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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tom20001 on December 01, 2017, 10:34:15 pm
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http://cropcare.ie/when-softwash-becomes-hard-wash/
Found this , made interesting reading but plot thickened when i realised site is linked to a site selling algoclear 🤔🤔😂
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I won't use any sodium hypo chloride product simply because it is toxic. People spraying it on to buildings and roofs are breathing in the spray and so on and no, it's not like everyday bleach, it's much worse. When spraying it, it obviously turns into an airborne aerosol and goes in the eyes, up the nose, in the mouth and on the skin.
Just because the toxic effects are not immediately apparent, doesn't mean there aren't any.
Not very intelligent in terms of a person's long term health but very intelligent for those who want to promote the new 'soft wash' way of making money.
The stuff is highly toxic, it even says so on the container. It don't take much working out that if spraying it in the air........
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I won't use any sodium hypo chloride product simply because it is toxic. People spraying it on to buildings and roofs are breathing in the spray and so on and no, it's not like everyday bleach, it's much worse. When spraying it, it obviously turns into an airborne aerosol and goes in the eyes, up the nose, in the mouth and on the skin.
Just because the toxic effects are not immediately apparent, doesn't mean there aren't any.
Not very intelligent in terms of a person's long term health but very intelligent for those who want to promote the new 'soft wash' way of making money.
The stuff is highly toxic, it even says so on the container. It don't take much working out that if spraying it in the air........
I’d agree, although the legitimate guys doing this wear full PPE and breather masks. Looks like something out of ET.
On the other hand guys with a gardiner backpack and fibreglass pole spraying it all the over the place..... not so much.
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I use hypo, but am very cautious with it. I wear ppe, but don’t always wear a mask, reason being is it’s not toxic at 2%, and outside it’s not a hazard to breathe such a low strength.
That said, I have got a respirator, and will wear it when needed.
It’s not the stuff to joke about with, it needs to be respected. But the results are great and done properly, it’s very safe
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All this softwashing melarky is a con imo.
I use bio washing detergents to wash render etc..
It's cheap, and it works very well
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'bio washing detergents'. Please enlighten me on that one. Type, mixing application. How are you using it to good effect.
Cheers.
Craig
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'bio washing detergents'. Please enlighten me on that one. Type, mixing application. How are you using it to good effect.
Cheers.
Craig
Of course.
There are two ways you can dispense bio detergents.
1 as a spot cleaner. Simply dust the bristles of your wfp brush with any bio washing powder and scrub in with a little bit of water. It will litrally melt away any dirt grime and biological matter.
2. Fill up a di bottle with the powder and have a bypass valve set to divert a small percentage of the water through it to join again on the other side ideal for render washing, shiplap and putting through a power washer.
Let those enzymes do thier magic. Been doing this for years now.
I got a large render wash coming up shortly in January. Will do a post on it
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So this removes red, green and black algae? You reckon if I put biological washing powder in my backpack it would work the same as algoclear or benz biocidal wash?
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'bio washing detergents'. Please enlighten me on that one. Type, mixing application. How are you using it to good effect.
Cheers.
Craig
Of course.
There are two ways you can dispense bio detergents.
1 as a spot cleaner. Simply dust the bristles of your wfp brush with any bio washing powder and scrub in with a little bit of water. It will litrally melt away any dirt grime and biological matter.
2. Fill up a di bottle with the powder and have a bypass valve set to divert a small percentage of the water through it to join again on the other side ideal for render washing, shiplap and putting through a power washer.
Let those enzymes do thier magic. Been doing this for years now.
I got a large render wash coming up shortly in January. Will do a post on it
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I look forward to hearing and seeing the results that you get and how long it takes etc always willing to learn new things , please put up a selection of pictures Ime sure it will be Intresting to see how others do things
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I won't use any sodium hypo chloride product simply because it is toxic. People spraying it on to buildings and roofs are breathing in the spray and so on and no, it's not like everyday bleach, it's much worse. When spraying it, it obviously turns into an airborne aerosol and goes in the eyes, up the nose, in the mouth and on the skin.
Just because the toxic effects are not immediately apparent, doesn't mean there aren't any.
Not very intelligent in terms of a person's long term health but very intelligent for those who want to promote the new 'soft wash' way of making money.
The stuff is highly toxic, it even says so on the container. It don't take much working out that if spraying it in the air........
I’d agree, although the legitimate guys doing this wear full PPE and breather masks. Looks like something out of ET.
On the other hand guys with a gardiner backpack and fibreglass pole spraying it all the over the place..... not so much.
Using a backpack is actually better for not spraying it all over the place depending on who is using it! The guy with the bio warfare suit could be using a high flow American type system and because he's protected he might not give a toss about anyone else.
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I use hypo, but am very cautious with it. I wear ppe, but don’t always wear a mask, reason being is it’s not toxic at 2%, and outside it’s not a hazard to breathe such a low strength.
That said, I have got a respirator, and will wear it when needed.
It’s not the stuff to joke about with, it needs to be respected. But the results are great and done properly, it’s very safe
Is that the company who makes the stuff who says that when sprayed in the air?
Read the spec sheet again.
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All this softwashing melarky is a con imo.
I use bio washing detergents to wash render etc..
It's cheap, and it works very well
In one go you've dissed soft washing and then spoke up for it !! ;D
I get the point you make though. Soft washing is just a different technique or application, and to use it correctly you'll need a bit of knowledge. Of course i mean in direct opposition to ...jet washing.
Some blokes think that because a dose of hypo removes a load of green that it will also remove oil and every other contaminate known to man.
I think that we're approaching a stage here whereby its gone from.................i've a spare bit of tarmac on board i can do you a nice new drive......to..... I can renovate your drive for ya. I'm also unsure of why these posts arn't moved to the general cleaning section of the forum.
Biggest Con artists after guys doing you a new drive is guys selling you chems to clean with...
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I won't use any sodium hypo chloride product simply because it is toxic. People spraying it on to buildings and roofs are breathing in the spray and so on and no, it's not like everyday bleach, it's much worse. When spraying it, it obviously turns into an airborne aerosol and goes in the eyes, up the nose, in the mouth and on the skin.
Just because the toxic effects are not immediately apparent, doesn't mean there aren't any.
Not very intelligent in terms of a person's long term health but very intelligent for those who want to promote the new 'soft wash' way of making money.
The stuff is highly toxic, it even says so on the container. It don't take much working out that if spraying it in the air........
I’d agree, although the legitimate guys doing this wear full PPE and breather masks. Looks like something out of ET.
On the other hand guys with a gardiner backpack and fibreglass pole spraying it all the over the place..... not so much.
Using a backpack is actually better for not spraying it all over the place depending on who is using it! The guy with the bio warfare suit could be using a high flow American type system and because he's protected he might not give a toss about anyone else.
Yeah that’s a fair point. I agree.
I was more meaning the casual guy who reads on Facebook about hypo, and just grabs a drum and starts spraying it all over the place.
True what you say though, in the right hands it can be fine.
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I use hypo, but am very cautious with it. I wear ppe, but don’t always wear a mask, reason being is it’s not toxic at 2%, and outside it’s not a hazard to breathe such a low strength.
That said, I have got a respirator, and will wear it when needed.
It’s not the stuff to joke about with, it needs to be respected. But the results are great and done properly, it’s very safe
Is that the company who makes the stuff who says that when sprayed in the air?
Read the spec sheet again.
All depends if it’s over 0.5ppm in the air, that’s unlikely when using a 2% solution and using a pole to apply the chems with no drift...
Don’t get me wrong, as I said it needs to be respected. But a low percentage of SH is not harmful to your health. My dad used to work with it being a technical manager of 9 leisure centres, he knows the ins and outs, he’s had more than his fair share of incidents with it, and he’s fine.
With a sensible attitude and careful handling and applying, you can’t go wrong.
If you up the percentage and start spraying it about in wind from a arms length, then yeah, it may cause harm, but even then, it’s not likely when outside.
Household bleach is just as strong as most guys softwash mixes, And people use it indoors all the time with no worries.
Bottom line is ppe, and being sensible will prevent all harm....
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Wearing ppe isn't going to protect the numpty that keeps following you round their house and appearing from nowhere! Some folks just don't listen and just can't help but get in the road and that's when accidents can happen even if it's not chemical related.
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Yes zesty good post there and i agree. If its so dangerous it would hardly be used cleaning pools where idiots like me take in my fair share of pool water 🙈😂
Take precautions, proper ppe rinse properly and cha ching 😉
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Great answer yesterday Mark sorry so long in replying. I have tried bio once or twice on UPVC and gutter cleans but didnt get a result. What the most likely thing I did wrong ?
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I’d love to read some of your rams!
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I’d love to read some of your rams!
Hazard- Numpty owner. Action- Rams fibre glass pole up his arse!
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I’d love to read some of your rams!
Hazard- Numpty owner. Action- Rams fibre glass pole up his arse!
😂😂😂😂
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So this removes red, green and black algae? You reckon if I put biological washing powder in my backpack it would work the same as algoclear or benz biocidal wash?
It depends it can be a bit of a lottery. As long as the bio poweder contains proteases which can break apart peptide bonds and there is a significant amount of it used i see no reason why not.
I found in my experience that using cheaper bio wash powder with no conditioners pre mixed (like oxy activation or carbon based scrubs and softener) in your more likely to get a washing powder with more agressive enzymes as on the 'premium' powders with pre mixed softener would have to have certain enzymes omitted due to the nature of them attacking the very ingredient in the powder itself.
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Great answer yesterday Mark sorry so long in replying. I have tried bio once or twice on UPVC and gutter cleans but didnt get a result. What the most likely thing I did wrong ?
Not sure. Remeber bio washing will only remove stuff that enzymes can digest.
So. If you choose a powder that happens to not have the correct enzyme to digest that exact type of dirt or protein it.wont do it.
I find the cheapest bio powders the most effective. Also dont use hot water anything above 38 degrees c or your likely to destroy some.of the.enzynes
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http://www.stockclean.co.uk/index.php/about-us/wall-render-scrubs
All these jobs were done using bio washing powder
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http://www.stockclean.co.uk/index.php/about-us/wall-render-scrubs
All these jobs were done using bio washing powder
Looks good how long did it take you to do that brick wall ?
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Thats incredible Marc in fairness....... this render cleaning is an absolute minefield there are so many ways of doing it.
We need to be careful ive met two custies this yr putting bio washing powder all over patio and tarmac to clean it....we could be out of a job 🙈😂😂
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http://www.stockclean.co.uk/index.php/about-us/wall-render-scrubs
All these jobs were done using bio washing powder
Looks good how long did it take you to do that brick wall ?
10 mins or so for each wall.
Been a good earner. I charge around £160 for these jobs.
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Thats incredible Marc in fairness....... this render cleaning is an absolute minefield there are so many ways of doing it.
We need to be careful ive met two custies this yr putting bio washing powder all over patio and tarmac to clean it....we could be out of a job 🙈😂😂
Tbh its not rocket science.
If you can wash clothes in it and it will clean them back as new..there is no reason why it wont clean walls etc.
This is why i think this whole 'softwashing' industry that seems to have popped up overnight is a con.
Paying for softwashing systems and training.....its laughable. Really
Been doing render washes like this for years, never called it softwashing..just wall washing or whatever...
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Good results there Marc 👍
Which bio powder do you use? How much do you put in for say 20ltrs water?
Thanks
Tom
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Thats incredible Marc in fairness....... this render cleaning is an absolute minefield there are so many ways of doing it.
We need to be careful ive met two custies this yr putting bio washing powder all over patio and tarmac to clean it....we could be out of a job 🙈😂😂
Tbh its not rocket science.
If you can wash clothes in it and it will clean them back as new..there is no reason why it wont clean walls etc.
This is why i think this whole 'softwashing' industry that seems to have popped up overnight is a con.
Paying for softwashing systems and training.....its laughable. Really
Been doing render washes like this for years, never called it softwashing..just wall washing or whatever...
Marc,
I’d agree with you there, although I do have a softwashing machine, I do find it laughable that people takes courses on such things.
It’s not hard, it’s common sense, and like you say, guys have been doing it for years and years.
In fact, I did a roof clean for a building company a few months back, and guess what they suggested:
‘A mix of bleach and water applied to the roof’
I couldn’t believe it! I said, ‘funnily enough, that’s exactly what I’ll be doing’ (with a surfactant) so the point is, builders etc have also known about it for years.
It’s nothing new, it’s just ‘new’ to window cleaners.
I’ve not tried bio detergents, but to be honest, however it’s done, as long as it’s done safely, it shouldn’t be a concern to anyone.
If people lack common sense, and chuck hypo about all over the place, then they shouldn’t really be touching any chemicals. Those that understand it, and work safely with it should be perfectly fine.
Farmers use hypo all day to clean, it’s a widely used product - from agriculture to cleaning to swimming pools.
I might give bio a whirl. Sounds interesting!
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Good results there Marc 👍
Which bio powder do you use? How much do you put in for say 20ltrs water?
Thanks
Tom
Any cheap Biological powder will work. I tend to use co op's own brand stuff.
How much? I just chuck some in a bucket and scrub it on the wall