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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: nathankaye on February 26, 2018, 01:43:48 pm
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Got talking to this chap n his boss. Doing first cleans on a new building site for the builder and we were saying how stupid the design is for cleaning windows. (see other post)
Hes from Osset way and so he says he has 800customers that way and we got talking online payments etc, he dont seem too convinced by it.
But then he was telling me to put flyers round here but i said i werent interested as most dont want to pay as they get hit by the cheap brigade first.
Then he said something i had to bite my tongue on.
He said because hes trad he charges only £6 a house!!
(yes ive had some houses at 7 but they are front cleans not a full house.)
But why does he feel that he should charge low being trad because ofnot using wfp? If anything it should be more expensive. If a customer really wants me to use trad, i would charge 50% more than wfp.
What about you guys
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It doesn't bother me. I focus on quality and value for money over cheap prices any day. If a customer wants to put price first then they're not the rigtht client for me. Totally different market.
His dislike to online payments says it all. Must be a cash only chap.
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I work in osset and yes these prices are everywhere.
If he and another lad are doing 800 a month at £6 average that's £4800 a month
Or £2400 each. Which isn't bad if they are only declaring £1000 each, which being cash only will probably be the case.
Obviously these types make it hard to charge a good wedge, unfortunately in Yorkshire they are rife.
Not much you can do really. I'd rather clean 20 houses a day wfp rather than 40 trad and not collect even if I'm a bit worse off declaring it.
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Who was the guy on here last week who hadnt been paid £25 for 5 cleans ? you know the one I'm thinking off, filled his round to
the rafters with cheap work and then set a minimum price when he had nothing to lose.
Tends to lecture on the importance of confident pricing. lol.
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It doesn't bother me. I focus on quality and value for money over cheap prices any day. If a customer wants to put price first then they're not the rigtht client for me. Totally different market.
His dislike to online payments says it all. Must be a cash only chap.
Spot on I’m the same, I learnt over the years to work smart not work harder!
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Who was the guy on here last week who hadnt been paid £25 for 5 cleans ? you know the one I'm thinking off, filled his round to
the rafters with cheap work and then set a minimum price when he had nothing to lose.
Tends to lecture on the importance of confident pricing. lol.
Was it the same chap who put some ofhis old prices up by a minimum of five quid to fetch them to the up to date prices he has!
Or the same chap who gets new customers to sign up to go cardless.
Or even the same chap who came to his senses on pricing and implemented imediate change.
Yep, i think it is ;D
But the point was, why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!? The thread isnt necessarily about how much
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...Or even why would you trad houses at all?
Investing in wfp was the best thing I ever did work wise. Don't think I'd be window cleaning now without it.
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I wouldn't read to much into what the guy said. You could have a wfp windy saying next week I charge less because I'm quicker and then the topic would be surely you should be more as your overheads are higher and it does a better job.
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Why do you care? Crack on and take care of your own interests.
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Who was the guy on here last week who hadnt been paid £25 for 5 cleans ? you know the one I'm thinking off, filled his round to
the rafters with cheap work and then set a minimum price when he had nothing to lose.
Tends to lecture on the importance of confident pricing. lol.
Was it the same chap who put some ofhis old prices up by a minimum of five quid to fetch them to the up to date prices he has!
Or the same chap who gets new customers to sign up to go cardless.
Or even the same chap who came to his senses on pricing and implemented imediate change.
Yep, i think it is ;D
But the point was, why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!? The thread isnt necessarily about how much
The answer has to be wfp overheads, they are by far and away higher than when traditional.
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Got talking to this chap n his boss. Doing first cleans on a new building site for the builder and we were saying how stupid the design is for cleaning windows. (see other post)
Hes from Osset way and so he says he has 800customers that way and we got talking online payments etc, he dont seem too convinced by it.
But then he was telling me to put flyers round here but i said i werent interested as most dont want to pay as they get hit by the cheap brigade first.
Then he said something i had to bite my tongue on.
He said because hes trad he charges only £6 a house!!
(yes ive had some houses at 7 but they are front cleans not a full house.)
But why does he feel that he should charge low being trad because ofnot using wfp? If anything it should be more expensive. If a customer really wants me to use trad, i would charge 50% more than wfp.
What about you guys
Are you Inspector Clouseau?
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...Or even why would you trad houses at all?
Investing in wfp was the best thing I ever did work wise. Don't think I'd be window cleaning now without it.
Same here!! Totally agree with you there Simon
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But the point was, why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!? The thread isnt necessarily about how much
When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................
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But the point was, why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!? The thread isnt necessarily about how much
When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................
How would you value a trad run that has hundreds of compact customers but with the lower prices mentioned above?
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But the point was, why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!? The thread isnt necessarily about how much
When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................
How would you value a trad run that has hundreds of compact customers but with the lower prices mentioned above?
I wouldn't value buying any work. The idea of laying out even a thousand pound for a run, then working it for no wage just to get your money back before you even turn a profit from it seems nuts to me, but each to their own. And then maybe have to go collecting on a Friday evening or summat ? I'd sooner curl one off and stick me finger in it and have a taste.
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But the point was, why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!? The thread isnt necessarily about how much
When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................
How would you value a trad run that has hundreds of compact customers but with the lower prices mentioned above?
I would still be asking why so low a price?
One chap near me wont put his prices up as he fears competition (his words not mine) and so he purposely keeps them low. But lets say he doubles his prices (which they need to be) and he loses half his round to competition, which he wont! But for arguement sake he does. Hes cleaning less houses for same money! So its still a win, win.
But lets say he hardly loses any work. Hes doubled his income and so doesnt need to take any more work on and no extra effort is needed.
So why work for lower, than the prices that i said.... It doesnt make sense. Even if it is a compact round
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But the point was, why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!? The thread isnt necessarily about how much
When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................
How would you value a trad run that has hundreds of compact customers but with the lower prices mentioned above?
I would still be asking why so low a price?
One chap near me wont put his prices up as he fears competition (his words not mine) and so he purposely keeps them low. But lets say he doubles his prices (which they need to be) and he loses half his round to competition, which he wont! But for arguement sake he does. Hes cleaning less houses for same money! So its still a win, win.
But lets say he hardly loses any work. Hes doubled his income and so doesnt need to take any more work on and no extra effort is needed.
So why work for lower, than the prices that i said.... It doesnt make sense. Even if it is a compact round
I agree with that but would you gamble a good few grand on a run like that knowing the pros and cons.
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Busy fool, just run himself into the ground, leave him to it, just concentrate on your own work.
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...Or even why would you trad houses at all?
Investing in wfp was the best thing I ever did work wise. Don't think I'd be window cleaning now without it.
im wfp and use it most of the time , but doing builders cleans you need to trad them as they need scraping
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Someone acquired one of my jobs because they will do the insides. I'm not worried as I can't stand doing insides apart from a factory I clean regularly. Slows my routine down too much, I wouldn't even do them for double the money as I can earn double the money doing outsides so why bother with the inconvenience of breaking a routine run of work just to try and catch somebody in to clean the insides. Don't even do guttering, but love doing solar panels, get plenty of them
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I wouldn't even do them for double the money as I can earn double the money doing outsides so why bother
I'm keeping this ...... ;D ;D
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Someone acquired one of my jobs because they will do the insides. I'm not worried as I can't stand doing insides apart from a factory I clean regularly. Slows my routine down too much, I wouldn't even do them for double the money as I can earn double the money doing outsides so why bother with the inconvenience of breaking a routine run of work just to try and catch somebody in to clean the insides. Don't even do guttering, but love doing solar panels, get plenty of them
Talk us through this mate as its doing my head in... its probably just me being a bit thick. Lets say a house is a tenner, or twenty quid...makes no odds... lets just use 1.0 as the formula.. a house = 1. If you wouldn't do it(insides) for double, which would be 1x2= 2 , thats fine. But if you earn double anyway doing outsides then that means you're earning "2" ? So the initial double can't be right can it ? Somethings wrong with your equasion................
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Some guys would clean internal windows for one and a half times the value of cleaning the outsides. Personally I wouldn't clean the insides for twice the price of cleaning the outsides. In the time you've cleaned the insides on most jobs, (even when asked to clear the sills prior to internal clean), with all the faffing around, you could have easily cleaned twice as many external windows. Internal jobs aren't regular with most customers and you have to arrange a day and convenient time to be there for access. If anything goes missing or is misplaced who gets the blame, not worth it for the inconvenience or financial side of things
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Some guys would clean internal windows for one and a half times the value of cleaning the outsides. Personally I wouldn't clean the insides for twice the price of cleaning the outsides. In the time you've cleaned the insides on most jobs, (even when asked to clear the sills prior to internal clean), with all the faffing around, you could have easily cleaned twice as many external windows. Internal jobs aren't regular with most customers and you have to arrange a day and convenient time to be there for access. If anything goes missing or is misplaced who gets the blame, not worth it for the inconvenience or financial side of things
You know what? I'm not gonna disagree with a word you said (mostly).
But here's a question for you................. you won't do insides... they ring round, find me and i will.... your take will be.. well i do what i do and i've got plenty of work.. you're welcome to it buddy, go knock yourself out..... ?
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Some guys would clean internal windows for one and a half times the value of cleaning the outsides. Personally I wouldn't clean the insides for twice the price of cleaning the outsides. In the time you've cleaned the insides on most jobs, (even when asked to clear the sills prior to internal clean), with all the faffing around, you could have easily cleaned twice as many external windows. Internal jobs aren't regular with most customers and you have to arrange a day and convenient time to be there for access. If anything goes missing or is misplaced who gets the blame, not worth it for the inconvenience or financial side of things
You know what? I'm not gonna disagree with a word you said (mostly).
But here's a question for you................. you won't do insides... they ring round, find me and i will.... your take will be.. well i do what i do and i've got plenty of work.. you're welcome to it buddy, go knock yourself out..... ?
Fill your boots, whatever floats your boat
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I price a large four bedroom house today, I kept it low as I new they were getting several quotes. I priced it at £30 outside only every other month, I got a text earlier to say another cleaner is doing inside and out for £25!!!! Why do they price so low? It's crazy, he would have still got the job at double his quote!!!