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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: DeLuce on April 12, 2018, 05:12:56 pm
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I've run an immersion for a few years now. Started off over winter with warm, but now I use it all year round. I prefer the warmer water (I know this isn't everybody's preference!!)
Anyway, I've been taking temp reading when I feel that the warmer water seems to make more of a difference cleaning the frames and glass. It tends to start about the late 30s (37-40) to early 40 degrees. I can't get much above this at the brushhead with my setup without it being on for ages.
So, do you hot water uses notice a difference at a certain temp?
If you were to settle on an optimum cleaning temp, what would you say it is?
Out of interest.
Ta lahs
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I've run an immersion for a few years now. Started off over winter with warm, but now I use it all year round. I prefer the warmer water (I know this isn't everybody's preference!!)
Anyway, I've been taking temp reading when I feel that the warmer water seems to make more of a difference cleaning the frames and glass. It tends to start about the late 30s (37-40) to early 40 degrees. I can't get much above this at the brushhead with my setup without it being on for ages.
So, do you hot water uses notice a difference at a certain temp?
If you were to settle on an optimum cleaning temp, what would you say it is?
Out of interest.
Ta lahs
I think this will open up a whole can of worms as everyone will have there own opinion but I think from a scientific fact the hotter the water the better it will clean , however and it’s a big however you don’t want to go mad as you could break pains of glass if it is to hot ,hot water produces faster moving molecules so it will clean faster than cold or warm water we use a 9 kw diesel boiler and run it flat out all the time , in the summer months sometimes if the tank of water is very hot to the touch I mean it’s that hot you cannot put your hands in it we turn the boiler off for a couple of hours or so I don’t check the temperature of the water but again if you are using 10 meters of hose the water will be a lot hotter than if you have 100 meters hose out as it will naturally dissipate heat into the ground and air so you will not get the same temperature all day it will depend on the amount of hose out
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9kw diesel heater..........40-50c and its effortless to scrub snail trails,bird muck and bee/pollen spots off the glass and frames......i also run my boiler on full whack all the time.....in summer on a hot day i fully expect the water to get to 60c at brush end even with 50m of hose out.in winter on a freezing cold day with 100m out its only around 25-30c at brush end.thats ok as i dont want the water too hot on a cold day due to the risk of thermal shock.....
sometimes when im cleaning the van with most of the hose coiled on the reel its reading 55-60c at brush end....too hot to keep your hand under it for long! ;D
ive said it before and ill say it again.hot water is more beneficial for cleaning in the warmer months due to increased temperature at brush end,more sticky pollen on the windows,snail trails, bird muck,green algae and of course the filthy add on jobs we pick up....
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Thanks for the replies.
I'm getting the 9kw fitted in a couple of weeks, so just trying to glean some info out of you lot lol.
It's good to see how others get on with it. :D
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Thanks for the replies.
I'm getting the 9kw fitted in a couple of weeks, so just trying to glean some info out of you lot lol.
It's good to see how others get on with it. :D
you ll love it mate...just make sure you see the boiler working WITHOUT the van running (for longer than 5 mins)..... ;D
are you getting the smart charger fitted as well rigsby?
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I run mine at half way point on the setting, I don’t want it that hot, plus it has a tendency to eat through the extreme brushes so I tweak mine so it’s hot enough to make a difference
I know there are other brushes which cope with heat better, but after over 20 years on poles my body needs the lightest equipment
Maybe on a first clean I’ll turn it up to full blast
on leaded lights pvc, it will take off the lead that’s stuck on epesially older frames, so I will turn it off or right down on a higher flow
I only use hot through colder months mines off now except for new cleans, many won’t agree as to why but it’s my preference for usage,
Hope you enjoy the heater
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I run mine at half way point on the setting, I don’t want it that hot, plus it has a tendency to eat through the extreme brushes so I tweak mine so it’s hot enough to make a difference
I know there are other brushes which cope with heat better, but after over 20 years on poles my body needs the lightest equipment
Maybe on a first clean I’ll turn it up to full blast
on leaded lights pvc, it will take off the lead that’s stuck on epesially older frames, so I will turn it off or right down on a higher flow
I only use hot through colder months mines off now except for new cleans, many won’t agree as to why but it’s my preference for usage,
Hope you enjoy the heater
i dont see the point in spending all that money and not using hot water ALL the time on full power.......i use it every day....i love it! 8)
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Daz...serious question...
I clean every 8 weeks and don't really have a problem with bird poo or snail trails. Yes I get a few, but I deal with them, job done.
However:
I like the idea of hot water to speed me up and I appreciate that hot cleans quicker and probably better, than cold.
Would hot water be of benefit to me?
I currently clean round the frames (quickly) (a quick 3x swipe where the top of the glass meets the rubber), twice over the glass (left to right, then right to left) and a very minimal rinse ( I use a high flow).
If I used hot, do you think I could do just a once over the glass (left to right etc).
This would be a massive time saving for me and probably worth the investment.
Sorry to put you on the spot.
Cheers
Robbo
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I run mine from the boiler end at 59 to 61. It can lose as much as 13 degrees on cold days with a lot of hose out.
If its a rare minus day i just use it as warm.
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Thats why i got hot water, for better cleaning. I started with fish tank heates but only got the water into the 40's but noticed a difference.
Now i like my tank to be around 65 degrees plus and I know that will be ideal for me. I run my pump niw on 80, mostly because i have six jets but also to ensure hot water at the brush end. Ive not took a reading at the brush end but the glass feels nice n warm when ive finished ckeaning it ;D
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Thats why i got hot water, for better cleaning. I started with fish tank heates but only got the water into the 40's but noticed a difference.
Now i like my tank to be around 65 degrees plus and I know that will be ideal for me. I run my pump niw on 80, mostly because i have six jets but also to ensure hot water at the brush end. Ive not took a reading at the brush end but the glass feels nice n warm when ive finished ckeaning it ;D
Fish tank heaters are thermostatically controlled so that they dont cook the fish so there's no way you would have got your water to 40 degrees using them, once again Nathan its 2 + 2 = 6.
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Thats why i got hot water, for better cleaning. I started with fish tank heates but only got the water into the 40's but noticed a difference.
Now i like my tank to be around 65 degrees plus and I know that will be ideal for me. I run my pump niw on 80, mostly because i have six jets but also to ensure hot water at the brush end. Ive not took a reading at the brush end but the glass feels nice n warm when ive finished ckeaning it ;D
Fish tank heaters are thermostatically controlled so that they dont cook the fish so there's no way you would have got your water to 40 degrees using them, once again Nathan its 2 + 2 = 6.
Glad ur on the ball, policing mate.
It feels like a yr ago mate when i used them so perhaps my memory is a little off, sue me
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Thanks for the replies.
I'm getting the 9kw fitted in a couple of weeks, so just trying to glean some info out of you lot lol.
It's good to see how others get on with it. :D
you ll love it mate...just make sure you see the boiler working WITHOUT the van running (for longer than 5 mins)..... ;D
are you getting the smart charger fitted as well rigsby?
Yes mate! Keep everything topped up!! ;D
It's interesting to see how others use their systems too. So thanks for the replies so far 👍🏼
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I don't have hot so just guna ask the question for those that might want it
Can u not just DI hot water out the tap into ur tank or fill the tank with hot and DI out
Can you di hot water ?
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I don't have hot so just guna ask the question for those that might want it
Can u not just DI hot water out the tap into ur tank or fill the tank with hot and DI out
Can you di hot water ?
By the time it gets to your tank it'll be cold again!
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I don't have hot so just guna ask the question for those that might want it
Can u not just DI hot water out the tap into ur tank or fill the tank with hot and DI out
Can you di hot water ?
I did during the cold spell in feb. I filled barrels from the hot tap through the DI
They stayed very warm with the lids on untill the early afternoon.
I have to say...I really enjoyed using warm
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Customers love it mines on from when I start to when I switch off for the day.
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Customers love it mines on from when I start to when I switch off for the day.
There are only three things that are certain in life, Death, Taxes and as soon as a hot thread is started on here NWH will reply with a silly comment. lol.
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You can fill with hot from tap did this during winter to stop gear from freezing up overnight then top up with hot before work it's not ideal as an immersion is more convenient but it does work ;D
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Daz...serious question...
I clean every 8 weeks and don't really have a problem with bird poo or snail trails. Yes I get a few, but I deal with them, job done.
However:
I like the idea of hot water to speed me up and I appreciate that hot cleans quicker and probably better, than cold.
Would hot water be of benefit to me?
I currently clean round the frames (quickly) (a quick 3x swipe where the top of the glass meets the rubber), twice over the glass (left to right, then right to left) and a very minimal rinse ( I use a high flow).
If I used hot, do you think I could do just a once over the glass (left to right etc).
This would be a massive time saving for me and probably worth the investment.
Sorry to put you on the spot.
Cheers
Robbo
at the end of the day robbo hot water makes EVERYTHING better......rinsing/scrubbing/drying of the windows/hose management/no freeze ups in winter......and yes you can "splash and dash" with more confidence on some work......
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There you go Robbo, this will save you £5k from the off and another £1k a year in running costs, if you really want to make your
work life easier then don't add a couple of grand's worth of extra work to your yearly workload just to pay for a fancy bird poo scraper. lol
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1523646764_5k.jpg)
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Daz...serious question...
I clean every 8 weeks and don't really have a problem with bird poo or snail trails. Yes I get a few, but I deal with them, job done.
However:
I like the idea of hot water to speed me up and I appreciate that hot cleans quicker and probably better, than cold.
Would hot water be of benefit to me?
I currently clean round the frames (quickly) (a quick 3x swipe where the top of the glass meets the rubber), twice over the glass (left to right, then right to left) and a very minimal rinse ( I use a high flow).
If I used hot, do you think I could do just a once over the glass (left to right etc).
This would be a massive time saving for me and probably worth the investment.
Sorry to put you on the spot.
Cheers
Robbo
at the end of the day robbo hot water makes EVERYTHING better......rinsing/scrubbing/drying of the windows/hose management/no freeze ups in winter......and yes you can "splash and dash" with more confidence on some work......
Cheers Daz
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hotter the better unless your cleaning fin delicate glass warm is ok but hot kicks ars 8)
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I have a question aimed at hot or warm water fed users...........Do you bother insulating your tanks so the temperature is retained in the tank?
I insulated my wfp tank so when I choose to use warm water I know it's not wasted losing heat through the tank.
I have 2-3000 litre of water that is insulated from the sun (when it is out), heating my storage tanks (free of charge courtesy of solar panel heating), so when I return home at the end of the working day I am able to transfer warm water straight into my insulated holding tank in my van ready for the next working day and it remains warm all day long from late spring through to late autumn.
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I have a question aimed at hot or warm water fed users...........Do you bother insulating your tanks so the temperature is retained in the tank?
I insulated my wfp tank so when I choose to use warm water I know it's not wasted losing heat through the tank.
Absolutely.
I dont know why ones go to the trouble of perhaps using an immersion heater and not go the extra step to insulate the tank
I have 2-3000 litre of water that is insulated from the sun (when it is out), heating my storage tanks (free of charge courtesy of solar panel heating), so when I return home at the end of the working day I am able to transfer warm water straight into my insulated holding tank in my van ready for the next working day and it remains warm all day long from late spring through to late autumn.
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Every pound we spend on expenses has to be raised by cleaning windows therefore wasting money needlessly is no different
to cleaning windows for free (the hobby shiners don't get this ) therefore it would be madness not to insulate your tank.
If you feel that you have to use hot water then at least try and make it cost effective and keep the amount of extra windows you
have to clean to pay for it to a minimum.
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Every pound we spend on expenses has to be raised by cleaning windows therefore wasting money needlessly is no different
to cleaning windows for free (the hobby shiners don't get this ) therefore it would be madness not to insulate your tank.
If you feel that you have to use hot water then at least try and make it cost effective and keep the amount of extra windows you
have to clean to pay for it to a minimum.
Exactly.
Let’s go back to ladders and buckets. Far cheaper.
There’s a balance to everything. 5k over 5-10 years etc plus £1000 a year in maintenance to make a working day “comfortable” to many is well worth it.
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Every pound we spend on expenses has to be raised by cleaning windows therefore wasting money needlessly is no different
to cleaning windows for free (the hobby shiners don't get this ) therefore it would be madness not to insulate your tank.
If you feel that you have to use hot water then at least try and make it cost effective and keep the amount of extra windows you
have to clean to pay for it to a minimum.
Exactly.
Let’s go back to ladders and buckets. Far cheaper.
There’s a balance to everything. 5k over 5-10 years etc plus £1000 a year in maintenance to make a working day “comfortable” to many is well worth it.
How does cleaning an extra £2k worth of properties a year just to stand still make your life more comfortable ? how bad would the windows you clean have to be to balance that sort of extra expense ?
Enjoy using what ever gimmick you need to get you though the day but dont try and make it sound sensible.
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I bet most of us with diesel heaters earn a fair bit more a year than the average window cleaner and also have more in the bank overall so we must be doing something right! ;)
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I have a question aimed at hot or warm water fed users...........Do you bother insulating your tanks so the temperature is retained in the tank?
I insulated my wfp tank so when I choose to use warm water I know it's not wasted losing heat through the tank.
I have 2-3000 litre of water that is insulated from the sun (when it is out), heating my storage tanks (free of charge courtesy of solar panel heating), so when I return home at the end of the working day I am able to transfer warm water straight into my insulated holding tank in my van ready for the next working day and it remains warm all day long from late spring through to late autumn.
No.mines an on demand hot water system so no need for tank insulation..
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I bet most of us with diesel heaters earn a fair bit more a year than the average window cleaner and also have more in the bank overall so we must be doing something right! ;)
you really can be a poop for brains sometimes ::)roll
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I bet most of us with diesel heaters earn a fair bit more a year than the average window cleaner and also have more in the bank overall so we must be doing something right! ;)
you really can be a poop for brains sometimes ::)roll
Its true though.....most window cleaners I know just about scrape a living from window cleaning and drive about in old vans using cold water....window cleaning peasants!!!! ;D ;D
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I don't have hot so just guna ask the question for those that might want it
Can u not just DI hot water out the tap into ur tank or fill the tank with hot and DI out
Can you di hot water ?
So if u have an external tap which runs hot water, you run hose to tank from the tap so the water in the tank is going to be hot, and then DI out as u use it.....
Would this not work guys
By the time it gets to your tank it'll be cold again!
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Dry clean 2k a year how much do you earn a week Does it take you a fair while to earn 2 k then does it lol.
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I bet most of us with diesel heaters earn a fair bit more a year than the average window cleaner and also have more in the bank overall so we must be doing something right! ;)
But perhaps the ‘ average window cleaner ‘ owns their own house, doesn’t have a van on tick, a brand new car on tick or a diesel heater on tick :-X
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I bet most of us with diesel heaters earn a fair bit more a year than the average window cleaner and also have more in the bank overall so we must be doing something right! ;)
But perhaps the ‘ average window cleaner ‘ owns their own house, doesn’t have a van on tick, a brand new car on tick or a diesel heater on tick :-X
None of us ever own anything in reality matey......it's all just rented until we die..... :)
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Is it . And there’s me thinking I paid my mortgage off in January . And only using cold water to work with . I had better phone the Halifax up and ask em if I can start paying rent on the house until I die .
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I bet most of us with diesel heaters earn a fair bit more a year than the average window cleaner and also have more in the bank overall so we must be doing something right! ;)
you really can be a poop for brains sometimes ::)roll
Its true though.....most window cleaners I know just about scrape a living from window cleaning and drive about in old vans using cold water....window cleaning peasants!!!! ;D ;D
You were saying hot water was no better than cold before you got your all singing and dancing system Daz ;D
I've used hot and dont think it will earn anyone more money!!
Cold water is just fine ;)
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Is it . And there’s me thinking I paid my mortgage off in January . And only using cold water to work with . I had better phone the Halifax up and ask em if I can start paying rent on the house until I die .
Well done!! I bet that will be a great feeling - making that last payment :)
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Sure was . And the only hot water I needed was in the home .
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Is it . And there’s me thinking I paid my mortgage off in January . And only using cold water to work with . I had better phone the Halifax up and ask em if I can start paying rent on the house until I die .
Well done!! I bet that will be a great feeling - making that last payment :)
I went in my bank to calculate how much I needed to make a final payment on a certain date, then went in and paid £7500 or just over to complete my last ever mortgage payment, brilliant feeling. Even better feeling when I received the deeds to my home.
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Obviously I don't care about owning a property.... ;D I'm happy paying cheap rent for now....then when the time comes I'll move in with the missus(who owns her own house!)... ;)
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Is it . And there’s me thinking I paid my mortgage off in January . And only using cold water to work with . I had better phone the Halifax up and ask em if I can start paying rent on the house until I die .
Well done!! I bet that will be a great feeling - making that last payment :)
I went in my bank to calculate how much I needed to make a final payment on a certain date, then went in and paid £7500 or just over to complete my last ever mortgage payment, brilliant feeling. Even better feeling when I received the deeds to my home.
Well done to you too! Can’t wait for my turn , got a few years yet
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I bet most of us with diesel heaters earn a fair bit more a year than the average window cleaner and also have more in the bank overall so we must be doing something right! ;)
But perhaps the ‘ average window cleaner ‘ owns their own house, doesn’t have a van on tick, a brand new car on tick or a diesel heater on tick :-X
None of us ever own anything in reality matey......it's all just rented until we die..... :)
That may very well be the case in your own personal situation, but it certainty doesn’t apply to me matey ;)
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Obviously I don't care about owning a property.... ;D I'm happy paying cheap rent for now....then when the time comes I'll move in with the missus(who owns her own house!)... ;)
You sponger😂
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Obviously I don't care about owning a property.... ;D I'm happy paying cheap rent for now....then when the time comes I'll move in with the missus(who owns her own house!)... ;)
You sponger😂
;D ;D ;D some of us have all the luck mate....
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I bet most of us with diesel heaters earn a fair bit more a year than the average window cleaner and also have more in the bank overall so we must be doing something right! ;)
But perhaps the ‘ average window cleaner ‘ owns their own house, doesn’t have a van on tick, a brand new car on tick or a diesel heater on tick :-X
None of us ever own anything in reality matey......it's all just rented until we die..... :)
That may very well be the case in your own personal situation, but it certainty doesn’t apply to me matey ;)
Your gonna die like the rest of us pal so really you never actually own anything in life.....that's my philosophy anyway! ;D
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I know what your saying about you never really own anything but it does give you far more options for you when you are alive,and for your family in the future come to that. If some sort of wealth is acumalated througout sonwones life at least it can be passed on to make other people’s a lot lot easier thank goodness 😂
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I know what your saying about you never really own anything but it does give you far more options for you when you are alive,and for your family in the future come to that. If some sort of wealth is acumalated througout sonwones life at least it can be passed on to make other people’s a lot lot easier thank goodness 😂
my brother is a millionaire mate(true).he s just bought a lexus hybrid car for 75k(cash!) :o :o
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Daz I’m not gonna say how well off my in laws are m8 but I think I know where your coming from lol,put it this way it’s not if they can have whatever it’s when can i. It is true though I see it first hand it’s all work work work and when you weigh it all up some people need to slow down and enjoy the journey.
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Daz I’m not gonna say how well off my in laws are m8 but I think I know where your coming from lol,put it this way it’s not if they can have whatever it’s when can i. It is true though I see it first hand it’s all work work work and when you weigh it all up some people need to slow down and enjoy the journey.
its certainly not all work mate...he goes on around 6 or 7 holidays a year as well as his weekends away..... 8)