Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on February 08, 2018, 09:36:11 pm
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Let the hate begin.
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How many vans is that Lee?
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well done you
do you want a medal ;)
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No wages?
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cool.
whats the end goal turnover wise?
1 million? or no limit in mind?
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How many vans is that Lee?
we have 11 but they are not all out. Our goal this year is to have them all out giving a monthly turnover of about £65k
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No wages?
We dont use the accounting side of cleaner planner, so no expenses are entered
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How many vans is that Lee?
we have 11 but they are not all out. Our goal this year is to have them all out giving a monthly turnover of about £65k
Do your figures include tha VAt charged?
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How many vans is that Lee?
we have 11 but they are not all out. Our goal this year is to have them all out giving a monthly turnover of about £65k
Do your figures include tha VAt charged?
yes
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cool.
whats the end goal turnover wise?
1 million? or no limit in mind?
To be honest I have nearly had enough. The stress and expense is high. This will be the last year of real growth for us. We plan to deliver another 1million lealfets this year and will top out at £800k.
After that I need a rest for a few years. I might set up another base and replicate the first one but I think that will take an investment of around £350k and 3 years of my time to build, I would have to move house to live near that base during that time ect. It might not happen.
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I'd be interested in some thoughts on the difference between selling a round and selling a business if there even is one.
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I'd be interested in some thoughts on the difference between selling a round and selling a business if there even is one.
I dont understand this?
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Well done
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From your earlier post I think the impression was you will sell up and start again
Darran
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From your earlier post I think the impression was you will sell up and start again
Darran
Ah I see.
No I would not sell. Ticking along and earning is one thing. The forced and rapid growth is the part ive had enough of.
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Also on another post it is claimed that there is a difference between a window cleaning round and a window cleaning business. (not related to you) Hence someone is wanting more for the work than the average going price for the areas.
As I wondered if you would sell at some point I was interested in the selling valuation or % per annum between a small business and a large or in your case a very large window cleaning business.
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Also on another post it is claimed that there is a difference between a window cleaning round and a window cleaning business. (not related to you) Hence someone is wanting more for the work than the average going price for the areas.
As I wondered if you would sell at some point I was interested in the selling valuation or % per annum between a small business and a large or in your case a very large window cleaning business.
I see.
Well my opinion would be selling a round is selling a customer base. Selling a "business" would be the customer base plus all the assets of the company, vans, premises, equipment ect and it is then still run under the same name by someone else.
The general rule for selling any business is 3-5 times the anual profit plus the asset value. Sale price should not be based on turnover as it always seems to be in window cleaning.
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Well done lee.
Makes my push for 80k a small laugh.
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Well done lee.
Makes my push for 80k a small laugh.
Course not. Just proves to you its there if you want it enough.
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Out goes Solar Ste, in rolls Pryor ::)roll
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Out goes Solar Ste, in rolls Pryor ::)roll
Twins , separated at birth i reckon ;D ;D ;D
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I had to smile at Lee's screenshot after recent events on here with Steve - specifically the bit that reads "solar panels £0.00" :)
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Well IMHO Lee answers questions from forum members so no problem in this corner of 100 acre wood.
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What's the profit on that, after absolutely every expense involved?
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The difficulty must be deciding when to stop Lee.
I mean you obviously have a formula for growth, invest a large chunk of profit or most if it into leaflets every year and increase your turnover.
It's only when you stop advertising for growth that you can actually keep the profits for yourself.
It must be quite difficult to decide when that point will come, I would be torn between keeping going just to see how far I can go or pulling the plug and saying enough is enough I'm happy with 100k a year takehome (example).
I mean as a business owner if you can build a business that runs itself, how much do you need as a passive income £40k, £400k, £4m?
I suppose you ultimately have to decide what kind of life you want to live.
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The bad debts list is nice and low considering your monthly turnover.
I have to say lee, and i say this again and again. Its your posts that have motivated me to move my business forward. And seeing your VANs about has given me a proverbial KUTA
Saw one of your vans in Old Woking the other month, stopped to have a chat with one of your guys, he used to live with you for a while? I dunno anyway he looked quite happy so you must be doing something right. You did a large leaflet drop in Horsell last time, I actually picked up custom from your leaflet drop! I have alot of custom in Horsell.
Anyway keep well, and dont overdo it lee.
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Nice one Lee.
If you have a van spare, why not stick a pressure washing / soft washing set up in it. Could be a nice little earner for not much outlay; especially as you already have the customer base. Good time of the year too.
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turnovers vanity,profit is sanity....
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Out goes Solar Ste, in rolls Pryor ::)roll
did you not know its the same person? ;D ;D
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The difficulty must be deciding when to stop Lee.
I mean you obviously have a formula for growth, invest a large chunk of profit or most if it into leaflets every year and increase your turnover.
It's only when you stop advertising for growth that you can actually keep the profits for yourself.
It must be quite difficult to decide when that point will come, I would be torn between keeping going just to see how far I can go or pulling the plug and saying enough is enough I'm happy with 100k a year takehome (example).
I mean as a business owner if you can build a business that runs itself, how much do you need as a passive income £40k, £400k, £4m?
I suppose you ultimately have to decide what kind of life you want to live.
No I answerded this question earlier in the thread. We will stop at the end of this year when we have our final vans out and are hitting £65k a month
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Nice one Lee.
If you have a van spare, why not stick a pressure washing / soft washing set up in it. Could be a nice little earner for not much outlay; especially as you already have the customer base. Good time of the year too.
We used to do pressure washing but dropped it a few years ago. We still have all the kit, I might bring it back.
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If profit is around 40% - 50% it's worth the stress and hassle, maybe.
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Lee, what do you see yourself doing in 15 years?
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If profit is around 40% - 50% it's worth the stress and hassle, maybe.
No where near that much! Iwish!
When we hit our target of £65k a month the pre tax (corporation and income tax) profit will be £18k a month
So thats a yearly profit of £216k or £173k after corporation tax left for me to take as dividend. Roughly £10k a month take home after personal tax on the dividend. Im happy with that and the part time hours i work.
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Lee, what do you see yourself doing in 15 years?
In a few years I plan to either set up another base and try to double the business or set up a completely different business. I have a few ideas for something else at the moment.
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lee what made you take your first helper on, were you just a sole trader trying to grow your bussiness up and you started to get more customers for you to keep up with. , i myself are starting to overload with customers, , but the hasstle of everything which is involved with employing someone and all the employment laws etc put me off. Sickness & hollidays etc Maybe i just like my own way of doing things
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Lee.
Wouldn't mind a chat, I could use your help.
Email me.
You know, if you want.
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lee what made you take your first helper on, were you just a sole trader trying to grow your bussiness up and you started to get more customers for you to keep up with. , i myself are starting to overload with customers, , but the hasstle of everything which is involved with employing someone and all the employment laws etc put me off. Sickness & hollidays etc Maybe i just like my own way of doing things
Yes I started from scratch on my own and was trad for the first 2 years.
I just never reached the point where I wanted to stop growing, it was fun and I liked earning more money. That was one reason and the other main reason was that I didnt want to be the person generating the money each day. I didnt want to do manual labour my whole life in case of sickness or injury.
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If profit is around 40% - 50% it's worth the stress and hassle, maybe.
No where near that much! Iwish!
When we hit our target of £65k a month the pre tax (corporation and income tax) profit will be £18k a month
So thats a yearly profit of £216k or £173k after corporation tax left for me to take as dividend. Roughly £10k a month take home after personal tax on the dividend. Im happy with that and the part time hours i work.
Thats just about spot on lee.
So your business cost per van is around £4k per month Including building rental and insurances etc.
Thats exacly how i envisaged it.
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Lee, what do you see yourself doing in 15 years?
In a few years I plan to either set up another base and try to double the business or set up a completely different business. I have a few ideas for something else at the moment.
Thankyou.
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Thanks for the chat Lee, sorry I had to cut it short, a wee bit manic here at the moment.
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Good post this! Its always good to hear about success stories plus for me personally it gives me the extra motivation to continue growing my business!
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i always follow your posts and presumed you were smashing it. 11 vans and your turnover is 50 k. Either the girls in the office need sorting or your workers on the round are taking the pee. All that stress and so many staff, customers to oversee and it sounds like at the moment your not making much more than some of the one man bands on here. How can you have empty vans on the drive getting dusty, and staff in the office with access to probably 3000 plus recurring customers to up sell gutters, facias, pressure washing roof cleaning etc. sounds like a guys target is about 200 notes a day.It may be ok for a one man band who has to look after everything but everything is in place for these lads.
if you need a chat let me know, i do charge for this service though
regards
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i always follow your posts and presumed you were smashing it. 11 vans and your turnover is 50 k. Either the girls in the office need sorting or your workers on the round are taking the pee. All that stress and so many staff, customers to oversee and it sounds like at the moment your not making much more than some of the one man bands on here. How can you have empty vans on the drive getting dusty, and staff in the office with access to probably 3000 plus recurring customers to up sell gutters, facias, pressure washing roof cleaning etc. sounds like a guys target is about 200 notes a day.It may be ok for a one man band who has to look after everything but everything is in place for these lads.
if you need a chat let me know, i do charge for this service though
regards
Now you didnt read my posts properly.
I clearly said we do not have all our vans out, when we do our monthly will be £65k which is our goal this year. As for the rest yes of course we are on the phone selling other services.
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well done Lee
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
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Can we have a dislike button?
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Let the hate begin.
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What is "bad debt" , outstanding money or written off money?
What is "expenses" ? Fuel ?
I've never seen that cleaner planner before so not sure if its crap or you're not putting in all the details. Not sure how its coming up with them "profits" , but one things for sure them stated "profits" will not be your actual accounting return. Its slighly meaningless without a lot more detail. Pretty impressive turnover though, but thats about the extent of it.
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
Your still not getting it!!!!!
WE DONT HAVE 11 VANS WORKING! They are not all out doing £200 a day.! We have 3 to go out this year, everyone else is maxed out right now.
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Let the hate begin.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1518125629_reportsjan2018.jpg)
What is "bad debt" , outstanding money or written off money?
What is "expenses" ? Fuel ?
I've never seen that cleaner planner before so not sure if its crap or you're not putting in all the details. Not sure how its coming up with them "profits" , but one things for sure them stated "profits" will not be your actual accounting return. Its slighly meaningless without a lot more detail. Pretty impressive turnover though, but thats about the extent of it.
Again not reading the previous posts which answer this.
We do not use cleaner planner for accounting or expenses., so no that is not profit.
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Especially your last 2 sentences. Now re think your coments based on us cleaning with 8 vans out right now and marketing starting in april to get our last 3 out this summer. Once again when they are all out we will be at £65-£70k a month and I will take home the 10 previously mentioned. You feel sorry for me???
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Especially your last 2 sentences. Now re think your coments based on us cleaning with 8 vans out right now and marketing starting in april to get our last 3 out this summer. Once again when they are all out we will be at £65-£70k a month and I will take home the 10 previously mentioned. You feel sorry for me???
£10k take home for all that work isn't that amazing though tbh.
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Especially your last 2 sentences. Now re think your coments based on us cleaning with 8 vans out right now and marketing starting in april to get our last 3 out this summer. Once again when they are all out we will be at £65-£70k a month and I will take home the 10 previously mentioned. You feel sorry for me???
£10k take home for all that work isn't that amazing though tbh.
I agree.
120k per year take-home from 800k turnover doesn't seem that great when you think how much work is involved in getting there.
Domestic Window cleaning just doesn't scale that well.
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Lee, how long have you had the three vans surplus to requirement or have you not taken delivery of them yet?
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Especially your last 2 sentences. Now re think your coments based on us cleaning with 8 vans out right now and marketing starting in april to get our last 3 out this summer. Once again when they are all out we will be at £65-£70k a month and I will take home the 10 previously mentioned. You feel sorry for me???
£10k take home for all that work isn't that amazing though tbh.
Ahh, 10k a month would keep me happy.
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10k. After tax per month? Not good?
Are you lot serious?
10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.
Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.
Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Especially your last 2 sentences. Now re think your coments based on us cleaning with 8 vans out right now and marketing starting in april to get our last 3 out this summer. Once again when they are all out we will be at £65-£70k a month and I will take home the 10 previously mentioned. You feel sorry for me???
£10k take home for all that work isn't that amazing though tbh.
I agree.
120k per year take-home from 800k turnover doesn't seem that great when you think how much work is involved in getting there.
Domestic Window cleaning just doesn't scale that well.
But surely the point is that once you have reached it and allow the business to plateau for a while, it becomes much easier. The work done in the past to get there is precisely that - in the past.
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Don't get me wrong, £10k a month is a good wage. But for me from £800k a year turnover I would want/expect more than that.
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10k. After tax per month? Not good?
Are you lot serious?
10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.
Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.
Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.
Anyone would have to do quite a lot for it still. The stress may be a bit less but it wouldn't be gone. When its yours, everything stops with you. Hence why I personally would want to see more than £10k from £800k.
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Lee
Have you 3000 custies?
If you could sell pressure washing to 15% - 450
at an average of £250 a pop
That’s £112,500
As you’ve got the van and the gear...get on it!
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10k. After tax per month? Not good?
Are you lot serious?
10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.
Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.
Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.
Anyone would have to do quite a lot for it still. The stress may be a bit less but it wouldn't be gone. When its yours, everything stops with you. Hence why I personally would want to see more than £10k from £800k.
To compare £10k and £800k is a tad misleading because you are looking at different timescales. More accurate to compare £120k with £800k or £10k with £66.6k
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10k. After tax per month? Not good?
Are you lot serious?
10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.
Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.
Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.
Anyone would have to do quite a lot for it still. The stress may be a bit less but it wouldn't be gone. When its yours, everything stops with you. Hence why I personally would want to see more than £10k from £800k.
To compare £10k and £800k is a tad misleading because you are looking at different timescales. More accurate to compare £120k with £800k or £10k with £66.6k
That's true. So £800k minus £680k in costs and tax.
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i am not bickering with you Lee its an observation on a post you made on a forum. Your profit should be higher for what you have in place. So you have sold your house to buy vans to sit on a drive gathering dust :o You have 3 vans sitting there and yet you cant fill them with work but a bucket load of customers to up sell to. The data you put up shows your gutters etc as a add on service is so low the person is charge of the up selling needs the boot. I mentioned that i feel sorry for you because you say your so stressed and yet gearing up for more stress trying fill 3 vans. Id be intrigued to know your current take home and the current sacrifice you have had to make to get to a position where your stressed.
as for the money you need to generate another 15 k a month to hopefully make 10 k a month including the already half a mill turnover. You need your head wobbling.
marc im only observing on his posts. If he gets his head out of his bum he will see everything i have put is always positive when following his posts. As far as a numpty goes in business i do alright. give us a twinkle if you would like a few tips pal as i see your pretty new to the game.
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Surely at that size of turnover with such low profit franchising has to be the best route?
11 Franchisees doing about £72k a year each. You'd make a shed load from each initial fee with that offer. Probably enough to get back half what was spent investing.
Charging 22% royalty will bring in £176k before tax and expenses.
No more employee headaches. No more van maintenance. No more a lot of things.
That's the model whereby you are a lot less involved in running a business.
Hell I might even sell my house and put in all the £500k into my business! Plus my mum makes a wicked roast and my Dad always has beer in the fridge. Mrs might not be too happy though.
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AshBash.
Whats your company called? Im guessing your a big player with your sound advice with upselling etc?
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hi mick doesnt matter how much of a big player you are. Im already where this guys wants to be in the future, semi retired, living in the sun, big house and all that bollox.
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hi mick doesnt matter how much of a big player you are. Im already where this guys wants to be in the future, semi retired, living in the sun, big house and all that bollox.
That sounds like the life mate.
My wife is from Brazil and really misses good weather. I have a good business and think I could be a lot less involved and live elsewhere with a bit of tactical thinking.
Do you still run a business?
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10k. After tax per month? Not good?
Are you lot serious?
10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.
Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.
Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.
Anyone would have to do quite a lot for it still. The stress may be a bit less but it wouldn't be gone. When its yours, everything stops with you. Hence why I personally would want to see more than £10k from £800k.
To compare £10k and £800k is a tad misleading because you are looking at different timescales. More accurate to compare £120k with £800k or £10k with £66.6k
That's true. So £800k minus £680k in costs and tax.
It's a labour-intensive industry. Wages will necessarily take a big chunk, especially if wishing to retain the better workers.
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10k. After tax per month? Not good?
Are you lot serious?
10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.
Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.
Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.
Anyone would have to do quite a lot for it still. The stress may be a bit less but it wouldn't be gone. When its yours, everything stops with you. Hence why I personally would want to see more than £10k from £800k.
To compare £10k and £800k is a tad misleading because you are looking at different timescales. More accurate to compare £120k with £800k or £10k with £66.6k
That's true. So £800k minus £680k in costs and tax.
It's a labour-intensive industry. Wages will necessarily take a big chunk, especially if wishing to retain the better workers.
I agree. But the profit is very low. Maybe it's a pricing issue, or there's money being spent naively on things, or both perhaps.
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give us a twinkle if you would like a few tips pal as i see your pretty new to the game.
Nope i'm not new to the window cleaning game been doing it now for 15 years, but yes i would be happy to contact you i'm always happy to take on board any tips you might have. I'm on a much smaller business expansion push, £80k in 15 months. My email is info@stockclean.co.uk i look forward to receiving your contact details so i can call you to ask advice.
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Thats the point i was trying to make tom but it fell on deaf ears. Hes got an amazing business turning over half a mill but needs to keep grafting and expanding throwing money at something when like you said franchise it with a decent manager and no stress and sail of in to the sunset. Surely either the people in charge of pricing, or the people in charge of making the most from the huge amount of customers he has need sorting.
yes i run my own small business in comparison ;D from south of spain, living the dream an that ;D ;D
i reality i have children and just had enough of the uk and wanted to give them a better childhood so i did what i had to make it happen
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marc i was joking pal, i watch a couple of your vids and you seem to be smashing it. like the main man dazmond said turnover vanity, profit sanity. you will never see that guy come across negative, never seems stressed, earns a decent screw............. job done
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I have one criticism of Lee.
Stop posting on here about how you are doing.
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Again not reading the previous posts which answer this.
We do not use cleaner planner for accounting or expenses., so no that is not profit.
I've never missed a beat mate. The figures have still been filled in, i was just asking what they represent. I'm unsure of the point you're making with your original post as you may have well of said........... this is what i turned over.....[in certain timeframe]. Anyone , and there's plenty here , knows what a van can turnover. Aside from the fact you have more vans i'm struggling to find out what it is you have done thats so different from anyone else ? Van + Work+employee=profit/wage ...... Some people dip their toe in with investment in one van and are comfortable. Some go more...... Is there something groundbreaking and new here that you've done 'cos i seem to be missing it ?
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I have one criticism of Lee.
Stop posting on here about how you are doing.
You can't tell how he's doing , thats the point i'm making and others have made.
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marc i was joking pal, i watch a couple of your vids and you seem to be smashing it. like the main man dazmond said turnover vanity, profit sanity. you will never see that guy come across negative, never seems stressed, earns a decent screw............. job done
Vids? I haven't put up any vids.
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hi mick doesnt matter how much of a big player you are. Im already where this guys wants to be in the future, semi retired, living in the sun, big house and all that bollox.
No Uk window clean are you?
I know the owner sits in the sun whilst all his 22 vans are killing it nationwide in the UK.
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Well if hes living in Spain hes gonna have the sun sea and sand. Big houses in spain are 10 a penny, good for him.
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Fantastic stuff! Profit margins a lot better than many other industries.
Keep us all posted!
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Lee, what do you see yourself doing in 15 years?
In a few years I plan to either set up another base and try to double the business or set up a completely different business. I have a few ideas for something else at the moment.
Any further news on the hot water idear you are working on ???
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Well IMHO Lee answers questions from forum members so no problem in this corner of 100 acre wood.
Go back and look at Lee's posts...........did you miss the ones where he charges about £250 or summat for his advice ? What sort of fool would pay that ? Well thats what i thought, until i seen Soupy been in contact with him........... now Soupy souter has about ten vehicles himself. Not that thats a benchmark or anything............... Lee's sole aim is to tout himself as a guru. Lee doesn't do to much social media either, the results are often real and quick, and to be fair brutal too but lets have a look at Lee's foray into social media.........
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1518233106_Selection_999(933).jpg)
"Haters" that word again..... and Lee's OP on here? Yep..... "Haters".....
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1518233205_Selection_999(934).jpg)
And after Lee's foray on to social media he set the place ablaze you can guess? Erm, no. He's never said no more.
I still scratch my head why you give him oxygen space here. A guy advertised here the other day for an employee, paying up to £15 per hour, he was asked what his agenda was....................
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1518233582_Selection_999(935).jpg)
Odd that the same question wasn't asked of Lee?
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10k. After tax per month? Not good?
Are you lot serious?
10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.
Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.
Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.
Anyone would have to do quite a lot for it still. The stress may be a bit less but it wouldn't be gone. When its yours, everything stops with you. Hence why I personally would want to see more than £10k from £800k.
To compare £10k and £800k is a tad misleading because you are looking at different timescales. More accurate to compare £120k with £800k or £10k with £66.6k
That's true. So £800k minus £680k in costs and tax.
It's a labour-intensive industry. Wages will necessarily take a big chunk, especially if wishing to retain the better workers.
I agree. But the profit is very low. Maybe it's a pricing issue, or there's money being spent naively on things, or both perhaps.
I really couldn't say but I suppose it changes once someone reaches the point where others are doing the physical labour. No harm spending money to experiment with ways of increasing profit; if something doesn't work out, you've tried something different rather than give it to the taxman.
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Go back and look at Lee's posts...........did you miss the ones where he charges about £250 or summat for his advice ? What sort of fool would pay that ? Well thats what i thought, until i seen Soupy been in contact with him........... now Soupy souter has about ten vehicles himself. Not that thats a benchmark or anything...............
I needed advice on dealing with the water board. Not something many on here will have had to do on the same scale as me. In the end Lee couldn't really help, the set up is different in England.
Anyway he seemed like a nice bloke, very forthcoming with advice.
He's went for it, all in, cards on the table. I respect that.
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Very interesting read and views!
Good going Lee (I remember your early days) you will get there and be happy with what you have ;)
I’d also be happy with 10k a month! In fact I’d be happy with 5k a month!! I can live very comfortably on that and not have to worry (too much) about anything!
Will look forward to reading about this next year ;D
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Go back and look at Lee's posts...........did you miss the ones where he charges about £250 or summat for his advice ? What sort of fool would pay that ? Well thats what i thought, until i seen Soupy been in contact with him........... now Soupy souter has about ten vehicles himself. Not that thats a benchmark or anything...............
I needed advice on dealing with the water board. Not something many on here will have had to do on the same scale as me. In the end Lee couldn't really help, the set up is different in England.
Anyway he seemed like a nice bloke, very forthcoming with advice.
He's went for it, all in, cards on the table. I respect that.
Not knocking anyone but haven’t we all laid ‘our cards in the table’?
Define - what is commitment to the cause? Really, everyone’s situation is different. We haven’t all got parents to fall back on and hole up with if we decide we’d like to give our career a big fat shot. Cards on the table for a lot of us was leaving an existing, stable and reliable income to go in to something we really didn’t know was going to work or be worthwhile. When you’ve been in the game a number of years and move in with your parents it’s not such a big risk.
I admire what Lee has done, he doesn’t like me, but that’s ok, I’ve apologised to him for what I said, but he hasn’t done a great deal more than a lot of us have or would given similar circumstances. The difference between Lee and others is he’s driven by success and challenge, most on here are happy to progress in one direction but not to the same degree as Lee.
He doesn’t come across as a particularly approachable character but at least he doesnt come across like Catweazle. Fair play.
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Especially your last 2 sentences. Now re think your coments based on us cleaning with 8 vans out right now and marketing starting in april to get our last 3 out this summer. Once again when they are all out we will be at £65-£70k a month and I will take home the 10 previously mentioned. You feel sorry for me???
£10k take home for all that work isn't that amazing though tbh.
You say that, but remember lee has set things us so they now can run themselves.
Imagine having £10,000 deposited into your personal Account every month, and not having to be in the office every day, just work when you want to work, and keep your finger on the pulse.
I’d say it’s pretty good going for the few years of hard work to get it there.
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Not knocking anyone but haven’t we all laid ‘our cards in the table’?
You could be right, not me though. I'm risk averse.
Define - what is commitment to the cause? I don't know what you mean Really, everyone’s situation is different. We haven’t all got parents to fall back on and hole up with if we decide we’d like to give our career a big fat shot. Cards on the table for a lot of us was leaving an existing, stable and reliable income to go in to something we really didn’t know was going to work or be worthwhile. When you’ve been in the game a number of years and move in with your parents it’s not such a big risk.
Selling off a stable investment and plowing the whole lot into a domestic window cleaning company is risky.
I admire what Lee has done, he doesn’t like me, but that’s ok, I’ve apologised to him for what I said, but he hasn’t done a great deal more than a lot of us have or would given similar circumstances. The difference between Lee and others is he’s driven by success and challenge, most on here are happy to progress in one direction but not to the same degree as Lee.
Sorry, which is it? He's just done what a lot would do; or most would be happy to "progress in one direction"? They seem like opposite statements.
He doesn’t come across as a particularly approachable character but at least he doesnt come across like Catweazle. Fair play.
We yapped away for some time on the phone, he seems like a good guy.
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Not knocking anyone but haven’t we all laid ‘our cards in the table’?
You could be right, not me though. I'm risk averse.
Define - what is commitment to the cause? I don't know what you mean Really, everyone’s situation is different. We haven’t all got parents to fall back on and hole up with if we decide we’d like to give our career a big fat shot. Cards on the table for a lot of us was leaving an existing, stable and reliable income to go in to something we really didn’t know was going to work or be worthwhile. When you’ve been in the game a number of years and move in with your parents it’s not such a big risk.
Selling off a stable investment and plowing the whole lot into a domestic window cleaning company is risky.
I admire what Lee has done, he doesn’t like me, but that’s ok, I’ve apologised to him for what I said, but he hasn’t done a great deal more than a lot of us have or would given similar circumstances. The difference between Lee and others is he’s driven by success and challenge, most on here are happy to progress in one direction but not to the same degree as Lee.
Sorry, which is it? He's just done what a lot would do; or most would be happy to "progress in one direction"? They seem like opposite statements.
They are opposing statements. A lot would be happy to do what Lee has done, IMO, given similar circumstances, most don’t have those circumstances though. Leaving them in a position where they settle for a commitment that asks less of them.
He doesn’t come across as a particularly approachable character but at least he doesnt come across like Catweazle. Fair play.
We yapped away for some time on the phone, he seems like a good guy.
Additionally I’m sure if the circumstances were different for Lee he’d probably get to where he is now some other way.
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Fairs fair, as far as I know Lee Pryor has taken all of the burden of his expansion on his own shoulders without any financial help from outside investors/sources.
Highly commendable considering some other "entrepreneurs" that shield themselves from risk by using and gambling with other people's money (crowd funders etc.).
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Go back and look at Lee's posts...........did you miss the ones where he charges about £250 or summat for his advice ? What sort of fool would pay that ? Well thats what i thought, until i seen Soupy been in contact with him........... now Soupy souter has about ten vehicles himself. Not that thats a benchmark or anything...............
I needed advice on dealing with the water board. Not something many on here will have had to do on the same scale as me. In the end Lee couldn't really help, the set up is different in England.
Anyway he seemed like a nice bloke, very forthcoming with advice.
He's went for it, all in, cards on the table. I respect that.
What was the issue if you dont mind me asking?
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What was the issue if you dont mind me asking?
Just about price.
In Scotland the market is privatised, I assumed it was the same in England. Apparently not.
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What was the issue if you dont mind me asking?
Just about price.
In Scotland the market is privatised, I assumed it was the same in England. Apparently not.
Get a borehole. Its around 10k
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Get a borehole. Its around 10k
I'll get me spade.
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at the end of the day he s done what most of us cant,dont want(or darent) do....built a large window cleaning company and no doubt he ll continue to grow and make a very good living out of it...he s also given 11 people a job (as well as his office staff).he probably pays a decent wage too so his employees are more than likely to stay around a while...
me...?i couldnt be arsed with it all ..my goals and ambitions have all been realised at the age of 46..having a roof over my head,a new van and hot system,part time hours with very little stress,bills paid and money in the bank..a golf GTI to drive around in my leisure time,2 drum kits and a great band of mates to play music with,good health for my hobby of bodybuilding,my girlfriend and family and the dog!.....theres absolutely nothing else i need/want.....ill just continue to refine my work like ive been doing for years.....
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at the end of the day he s done what most of us cant,dont want(or darent) do....built a large window cleaning company and no doubt he ll continue to grow and make a very good living out of it...he s also given 11 people a job (as well as his office staff).he probably pays a decent wage too so his employees are more than likely to stay around a while...
me...?i couldnt be arsed with it all ..my goals and ambitions have all been realised at the age of 46..having a roof over my head,a new van and hot system,part time hours with very little stress,bills paid and money in the bank..a golf GTI to drive around in my leisure time,2 drum kits and a great band of mates to play music with,good health for my hobby of bodybuilding,my girlfriend and family and the dog!.....theres absolutely nothing else i need/want.....ill just continue to refine my work like ive been doing for years.....
What if you're fried by a solar panel and cant continue to work though?
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Thing is though Dazmond. You have an accident, you cant work. Your customers go elsewhere, you loose the GTI, possibly the roof over your head and life quickly spirals.
Lees aim was to set up his business so it becomes an asset to him with little or no input. If he has and accident now; well it doesnt matter becouse the business dosent rely on him to do the work. And can probbably get the best private medical care now too.
Thats what i want to get to also.
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I take people as I find them.
I have spoken with Lee on the phone, at quite some length and I thought he was a nice guy and very helpful.
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Thing is though Dazmond. You have an accident, you cant work. Your customers go elsewhere, you loose the GTI, possibly the roof over your head and life quickly spirals.
Lees aim was to set up his business so it becomes an asset to him with little or no input. If he has and accident now; well it doesnt matter becouse the business dosent rely on him to do the work. And can probbably get the best private medical care now too.
Thats what i want to get to also.
What's the point in worrying about something that might never happen?
I know window cleaners that have been cleaning over 50 years(on ladders too)and they look years younger than their age...nowt wrong with them... :).
I don't worry about the 'what ifs'..you could make yourself ill!!!!! ;D ;D
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Thing is though Dazmond. You have an accident, you cant work. Your customers go elsewhere, you loose the GTI, possibly the roof over your head and life quickly spirals.
Lees aim was to set up his business so it becomes an asset to him with little or no input. If he has and accident now; well it doesnt matter becouse the business dosent rely on him to do the work. And can probbably get the best private medical care now too.
Thats what i want to get to also.
I wouldnt loose the roof over my head mate.id go on sickness benefit if I couldnt work and get housing benefit like half the scroungers that live round here.....
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I'm going for 20 million this year. I might just make it if I get out there canvassing new work.
Trouble is, it's Zimbabwean dollars.
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i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc. I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money. I only replied on what you have put. The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place. I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft
You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Especially your last 2 sentences. Now re think your coments based on us cleaning with 8 vans out right now and marketing starting in april to get our last 3 out this summer. Once again when they are all out we will be at £65-£70k a month and I will take home the 10 previously mentioned. You feel sorry for me???
£10k take home for all that work isn't that amazing though tbh.
You say that, but remember lee has set things us so they now can run themselves.
Imagine having £10,000 deposited into your personal Account every month, and not having to be in the office every day, just work when you want to work, and keep your finger on the pulse.
I’d say it’s pretty good going for the few years of hard work to get it there.
Well its been fun reading through some of these.
I have quoted this post because thats really captured exactly my point. £10k a month take home after tax, and less than part time hours required.
People here that dont think thats very good need their heads looking at. Thats £175K a year before tax for not really having to work. That puts a person in the top 1% earnings in the uk. It means I could buy a million pound house if I decided to (I wouldnt) The fact is the bigger you get the bigger the expenses get. A one man band would probably think that to turnover £800K you would expect to earn £300k, it just doenst work like that. In reality my actual takehome a month would be closer to £12k a month after tax with some good work from my accountant.
If there are others here like ashbash who say they have already reached that level then I say well done and I take my hat off to you.
In the mean time I am happy with life while I am still in the building phase, I live in a brand new nice house, drive a nice car and am off to dubai for the 4th time in April.
Yes pushing forward is stressful and hard work but I am close to the end goal now and with a bit more we will hit that target this year.
I really dont care whether people here like me or not, its all just a bit of fun isnt it. I started this post because I was proud of having our best ever January and I get a buzz to see the business I started with a bucket and ladder grow and move forward. I feel excited to be close to my goal.
Hey at the end of the day my posts always get a lot of action dont they. Keeps people entertained for a while. I like to think there are people on here with similar ambitions to me like Mark who will be inspired to see that it is possible if you try.
Peace!
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Yes brilliant excellent amazing very rich wahoo
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It's not that people don't think 10k a month is good, im sure most on here think it's a lot better than just good...,they are just surprised it's not more from 800k turnover like you say.
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I admire your achievement's lee.
You get a lot of negativity here and if its just because your successful then its unjust.
What is the real reason for your posts though? It sounds to me as though as you got everything someone could want, what do you want from these post's? Is there something missing from your life?
Why would you bother participating in this? If i was in your position I would be too busy enjoying life and wouldn't have time for all this, you signed out not too long ago and now your back doing the same thing.
I'm not trying to have a pop, I'm not in the position to.But why? It's almost like you need your achievement recognised to validate it.
I come here for knowledge to better myself, why do you come here? Just a question.
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Just a bit of fun Paul.
No there is nothing missing in my life thank you.
Lots of people on here post things that they are proud of in their business, mile stones, goals ect. Seems if I do it thats a problem for people and there must be something missing in my life and I must be a horrible person. How dare I aspire to more in order to have the life Iwant.
Just a bit of fun over something I am proud of and it decends to this.
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It’s quite civilised isn’t it?
It hasn’t descended to anything, unless I’ve missed something.
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Don't take me the wrong way lee, I mean no offence!
Was just wandering that's all.
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10k. After tax per month? Not good?
Are you lot serious?
10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.
Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.
Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.
Anyone would have to do quite a lot for it still. The stress may be a bit less but it wouldn't be gone. When its yours, everything stops with you. Hence why I personally would want to see more than £10k from £800k.
To compare £10k and £800k is a tad misleading because you are looking at different timescales. More accurate to compare £120k with £800k or £10k with £66.6k
That's true. So £800k minus £680k in costs and tax.
I missed this one before. Don't forget that one sixth of it is a straight VAT payment regardless of business expenses. I realise that some of that can be clawed back but I don't think that counts as turnover.
Before anyone says that one fifth is 20%, yes, I know. But we are talking about 20/120 bearing in mind the £800k is turnover + VAT = 120% of turnover (20% being one sixth of 120%).
One sixth of £800k is about £133k. So straight away you're talking about £667k rather than £800k. I don't know what Lee paid for his vans and equipment but I imagine there is substantial clawback when large purchases are made - but that doesn't count as part of the turnover.
Anyway, he doesn't have to justify his numbers to anyone. £10k a month income is nice in anyone's language - even better if it's effectively for a part-time supervisory role.
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Amazing achiements by Lee and others like him wouldn’t it be easier to turnover 10-12 a month and pay 2 blokes 450-500 a eeek,you would end up with a little under half what your getting now with a mountain of less hassle and something that’s more manageable,just a thought.
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Amazing achiements by Lee and others like him wouldn’t it be easier to turnover 10-12 a month and pay 2 blokes 450-500 a eeek,you would end up with a little under half what your getting now with a mountain of less hassle and something that’s more manageable,just a thought.
Dont forget I was once at that level and everything else in between.
The reason to not be there is frankly I dont want to work full time. I also want to a certain lifestyle and freedom and that requires a bigger income. By being bigger things actually get easier after a point. The stressful part is getting there. Once there I will just be a part time supervisor, I wont actually be involved in the day to day running of things. I watch the people that are doing that. I can do that from a laptop and phone anywhere.
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Well i thank you lee for sharing your journey. What many forget is lee could have quite easily just not bothered sharing this, im glad he did because its motivated me to do the same. Will i hit the same levels as lee? Possibly, i certainly hope so, but if i dont at least i can get my business to a point that doesent just soley rely on me; this is my main motivation now.
All those who give lee a hard time, take a look at yourself and ask why. You know lee hasn't insulted anybody, he hasn't put anyone down and has remained positive. I met one of lees workers in old Woking, and i asked him flat out whats it like working for lee? He had a big smile on his face and seemed happy enough. Most of the time i see my competition about and chat to the workers and they look fed up.
Thank you lee for sharing. Keep posting on here ss its a business forum after all.
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Well i thank you lee for sharing your journey. What many forget is lee could have quite easily just not bothered sharing this, im glad he did because its motivated me to do the same. Will i hit the same levels as lee? Possibly, i certainly hope so, but if i dont at least i can get my business to a point that doesent just soley rely on me; this is my main motivation now.
All those who give lee a hard time, take a look at yourself and ask why. You know lee hasn't insulted anybody, he hasn't put anyone down and has remained positive. I met one of lees workers in old Woking, and i asked him flat out whats it like working for lee? He had a big smile on his face and seemed happy enough. Most of the time i see my competition about and chat to the workers and they look fed up.
Thank you lee for sharing. Keep posting on here ss its a business forum after all.
Well thats nice to hear. The person you met is one of my top 3 guys. Hes earning £30k a year. This is another reason that my £10k figure is not higher. I believe in paying people properly to retain them. All my team of cleaners earn 25-30k a year. Office manager is on 25k and office second is on 20k a year. Get good people, treat them right, pay them properly and they stick around and do their job well.
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Hello Lee. I need to make about 3000litre of pure water a day. Wondering what you use or what you would suggest?
Cheers.
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Hello Lee. I need to make about 3000litre of pure water a day. Wondering what you use or what you would suggest?
Cheers.
Hard question to anwer to be honest. Quick answer would be a twin 4040 boosted to over 100psi set at a 70/30 pure to waste ratio, combined with a 5000 liter storage capacity.
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Thanks!
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Thing is though Dazmond. You have an accident, you cant work. Your customers go elsewhere, you loose the GTI, possibly the roof over your head and life quickly spirals.
rubbish and not totally true
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Thing is though Dazmond. You have an accident, you cant work. Your customers go elsewhere, you loose the GTI, possibly the roof over your head and life quickly spirals.
rubbish and not totally true
So which one is it?
It can only be one or the other
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you posted your figures up lee but it seems others are right on here. if you do not like something you here you quickly throw your toys out of the pram. Facts are you do not work part time, you do not earn anywhere near 10 k a month after tax, your stressed by your own admission and working extremly hard at the moment. when your in the 1 per cent bracket and happy with a tan then by all means gloat and be buzzing for yourself. you a bit premature at the moment lee posting figures if you cannot back them up. My response was not negative towards you but you literally gave up everything you had built up in life till that point to go and live with parents and your staff cannot pull there weight properly. i personally could not give a toss, i know how much i earn or do not earn and my quality of life. Stop bragging maybe if you cannot back it up
i did actually enjoy following your posts and learning but bloody hell you sound like a bit of a loser
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Ashbash
I have flagged your post as abusive. No need for that at all
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no need for what marc.
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no need for what marc.
To be honest you comments about my staff not pulling their weight are very offensive. You dont know them, you dont know how hard they work. I can tell you they work very hard and I am very lucky to have such a great team.
You keep missing the point that I have said very many times, we are working towards a goal. No I dont earn £10k a month I never said I did. I could earn more than I do now if I decided to take the money for myself rather than re invest it into growth. Once we reach our goal this year those are the figures we are aiming for.
If you think I am a loser thats up to you but seems quite rude and un called for. I think if you read back I actually said I take my hat off to you if you have reached that level or beyond as you said you have. So I take my hat off to you and im a loser. Thanks! Seems your quite a rude person. I wonder if you would stand in front of me and call me a loser to my face. I doubt it, so why do that and insult my business and staff on here?
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Ashbash
Another fake name with no details of you or your business on the profile.
Instead of insulting me and my business lets see your real name, name of your business and website and see how your doing. You said your already at or beyond that level, great, inspire me then. Lets all see it before you carry on being rude to me.
Name
Website
business name.
Size your at right now...... vans, staff, cleaners, ect
Lets see then. Everyone here can see me. Seems fair
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Lee forget him, he's been called out.
Its all good
I honestly mean it. If someone here is way past that level and living in the sun earning loads of money they dont have to work for then by all means let me see it. Would be nice for me to inspired once in a while. Im not above asking someone further along than me for help or advice.
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well well well Ashley
Seems your not really in a position to tell me my staff dont pull their weight.
dont even have a website.
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Lee forget him, he's been called out.
Its all good
I honestly mean it. If someone here is way past that level and living in the sun earning loads of money they dont have to work for then by all means let me see it. Would be nice for me to inspired once in a while. Im not above asking someone further along than me for help or advice.
Link to Ashley's contact details removed by poster
Yeah...full of it
Looking at the map on that link, it looks like he's based at a hospital.
Sounds about right.
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all that shows is business address..
Below the belt posting a mans address and phonenumber on a forum without permission.
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all that shows is business address..
Below the belt posting a mans address and phonenumber on a forum without permission.
I would question that as it's his own advertising. However, in case of issues, I have removed the link from my quoted post. Thank you for pointing it out.
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Lee coudn't function here without the so-called "haters" because he loves to play the victim card- that's exactly why he calls them out, "provocative". Marc, if your tongue gets any further up Lee's bottom you'll be licking the back of his eyeballs!! The pair of you currently sound more pathetic than any "hater"! Grow up for heavens sake! ::)roll ::)roll
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ok Ashley
So to me you like a young man in his mid 20"s one man band with a 13 year old van still doing most of it trad. No website, no staff.
Now theres nothing wrong with that, we all start somewhere including me. But dont come on here telling me Im a loser, my staff dont pull their weight and that I cant back anything up. In fact you told us that your already past that level and living it up in spain earning the money. lies. Its you that cant back anything up.
Despite your address being posted, dont worry I wont come down and cave your curley haired head in. Im not that upset.
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This is better than the Facebook Groups ;D ;D ;D
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Another solar steve I think
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:) ;Your looking at stuff from about 7 years ago by the looks of it. Some of these comments by billy big bollox and his sidekick are belting. Like I said tough lad I don’t need to show the world how good my life is. If your want to know the crack I do ok for myself l, live in a place called Marbella in the south of Spain in a nice 3 bed villa with my 4 kids , drive a convertible, Work as much or little as I want. . There’s nothing on here I wouldn’t say to your face so stop being a keyboard warrior Big lad. I’d love to see you try to stove my face in as you put it. :o ::)roll Not toddle of you’ve got staff who are taking the pee that need sucking of.
Just remember turnover vanity, profit sanity
Understand my pedigree chum ;D ;)
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ok Ashley
So to me you like a young man in his mid 20"s one man band with a 13 year old van still doing most of it trad. No website, no staff.
Now theres nothing wrong with that, we all start somewhere including me. But dont come on here telling me Im a loser, my staff dont pull their weight and that I cant back anything up. In fact you told us that your already past that level and living it up in spain earning the money. lies. Its you that cant back anything up.
Despite your address being posted, dont worry I wont come down and cave your curley haired head in. Im not that upset.
Cave my curly haired head in 😂😂😂
Your head gone here son or what
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marc your boring me son
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be careful ash, if lee turns up he wont be alone!
2 guess's who be tagging along?
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All this talk of things descending....but there's only person threatening violence. Again.
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Marc Stock - Posting links in these circumstances is not clever.
Lee Pryor - I congratulate you on doing well but I believe this isn't the first time that what might be misconstrued as a threat has come from you. I am sure you would do nothing illegal but from where I stand you have nothing to prove and am asking you not to give this impression again.
Ashbash - well it appears you have gone anyway. If you come back please be less confrontational.
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Clean Clear - I've opened this thread to say I missed your post of Feb 10th (If the clock was right, it was at half past three in the morning!);
I'd forgotten some of the points you made and it has heightened my awareness.
A good reminder but please use "report to moderator" if you want action taken at the time.
Thread re-locked.