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Title: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 11, 2017, 05:29:33 pm
whats the difference?mines the thermo pro 90 diesel heater.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Frankybadboy on December 11, 2017, 05:31:06 pm
yours dont work probably ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on December 11, 2017, 05:31:36 pm
A quick google reveals that one works for Five minutes and the other all day!!



 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: P @ F on December 11, 2017, 05:33:34 pm
A quick google reveals that one works for Five minutes and the other all day!!



 ;D ;D ;D

I was just about to type that  :'(   ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: p1w1 on December 11, 2017, 05:37:57 pm
top c is 5kw the pro 90 9kw
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: andyM on December 11, 2017, 05:38:09 pm
I was wondering what insurances you chaps with these expensive heaters (what are they £4-5 grand) have in place if the unthinkable were to happen, as in theft?
 

Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 11, 2017, 05:43:41 pm
top c is 5kw the pro 90 9kw

cheers mate.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: P @ F on December 11, 2017, 05:44:43 pm
Only Daz could spunk 5k on an item and not Know what he had bought  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 11, 2017, 05:45:17 pm
yours dont work probably ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

works fine as long as the engines running! ;D ;D ;D

i had it running for 4 and a half hours today frankie! :)
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 11, 2017, 05:46:12 pm
Only Daz could spunk 5k on an item and not Know what he had bought  ;D ;D ;D

i knew it was a diesel heater thats about it! :)
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: P @ F on December 11, 2017, 06:20:57 pm
So how hot does yours get the water then Daz ?
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on December 11, 2017, 06:26:47 pm
Only Daz could spunk 5k on an item and not Know what he had bought  ;D ;D ;D

i knew it was a diesel heater thats about it! :)



Did you get an instruction manual or anything like that with yours? I just had a warranty paper with my details and serial numbers on.

Just checking with you as in case I missed something
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: P @ F on December 11, 2017, 06:31:42 pm
5K and you dont even get an idiot guide  ;D ;D
I even got an idiot guide with my L5 , probably why i aint blown myself up yet  :o
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on December 11, 2017, 06:32:04 pm
I was wondering what insurances you chaps with these expensive heaters (what are they £4-5 grand) have in place if the unthinkable were to happen, as in theft?

there only one real place we trust that fully insures them and the extra bits and thats a plan , we had a truckmount carpet cleaning van pinched a few years ago   which the value came in at the wrong side of 30k , took a few weeks to sort but got it all paid out in the end , well happy with the service
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Martin Lane on December 11, 2017, 06:39:37 pm
We have our systems insured separately with Alexander Swan

Martin 
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 11, 2017, 06:54:02 pm
Only Daz could spunk 5k on an item and not Know what he had bought  ;D ;D ;D

i knew it was a diesel heater thats about it! :)



Did you get an instruction manual or anything like that with yours? I just had a warranty paper with my details and serial numbers on.

Just checking with you as in case I missed something

i got the webasto warranty and serial number,grippatank brochure,2 baseball caps(one for me and the missus!)and an instruction manual. ;)
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on December 11, 2017, 06:56:35 pm
Only Daz could spunk 5k on an item and not Know what he had bought  ;D ;D ;D

i knew it was a diesel heater thats about it! :)



Did you get an instruction manual or anything like that with yours? I just had a warranty paper with my details and serial numbers on.

Just checking with you as in case I missed something

i got the webasto warranty and serial number,grippatank brochure,2 baseball caps(one for me and the missus!)and an instruction manual. ;)

Haha. I got the brochure. Only the one cap. But 2 pens too. But no instruction manual  :'(
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 11, 2017, 06:57:22 pm
5K and you dont even get an idiot guide  ;D ;D
I even got an idiot guide with my L5 , probably why i aint blown myself up yet  :o

dont get too cocky mate.i too thought i was meticulous with safety with a gas heater until i had a leak.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 11, 2017, 06:59:36 pm
oh  i forgot.i got a pen too but my missus put it straight in her bag! ;D

Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 11, 2017, 07:03:12 pm
maybe you could get one from the grippatank website paul?in pdf form maybe?

its got a troubleshooting guide,fault codes and how to use the controller to turn the heater and frost stat on and off etc
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on December 11, 2017, 07:46:40 pm
maybe you could get one from the grippatank website paul?in pdf form maybe?

its got a troubleshooting guide,fault codes and how to use the controller to turn the heater and frost stat on and off etc


Thanks. They probably did give me one buy can't remember and may have left it there after being busy learning the system.

They are sending me one out. :)
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: P @ F on December 11, 2017, 09:51:17 pm
So what sort of temps do you get at the brush head with these diesels then ?
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 12, 2017, 06:34:59 pm
So what sort of temps do you get at the brush head with these diesels then ?

50-60c in the spring/summer and 20-30c on a very cold day in winter(depending on how much hose you have out off your reel)
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: brianbarber on December 12, 2017, 07:14:53 pm
So what sort of temps do you get at the brush head with these diesels then ?

50-60c in the spring/summer and 20-30c on a very cold day in winter(depending on how much hose you have out off your reel)

You using the grippa red hose reel hose?
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 12, 2017, 07:27:20 pm
So what sort of temps do you get at the brush head with these diesels then ?

50-60c in the spring/summer and 20-30c on a very cold day in winter(depending on how much hose you have out off your reel)

You using the grippa red hose reel hose?

no i just use the standard gardiners yellow microbore brian(its rated up to 60c).i used to have the 8mm red thermobore bought from gardiners and it was an absolute nightmare.far too heavy to use every day.they didnt do a microbore version back then.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: NWH on December 12, 2017, 08:10:36 pm
If you have it as little as 45degrees on days like this week it will literally smoke off the glass like it’s on fire,mine was at that today and climbing and it was melting ice off frames and sills in seconds. Without hot water this week I wouldn’t have even been able to leave the house,I had more trouble getting my side load door open this morning I had to use the hot water and pole to defrost the door 😂
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Frankybadboy on December 12, 2017, 09:11:36 pm
yours dont work probably ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

works fine as long as the engines running! ;D ;D ;D

i had it running for 4 and a half hours today frankie! :)
go and have a word with your mechanic and tell him that you leave the engine running a long time without moving and see what he says mate  ;)
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 13, 2017, 08:22:21 pm
yours dont work probably ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

works fine as long as the engines running! ;D ;D ;D

i had it running for 4 and a half hours today frankie! :)
go and have a word with your mechanic and tell him that you leave the engine running a long time without moving and see what he says mate  ;)

im quite sure idling my van engine for 4 or 5 hours for 3 days is not going to knacker a new engine franky!
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on December 13, 2017, 08:24:36 pm
Most RAC and AA vans are regularly parked up with engine running!! ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 13, 2017, 08:26:04 pm
If you have it as little as 45degrees on days like this week it will literally smoke off the glass like it’s on fire,mine was at that today and climbing and it was melting ice off frames and sills in seconds. Without hot water this week I wouldn’t have even been able to leave the house,I had more trouble getting my side load door open this morning I had to use the hot water and pole to defrost the door 😂

same nigel.no way would i have been able to work monday or tuesday this week with a cold system.im using a cold grippatank system tomorrow while my heater gets sorted but the weather will be warmer not sub zero! :)
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on December 13, 2017, 08:45:36 pm
Most RAC and AA vans are regularly parked up with engine running!! ;D

And ice cream vans
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: P @ F on December 13, 2017, 08:51:12 pm
Fire engines , Ambulances , Yodel , TNT ,Tesco , ASDA, Waitrose , DHL , COOP , .....I could go on but i got a TAXI waiting  ;D ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Don Kee on December 13, 2017, 09:07:51 pm
DPF? Carbon build? That coupled with the limited milage Daz reckons he does might not be doing any favours.

Anyway, I could be wrong but aren’t icecream vans etc... designed to run under a slight load rather than straight idle to run the fridges etc...? (I understand delivery wagons aren’t but they’ll be driven all day and revved to buggery all day)

I’m no mechanic though so do what you want...
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 13, 2017, 09:20:57 pm
DPF? Carbon build? That coupled with the limited milage Daz reckons he does might not be doing any favours.

Anyway, I could be wrong but aren’t icecream vans etc... designed to run under a slight load rather than straight idle to run the fridges etc...? (I understand delivery wagons aren’t but they’ll be driven all day and revved to buggery all day)

I’m no mechanic though so do what you want...

i drove 350 miles last week (to cambridgeshire and back!)and grippa have drove my van back down there today so itll have done 700 miles in the last 2 weeks by friday so thatll sort the DPF out if theres any soot in it. ;)
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Slacky on December 13, 2017, 09:28:14 pm
I’m going to Grippa tomorrow, did you leave any 5* hotel and plane tickets in that van of yours Daz?
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 13, 2017, 09:32:46 pm
I’m going to Grippa tomorrow, did you leave any 5* hotel and plane tickets in that van of yours Daz?

you ll probably see my van tomorrow then matt.its getting sorted tomorrow hopefully. ;D

..if they have time after fitting your heater..!
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Spruce on December 13, 2017, 11:12:39 pm
I’m going to Grippa tomorrow, did you leave any 5* hotel and plane tickets in that van of yours Daz?

Please try to find out for us how they are solving Daz's fuel supply problem.  ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 14, 2017, 07:50:08 am
I’m going to Grippa tomorrow, did you leave any 5* hotel and plane tickets in that van of yours Daz?

Please try to find out for us how they are solving Daz's fuel supply problem.  ;D

i think webasto have sent a part that needs fitting to these vehicles to allow the fuel to be taken while the engine is off.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: deeege on December 14, 2017, 03:51:25 pm
If you have it as little as 45degrees on days like this week it will literally smoke off the glass like it’s on fire,mine was at that today and climbing and it was melting ice off frames and sills in seconds. Without hot water this week I wouldn’t have even been able to leave the house,I had more trouble getting my side load door open this morning I had to use the hot water and pole to defrost the door 😂

same nigel.no way would i have been able to work monday or tuesday this week with a cold system.im using a cold grippatank system tomorrow while my heater gets sorted but the weather will be warmer not sub zero! :)

I’m around the corner from you Daz, I’ve done a full week so far this week with cold water, no problems. Was out at 8am on Monday, -3 degrees, not a problem.

Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Slacky on December 14, 2017, 04:11:33 pm
I’m going to Grippa tomorrow, did you leave any 5* hotel and plane tickets in that van of yours Daz?

Please try to find out for us how they are solving Daz's fuel supply problem.  ;D

It was parked outside when I got there.

Who totalled the near side real wheel arch Daz and wheel hub?
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Jonny 87 on December 14, 2017, 04:23:10 pm
I’m going to Grippa tomorrow, did you leave any 5* hotel and plane tickets in that van of yours Daz?

Please try to find out for us how they are solving Daz's fuel supply problem.  ;D

It was parked outside when I got there.

Who totalled the near side real wheel arch Daz and wheel hub?

 :o :o :o

Hopefully it’s slacky on the wind up.  ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 14, 2017, 05:07:14 pm
better had be!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 14, 2017, 05:10:54 pm
If you have it as little as 45degrees on days like this week it will literally smoke off the glass like it’s on fire,mine was at that today and climbing and it was melting ice off frames and sills in seconds. Without hot water this week I wouldn’t have even been able to leave the house,I had more trouble getting my side load door open this morning I had to use the hot water and pole to defrost the door 😂

same nigel.no way would i have been able to work monday or tuesday this week with a cold system.im using a cold grippatank system tomorrow while my heater gets sorted but the weather will be warmer not sub zero! :)

I’m around the corner from you Daz, I’ve done a full week so far this week with cold water, no problems. Was out at 8am on Monday, -3 degrees, not a problem.

how did you stop the water freezing in the hose/jets?ice near the clamps?and how did you melt ice/snow on skylights/windows?
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: davids3511 on December 14, 2017, 05:23:02 pm
If you have it as little as 45degrees on days like this week it will literally smoke off the glass like it’s on fire,mine was at that today and climbing and it was melting ice off frames and sills in seconds. Without hot water this week I wouldn’t have even been able to leave the house,I had more trouble getting my side load door open this morning I had to use the hot water and pole to defrost the door 😂

same nigel.no way would i have been able to work monday or tuesday this week with a cold system.im using a cold grippatank system tomorrow while my heater gets sorted but the weather will be warmer not sub zero! :)

I’m around the corner from you Daz, I’ve done a full week so far this week with cold water, no problems. Was out at 8am on Monday, -3 degrees, not a problem.
How do you deal with ice forming on customers drives, that put me off doing full days myself but I am a lazy bugger. Interested to see people's solutions, I can be a bit over cautious at times.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 14, 2017, 05:27:59 pm
sweep standing water away,sprinkle ice melt grit down and just use a damp cloth or squeegee on doors when its sub zero.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: deeege on December 14, 2017, 05:28:35 pm
If you have it as little as 45degrees on days like this week it will literally smoke off the glass like it’s on fire,mine was at that today and climbing and it was melting ice off frames and sills in seconds. Without hot water this week I wouldn’t have even been able to leave the house,I had more trouble getting my side load door open this morning I had to use the hot water and pole to defrost the door 😂

same nigel.no way would i have been able to work monday or tuesday this week with a cold system.im using a cold grippatank system tomorrow while my heater gets sorted but the weather will be warmer not sub zero! :)

I’m around the corner from you Daz, I’ve done a full week so far this week with cold water, no problems. Was out at 8am on Monday, -3 degrees, not a problem.

how did you stop the water freezing in the hose/jets?ice near the clamps?and how did you melt ice/snow on skylights/windows?

Was doing commercial from 8-11am, kept the hose moving and had no freeze, domestics after that and it was 1 degrees at that time. Apart from the odd conny freezing up it was a perfectly normal day.

Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: NWH on December 14, 2017, 07:14:58 pm
Working with cold down to -1-3 lol on Tuesday morning I had to use my hot water to get the side load door open no trouble with the rears as it was in wasn’t as frozen,people with cold want to have a close look at there work especially upstairs windows I’ve been using the pole around 12 years now this time of the year with cold water its a nightmare it’s like dragging barbed wire about.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: NWH on December 14, 2017, 07:16:49 pm
When I first started the first thing to stop me this time of the year was frozen jets with cold water, made no difference if the van was defrosted the jets won’t cope if it’s to cold.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Frankybadboy on December 14, 2017, 07:24:35 pm
tuesday we had -5/4 at 8:30am and had a problem with the second house cause of new windows but worked all day, and guess what  cold water
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: NWH on December 14, 2017, 08:26:31 pm
Crack on with your cold  water no thanks I’ll stick to hot.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Stoots on December 14, 2017, 08:54:20 pm
Decided that when the weather stops me from using cold ill switch to hot.

Apart from mon/tues this week when water was freezing on glass before 10am ive never had a problem with cold.

If there was a cheap and easy way to do it i would go with it but it seems a diesel heater is stupid prices, gas is dicing with death and with an immersion you need to upgrade your house electrics.

Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on December 14, 2017, 09:26:43 pm
Decided that when the weather stops me from using cold ill switch to hot.

Apart from mon/tues this week when water was freezing on glass before 10am ive never had a problem with cold.

If there was a cheap and easy way to do it i would go with it but it seems a diesel heater is stupid prices, gas is dicing with death and with an immersion you need to upgrade your house electrics.

An immersion doesn't require the house electrics upgrading. All that is required is for the 16amp immersion cable to be on it's own 16amp breaker from the consumer unit- it's very simple and cheap stuff- the easiest if easy jobs for any sparky! An electric cooker/oven and domestic immersion heater is already wired the same way- you just don't know it.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: dazmond on December 14, 2017, 10:19:45 pm
Decided that when the weather stops me from using cold ill switch to hot.

Apart from mon/tues this week when water was freezing on glass before 10am ive never had a problem with cold.

If there was a cheap and easy way to do it i would go with it but it seems a diesel heater is stupid prices, gas is dicing with death and with an immersion you need to upgrade your house electrics.

 cold water is fine.hot water just makes for an easier, more comfortable working day but its not a necessity.
Title: Re: webasto thermo top c/thermo pro 90
Post by: Stoots on December 15, 2017, 08:49:45 am
Decided that when the weather stops me from using cold ill switch to hot.

Apart from mon/tues this week when water was freezing on glass before 10am ive never had a problem with cold.

If there was a cheap and easy way to do it i would go with it but it seems a diesel heater is stupid prices, gas is dicing with death and with an immersion you need to upgrade your house electrics.

An immersion doesn't require the house electrics upgrading. All that is required is for the 16amp immersion cable to be on it's own 16amp breaker from the consumer unit- it's very simple and cheap stuff- the easiest if easy jobs for any sparky! An electric cooker/oven and domestic immersion heater is already wired the same way- you just don't know it.


Yeh I know it's a fairly easy/cheap job but for me I rent so its like an upgrade in that I'm adding something to the property which probably won't be allowed.

Gas and electric I know nothing about though.