say that the quicker person has sacrificed quality for speed and if this argument fails he woukd say its poorly priced.
So on this video i disagree. I like trad man and im a subscriber 😂😂 you can even read this discussion in the comments.
But I also owe an apology as I think its spurred this next video
https://youtu.be/84-bSCaepPw
I can only apologies
What an absolute load of ball cocks that video is "window detailer" my eye!
That's what we've all been doing for years whilst trad man was still playing with a squeegee on a pole, now all of a sudden he has bought himself a pole and he's the self appointed leading authority on wfp and we're all "bucket bobs" the cheeky little haggis muncher.
And i suppose he's charging more for his window "detailing" which is just a conmans first clean, what will he call himself on the maintenance cleans when all the "detailing " has been done on the first and is no longer required?
We'll add another catagory to this shall we? how about glass cleaner? cos that waht he was when showing us all videos of how to clean upstairs windows witha suqeegee on a pole without cleaning any frame at all.
Go back to making videos about squeegee's trad man, your no better than anyone else with the wfp.
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I would have to agree with a lot of those sentiments.
Some people really like to over complicate things.
Window “detailing” is just what we’ve all been calling a “construction” clean, or builders clean/ initial clean.
Take off paint, render, labels etc.
That’s the only time it’s necessary to get eye level and hands on with a window. After that it’s all just maintenance and cleaning a small amount of dust and the odd birds mess/snail trail.
If they are still charging “detailing” prices on the third and fourth clean then they are gonna be quids in for sure. An initial deep clean should be 3 or 4 times the price of a maintenance clean.
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im mainly a fast "splasher and dasher" maintenance window washer....with the occasional bit of trad work and add on UPVC/conny roof/solar panel cleaning jobs.... ;D
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I 'splash n dash' too. What's the point in over-kill?
I've had one complaint recently about being 'five minutes' and a lowering of standards, for a £20 job, which I thought was a cheek, since I normally have to badger this customer via facebook for payment, once I've rolled it over three cleans.
She's Russian, by the way. Russians always seem a bit bolshie to me.
So I made sure I got paid, have been nothing but polite, and I'm not going back. ;D
'Lowering of standards', the cheek of it, my standards are always low. I don't want fussy customers.
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id never earn high hourly rates if i spent time messing about with trad and over cleaning with WFP......
once you ve been cleaning with WFP for a few years and can afford better equipment(decent poles,hot water,bigger tanks etc)some work can be ridiculously quick to clean with a good finish to the windows........
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Trust me liquidators leave marks like you’ve just started cleaning windows.
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In my trad days, if you saw me in the early years, you would wonder what the heck I was upto. After I cleaned the windows I use to stand or squat to look at the windows from all sort of angles to make sure no marks were left.
The worst was leaded windows, scrimming them. After checking from two different angles I thought I had cracked the technique ut then that final different check showed the smears.
I hated leaded windows, even giving them a quick spray and scrimming I hated. In the end I found a great dilution mix of blue titan, mopped the windows and used a 14 inch channel that allowed most pressure for glasd contact to blade off and then a light scrimming polished it up lovely. Or should i say, detailed them brilliantly
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Sorry, disagree about liquidator leaving marks. Use some GG3 as slip (good stuff) and don't make sharp turns. Clean a factory every month and it's spotless with no detailing at all apart from one badly fitted seal. I wfp most work unless I have a run of hydrophobic glass on a run of patio size glass, then I rinse frames and tops of glass with de-ionised water then use a large liquidator or combinator just pulling straight down the glass in two passes as it's quicker than rinsing off with a wfp even with a rinse bar on
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once your experienced with WFP and have a decent set up you d be a fool to keep tradding work that would be easier/faster with WFP....the main reason some WFP window cleaners still trad is they cant carry enough water to last them a day....or they use backpacks and barrels instead of van mounts...
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I cleaned the downstairs of my girlfriends place today trad, inside and out. It does a more thorough job IMO done properly.
I won’t be changing back though, feck that.
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I cleaned the downstairs of my girlfriends place today trad, inside and out. It does a more thorough job IMO done properly.
I won’t be changing back though, feck that.
i forgot your girlfriend lives in a retirement bungalow....did you not think of knocking on some of the other elderly residents bungalows?you could end up with a nice easy trad round... ;)