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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: the king on February 28, 2018, 07:46:05 pm
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im thinking about getting one from varitech does any no the cost as you can haggle them on the price because they charge so much lol bag or resin £89 but if you ask they price match £75 lol , just wandering if they would do the same on heater! i rember reading nwh said £2200 ???
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Why not call some of their distributors? See what discount you can get..... One of them might have a heater in stock they want to move on before the weather becomes warmer.
Is it the Heatwave Thermo 1 you're after? The advertised cost is £3,450 according to the catalogue they sent me through this week (quite pricey IMO).
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Yeah I got 1 too nearly 4 grand I think it said,you can buy that webasto in kit form everything you need with all the exact same items for around £1000-1200.
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Why not call some of their distributors? See what discount you can get..... One of them might have a heater in stock they want to move on before the weather becomes warmer.
Is it the Heatwave Thermo 1 you're after? The advertised cost is £3,450 according to the catalogue they sent me through this week (quite pricey IMO).
yes thats the one im looking at £3,450 defo seems a bit pricey i was wanting to spend like 2k tops realy
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Yeah I got 1 too nearly 4 grand I think it said,you can buy that webasto in kit form everything you need with all the exact same items for around £1000-1200.
that sounds a good price i red u payed £2,200 for yours from varotech
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Remind me........................................the next time somebody bitches on here about their customers haggling on price ;D
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Why not call some of their distributors? See what discount you can get..... One of them might have a heater in stock they want to move on before the weather becomes warmer.
Is it the Heatwave Thermo 1 you're after? The advertised cost is £3,450 according to the catalogue they sent me through this week (quite pricey IMO).
yes thats the one im looking at £3,450 defo seems a bit pricey i was wanting to spend like 2k tops realy
no chance of getting a brand new diesel heater at that price mate,you might get a second hand one.....
dont forget you ll have to get someone to fit it properly (plumbed into your diesel tank) and exhaust through the van floor plus you need 2 decent heavy duty leisure batteries to run it and a split charge relay(or battery to battery smart charger if its a newer van).it all adds up. then theres the dreaded VAT which cost me £750 for everything(heater/batteries/fitting etc).
you wont have much change left out of £4,500 IMO........
NWHs heater that he bought off varitech was 10 years ago.......plus you need the 9.9kw version really mate to make sure you have piping hot water(even if your a one man band)
my frost stat has been getting a good workout the last few days....its -4 here and its kicking in nearly every hour at the moment! ;D
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thanks for the info looks like its a finance chat with varotech ;D
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Remind me........................................the next time somebody bitches on here about their customers haggling on price ;D
there is a big difference between £50 or less shall we say or £4,500 mate ;D
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i may get a long run generator and run a heater off that wile im working lol
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Don't waste your money mate as the diesel heater guys are sitting twiddling their thumbs just like the rest of us,
as for the rest of the year, on the rare occasion where you do get a bit of stubborn bird poo a Gardiner scraper for the uppers and
a run of the mill scraper for the bottoms will more than do.
As Iv said before, some people shouldnt be allowed to have money. lol.
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I’m twiddling my thumbs safety in the knowledge everything is warm and supple in the van, I can remember years ago we had a spell of weather like this I wrapped everything up in the van when I went to check hours later the whole inside of the van was frozen solid. In these temperatures if your cold each day that passes in this cold everything is getting more frozen and more brittle,if your hose reel and pump hasn’t been emptied it will take hours and hours for it to defrost I’ve been there.
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I’m twiddling my thumbs safety in the knowledge everything is warm and supple in the van, I can remember years ago we had a spell of weather like this I wrapped everything up in the van when I went to check hours later the whole inside of the van was frozen solid. In these temperatures if your cold each day that passes in this cold everything is getting more frozen and more brittle,if your hose reel and pump hasn’t been emptied it will take hours and hours for it to defrost I’ve been there.
exactly.....when we have days of freezing weather like this the frost stat feature on these diesel heaters is fantastic.it comes in very handy keeping everything frost/damage free....
i just make sure i keep my batteries on charge and a bit of diesel in the tank....
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I have put my boiler on and will leave it run for a coupleof hours to warm the tank up then it will stay warm inside for a couple of days preventing anything in the van freezing , cheap and easy way of keeping it warm and damage free
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Why is this a pinned post?
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Why is this a pinned post?
What’s a pinned post ???
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I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.
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What’s a pinned post ???
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1519930355_Screenshot_20180301-185105__01.jpg)
Those are pinned posts.
Been sorted now though innit.
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It’s a luxury to have a diesel heater. Not a necessity.
I’m still Going to go for one this year even though all the ribbing that you guys give them. ;D
Anything to make life more comfortable. Even if it is arguable if it provides a better quality, or quicker speed.
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You will then realise it’s not a luxury it’s needed.
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It’s a luxury to have a diesel heater. Not a necessity.
I’m still Going to go for one this year even though all the ribbing that you guys give them. ;D
Anything to make life more comfortable. Even if it is arguable if it provides a better quality, or quicker speed.
you cant beat hot water on demand for window cleaning/add on jobs(and no messing around with gas bottles).you wont regret it jonny.see it as an investment esp if your gonna keep your van for 5 years+......
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You will then realise it’s not a luxury it’s needed.
If its needed then he would already have it, (think of purified water) if he's over cleaning and hot water stops him doing so then
its needed for him, you need to understand the difference.
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I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.
no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......
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It’s a luxury to have a diesel heater. Not a necessity.
I’m still Going to go for one this year even though all the ribbing that you guys give them. ;D
Anything to make life more comfortable. Even if it is arguable if it provides a better quality, or quicker speed.
Yes you can work without it but it makes like soooooo much easier I wouldn’t be without it , I think a lot who slate it haven’t got a clue what it’s like to work with hot , not cheap to buy or run but well worth it in my view , my staff before working for me had only ever used cold and they say how impressed they are with it they thought it wouldn’t make any difference they have said how much easier the working day is with it the only complaint from them is the hose burns there hands when reeling in ,,,, dear of them 😂😂😂😂
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Hotties and Coldies is the new Brexit and Remainers debate ;D
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It’s a luxury to have a diesel heater. Not a necessity.
I’m still Going to go for one this year even though all the ribbing that you guys give them. ;D
Anything to make life more comfortable. Even if it is arguable if it provides a better quality, or quicker speed.
Yes you can work without it but it makes like soooooo much easier I wouldn’t be without it , I think a lot who slate it haven’t got a clue what it’s like to work with hot , not cheap to buy or run but well worth it in my view , my staff before working for me had only ever used cold and they say how impressed they are with it they thought it wouldn’t make any difference they have said how much easier the working day is with it the only complaint from them is the hose burns there hands when reeling in ,,,, dear of them 😂😂😂😂
Dazmond has both praised and slated it, its like additives, ppb, multi jets, heavy bruses or whatever, if it makes you quicker
then its money well spent , that doesnt mean it does anything other than give you the confidence to go quicker.
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I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.
no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......
Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.
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Yawn!
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I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.
no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......
Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.
i was kidding myself mate (after my little accident with my gas heater.)why do you think i ended up buying an expensive diesel heater?because cleaning with hot water is obviously better than cleaning with cold water.easier scrubbing/rinsing,windows dry quicker and supple hoses in winter....as well as not having to think about remembering to put a heater in the back of my van on cold nights...
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I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.
no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......
Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.
i was kidding myself mate (after my little accident with my gas heater.)why do you think i ended up buying an expensive diesel heater?because cleaning with hot water is obviously better than cleaning with cold water.easier scrubbing/rinsing,windows dry quicker and supple hoses in winter....as well as not having to think about remembering to put a heater in the back of my van on cold nights...
You do talk rubbish at times Dazmond.
How many complaints did you get when you stopped using hot ?
How many customers did you lose when you stopped using hot ?
How far did you fall behind when you stopped using hot ?
The thing is for some it does give them the confidence to go quicker but for you its nothing more than a fancy toy to put in
your new van, yes you were kidding yourself and still are.
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I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.
no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......
Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.
i was kidding myself mate (after my little accident with my gas heater.)why do you think i ended up buying an expensive diesel heater?because cleaning with hot water is obviously better than cleaning with cold water.easier scrubbing/rinsing,windows dry quicker and supple hoses in winter....as well as not having to think about remembering to put a heater in the back of my van on cold nights...
You do talk rubbish at times Dazmond.
How many complaints did you get when you stopped using hot ?
How many customers did you lose when you stopped using hot ?
How far did you fall behind when you stopped using hot ?
The thing is for some it does give them the confidence to go quicker but for you its nothing more than a fancy toy to put in
your new van, yes you were kidding yourself and still are.
there is nothing toy about it sean.its an awesome bit of kit and a good tool for cleaning.....
i dont know why you get so angry about it......its obvious hot water cleans easier and to a better standard than cold water.......
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
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I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.
no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......
Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.
i was kidding myself mate (after my little accident with my gas heater.)why do you think i ended up buying an expensive diesel heater?because cleaning with hot water is obviously better than cleaning with cold water.easier scrubbing/rinsing,windows dry quicker and supple hoses in winter....as well as not having to think about remembering to put a heater in the back of my van on cold nights...
You do talk rubbish at times Dazmond.
How many complaints did you get when you stopped using hot ?
How many customers did you lose when you stopped using hot ?
How far did you fall behind when you stopped using hot ?
The thing is for some it does give them the confidence to go quicker but for you its nothing more than a fancy toy to put in
your new van, yes you were kidding yourself and still are.
there is nothing toy about it sean.its an awesome bit of kit and a good tool for cleaning.....
i dont know why you get so angry about it......its obvious hot water cleans easier and to a better standard than cold water.......
I'm not angry Dazmond far from it but when somebody is talking rubbish then I don't think there's a nice way to put it,
I asked you three questions and you cant answer any of them simply because when push comes to shove using hot water has
not made a single difference to your production or quality and you know it.
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From cold to Hot water and i never go back using cold.. has it speed up my work maybe a little . but i didnt invest to make me go faster. first times cleans on windows. dirty Pvc its awesome... cold weather hands nice and warn , minus 3 today . no gloves on. sure you cant beat that, life for living.. yes it cost Thousands to install.. but sure i could be dead tomorrow. my motto enjoy life and if hot water makes my life easy then yes . Hot is the way Forward for me. as for new clients i have got 24 since jan as i have moved to hot.. ask :) any house wife Cold vs Hot for cleaning , they you have the answer, when the housewife hears you chat about using Hot water its a yes right away.. and it you cant afford buying a system or worry about how much to run it per day then something wrong .. look around you every day what you see House house house houses.. every one could be a client on your books ,. get off yer ass knock on doors spend less time on here mouthing about how good is cold water vs Hot water then maybe you gather enough dosh to buy one, sick in the flecking head on here . that guys are saying Hot no better that cold. . cop yer self on ffs, grow a set , rant over
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.
The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?
A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.
If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.
Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.
I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).
I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.
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I’ve got a diesel heater. They’re not a necessity, they’re a comfort. They make working a more pleasant option. They help. They’re not the be all and end all.
You do not need a heater of any description but if you do happen to invest in one you soon realise they’re a great addition to have.
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.
The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?
A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.
If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.
Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.
I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).
I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.
Very well said I have two vans one with hot one with cold the hot van always does more work in less time fact it doesn’t make any difference who is on which van , I have a guy who used to work for himself with cold : when he started working for me he was very sceptical about hot water said not needed not any quicker etc : guess what he now says how little he knew about it using hot Ime talking about proper hot not warm , it’s not cycological it I’d definitely quicker on all cleans especially first cleans , if you doubt it come out with us for the day doing costal work with salt that bad that the windows are opaque we are less than a quarter of the time doing jobs with hot compared to the cold system , seagull poo ever tried to get that of hot glass on a sunny day ? Again hot is less than half the time , plastic cleans on a hot day with cold takes a lot off scrubbing with hot two wipes and it’s off , there are far to many people on hear with opinions on this subject that don’t know what they are talking about , I’ll put out a challenge to anyone come out with us and we will clean identical properties I’ll use hot you use cold no addertives or chemicals I guarantee I’ll do the job in half the time or I’ll pay your travelling expenses anyone fancy that challenge???
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.
The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?
A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.
If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.
Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.
I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).
I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.
Very well said I have two vans one with hot one with cold the hot van always does more work in less time fact it doesn’t make any difference who is on which van , I have a guy who used to work for himself with cold : when he started working for me he was very sceptical about hot water said not needed not any quicker etc : guess what he now says how little he knew about it using hot Ime talking about proper hot not warm , it’s not cycological it I’d definitely quicker on all cleans especially first cleans , if you doubt it come out with us for the day doing costal work with salt that bad that the windows are opaque we are less than a quarter of the time doing jobs with hot compared to the cold system , seagull poo ever tried to get that of hot glass on a sunny day ? Again hot is less than half the time , plastic cleans on a hot day with cold takes a lot off scrubbing with hot two wipes and it’s off , there are far to many people on hear with opinions on this subject that don’t know what they are talking about , I’ll put out a challenge to anyone come out with us and we will clean identical properties I’ll use hot you use cold no addertives or chemicals I guarantee I’ll do the job in half the time or I’ll pay your travelling expenses anyone fancy that challenge???
I think that’s not a fair test . The 1st time anyone cleans a different property it’s going to take them longer anyway , regardless of hot or cold
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Seems even the people who use hot have different views of it some say it's makes them much quicker and some say it's not much quicker ???
Reflections I see where hot water is of good benefit to you and probably a fair bit quicker with working in a coastal town and all the salt on the windows. But i gaurantee if you came to me and cleaned identical houses where it's just the basic monthly dust and grime your not going to do it in half the time that's just nonsence.
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Can’t believe guys are arguing that hot doesn’t clean any better than cold. :o
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Can’t believe guys are arguing that hot doesn’t clean any better than cold. :o
Thats where you guys go wrong, you cant get cleaner than clean so the only argument is does it make the cleaning easier,
if you where getting the same crud on the glass as you would get on a dish plate then the answer would be yes, if your on a rural round and getting large amounts of tree sap on the glass then it may also be yes, same on the coast and so on.
It would be wrong to say that hot doesn't benefit anybody but for a lot of users its nothing more than using a sledge hammer to
crack a nut.
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.
The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?
A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.
If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.
Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.
I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).
I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.
I have used hot water but you certainly dont need to have used it to come to an opinion, if your constantly battling to get crud
of the glass then hot could be a fix if not then its unneccessery, as with most things a bit of common sense can work wonders.
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This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it. I wish you all the best. Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?
Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.
It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot. That pays for it alone.
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.
The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?
A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.
If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.
Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.
I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).
I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.
Very well said I have two vans one with hot one with cold the hot van always does more work in less time fact it doesn’t make any difference who is on which van , I have a guy who used to work for himself with cold : when he started working for me he was very sceptical about hot water said not needed not any quicker etc : guess what he now says how little he knew about it using hot Ime talking about proper hot not warm , it’s not cycological it I’d definitely quicker on all cleans especially first cleans , if you doubt it come out with us for the day doing costal work with salt that bad that the windows are opaque we are less than a quarter of the time doing jobs with hot compared to the cold system , seagull poo ever tried to get that of hot glass on a sunny day ? Again hot is less than half the time , plastic cleans on a hot day with cold takes a lot off scrubbing with hot two wipes and it’s off , there are far to many people on hear with opinions on this subject that don’t know what they are talking about , I’ll put out a challenge to anyone come out with us and we will clean identical properties I’ll use hot you use cold no addertives or chemicals I guarantee I’ll do the job in half the time or I’ll pay your travelling expenses anyone fancy that challenge???
I think that’s not a fair test . The 1st time anyone cleans a different property it’s going to take them longer anyway , regardless of hot or cold
No Ime talking about doing two identical properties with a plastic clean gfs it’s the same for you and I fancy the challenge ??? Half the time
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Seems even the people who use hot have different views of it some say it's makes them much quicker and some say it's not much quicker ???
Reflections I see where hot water is of good benefit to you and probably a fair bit quicker with working in a coastal town and all the salt on the windows. But i gaurantee if you came to me and cleaned identical houses where it's just the basic monthly dust and grime your not going to do it in half the time that's just nonsence.
It’s not nonsense my staff used to say the same untill they started using hot
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
my earnings have been going steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....
the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......
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Seems even the people who use hot have different views of it some say it's makes them much quicker and some say it's not much quicker ???
Reflections I see where hot water is of good benefit to you and probably a fair bit quicker with working in a coastal town and all the salt on the windows. But i gaurantee if you came to me and cleaned identical houses where it's just the basic monthly dust and grime your not going to do it in half the time that's just nonsence.
It’s not nonsense my staff used to say the same untill they started using hot
;D ;D
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This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it. I wish you all the best. Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?
Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.
It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot. That pays for it alone.
Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.
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Making your life more comfortable hands warm on the pole supple hoses etc don’t get talked out of the fact that it actually cleans better because it does. This is not a debate it is fact if you want cleaner frames and glass buy a hot system,I don’t have a hot water system so I can wave my willy I have one because it does a better job the fact that you get th other benefits is just a bonus.
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In my experience cold water cleaning on average dirty glass looks good from the ground but there’s a hell of a lot of guys on here that say they don’t do insides. When I was cold and went in to do insides my heart sometimes used to sink,I’m not saying cold doesn’t do a job because it does with a lot more scrubbing and can be faultless on hydrophilic glass but I want to know I’m using the best possible method to get them clean from the ground and that’s with using hot water. Like I say with cold water they look spotless from the ground until you get up close and see the brush strokes left on the odd dirty patch.
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This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it. I wish you all the best. Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?
Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.
It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot. That pays for it alone.
Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.
Maybe you should go back to trad with all that wasted money on wfp. ;D ;D ;D
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You can’t teach an old dog new tricks my dad used to clean in sections with a blade until he saw me fanning Windows,that’s not how to clean windows he used to say. The amount of times I’d look through the front of a house window only to see him trying the same thing on the backs 😂,hots the same I bet there’s not a cold user that hasn’t been tempted to see what all the fuss is about.
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This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it. I wish you all the best. Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?
Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.
It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot. That pays for it alone.
Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.
Maybe you should go back to trad with all that wasted money on wfp. ;D ;D ;D
I could earn using both methods but I can justify wfp because its a safer method, you cant argue with logic. lol.
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Don’t forget to check your cold work from inside eh might make you think again.
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
my earnings have been going steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....
the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......
That said so have your expenses.
New vans do the same job as an old one, just more reliably. Hot water cleans more efficiently, there is no doubt.
We make choices on what we think is best
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
my earnings have been going steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....
the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......
This shows the typical foolishness when it comes to the logic of hot use,
A three bed semi in most of the UK will be anything from £8 to £15,
Lets take the bottom of £8 price first, at £5000 you will need to clean 625 properties to cover the original cost and roughly
another 150 properties a year to cover yearly running costs.
Lets take the higher price, at £15 you will need to clean 333 properties to cover the original cost and an extra 80 properties a year to cover the extra yearly expenses.
Some people need to read up on the meaning of making your life easier. lol.
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
my earnings have been going steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....
the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......
That said so have your expenses.
New vans do the same job as an old one, just more reliably. Hot water cleans more efficiently, there is no doubt.
We make choices on what we think is best
true but my earnings will be up most probably. ive seen a steady £2,000-£3,000+ increase EVERY year for 8 years now...so 24k a year more than i was earning 8 years ago....and virtually part time hours.....
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Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.
Tris
my earnings have been going steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....
the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......
This shows the typical foolishness when it comes to the logic of hot use,
A three bed semi in most of the UK will be anything from £8 to £15,
Lets take the bottom of £8 price first, at £5000 you will need to clean 625 properties to cover the original cost and roughly
another 150 properties a year to cover yearly running costs.
Lets take the higher price, at £15 you will need to clean 333 properties to cover the original cost and an extra 80 properties a year to cover the extra yearly expenses.
Some people need to read up on the meaning of making your life easier. lol.
moneys not an issue though sean...ive been in this game for 25 years and now earning over double what i was 8 years ago for virtually part time hours.......
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Don’t forget to check your cold work from inside eh might make you think again.
LOL, I remember the traditional guys telling me to the same, obviously you must have listened to them.
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Its what its worth to you. There's no right or wrong. When wfp first became common place hot water systems were pretty much non existent . I'm sure there are plenty of cleaners out there still using cheap glass fiber poles . Still cleans the window the same. Its going to depend on your finances a lot as to wether or not you invest in a diesel hot water system. Personally I get by just fine with cold and can think of better things to spend 5k on that having nothing to do with my working life but if money was not an issue I may think differently and there's nothing wrong with that.
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I had a demo with a hot from ionic in 2004 so they ain’t that new they were for quiet a few years before that too,pleasure to use hot water it gives you a lot more confidence when using it knowing you will get better results. Like I’ve said if all glass was water loving you wouldn’t have anywhere near the problems with cold.
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I had a demo with a hot from ionic in 2004 so they ain’t that new they were for quiet a few years before that too,pleasure to use hot water it gives you a lot more confidence when using it knowing you will get better results. Like I’ve said if all glass was water loving you wouldn’t have anywhere near the problems with cold.
I was just waiting for somebody to say that ::)roll . There were carbon fiber poles then too. But neither were affordable to the masses. Diesel heater systems still aren't now to many sole traders. The question that seems to be being asked is what are people prepared to spend on gear to clean a window. Everybody is going to have a different opinion on that. There is no right or wrong. 10 years from now we will probably all be using hot water and systems will be cheaper and not necessarily diesel ones either.
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Its what its worth to you. There's no right or wrong. When wfp first became common place hot water systems were pretty much non existent . I'm sure there are plenty of cleaners out there still using cheap glass fiber poles . Still cleans the window the same. Its going to depend on your finances a lot as to wether or not you invest in a diesel hot water system. Personally I get by just fine with cold and can think of better things to spend 5k on that having nothing to do with my working life but if money was not an issue I may think differently and there's nothing wrong with that.
well said barry....
ive done it all........running old bangers with ladders tied on when 100% trad,old vans with barrels and trolleys,cold water/hot water......etc....
i wanted a smart decent professional set up after 25 years of window cleaning.it looks good too(esp when working affluent areas)which is where most of my work is based....
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I had a demo with a hot from ionic in 2004 so they ain’t that new they were for quiet a few years before that too,pleasure to use hot water it gives you a lot more confidence when using it knowing you will get better results. Like I’ve said if all glass was water loving you wouldn’t have anywhere near the problems with cold.
Learn how the method works and you wont need silly gimmicks to give you confidence, hydrophobic glass was just another one of those scary ones to watch out for back in the days when we were all wet behind the ears and making it up as we went along, most dont give it a second thought today.
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This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it. I wish you all the best. Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?
Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.
It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot. That pays for it alone.
Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.
Don’t have to justify the cost at all I can easily afford it if I had spent lots of money on it and it wasn’t any good I would say what a waist of money it is don’t buy one , but that’s not the case it is well worth having , like you before I had it I to was very sceptical it’s only when you have it and see how much quicker it is at most types of work that you really appreciate it I have been wfp 11 years and hot wfp 3:5 years knowing what I know now I wish I had gone hot from day one , evan on 4 weekly maintenance cleans it’s quicker especially with bird muck : snail trails , fly dirt etc : is it essential no it’s not is it a far more efficient and quicker yes it is , can someone just starting out afford it probebly not , can an established sole trader afford it yes if you arnt earning at least £200 per day you are doing something drastically wrong and that’s not working hard or a full day , most of the people who buy these hot systems are sole traders not big firms buying many vans , like many things in life untill you try it for your self over a period of time you will only then realise the benefits . I wouldn’t be spending what I am on diesel each week if it doesn’t pay for it’s self Ime In buisness to make money and make a profit and each year this is increasing , been said my others would you want to do the washing up with cold water ? No of course not , would it clean the dishes yes it would eventually but hot is quicker and easier and more pleasant in colder conditions
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
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This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it. I wish you all the best. Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?
Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.
It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot. That pays for it alone.
Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.
Don’t have to justify the cost at all I can easily afford it if I had spent lots of money on it and it wasn’t any good I would say what a waist of money it is don’t buy one , but that’s not the case it is well worth having , like you before I had it I to was very sceptical it’s only when you have it and see how much quicker it is at most types of work that you really appreciate it I have been wfp 11 years and hot wfp 3:5 years knowing what I know now I wish I had gone hot from day one , evan on 4 weekly maintenance cleans it’s quicker especially with bird muck : snail trails , fly dirt etc : is it essential no it’s not is it a far more efficient and quicker yes it is , can someone just starting out afford it probebly not , can an established sole trader afford it yes if you arnt earning at least £200 per day you are doing something drastically wrong and that’s not working hard or a full day , most of the people who buy these hot systems are sole traders not big firms buying many vans , like many things in life untill you try it for your self over a period of time you will only then realise the benefits . I wouldn’t be spending what I am on diesel each week if it doesn’t pay for it’s self Ime In buisness to make money and make a profit and each year this is increasing , been said my others would you want to do the washing up with cold water ? No of course not , would it clean the dishes yes it would eventually but hot is quicker and easier and more pleasant in colder conditions
You make a good point and when I start getting more than a few stubborn bird poo's on the glass weekly or if the glass I clean
starts getting covered in dishes crud then I will be on the phone to the nearest diesel heater supplier asap,
Its your hard earned money and your right to spend it on whatever you want its just comical when you guys try and make it sound like a sensible decision.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
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I got one of those Mexican made heaters and it's a great piece of kit.
I got it from One Heater.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
And sometimes you see what you want to see even when you do have the knowledge. Which is far more baffling.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
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Couldn’t agree with your statement more!
You don’t half post some drivel Sean. I reckon you could confuse a nursery class going through their abc’s because you think there’s a better way to do it.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1520066128_602D26C0-594C-4F91-AF59-73E66BBFFDB4.png)
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
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Couldn’t agree with your statement more!
You don’t half post some drivel Sean. I reckon you could confuse a nursery class going through their abc’s because you think there’s a better way to do it.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1520066128_602D26C0-594C-4F91-AF59-73E66BBFFDB4.png)
You idiot, I'm not taking about cleaning eggs I'm taking about cleaning egg of glass, lol,
Anything that expands and separates when heated will clean better with hot water anything that binds together when heated such as things containing protein will clean better with cold water.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
And sometimes you see what you want to see even when you do have the knowledge. Which is far more baffling.
Leave Dazmond out of this he just has plenty of cash and nothing to do with it.lol.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
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Couldn’t agree with your statement more!
You don’t half post some drivel Sean. I reckon you could confuse a nursery class going through their abc’s because you think there’s a better way to do it.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1520066128_602D26C0-594C-4F91-AF59-73E66BBFFDB4.png)
You idiot, I'm not taking about cleaning eggs I'm taking about cleaning egg of glass, lol,
That’s even more ridiculous! ;D
The same principal applies.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
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Couldn’t agree with your statement more!
You don’t half post some drivel Sean. I reckon you could confuse a nursery class going through their abc’s because you think there’s a better way to do it.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1520066128_602D26C0-594C-4F91-AF59-73E66BBFFDB4.png)
You idiot, I'm not taking about cleaning eggs I'm taking about cleaning egg of glass, lol,
That’s even more ridiculous! ;D
The same principal applies.
Have explained above, look it up if you want but it wont be pleasant reading for you guys. lol.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
Now heres another question, what sounds like ollocks!
Why not put your science to the test sean. Throw two eggs on your windows when the weather improves. Do so on the same pane of glass and leave for say 5 days. Clean one with cold pure and the other with hot pure and come back and report. In the name of science and all of that. You can then proof allus hot water lovers wrong cant you.
Because for us who HAVE used cold and especially ones like me who have years of trad experience behind them, using scrapers and the like, pain stakingly getting baked on egg of the windows. Then upgrading to wfp and still needing something to agitate the egg off the window to then using HOT water to clean the egg off with ease. But you could be right, i guess its just the placebo and we're all idiots
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I've been looking at the Argentinian made ones- the Evv Heater.
They look good value and there's always 'one pair on' sale.
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Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.
Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy, brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.
LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.
how come i can clean dried on egg off an upper window with hot wfp but i have to get my ladders off to scrape the window if using cold wfp?
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
i agree with what your saying but
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better hence we clean carpets useing 250 ° F most of the time not crappy 40
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nathan i used to hate having to get the ladders off to scrape an egged window.now all i have to do is give the window a good soak with hot water,clean another window,then come back and give it a good scrub and rinse and it comes off!magic! :)
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I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.
;D
Yeh, but they've got to justify spending the thousands on their diesel heaters and don't want to look daft; even to themselves. ;D
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better
what a stupid question susan?we re window cleaners not scientists!
at the end of the day hot water cleans easier,faster and better than cold water.thats all we need to know.
who really gives a s*** about molecules moving faster etc......it works! ;D
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nathan i used to hate having to get the ladders off to scrape an egged window.now all i have to do is give the window a good soak with hot water,clean another window,then come back and give it a good scrub and rinse and it comes off!magic! :)
Wet it, turn the brush to a slight angle, and use the edge to scrape off the bird poo.
Even Wor Lass, who is Welsh, can do it.
That'll be a tenner for the info.
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nathan i used to hate having to get the ladders off to scrape an egged window.now all i have to do is give the window a good soak with hot water,clean another window,then come back and give it a good scrub and rinse and it comes off!magic! :)
Wet it, turn the brush to a slight angle, and use the edge to scrape off the bird poo.
Even Wor Lass, who is Welsh, can do it.
That'll be a tenner for the info.
still doesnt work mate...even using a gardiners scraper will take ages with cold water....
we re talking about DRIED ON EGG ....not bird muck mate... ;)
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works or did he just say " it works better because i said so " thats kind of stupid dont you think ?
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better
what a stupid question susan?we re window cleaners not scientists!
at the end of the day hot water cleans easier,faster and better than cold water.thats all we need to know.
who really gives a s*** about molecules moving faster etc......it works! ;D
why is it stupid ? surly spending 5k and not knowing why is works better is stupid ? or did you just buy it because you read it on here ? surly as you were handing 5000 pounds over the supplier give you a reason why its better ?
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better
what a stupid question susan?we re window cleaners not scientists!
at the end of the day hot water cleans easier,faster and better than cold water.thats all we need to know.
who really gives a s*** about molecules moving faster etc......it works! ;D
why is it stupid ? surly spending 5k and not knowing why is works better is stupid ? or did you just buy it because you red it on here ?
because id used hot water previously before susan.........(gas heaters)had some trouble and nearly set my new van on fire(gas leak) then tried to convince myself that cold water window cleaning was just as good......its not......
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I've been looking at the Argentinian made ones- the Evv Heater.
They look good value and there's always 'one pair on' sale.
I was going to order one but I had a bad experience with some corned beef tin keys that I imported.
So I chose Freedom. Running around trying everything new. But nothing impressed me at all. I never expected it to.
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
i agree with what your saying but
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better hence we clean carpets useing 250 ° F most of the time not crappy 40
47 mph an hour faster.
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Really? Some very daft comments on here.
How many times do things need to be explained?
If you're happy with cold then stay cold, and focus on you're own business.
Why does every hot water post turn into a debate??????
Reminds me of the trad vs wfp debates back in the day.
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better
what a stupid question susan?we re window cleaners not scientists!
at the end of the day hot water cleans easier,faster and better than cold water.thats all we need to know.
who really gives a s*** about molecules moving faster etc......it works! ;D
why is it stupid ? surly spending 5k and not knowing why is works better is stupid ? or did you just buy it because you red it on here ?
because id used hot water previously before susan.........(gas heaters)had some trouble and nearly set my new van on fire(gas leak) then tried to convince myself that cold water window cleaning was just as good......its not......
the science behind it is that the molecules in the water move faster when heated giving the water faster movement when hitting the glass i.e. more subbing power hence the better clean
i guess there will be some point where coldwater will be the same as hot (i.e. moving speed ) but this could mean running 400 psi pump on the windows which is unusable would be good to see a company like grippa to show us the stats on there research
my point is not to have go at people with hot water more to the point of them that dont theses been millions of pounds worth of research spent in the carpet cleaning world on why hot is best yet the know it all window cleaners still say they know better
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better
what a stupid question susan?we re window cleaners not scientists!
at the end of the day hot water cleans easier,faster and better than cold water.thats all we need to know.
who really gives a s*** about molecules moving faster etc......it works! ;D
why is it stupid ? surly spending 5k and not knowing why is works better is stupid ? or did you just buy it because you red it on here ?
because id used hot water previously before susan.........(gas heaters)had some trouble and nearly set my new van on fire(gas leak) then tried to convince myself that cold water window cleaning was just as good......its not......
the science behind it is that the molecules in the water move faster when heated giving the water faster movement when hitting the glass i.e. more subbing power hence the better clean
i guess there will be some point where coldwater will be the same as hot (i.e. moving speed ) but this could mean running 400 psi pump on the windows which is unusable would be good to see a company like grippa to show us the stats on there research
my point is not to have go at people with hot water more to the point of them that dont theses been millions of pounds worth of research spent in the carpet cleaning world on why hot is best yet the know it all window cleaners still say they know better
errr.....you ve lost me there susan...... ;D
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i use gas set up, i was cold for a long time then went 2 years hot with my gas heater set up a few times this year i went back to cold just to see how i got on and it was a nite mare , bird cxxxp was taking to long to get off and fly cxxxxp was just not shifting , so my view is hot is beta for me working in my area on the coast, if i was inland working on a 4 weekly cleaning then hot would just be a luxury , but on the coast working on a 7 weekly its a must have you save on water as your cleaning quicker its that simple realy ,if any one once to trial hot just to see then a £200 gas set up is worth a punt if its then not for you its not a huge waste of money
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Really? Some very daft comments on here.
How many times do things need to be explained?
If you're happy with cold then stay cold, and focus on you're own business.
Why does every hot water post turn into a debate??????
Reminds me of the trad vs wfp debates back in the day.
I remember them well, there's no way water on its own could possibly clean anything properly, lol.
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Really? Some very daft comments on here.
How many times do things need to be explained?
If you're happy with cold then stay cold, and focus on you're own business.
Why does every hot water post turn into a debate??????
Reminds me of the trad vs wfp debates back in the day.
I remember them well, there's no way water on its own could possibly clean anything properly, lol.
;D ;D ;D
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
i agree with what your saying but
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better hence we clean carpets useing 250 ° F most of the time not crappy 40
That'd be steam though, wouldn't it?
That could be the next revolution in window cleaning. Better cleaning properties and lighter to carry around.
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nathan i used to hate having to get the ladders off to scrape an egged window.now all i have to do is give the window a good soak with hot water,clean another window,then come back and give it a good scrub and rinse and it comes off!magic! :)
Wet it, turn the brush to a slight angle, and use the edge to scrape off the bird poo.
Even Wor Lass, who is Welsh, can do it.
That'll be a tenner for the info.
If it's a Welsh one you're after, I recommend the Catherine's Heater. Jones do them.
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feck sake were still chatting how good hot over cold.. spending over 5 grand if the person has the money to spend what odd how much he spends, its not your money. if your happy with cold then i wont tell you to change . if you hot then work away... its looks like some on here just like to rant. where do you find the time to rant on here in first place. there more to life than some guy spending his cash on hot system. next thing will be .. your spend too much on a car . i got my car cheaper :)
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nathan i used to hate having to get the ladders off to scrape an egged window.now all i have to do is give the window a good soak with hot water,clean another window,then come back and give it a good scrub and rinse and it comes off!magic! :)
Wet it, turn the brush to a slight angle, and use the edge to scrape off the bird poo.
Even Wor Lass, who is Welsh, can do it.
That'll be a tenner for the info.
If it's a Welsh one you're after, I recommend the Catherine's Heater. Jones do them.
That's atrocious! Where do you get them from ;)
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Hot water rules!!
😜😜😂😂😂😂
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all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search behind it and how it works
Exactly so you don’t need me to explain it to you you already new the answer 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times
i agree with what your saying but
could you tell me how much faster the molecules are moving in your hot water set up now compared the your old cold water set up ? as its the faster rate these molecules move that make it better due to molecules moving faster when heated ? this is a proven fact and why hot works better hence we clean carpets useing 250 ° F most of the time not crappy 40
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Luke warm water rules!!
😜😜😂😂😂😂
Fixed that for you, lol.
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;D ;D
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You can’t polish a terd some people will never listen I give up trying to convince people hot is better I think most people that disagree that hot is better are just on the wind up.
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You can’t polish a terd some people will never listen I give up trying to convince people hot is better I think most people that disagree that hot is better are just on the wind up.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1520153487_c1.jpg)
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nathan i used to hate having to get the ladders off to scrape an egged window.now all i have to do is give the window a good soak with hot water,clean another window,then come back and give it a good scrub and rinse and it comes off!magic! :)
Wet it, turn the brush to a slight angle, and use the edge to scrape off the bird poo.
Even Wor Lass, who is Welsh, can do it.
That'll be a tenner for the info.
If it's a Welsh one you're after, I recommend the Catherine's Heater. Jones do them.
That's atrocious! Where do you get them from ;)
I know :D.
It's an annoying thing I do; I can't help myself.
There were two more in there too. Mexican One Heater and Argentine Evv Heater? I won't mention 'one pair on' sale.
My head is full of useless stuff :).
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Noooo, I’ve just worked those other two out ;D ;D
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I want some of what Griff's on!! ;D