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Title: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on March 31, 2018, 11:51:20 am
Having not done flyers for the last 6 years I thought I would get some out again , its not aimed as a blanket drop , its purely for when you pass that odd house which looks grubby and will command a good price .
I dont want streets full of houses , just nice hand picked jobs that will enable me to shape the round into a more profitable run .

As much as I hate to admit it , I think my little moment of lunacy with pink paint and a spray gun did more harm than good !
It was picking up custom due to its quirky look but I think some people didnt take the biz seriously , I dont regret it but no real harm done eh  ;D

So these are my olds and news , hopefully I will get taken seriously again  :D

   
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: swanson on April 03, 2018, 07:39:21 am
They look a bit old fashion
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 03, 2018, 09:35:23 am
They look a bit old fashion
Thats because we are built on good old fashioned values and service  ;D
Not overly concerned about that , it says what I do clearly without baffling them with the science of WFP !
Thanks for the input though as what you have said is exactly the type of custie im after , as in not your spring chicken with the new build they cant really afford and the Audi on the never never  ;)
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: alank on April 03, 2018, 02:39:28 pm
They will do the job nicely. The best response I've had from flyers has been from using basic black and white home printed ones delivered by me to the properties that I want to try and get. In the past I've used professionally printed full colour etc my hit rate from flyers is very good using my basic stuff ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: duncan h on April 03, 2018, 03:49:33 pm
I think they are spot on. Simple but says the services you do. People see loads of pictures and bin them
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: dazmond on April 03, 2018, 05:05:33 pm
simple and straight to the point with no fluff.......

the best type of flyer IMO.......
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: Marc Stock on April 03, 2018, 05:08:37 pm
I found if you go over the top with super duper litho printed leaflets they just blend in with the endless Foxtons Crap and Dominos Pizza menus.

I have always found a simple, black and white flyer to work the best. And drop it at a different time to the usual stuff.
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: james peters on April 03, 2018, 06:03:45 pm
I have found the same as above.
At the moment I am getting around 2 % results on mine, though I think that is because I am delivering them myself, and only targeting the type of work I want.
I do have my website address on mine . for some reason , as of late it seems to be the top of google search. im wondering if its due to hits from peoples searches after having a flyer.???
I have also found better results from printing on card which I buy from wilkos
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: p1w1 on April 03, 2018, 06:12:36 pm
Having not done flyers for the last 6 years I thought I would get some out again , its not aimed as a blanket drop , its purely for when you pass that odd house which looks grubby and will command a good price .
I dont want streets full of houses , just nice hand picked jobs that will enable me to shape the round into a more profitable run .

As much as I hate to admit it , I think my little moment of lunacy with pink paint and a spray gun did more harm than good !
It was picking up custom due to its quirky look but I think some people didnt take the biz seriously , I dont regret it but no real harm done eh  ;D

So these are my olds and news , hopefully I will get taken seriously again  :D

   
why o why did you get rid of the pink machine  ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 03, 2018, 07:36:00 pm
Having not done flyers for the last 6 years I thought I would get some out again , its not aimed as a blanket drop , its purely for when you pass that odd house which looks grubby and will command a good price .
I dont want streets full of houses , just nice hand picked jobs that will enable me to shape the round into a more profitable run .

As much as I hate to admit it , I think my little moment of lunacy with pink paint and a spray gun did more harm than good !
It was picking up custom due to its quirky look but I think some people didnt take the biz seriously , I dont regret it but no real harm done eh  ;D

So these are my olds and news , hopefully I will get taken seriously again  :D

   
why o why did you get rid of the pink machine  ;D

Quite simply because i had it 12 years and the clutch was never needed , but it was starting to slip a little so i had a price of £1200 to get it done  :o :o :o :o , time to get rid i think , i got rid for £1200 which was 25% cost of the new van ..
And the damn clutch went on that !
Only cost me £100 though as i fitted it myself  :D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 03, 2018, 07:44:09 pm
Well i got the ball rolling with them today , I posted 2 today and got both jobs already !
1 was a £15 bungalow , the other a £12 house , both monthly  ;D
I also had an old custie grab me in the street as hes now in his new house which is one of 70 new builds , not really what im looking for as said earlier , but no harm in seeing what it leads to eh ! 
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: alank on April 03, 2018, 07:56:27 pm
100% hit rate that can't be bad can it ;D I've found some of the better new builds not bad if you target them selectively only going for the better quality. I've been putting flyers out on a nice small new build estate started with one of my existing customers moving on to it and it's currently at over £600 per month ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 03, 2018, 09:06:11 pm
100% hit rate that can't be bad can it ;D I've found some of the better new builds not bad if you target them selectively only going for the better quality. I've been putting flyers out on a nice small new build estate started with one of my existing customers moving on to it and it's currently at over £600 per month ;D
Yes well thats 2 of 100 printed , I bet i get sod all now from the other 98  ;D ;D
I did them myself on 6x4 gloss photo paper , worked out to 10p each as my usual cheapie shop had run out of 40 for 99p  >:(
The new build is a bit of a concern as there are lots of naff access jobs in the mix , not what im after !
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: alank on April 03, 2018, 09:38:00 pm
Totally agree with you p@f  about the access issues on some jobs that's why I'm very selective about where I post my flyers and as I'm getting older I've learned to say no more often to walk ups, friends of existing customers etc basically now if I don't want it I leave it ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: robbo333 on April 03, 2018, 10:57:57 pm
Leaflets look good. I think you may need a space after all the commas.
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 04, 2018, 01:44:21 am
Leaflets look good. I think you may need a space after all the commas.
I tried but the only way to do it was to make the font smaller , looked more gash !
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: p1w1 on April 04, 2018, 08:17:15 am
Leaflets look good. I think you may need a space after all the commas.
I tried but the only way to do it was to make the font smaller , looked more gash !
make your margins wider the lines on top and below are wider.
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 04, 2018, 09:57:20 am
OOPS ,  ;D
It seems to have worked this time , it must have been having a paddy when i first tried , looks a lot better now  :D
But the first 100 will have to go out as they are , im not binning them at 10p each  ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: p1w1 on April 04, 2018, 04:28:43 pm
OOPS ,  ;D
It seems to have worked this time , it must have been having a paddy when i first tried , looks a lot better now  :D
But the first 100 will have to go out as they are , im not binning them at 10p each  ;D
P@F i know us window cleaners are tight but you should be on the "have you won an award thread" for tightest window cleaner UK ;D ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 04, 2018, 06:31:34 pm
OOPS ,  ;D
It seems to have worked this time , it must have been having a paddy when i first tried , looks a lot better now  :D
But the first 100 will have to go out as they are , im not binning them at 10p each  ;D
P@F i know us window cleaners are tight but you should be on the "have you won an award thread" for tightest window cleaner UK ;D ;D

Watch the pennies lad , and the pounds will look after themselves  ;D ;D ;D ;D
I blame my old man for my ability to squeak when i walk  ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: JJay on April 04, 2018, 08:55:16 pm
So you saying leaflets made by your own black and white  are giving better effect than ordered at for example vistaprint?
So I had to print some for my own :D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: harv deek on April 04, 2018, 10:51:29 pm
home designed  works best .  you use a "professional" to design your flyers theyll never work well, no soul to them for starters

  i know of a windy near me got 2.5k the best flyers money could buy ,printed on thick card ,got not even 1 call 

 over the years iv read on forums several times of guys and gals  whove bought 20k flyers designed and printed by a print service,they put out about 2k get nowt back and the rest sit in the boxes a waste of money
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: nathankaye on April 05, 2018, 10:53:57 am
home designed  works best .  you use a "professional" to design your flyers theyll never work well, no soul to them for starters

  i know of a windy near me got 2.5k the best flyers money could buy ,printed on thick card ,got not even 1 call 

 over the years iv read on forums several times of guys and gals  whove bought 20k flyers designed and printed by a print service,they put out about 2k get nowt back and the rest sit in the boxes a waste of money

True, though the best thing to do is canvass a couple of days later after the drop.
I find that most people dont respond to flyers apart from the really desperate ones who really need a cleaner.
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: John Mart on April 05, 2018, 03:57:37 pm
home designed  works best .  you use a "professional" to design your flyers theyll never work well, no soul to them for starters

  i know of a windy near me got 2.5k the best flyers money could buy ,printed on thick card ,got not even 1 call 

 over the years iv read on forums several times of guys and gals  whove bought 20k flyers designed and printed by a print service,they put out about 2k get nowt back and the rest sit in the boxes a waste of money

True, though the best thing to do is canvass a couple of days later after the drop.
I find that most people dont respond to flyers apart from the really desperate ones who really need a cleaner.
Just had some awesome ones done by flyersinked. On the theme of home prioduced.

https://www.facebook.com/flyersinked/
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 06, 2018, 08:27:28 pm
Well either im lucky or these flyers have magic dust on em !!
I have put out 80 so far , decided to do the whole new build site today , got 4 before I even got back in the van !
So 80 out and got 6 new monthlys and 1 quote for Monday , bring it on I say  ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: alank on April 06, 2018, 08:32:28 pm
Don't tell everyone about the magic dust they will all want some   ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 06, 2018, 09:01:57 pm
Don't tell everyone about the magic dust they will all want some   ;D
I think its that little bit of pink on the flyer ,  I know  , I will paint my van pink , its gotta be a great move  ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 06, 2018, 09:18:40 pm
Are you feeling the PINKNESS yet  ;D

Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 09, 2018, 09:11:49 pm
Got the outstanding quote today and another new one from new build land , so thats a 10% return  so far  ;)
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: dazmond on April 10, 2018, 08:54:20 am
Got the outstanding quote today and another new one from new build land , so thats a 10% return  so far  ;)

careful rich or you ll end up working more than 4 hours a day if you keep getting more work! ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 10, 2018, 09:31:24 am
Got the outstanding quote today and another new one from new build land , so thats a 10% return  so far  ;)

careful rich or you ll end up working more than 4 hours a day if you keep getting more work! ;D

As I have been doing a bit more of late due to feeling better than I did , I at some occasions have been getting low on work to do , Im not falling into the trap of doing too much again , thats not the goal .
What Im trying to achieve is what we all call "The perfect round" , it does exist , it just takes time as you know .
I dont have messers or non payers , its more like slacker than I would like payers , just a handful of same offenders every clean .
I dont want GC so its got to be weed them out and replace in the nicest possible way to not cause a backlash . 
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 10, 2018, 07:55:47 pm
I just cant stop these flyers working , got a call from the same street i had the quote in yesterday , woman had taken some flyers and did her bit , just got a £12 two weekly , a £12 monthly and a £6 monthly , thats me up  another £500 a year  ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 10, 2018, 08:02:00 pm
86 out 10 in , whats everbody elses results with flyers ?
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: alank on April 10, 2018, 08:08:00 pm
Still doing well with mine ;D steady away only putting them where  I want them so to speak. Sounds like yours are working well p@f hopefully you've found a nice pot of gold there ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 11, 2018, 10:32:16 am
I do think i got lucky with the most recent 4 though , turns out 1 cleaner sold up and the new crew of 3 turned up in the first lot of recent snow , the custies turned them away and they have not returned , they could well turn out to be PITA's but i think they had a point , and i think the cleaners were not all there as they are trad and the houses are old bay fronts on a steep hill , looking for a fall so to speak !
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 11, 2018, 10:37:53 am
I did want to post a link of a vid on youtube , 2 northern blokes footing or not more to the point a ladder on ice and the worst happens , no damage but damn funny  " CHUFFIN  ICE "  he shouts  ;D

Anybody find it , I cant  :'(
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: Robert2k on April 11, 2018, 01:07:17 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7yTinGJM1I  ;D
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 11, 2018, 05:41:17 pm
Cheers Robert , made my day that  ;D
But that compilation that follows is unreal , some right spanner heads out there , pro's too at that !
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 12, 2018, 05:35:50 pm
Another 1 today , £17 monthly , were at 87 out and 11 in  ;D

Looks like Daz was right , got through a 250 and a backpack today , looks like im gonna have to refit the 350  ::)roll
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: Shrek on April 12, 2018, 05:45:03 pm
Another 1 today , £17 monthly , were at 87 out and 11 in  ;D

Looks like Daz was right , got through a 250 and a backpack today , looks like im gonna have to refit the 350  ::)roll

If you don’t mind me asking sir - where are all your customers? Are you a newbie??
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: james peters on April 12, 2018, 07:11:26 pm
I am currently getting 3% return on mine ... tho I do hand deliver myself . I target each house myself , and put a price on the flyer.
I do add on the flyer to allow extra for conservatories , etc. works for me.
been doing it for a long time so only looking to generate 3/5 new ones a week.  but this year alone I have got 52 new custies through just these flyers.
I will also add that they are printed on card . makes all the difference
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 12, 2018, 08:10:34 pm
Another 1 today , £17 monthly , were at 87 out and 11 in  ;D

Looks like Daz was right , got through a 250 and a backpack today , looks like im gonna have to refit the 350  ::)roll

If you don’t mind me asking sir - where are all your customers? Are you a newbie??

No , Im no newbie , been at it 13 year this time  ;D
I have been full circle , newbie , 1 van , 2 vans , commercial coming out my ears , fed up , back to 1 van and too much work , had a stroke , cut work and hours right back , and now 3 years on the mend am feeling the need to build what I have into the perfect round without the grief .
Going well so far so its all good , as for my work , its in 2 areas , one 5 mile away and the other 10 mile away , once at either I probably only have to move the van 2/3 times a day , all nice and compact  ;)
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: Shrek on April 12, 2018, 08:12:58 pm
Ah ha , that explains it. Well done pal , I bet it’s not easy starting again
Title: Re: First flyers for 6 years !
Post by: P @ F on April 12, 2018, 08:46:36 pm
Ah ha , that explains it. Well done pal , I bet it’s not easy starting again

I wouldnt say i was starting again , after the stroke i was back out in 3 months , i just got rid of all but 2 commercial jobs , dumped all the dross/bad payers/out the wayers , this was to give me less hours .
But as i have been getting back to how i was in the early days i have found myself wanting a few more jobs a day .