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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paul alan on November 01, 2017, 09:01:15 pm
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been out alone again today, usually its me and the wife and she usually does 1/3 of the work and answers the phone and writes out the chits etc so makes things much much easier.
went out at 9 and finished at 5, probably had an hour in breaks.
I use an slx 27 with a 200+ gram brush, whilst working I picked the wifes clx 18 and boy was it easier.
So I want an slx 18 for 80% of my work I think it will suffice, gardiners don't recommend removing sections from my slx 27 as what's left wont be insulated which is a shame as it would be problem solved for naught.
I considered buying the slx extension for the 18 but that would give me a 22 which is only 1 less than the 27 and they don't seem to do an extension that would give me an 18 that would be insulated if you catch my drift.
What size pole does everyone use day in day out??
Obviously some people are going to say stop being a wimp etc etc btu after doing 200kg deadlifts and 120k squats yesterday in the gym then I hope I can be excused for not wanting to lug a heavier pole around all day.
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18 extreme with a spare section if needed to make a 22
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do like the sound of it but a bit too pricey, I'm having trouble convincing the missus about 2 slx 18s at this very moment.
anyhow dont they snap too easy?
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I worked with an SLX18 for a couple of years as it reached 90% of my work and used an SLX25 for those jobs it couldnt reach. However, some of it was at full reach and I was on tip toes with the 18. So when I broke it last year I opted to sell what was left for spares or repair for £60 on fleabay and treat myself to the latest Xtreme 22.
So far it's been a real pleasure to use. I coupled it with an Xtreme Natural Hybrid brush. Now those long reaches over large conny roofs are so much easier.
Are they as robust as an SLX? No! But they're not made of eggshels either. I'd say unless you're accident prone or heavy handed, you'll be fine I'm sure.
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I use a slx25 for most of my work, but my slx47 a lot, sometimes with it's extensions, and when I have my oppo working with me I use my slx30.
Your post has made me wonder if I should get an 18 for shops and houses, might not be a bad idea.
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up until the last few weeks it hasn't been a problem, its never crossed my mind that its too heavy but now I'm working much more I'm feeling worn out in hours 6,7,8.
after working with the clx on the odd occasion the difference is massive, and I can scrub quicker too.
I'm a bigish lad at 6 3" and a solid 200lbs but I think I need to get smart about things as my neck, left shoulder and wrist are all showing signs of wear and things are getting busier all the time.
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I worked with an SLX18 for a couple of years as it reached 90% of my work and used an SLX25 for those jobs it couldnt reach. However, some of it was at full reach and I was on tip toes with the 18. So when I broke it last year I opted to sell what was left for spares or repair for £60 on fleabay and treat myself to the latest Xtreme 22.
So far it's been a real pleasure to use. I coupled it with an Xtreme Natural Hybrid brush. Now those long reaches over large conny roofs are so much easier.
Are they as robust as an SLX? No! But they're not made of eggshels either. I'd say unless you're accident prone or heavy handed, you'll be fine I'm sure.
accident prone? not really but the slx 27 at full stretch over a vertical can be hard to control sometimes so does get knocked about a bit.
heavy handed? I think yes, sometimes when I'm scrubbing a large pane I can almost feel the glass and frame bending.
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If your going to the gym then train according to your needs. Rather than heavy weights train for endurance instead and that will help you.
I use a slx25 which handles most of my work though im thinking of getting an extension pole for the odd new houses ive picked up recently.
Are you using the full length of the slx 27, cause your a big lad at 6.3. Im just shy of 6ft and i can get most 2nd storey windows etc. Only ones i struggle with are down to the length of extension on the houses so I cant get the angle.
But if your doing normal 2 storey size houses and at 6ft 3 the 25 should be ok for you.
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I use an SLX 25 for most work and xtreme 47 for anything higher.
Work shorter days or you ll end up with injuries by the sound of it.keep f/s/g jobs etc to a minimum and use xtreme brushes if your shoulders are sore.
200lb deadlifts won't do you any harm unless your overdoing it or you ve got a back strain.
Do u have weekends off or are you virtually working 7days a week?
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I use an SLX 25 for most work and xtreme 47 for anything higher.
Work shorter days or you ll end up with injuries by the sound of it.keep f/s/g jobs etc to a minimum and use xtreme brushes if your shoulders are sore.
200lb deadlifts won't do you any harm unless your overdoing it or you ve got a back strain.
Do u have weekends off or are you virtually working 7days a week?
200 kilo deads mate!
I'm working 7 days for the last 7-8 weeks but Sundays are usually 2-3 hours, its only for a few months while I'm building up more work for a part time employee then I'm going to scale back eventually to 3 days, hopefully by next summer.
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If your going to the gym then train according to your needs. Rather than heavy weights train for endurance instead and that will help you.
I use a slx25 which handles most of my work though im thinking of getting an extension pole for the odd new houses ive picked up recently.
Are you using the full length of the slx 27, cause your a big lad at 6.3. Im just shy of 6ft and i can get most 2nd storey windows etc. Only ones i struggle with are down to the length of extension on the houses so I cant get the angle.
But if your doing normal 2 storey size houses and at 6ft 3 the 25 should be ok for you.
your right I should do some endurance but I'm more of a sprinter than a long distance runner, besides I find it harder to do.
the strength training does give me some cardiovascular work and could easily run 3 miles but if doing endurance it would subtract from my strength training .
I feel like work is endurance based at the minute as some days are a challenge when working alone.
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What about just removing sections from slx 27?
is it much of a risk? if not I have a full range of slx at my disposal.
does anyone else do this?
I have some pro 26 connectors in the post so I can diy tubeless so removal should be easy enough.
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I use blue tooth earphones for work which are great as you dont have wires dangling with the jack ones. But i only have one in the ear so i can still have a conversation when customers come etc.
Yet i find sticking some tunes on or listening to a podcast helps the day to go by
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I use blue tooth earphones for work which are great as you dont have wires dangling with the jack ones. But i only have one in the ear so i can still have a conversation when customers come etc.
Yet i find sticking some tunes on or listening to a podcast helps the day to go by
when I say working alone I mean doing 2 mens worth of work on my own.
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I use an SLX 25 for most work and xtreme 47 for anything higher.
Work shorter days or you ll end up with injuries by the sound of it.keep f/s/g jobs etc to a minimum and use xtreme brushes if your shoulders are sore.
200lb deadlifts won't do you any harm unless your overdoing it or you ve got a back strain.
Do u have weekends off or are you virtually working 7days a week?
Why would you only use an extreme brush if your shoulders are sore ? either the brush is up to the job or it isn't, if its up to the job then use it sore shoulders or not.
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Yes Paul WFP is hard, thing is when doing it day in and day out its easy to forget this until something gives, an SLX is all right
for an everyday pole at 22ft and below but above that a extreme pole is a must, that said a CLX with an extreme brush will still be
easier to use than a extreme pole with a brick on the end.
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Take sections off. I always have.
My first carbon pole was an SLX35 which I ran as a "20" and just added the extra sections when I needed them.
Now I run a "20" Extreme for my general work. Never worried about it being insulated. Just be careful.
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If the poles wet any electrical current will jump wherever it wants anyway, so I'd just get some base caps for the narrower sections.
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So your building the round up so you can take on a part timer and for you to do less work. In order to do this your working 7 days a week compared to what?
How many days were it before?
Point being, you must be making a bit of extra money now and probably enough to pay a part timer now. So why dont you? Build up the extra work when you have the part timer with you. That way you can train them if need be and its not taking away from your usual turnover because its all the extra your doing now. Start investing now so your not running yourselve into the ground before you even get your master plan working
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I use an SLX 25 for most work and xtreme 47 for anything higher.
Work shorter days or you ll end up with injuries by the sound of it.keep f/s/g jobs etc to a minimum and use xtreme brushes if your shoulders are sore.
200lb deadlifts won't do you any harm unless your overdoing it or you ve got a back strain.
Do u have weekends off or are you virtually working 7days a week?
Why would you only use an extreme brush if your shoulders are sore ? either the brush is up to the job or it isn't, if its up to the job then use it sore shoulders or not.
extreme brushes do the job but i prefer a "meatier" brush esp for larger jobs that are on a longer frequency.they also wear out really quickly and not great for upper sills (you have to be extra careful not to mark them).
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I use an SLX 25 for most work and xtreme 47 for anything higher.
Work shorter days or you ll end up with injuries by the sound of it.keep f/s/g jobs etc to a minimum and use xtreme brushes if your shoulders are sore.
200lb deadlifts won't do you any harm unless your overdoing it or you ve got a back strain.
Do u have weekends off or are you virtually working 7days a week?
200 kilo deads mate!
I'm working 7 days for the last 7-8 weeks but Sundays are usually 2-3 hours, its only for a few months while I'm building up more work for a part time employee then I'm going to scale back eventually to 3 days, hopefully by next summer.
you cant expect to work 7 days a week and lift heavy weights in the gym and not to have problems after a while.slow down and get a part timer on board.
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I use an SLX 25 for most work and xtreme 47 for anything higher.
Work shorter days or you ll end up with injuries by the sound of it.keep f/s/g jobs etc to a minimum and use xtreme brushes if your shoulders are sore.
200lb deadlifts won't do you any harm unless your overdoing it or you ve got a back strain.
Do u have weekends off or are you virtually working 7days a week?
200 kilo deads mate!
I'm working 7 days for the last 7-8 weeks but Sundays are usually 2-3 hours, its only for a few months while I'm building up more work for a part time employee then I'm going to scale back eventually to 3 days, hopefully by next summer.
you cant expect to work 7 days a week and lift heavy weights in the gym and not to have problems after a while.slow down and get a part timer on board.
sounds like good advice I just feel too busy to think about going through the process of taking on with advertising, interviews, health and safety policy, forms etc etc but I do realise I'm a busy fool at the minute.
I justify it to myself because its only a short term thing, a means to an end!
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the strength training does give me some cardiovascular work and could easily run 3 miles but if doing endurance it would subtract from my strength training .
Hi Paul I'm a lazy sod as gym goes but do some training in my garage.
200 k deadlift I can't do half that yet but getting there.
kettle bell swing for useable strength plus endurance.
Aerobic and anaerobic.
Check out Tracey reifkind on youtube.
Pavels ok but think you can injury yourself keeping up with him.
Only thing more effective is uphill skiing 😁
Heard mixed reports on extreme poles regarding longevity.
Not sure of extreme poles some say not great on longevity
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I use extreme poles and brushes, that's it!
This year I got diagnosed with Coeliac disease, which means my body doesn't absorb my food properly (so I am quite slim). Apparently i've had it all my life! (which explains why i've never been able to put on weight).
Since then, I have put on some weight but, for me, the extreme poles have literally been a life line.
Find someone local to you and try one out, then you can make your own decision.
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I stand corrected ;D
Sorry to hear about your health problems Robbo!
Regarding extreme pole is it that you can only clamp the pole on the marked part of each section?
Also you have to be disciplined on maintenance for the extreme.
Thanks lee
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I use extreme poles and brushes, that's it!
This year I got diagnosed with Coeliac disease, which means my body doesn't absorb my food properly (so I am quite slim). Apparently i've had it all my life! (which explains why i've never been able to put on weight).
Since then, I have put on some weight but, for me, the extreme poles have literally been a life line.
Find someone local to you and try one out, then you can make your own decision.
ordered an x3 18 yesterday with an ultimate brush, bit heavier than the extreme but lighter than what I'm currently using.
cant wait for delivery.
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Lee, you can clamp the pole in any position and I occasionally give it a rub over with a clean cloth once a week. More importantly, be careful when using it, rest it only on the ground, never too much pressure, don’t drop it etc. Sounds a bit like you have to neuture it but you get used to it and it is very quick to use.
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Paul, get yourself the natural bristle extreme brush to go with your pole. See how quick you can work 😀
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Paul, get yourself the natural bristle extreme brush to go with your pole. See how quick you can work 😀
what they like on stubborn grime etc though?
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I use extreme poles and brushes, that's it!
This year I got diagnosed with Coeliac disease, which means my body doesn't absorb my food properly (so I am quite slim). Apparently i've had it all my life! (which explains why i've never been able to put on weight).
Since then, I have put on some weight but, for me, the extreme poles have literally been a life line.
Find someone local to you and try one out, then you can make your own decision.
ordered an x3 18 yesterday with an ultimate brush, bit heavier than the extreme but lighter than what I'm currently using.
cant wait for delivery.
Good luck with the Ultimate brush Paul, can honestly say it the worst brush Iv ever used, I used mine for almost three weeks
just to give it a fair try , finally binned it in a fit of rage when I seen the state of my own windows in full sun from the inside.
No worthwhile splay, a gap in the middle and the constant need to adjust the resi neck to get the brush sitting right on the glass, plus absolutely useless on sills.
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For the chap who is working flat out seven days a week WHY? Are you really desperate for money? My best friend is less than a year older than me and is a builder who use to work flat out seven days a week and had two heart attacks, nearly killed himself, you can't take it with you to heaven when you're gone and leave everyone behind.
Seriously look into getting a casual worker or part timer to begin with or cut down your work before you end up seriously ill. Work is just a means to an end, enjoy the journey, not the destination.
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Paul, get yourself the natural bristle extreme brush to go with your pole. See how quick you can work 😀
what they like on stubborn grime etc though?
I like them. The natural bristle one will remove snail trails fairly easily and feels lovely over the glass.
The stiff one I use on first cleans, or if I feel a little splash and dash coming on.
In fact, this week I cleaned the side of a upvc conservatory that had just been revealed after a greenhouse and plants had been removed; they'd been there for years. Took me about 10 mins with an xtreme stiff and some screwfix degreaser.
These brushes aren't to everyone's taste but they work for me.
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For the chap who is working flat out seven days a week WHY? Are you really desperate for money? My best friend is less than a year older than me and is a builder who use to work flat out seven days a week and had two heart attacks, nearly killed himself, you can't take it with you to heaven when you're gone and leave everyone behind.
Seriously look into getting a casual worker or part timer to begin with or cut down your work before you end up seriously ill. Work is just a means to an end, enjoy the journey, not the destination.
its just a short term thing, I'm off all day tomorrow going ikea with the wife.
I work hard now so next year I don't have to.
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I use extreme poles and brushes, that's it!
This year I got diagnosed with Coeliac disease, which means my body doesn't absorb my food properly (so I am quite slim). Apparently i've had it all my life! (which explains why i've never been able to put on weight).
Since then, I have put on some weight but, for me, the extreme poles have literally been a life line.
Find someone local to you and try one out, then you can make your own decision.
ordered an x3 18 yesterday with an ultimate brush, bit heavier than the extreme but lighter than what I'm currently using.
cant wait for delivery.
Good luck with the Ultimate brush Paul, can honestly say it the worst brush Iv ever used, I used mine for almost three weeks
just to give it a fair try , finally binned it in a fit of rage when I seen the state of my own windows in full sun from the inside.
No worthwhile splay, a gap in the middle and the constant need to adjust the resi neck to get the brush sitting right on the glass, plus absolutely useless on sills.
That bad?
I have other brushes I can use instead if no good, I just went for it because its light(er) and short bristles, I'm not into the whole splay thing.
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For the chap who is working flat out seven days a week WHY? Are you really desperate for money? My best friend is less than a year older than me and is a builder who use to work flat out seven days a week and had two heart attacks, nearly killed himself, you can't take it with you to heaven when you're gone and leave everyone behind.
Seriously look into getting a casual worker or part timer to begin with or cut down your work before you end up seriously ill. Work is just a means to an end, enjoy the journey, not the destination.
its just a short term thing, I'm off all day tomorrow going ikea with the wife.
I work hard now so next year I don't have to.
Id rather work then go there,hate the place ;D
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For the chap who is working flat out seven days a week WHY? Are you really desperate for money? My best friend is less than a year older than me and is a builder who use to work flat out seven days a week and had two heart attacks, nearly killed himself, you can't take it with you to heaven when you're gone and leave everyone behind.
Seriously look into getting a casual worker or part timer to begin with or cut down your work before you end up seriously ill. Work is just a means to an end, enjoy the journey, not the destination.
its just a short term thing, I'm off all day tomorrow going ikea with the wife.
I work hard now so next year I don't have to.
Id rather work then go there,hate the place ;D
you don't like meatballs and jam??
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Best thing about ikea is the restaurant.
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For the chap who is working flat out seven days a week WHY? Are you really desperate for money? My best friend is less than a year older than me and is a builder who use to work flat out seven days a week and had two heart attacks, nearly killed himself, you can't take it with you to heaven when you're gone and leave everyone behind.
Seriously look into getting a casual worker or part timer to begin with or cut down your work before you end up seriously ill. Work is just a means to an end, enjoy the journey, not the destination.
its just a short term thing, I'm off all day tomorrow going ikea with the wife.
I work hard now so next year I don't have to.
Id rather work then go there,hate the place ;D
you don't like meatballs and jam??
for what they sell them for i doubt there's any meat in them
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(Not window cleaning related)
Ikea are going up near us soon. Ikea has to be the worst furniture anywhere. It is so bland. No style, no character, absolutely boring flat pack rubbish on the planet ;D Prefer proper solid antique with real style.
Just had to get it off my chest IKea sucks big time
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I think the ultimate is great! Maybe your not using it right lol
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What size pole does everyone use day in day out??
Obviously some people are going to say stop being a wimp etc etc btu after doing 200kg deadlifts and 120k squats yesterday in the gym then I hope I can be excused for not wanting to lug a heavier pole around all day.
Something doesn't add up.........
I'm a bigish lad at 6 3" and a solid 200lbs but I think I need to get smart about things as my neck, left shoulder and wrist are all showing signs of wear and things are getting busier all the time.
I'm in my mid fifties, 6 foot and 10 stone with a wet towel around me and i use a clx 27 all day every day and have done for years. And i don't think i could lift 200KG and a squat to me is something i do when i go the toilet.
From what i can see its pretty useless going the gym to get stronger and fitter when you aint actually getting stronger or fitter !! ;D I smoke and drink and if i can do it then something is going badly wrong for you.
My guess is, based on your choice of going for a shorter pole and given your shoulder and neck problems is that you have a poor technique. I also reckon going for a shorter pole will exacerbate your problems.
Its often mooted here and elswhere that an 18 footer will do 90% of our work. It probably will if you have a crap tecnique and stand almost under the window pushing up (unessecarily) and at the same time trying to force the brush head against the glass (some muscular feat in itself). Far better to have a 22ft or even a 27 ft and stand well back, as far as you can comfortably go back and let the brush do the work. Your hands shouldn't be coming anywhere as near as high as your shoulders, your neck will not be crinked up looking at a window. In Gym terms your arms should only be doing Curls and not lifts. Anyway technique is what its all about.
You're about to employ someone too ? Go for a meat head out the gym who doesn't think too much and he'll shove that pole up and down all day long, well untill he's knackered..... then you can get another one !!! ;D
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I have deducted as much myself, its not what you do but the way you do it.
I have found myself to be tensed up a lot when working but I'm not always aware of it, it just comes into my awareness once in a while. I find if do try and concentrate on staying relaxed its a lot less effort cleaning windows and makes a noticeable difference at the end of the day. The hard thing for me is staying aware of my physical state whilst concentrating on what cleaning windows.
I think my posture is also not as good as it should be and my neck issues boil down to that, I now try to keep my chin tucked in when looking up as much as I can as I found that causes the least stress on my neck.
Its just a real challenge mentally to spread my awareness across all these different aspects when trying to complete one task.
I'm trying to unlearn 39 years worth of bad habits with regards to my posture whilst doing my job! I suppose its like learning to drive all over again with all the different tasks being carried out simultaneously. I'll get there.
I think the 18 pole will do most of my work as I do a lot of bungalows on some days so it'll come into its own there. I do know what you mean about having to lift your arms above your head and if need be I can add an extension at some point.
S o I think you could be right, its not what I'm doing but the way that I'm doing it!
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if you rinse brush on that ll save a lot of strain.also if you stand further back(if possible)you wont be looking up as much.
i find the ultimate brushes are a good lightweight brush.not too weedy like an extreme but not a brick like a SL. ;D
why do you want to lift such heavy weights in the gym by the way?i train quite hard 3 times a week but i know not to push it too much as i dont want to give myself an injury that could keep me off work(or out of the gym).its a fine line.im also 46 so it takes me a little longer sometimes to recover.its took 4 days for my legs to stop aching after last wednesdays session! ;D
im fine though and i think weight training has helped with wfp window cleaning.i hardly ever get any aches and pains from a days work.
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If ou are doing lots of bungalows get a clx4 I have one with a gardiner gooseneck valve (I'm a univalve man on all my other poles) the speed you can work at is crazy and the weight is non existent I suffer with an old shoulder injury so going light for me as helped no end.
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If ou are doing lots of bungalows get a clx4 I have one with a gardiner gooseneck valve (I'm a univalve man on all my other poles) the speed you can work at is crazy and the weight is non existent I suffer with an old shoulder injury so going light for me as helped no end.
ive got a clx 4 but i only use it for cleaning the van!i find a closed slx 25 fine for bungalows(although i dont have many on my round)
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if you rinse brush on that ll save a lot of strain.also if you stand further back(if possible)you wont be looking up as much.
i find the ultimate brushes are a good lightweight brush.not too weedy like an extreme but not a brick like a SL. ;D
why do you want to lift such heavy weights in the gym by the way?i train quite hard 3 times a week but i know not to push it too much as i dont want to give myself an injury that could keep me off work(or out of the gym).its a fine line.im also 46 so it takes me a little longer sometimes to recover.its took 4 days for my legs to stop aching after last wednesdays session! ;D
im fine though and i think weight training has helped with wfp window cleaning.i hardly ever get any aches and pains from a days work.
I went on a cut this year and dropped 20lbs of weight and with it I lost a lot of strength so I am regaining that strength by trainng 2 days a week only focusing on compound lifts only so volume is lower to account for the intensity which is still only at 85-90%, I never go to failure ever! this helps immensely with recovery!
I have an ultimate brush in the post as I don't like the idea of an ultimate for the same reason you stated.
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Also the rinsing on "thing" is great, cuts down on lots of things but I have been getting mixed results with that.
I spend more time rinsing on than what other people talk about doing yet I find some windows have spots?
Other windows are fine but some will terrible, my water is always 000-005 at worst and I find I still cant get 100% clean windows rinsing on.
Wish I could crack that 1.
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Also the rinsing on "thing" is great, cuts down on lots of things but I have been getting mixed results with that.
I spend more time rinsing on than what other people talk about doing yet I find some windows have spots?
Other windows are fine but some will terrible, my water is always 000-005 at worst and I find I still cant get 100% clean windows rinsing on.
Wish I could crack that 1.
Be mindful of which windows do this and change your technique on these ones on future cleans.
I have a handful like this and found there are a number of reasons why. But with a small change the problem is fixed. Thats with rinsing on a tds as high as 009.
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Also the rinsing on "thing" is great, cuts down on lots of things but I have been getting mixed results with that.
I spend more time rinsing on than what other people talk about doing yet I find some windows have spots?
Other windows are fine but some will terrible, my water is always 000-005 at worst and I find I still cant get 100% clean windows rinsing on.
Wish I could crack that 1.
Be mindful of which windows do this and change your technique on these ones on future cleans.
I have a handful like this and found there are a number of reasons why. But with a small change the problem is fixed. Thats with rinsing on a tds as high as 009.
I'm thinking maybe on problem windows I could rinse off at the top until I'm happy its clean there and continue to rinse on the rest of the way down, slightly defeating the object though?
Maybe you wouldn't mind doing a video showing how you do this Nathan?
Cheers.
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;D ;D
What type of windows are you refering to. Windows that have top openers above the main windows??
Or are you talking of upstairs windows dripping on the ones below?? Tho im guessing its not this latter as i take it you know how to do this.
Or is it problematic seals which are causing the problem? Because if it isnt happening every time it has to be more the window than your technique 👍
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What type of windows are you refering to. Windows that have top openers above the main windows??
Or are you talking of upstairs windows dripping on the ones below?? Tho im guessing its not this latter as i take it you know how to do this.
Or is it problematic seals which are causing the problem? Because if it isnt happening every time it has to be more the window than your technique 👍
I think it may be the type of window that is phobic around the edges and in the corners but phillic in the middle, you know the ones were the silicone is around the edges but not in the middle of the pane?
They seem to spot in the corners, I think to remedy this its best to rinse off here in the corners and edges.
I like to check any new techniques I use afterwards when dry but don't always have the time so if I cant go back later I wont try anything new, so until I get this technique down properly I cant use it all the time.
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do like the sound of it but a bit too pricey, I'm having trouble convincing the missus about 2 slx 18s at this very moment.
anyhow dont they snap too easy?
I haven't read the posts, but the SLX doesn't snap easy and will last you for years, if you look after and maintain them properly.
We use SLX 18 and it does the vast majority of our work, and Wor Lass is a short arse at 5' 1" tall.
I've made my first two sections 'modular' (just removed some tape) and work with an external pole hose. This means after I've finished 'the tops', I drop one section of the pole and then just remove the top two sections, meaning it's just an ultra light short pole for the ground floor.
Easy peasy.
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Training in the gym being 16 stone ripped won’t help you with WFP it’s tecnique as Daz has said rinsing on and cleaning from the right angle is what it’s all about,and tbh some people’s bodies are not as strong as other people’s. I was speaking to a trad cleaner the other day he’s in his forty’s and his knees have gone already so think yourself lucky,a regular massage helps no end especially the last 2 minutes 😂
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do like the sound of it but a bit too pricey, I'm having trouble convincing the missus about 2 slx 18s at this very moment.
anyhow dont they snap too easy?
I haven't read the posts, but the SLX doesn't snap easy and will last you for years, if you look after and maintain them properly.
We use SLX 18 and it does the vast majority of our work, and Wor Lass is a short arse at 5' 1" tall.
I've made my first two sections 'modular' (just removed some tape) and work with an external pole hose. This means after I've finished 'the tops', I drop one section of the pole and then just remove the top two sections, meaning it's just an ultra light short pole for the ground floor.
Easy peasy.
I believe you have not read the posts.
I was talking about the extreme.
I had one delivered(extreme) and an extreme brush with natural bristle, looking forward to using it tomorrow.
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Easiest way to get the right position is to adjust the brush so it sits flat against the glass whilst resting the brush against the sill with the base of the pole touching the ground and roughly the same angle as you would use a ladder or slightly further away from the building if possible. Pivot on both legs using your toes in a rocking motion instead of standing in one spot pushing your arms up and down with the pole so much.
Find what feels the right position, use the correct technique, when you have found it, stop thinking about it, switch off and it just becomes natural without the aches and pains. Keep brush on the glass for rinsing as there's no need to lift the brush off the glass and it's slower rinsing brush off most of the time anyway. All glass can be cleaned brush on except ancient metal frames where the colour runs off on metal frames and gives a milky white mix with the water so it's easy to spot.
I don't bother with weight training, lifting weights, etc, get enough exercise at work. Work is all the exercise I need and it keeps me supple and not muscle bound as I prefer an all round level of fitness rather than an impractical muscle builder look which limits flexibility.
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Training in the gym being 16 stone ripped won’t help you with WFP it’s tecnique as Daz has said rinsing on and cleaning from the right angle
Being fit does help. I've been running lots and lots of slow miles (I have an ultra marathon (46 miles in the Brecon Beacons) in about eight days). And I've been weight training for about 20 months too.
And my work rate is phenomenal.
I don't think it's just about waggling the pole about, it's all that time we spend on our feet.
The fitter and stronger you are, then everything else - when it comes to moving - just gets easier.
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Training in the gym being 16 stone ripped won’t help you with WFP it’s tecnique as Daz has said rinsing on and cleaning from the right angle
Being fit does help. I've been running lots and lots of slow miles (I have an ultra marathon (46 miles in the Brecon Beacons) in about eight days). And I've been weight training for about 20 months too.
And my work rate is phenomenal.
I don't think it's just about waggling the pole about, it's all that time we spend on our feet.
The fitter and stronger you are, then everything else - when it comes to moving - just gets easier.
i agree.nearly 2 years weight training(taking it seriously)now tosh and awkward windows over connys etc are easier and the general strains of wfp have eased as ive got stronger and built more muscle.
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Why is every avoiding the true issue.You cannot work 7 days and then do so many weights as well. Your body is telling you there is something wrong. Pay heed before you kill yourself. Take a day off and reduce the weights as you are already having a workout on the job. Get your head right, you are not Superman.
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I have focused in on the main problem and its the back of the neck muscles that are being overworked, even when doing downstairs windows I cant stop myself from pulling my head back, its painful and frustrating!
The shoulder issue is from having my arm out front of my body and raised.
No matter how hard I try to stop as soon as I'm busy cleaning I notice I have slipped back into the same position, the neck thing is causing me massive headaches too.
I have an appointment with someone to see about physiotherapy or the like tomorrow, I need to sort this out as I feel sick with the pain most days.
On Monday I got half way through work and just felt like going home and lying down but couldn't as I wont have the work falling behind as that is even more stressful .
has anyone tried one of these?http://www.cleaningspot.co.uk/acatalog/Necprotech-neck-Support-Brace-NECK.html#SID=20
I reckon it could be just what I need.
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I have focused in on the main problem and its the back of the neck muscles that are being overworked, even when doing downstairs windows I cant stop myself from pulling my head back, its painful and frustrating!
The shoulder issue is from having my arm out front of my body and raised.
No matter how hard I try to stop as soon as I'm busy cleaning I notice I have slipped back into the same position, the neck thing is causing me massive headaches too.
I have an appointment with someone to see about physiotherapy or the like tomorrow, I need to sort this out as I feel sick with the pain most days.
On Monday I got half way through work and just felt like going home and lying down but couldn't as I wont have the work falling behind as that is even more stressful .
has anyone tried one of these?http://www.cleaningspot.co.uk/acatalog/Necprotech-neck-Support-Brace-NECK.html#SID=20
I reckon it could be just what I need.
I've slackened off, because I'm tapering for a race, but when I'm training hard, I'll spend 20 to 30 minutes, every evening, stretching.
And I do lots of neck stretching too, whilst I'm sat 'zazen' (a kind of stretch of the ankles and knees).
So I can stretch me neck and bits of my legs at the same time.
I know you weight train, but do you stretch? And your neck in particular?
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No I don't, but I do know I should!
I have been thinking about this of late, I'm 39 now and have had to reduce my training intensity on the weights and cycle my intensity as well. No more training to failure either as I just cant take it anymore like I once could, I even go as far as warming up and cooling down which I have never ever done. My warm up is 5 mins on the jogger type machine and cool down is a 5 min walk around the block after training, I do this mainly because I suffer from heart palpitations/ectopic beats so am trying to be a bit friendlier the old ticker.
I would like to stay fit and active for a long time to come so I feel I need a motility routine that I can do maybe once per week as a start. Something that will keep my supple and help support my joints etc. where is a good place to start with this whey-aye?
I feel I should do some cardio as well but strength training is cardiovascular somewhat, and besides I went kickboxing a few months ago and as an x armature kickboxer I thought ill just go crazy for an hour and was surprised by my fitness level. So was the instructor who couldn't believe I don't do any cardio at all. But for 3-4 days after the palps were the worst they have ever been 2,3and 4 in a row it was proper scary. Put me right off doing that again!
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a bit of basic yoga stretching should sort you out.even 10 mins every day should help.remember RECOVERY and REST are just as important as the exercise.
im 46 and dont have neck ache or shoulder pain.
you should ALWAYS warm up before a workout.i do 5 or 10 mins on the stationary bike to raise my core temperature or 5 mins on the rowing machine or rope tucks to warm up my mid section followed by a light set of whatever exercise im doing first.
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Something that will keep my supple and help support my joints etc. where is a good place to start with this whey-aye?
There's loads of stuff on youtube. I 'intuitively stretch'. The bits of me that are the stiffest, get the most attention. That's my calves, usually, and feet.
I feel I should do some cardio as well but strength training is cardiovascular somewhat, and besides I went kickboxing a few months ago and as an x armature kickboxer I thought ill just go crazy for an hour and was surprised by my fitness level. So was the instructor who couldn't believe I don't do any cardio at all. But for 3-4 days after the palps were the worst they have ever been 2,3and 4 in a row it was proper scary. Put me right off doing that again!
I think aerobic exercise is better than high-intensity cardio. Keep the cardio to a small percentage of your overall training and when you run/bike/any other machine, just keep it at an easy pace and increase volume if you've time.
A really good book on the subject of healthy athleticism is anything by Mark Sissons (I recommend Primal Blueprint or Primal Endurance).
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im 46 and dont have neck ache or shoulder pain.
Don't your m00bs give you back problems?
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Swimming is great for all muscles , no strain on joints and after good half hour/ swim do a lot of stretches in water.