Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Marc Stock on January 05, 2018, 01:23:31 pm
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Do you think there is a case for the use of electric vans in window cleaning.
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Interesting question...
I did look into this briefly and I reckon for those with compact rounds it could be worth considering. The only downsides are:
- They're expensive to buy compared to diesel
- They don't seem to make electric vans with high enough payloads at the moment
- The batteries are stored underneath the chassis. This might cause problems in securing the tank
However I reckon in 10 to 15 years time electric vans will probably be the norm.
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It's all been done before and the tech principle is pretty old.
There were large numbers of Electric Delivery Vans in London between 1890 - 1900, notably Harrods.
Elon Musk has just announced an Electric Pick Up Truck which looks pretty smart.
Range shouldn't be an issue but weight might be.
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I think there will be, but its going to take time. New London black cabs are now being built with electric motors. I don't know their payload but guess they are equivalent to a small to mid sized van. The tech and production costs will come down in time. Electric vehicles will one day become the norm but we've a long way to go yet re: infrastructure to charge vehicles - all very well and good if you have a driveway/ garage but so many don't. I can see a time when e vehicle batteries will be standardised and battery banks where you exchange a low battery for a fresh one will replace petrol stations.
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It's all been done before and the tech principle is pretty old.
There were large numbers of Electric Delivery Vans in London between 1890 - 1900, notably Harrods.
Elon Musk has just announced an Electric Pick Up Truck which looks pretty smart.
Range shouldn't be an issue but weight might be.
I used to drive electric milk floats for Unigate. Some of of the 4 wheelers you get could up to 40mph. 10 to 15mph for the 3 wheelers.
The following makes interesting reading:
https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans/news-and-advice/electric-vans/
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I used to drive electric milk floats for Unigate. Some of of the 4 wheelers you get could up to 40mph. 10 to 15mph for the 3 wheelers.
The following makes interesting reading:
https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans/news-and-advice/electric-vans/
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That's an excellent article !
I'm a fan of certain electric applications and the useableness of an electric commercial vehicle is very high. It's probably not going to cover more than 50 miles per day and the flexibility and low down power make it ideal.
I like electric off road motorbikes too - it's possible to get something with the weight of a 4 stroke 125 cc and about four times the power coupled with a decent range - think they may really be on to something there,
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Hi
One of me vans is electric, Nissan env200, absolutely love it , heated seats and steering wheel, the range is about 60miles max but I don’t carry more than 200l of water with the back pack
I also use it for carpet cleaning so cat fit in a proper tank
Low running cost
No tax
Service £49
Really nice to drive
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How is it with stop start driving.
Would many on off cycles affect the performance?
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You get 8 years warranty for the battery, and I was told by the dealer that you can charge it as much as you like
I had it now for two years
So far so good
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No for me, but I can understand hybrid. Once motion/energy is created then it's usable.
Had my metres changed and the guy who fitted them drove an electric van. He hated it. Radio, heater, fan, and wipers on, on a cold day and the range was pants.
There's no way I would invest in one at this stage of the technology
Tony
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if you could get one with a 1000kg payload then id buy one.
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if you could get one with a 1000kg payload then id buy one.
You can, an Iveco Daily and it's £60K with an range of 60 miles with the option of adding up to 2 more battery packs to extend the range at £20K per pack........... bargain :o
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if you could get one with a 1000kg payload then id buy one.
You can, an Iveco Daily and it's £60K with an range of 60 miles with the option of adding up to 2 more battery packs to extend the range at £20K per pack........... bargain :o
if it was the size of a connect L2 at 25k id go for it. ;D
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Or just fit an engine to a trolley and drive that around.
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if you could get one with a 1000kg payload then id buy one.
You can, an Iveco Daily and it's £60K with an range of 60 miles with the option of adding up to 2 more battery packs to extend the range at £20K per pack........... bargain :o
ive drove one of these , good vans , very strange at first not hearing much inside when driving , it had over a tonne of news papers on it and pulled very well
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The other problem I see with them is the national grid spikes when we put the kettle on after Corrie, how will it cope if 10% or drivers changed. Money needs spending on infrastructure and charging points. IMO
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The other problem I see with them is the national grid spikes when we put the kettle on after Corrie, how will it cope if 10% or drivers changed. Money needs spending on infrastructure and charging points. IMO
Very good point.
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This should help.
https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans/news-and-advice/electric-vans/
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Dairy_Crest_Ex_Unigate_Wales_And_Edwards_Rangemaster_Milk_Float.jpg/220px-Dairy_Crest_Ex_Unigate_Wales_And_Edwards_Rangemaster_Milk_Float.jpg
Wiki says they were 25cwt. So 1 and a quarter tons. About 1250kg.
I think that actually was payload.
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I used to go with my older bro when he was a Unigate milkman in Clifton, Bristol and earn some pocket money on a Saturday. In the quiet early hours he'd let me drive the float which was great when I was 13! Two pedals. Brake and "Go".
On the three wheelers the two pedals were the opposite way around to a car. Large brake pedal on the right & accelerator on the left - that caused some confusion!
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I used to go with my older bro when he was a Unigate milkman in Clifton, Bristol and earn some pocket money on a Saturday. In the quiet early hours he'd let me drive the float which was great when I was 13! Two pedals. Brake and "Go".
Top speed started (5 am) at about 30 mph but at the end of the day (1/2pm) with a flat battery set it would just about do 20! This was about 1972/3. Very compact round - probably no more than ten miles tops.
I know he had 400 customers and I guess that on a Saturday they would have averaged 2/3 pints of milk (had to last them Sunday too) so I reckon about 500kg plus glass and crates, and me and my bro on board at the start. Maybe a tonne? At Xmas there would be extra groceries on board sometimes too.
"I could go faster on a kid's scooter............Well, tha knows what I always say?.........What?...........Third class riding's better than first class walking any day....."
Name the film.
A brandy and pep for the winner.
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Kes . The milkman having a chat with Casper . Then Casper nicks a pint of milk off him and shoves it in his paper sack . He'd already nicked a chocolate bar from the paper shop . " who do you think you are , bremner " ;D. Remember the football game . ;D
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I hadn't realised there were that many about already. I've seen this one ....
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/2012-RENAULT-KANGOO-ZE-ECO-FRIENDLY-ELECTRIC-VAN-AUTO-11K-LOW-MILES/253228719873?hash=item3af59b9f01:g:XWYAAOSwsW9Y3iJb .
It seems cheap to me for the mileage.
I'm definitely going to be considering an electric vehicle for my next van. My only concern is their reliability and what there is to go wrong with them vs a diesel engine ? e.g. finding a garage to repair/ service it.
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I hadn't realised there were that many about already. I've seen this one ....
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/2012-RENAULT-KANGOO-ZE-ECO-FRIENDLY-ELECTRIC-VAN-AUTO-11K-LOW-MILES/253228719873?hash=item3af59b9f01:g:XWYAAOSwsW9Y3iJb .
It seems cheap to me for the mileage.
I'm definitely going to be considering an electric vehicle for my next van. My only concern is their reliability and what there is to go wrong with them vs a diesel engine ? e.g. finding a garage to repair/ service it.
Its taken him 6 years to do 11,000. enough said!
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I hadn't realised there were that many about already. I've seen this one ....
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/2012-RENAULT-KANGOO-ZE-ECO-FRIENDLY-ELECTRIC-VAN-AUTO-11K-LOW-MILES/253228719873?hash=item3af59b9f01:g:XWYAAOSwsW9Y3iJb .
It seems cheap to me for the mileage.
I'm definitely going to be considering an electric vehicle for my next van. My only concern is their reliability and what there is to go wrong with them vs a diesel engine ? e.g. finding a garage to repair/ service it.
Its taken him 6 years to do 11,000. enough said!
Thing is though, how many have a van that is their sole means of transport ? I've a 4 seater pickup - is family car and work van. I like it but its a thirsty beast. Reckon its costing me about 25 pence a mile compared to reported running costs of electric of 2p a mile and NO ROAD TAX ! ;) Until 3 weeks ago it made sense - street parked, only 1 resident permit so only 1 vehicle possible. But now I have moved, have a garage and driveway. A van like that for work be so much more cost effective, doubt I'd do more than 100 miles a week in it tops and could afford a cheap, fuel efficient run around for family use.
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This is it isnt it.
I barley do 100 miles a week too. Its all local stop start driving.
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I'll have had my van from new for 6 years on 1st March. At the mo' it is on 33,000 miles in 70 months. So that's 471 miles per calendar month. I know that 1000 miles of that was going canoeing in Scotland last year and another 2000 would be for visits to the Lakes and North Wales over the years.
So actual work use is about 30,000 divided by 70 months which equals 430 per month so about 100 miles per week.
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I'll have had my van from new for 6 years on 1st March. At the mo' it is on 33,000 miles in 70 months. So that's 471 miles per calendar month. I know that 1000 miles of that was going canoeing in Scotland last year and another 2000 would be for visits to the Lakes and North Wales over the years.
So actual work use is about 30,000 divided by 70 months which equals 430 per month so about 100 miles per week.
Without sounding rude, the point is ?
Is there something dodgy or not right about a 6 year old van that has only done 11 k electric or otherwise ? ..... I'm not understanding. ???
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In fact ill add a bit more..
With stop start driving, and constant clutch use. The wear on your engine is much higher for this sort of work.
You know i am going to seriously look at electric.
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if you could get one with a 1000kg payload then id buy one.
Maybe things do change? ;D
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if you could get one with a 1000kg payload then id buy one.
Maybe things do change? ;D
The UK Gov is allowing them to go to 4250Kgs so they can hold a bigger payload and you can drive them like a 3500kg ICE van and on a normal licence. Rishi was wanting us to do a 6hr conversion course but that got dropped. Not sure if any are in the process to be built.
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Topic Locked. Use the other recently started Electric Van thread please.