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Title: George & GDPR
Post by: premier window cleaners on March 03, 2018, 10:57:31 am
If you’re running George system do you’re  need to do anything about GDPR before may?
Thanks
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: britishwill on March 03, 2018, 11:10:56 am
Very good question even if you don't have George and use another programme. I am looking into it at the mo and will post my findings.
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: Cookie on March 03, 2018, 12:07:29 pm
As far as I understand it there are two categories:
We're only likely to deal with the first of these. GDPR applies to hard copies as well as data stored on disk. You need to work out things like:
Then this needs to be documented. To be honest you're probably doing a lot of this anyway since it's just common sense.

Like all of these new regulations from government & the EU it's all a bit "woolly" and it's a case of whether you can 'prove' you're abiding by the regulations. It'll probably become clearer once companies are taken to court because they are blatantly flouting the rules.
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: dazmond on March 03, 2018, 12:56:29 pm
If you’re running George system do you’re  need to do anything about GDPR before may?
Thanks

whats GDPR?
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: Paul Wisdom on March 03, 2018, 02:26:38 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPwG-MNMuBQ&feature=youtu.be

This is what you will need to do.
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: Cookie on March 03, 2018, 03:10:53 pm
An informative video....

So  for example in my case I use "Roundtracker" spreadsheets which contain customer names, addresses, e-mails and 'phone numbers. I keep the spreadsheets on my laptop which is password protected (only I know the password) & running the latest version of Norton ant-virus, I back them up to an extrenal hard drive (which is also password protected). Any daily work-sheets that I print out which contain customer details I destroy in a cross-cut shredder.

Also posting 'phone/facebook messages from  customers on this forum with the customer's personal details showing would also be a breach of GDPR (& probably current data security & privacy rules).

It all sounds a bit 'geeky' but it is really common sense. I know  a little bit about this stuff since I've been touching on it in another part-time job that I do.

NB: It may cause additional headaches when selling/buying rounds because you're essentially buying/selling customer data....
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: C & S on March 03, 2018, 05:21:49 pm
Overthinking.

Just clean windows and make £.

Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: andyM on March 03, 2018, 05:32:35 pm
I think they would be hard pressed to try and fine me for 20 million Euros. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1520098350_rolleyes.gif)
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: Stoots on March 04, 2018, 06:05:45 pm
If anyone asks I don't have any customer data so I'm alright.
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: Spruce on March 05, 2018, 07:33:09 am
An informative video....

So  for example in my case I use "Roundtracker" spreadsheets which contain customer names, addresses, e-mails and 'phone numbers. I keep the spreadsheets on my laptop which is password protected (only I know the password) & running the latest version of Norton ant-virus, I back them up to an extrenal hard drive (which is also password protected). Any daily work-sheets that I print out which contain customer details I destroy in a cross-cut shredder.

Also posting 'phone/facebook messages from  customers on this forum with the customer's personal details showing would also be a breach of GDPR (& probably current data security & privacy rules).

It all sounds a bit 'geeky' but it is really common sense. I know  a little bit about this stuff since I've been touching on it in another part-time job that I do.

NB: It may cause additional headaches when selling/buying rounds because you're essentially buying/selling customer data....

So would you approach every one of your customers and confirm their acceptance of you storing that data or not Cookie?

I use George. I've got all of my customers names by asking them in the first place, but having to get them to sign a piece of paper granting me permission to hold their names, addresses, telephone numbers and job pricing and history in digital form will be a major task.

George keeps and everlasting file of customer jobs as a history even after they have been listed as completed. As far as I'm aware the only time you can actually delete a customer's job from the system is to delete all the activity on that job first. Do we have to approach these people as well if we want to keep a record of the job history? (We have had a few non payers over the years and as people's appearance can change over time, I would prefer to retain these people's names for my own future reference.)

 On George we can change the name of the customer to "opted out" and remove the telephone number but still retain the job history and price. This keeps the tax recording side straight.

Am I also correct in noting that the British Parliament is still discussing  additional 'nuts and bolts' to this EU regulation so hasn't been passed in law as yet. It obviously agrees with the essence of the EU regulation.
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: Cookie on March 05, 2018, 10:24:06 am
No need for them to confirm acceptance, they've already done that by providing you with their details. No need for signatures etc... either. As far as deletion of their information is concerned I think this is primarily aimed at companies which might retain your data for marketing purposes - so these would be the companies that continually send us unsolicited e-mails/text messages etc... However if you have a non-payer, or even somebody who has used your services in the past few years, I would have thought you have a legitimate right to all or some of their data, besides you might need it if HMRC decide to investigate you... as with all these things it's all pretty "woolly" so I guess in the absence of guidance for each scenario common sense applies.

This will be passed as law since the UK is still part of the EU until Brexit is complete. Who knows when this will be .....

To be honest unless you're a company with over 250 employees there's not a lot to worry about. The main thing for us is just to make sure that your customer data is secure (eg: passcodes/passwords on smartphones/laptops/tablets etc...) which is just common sense anyway.
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: Cookie on March 05, 2018, 10:33:07 am
Just wondering if anyone from George, Cleaner Planner, Aworka etc.. logs on here. It would be interesting to hear their viewpoint.
Title: Re: George & GDPR
Post by: Plankton on March 06, 2018, 06:30:48 pm
Just trying to post an add on FB and it wants a link to my privacy policy!

Anyone got one I can steal?