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Title: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 11, 2017, 06:43:35 pm
i dont often do it but just got back off holiday last sat,lots of work due plus a few first cleans from new jobs id picked up before i went away plus im getting the odd current customer ringing to ask where ive been even though im only a week behind my normal schedule! ::)roll ;D

2 people today asked me to clean theirs (right next door to each other too) but i really couldnt be bothered.i know the guy who cleans down there(70 yr old trad windy)they say he s hopeless and dont have him anymore.its a nice little cul de sac so i might go back and canvass it when im on top of my workload again.i was only down there to clean a one off for an existing customer!

anyone else get this?

 (walk ups/phone calls/texts for new jobs when your already snowed under?)

Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Cookie on October 11, 2017, 07:11:05 pm
Most of the time!

I have been referring them onto another windie but I think he's full now as well.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Shrek on October 11, 2017, 07:18:07 pm
I don’t turn work away , I usually take them on at a higher price than normal. And then consider sacking off a lower paid job
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 11, 2017, 07:54:06 pm
I don’t turn work away , I usually take them on at a higher price than normal. And then consider sacking off a lower paid job

me too usually if their easy access jobs.ive had a dodgy stomach since i got back from egypt though and ive generally not felt very well.its cleared up now but ive got a sore throat now and feel like im coming down with a cold! ::)roll.im taking a week off from the gym too as i cant remember the last time i did.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Shrek on October 11, 2017, 07:58:58 pm
Where’s there’s blame there’s a claim ! £2000 compo you’d get  ;D
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Stoots on October 11, 2017, 08:53:35 pm
Not really

I find i lose a few gain a few but generally i find i need to have a constant drip of marketting to keep it topped up.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on October 11, 2017, 08:59:07 pm
I turn FAR MORE work away than I take on......there is only so much refining you can do and only so many hours in a day.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Stoots on October 11, 2017, 09:01:17 pm
I turn FAR MORE work away than I take on......there is only so much refining you can do and only so many hours in a day.

I can see how you can get to this point, im still building so still advertising and dropping bad payers etc , but as i get more good customers on board and less dross i will get to the point of not being able to take on anymore i suppose.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: mufcglen on October 11, 2017, 09:07:13 pm
I’m the same I been thinking about removing the contact no on my van and just keep the logo and possibly taking any of my online presence down, I’m working smarter earning more for less but feel I’m getting as much as I want to earn and work for myself, they won’t stop bloody mithering me and those regular customer do my nut in thinking they’re doing you a favour constantly getting you they’re neighbours or family members :D
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: robbo333 on October 11, 2017, 09:14:11 pm
I turn down about 50 percent of all new enquiries.
1. because i'm too busy
2. because they sound like messers.
3. can't be bothered
There are a couple of guys starting up soon, near me, so they can have all the stuff I don't want. It will be good practice for them.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Cookie on October 11, 2017, 11:02:37 pm
I’m the same I been thinking about removing the contact no on my van and just keep the logo and possibly taking any of my online presence down

This is why I like my magnetic signs. I can add/remove them when & where I want. TBH I usually don't stick the signs on these days because I've got plenty of work.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: nathankaye on October 11, 2017, 11:53:28 pm
It goes to show that the market isnt saturated yet then  ;D

It also shows how; if ones wanted to, can grow their business by taking on employees and perhaps have more vans on the road. So i guess it depends on your goals. For me it isnt to work myself into the ground, i could take on much more work but im comfortable where I am at the moment and so I either turn them down or pass onto other lads I know who work the areas.

However to answer the question "if you get more work when your snowed under".....NO but funny enough i get alot of walk ups and enquiries when im working in the rain
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 12, 2017, 07:57:29 am
It goes to show that the market isnt saturated yet then  ;D

It also shows how; if ones wanted to, can grow their business by taking on employees and perhaps have more vans on the road. So i guess it depends on your goals. For me it isnt to work myself into the ground, i could take on much more work but im comfortable where I am at the moment and so I either turn them down or pass onto other lads I know who work the areas.

However to answer the question "if you get more work when your snowed under".....NO but funny enough i get alot of walk ups and enquiries when im working in the rain

theres loads of window cleaners where i work nathan(at least 20+ window cleaning companies in my area).the thing is its not just about the service.if they dont like you or your face doesnt fit their not going to have you cleaning their windows.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: lee_dewing on October 12, 2017, 09:19:39 am
Daz.

Maybe 2 monthly, high price :)

Understand, I turn down about 90% of new enquiries.

Alot of website enquiries are 1 off's;  fsg or Connie cleans.

Just happiest going round the beaten path, easy life ;D

Having said that I'm actually bang up to date on my round.

So going out later to do an end of tenancy clean.
Couple of hours.
All windows outside and Connie roof.

Connie roof is 5 panels in a straight line.
If the letting agent doesn't show I'm not cleaning 😁
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 12, 2017, 06:17:50 pm
Daz.

Maybe 2 monthly, high price :)

Understand, I turn down about 90% of new enquiries.

Alot of website enquiries are 1 off's;  fsg or Connie cleans.

Just happiest going round the beaten path, easy life ;D

Having said that I'm actually bang up to date on my round.

So going out later to do an end of tenancy clean.
Couple of hours.
All windows outside and Connie roof.

Connie roof is 5 panels in a straight line.
If the letting agent doesn't show I'm not cleaning 😁

ive not even got a website lee!no need.your right though mate i should of took them on 2 monthly which is what i usually do  with most new customers at higher prices.i think i was having an "off" day.its took a while to adjust to the  british weather after a week in the hot egyptian sun. :)
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Missing Link on October 12, 2017, 06:57:52 pm
It depends on the kind of work.  Had a phone call today, the lady sounded nice, but I know the street and it's not upmarket.  Parking problems too.

I didn't know how to say "Sorry, pet, but I don't think you're rich enough" so I said I'd come and quote.

I very probably won't. :'(
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: lee_dewing on October 12, 2017, 10:01:46 pm
Quote
ive not even got a website lee!no need.your right though mate i should of took them on 2 monthly which is what i usually do  with most new customers at higher prices.i think i was having an "off" day.its took a while to adjust to the  british weather after a week in the hot egyptian sun. :)

😁 yep can take a week or so to get back in the swing of things.


Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: AuRavelling79 on October 12, 2017, 10:25:39 pm
It depends on the kind of work.  Had a phone call today, the lady sounded nice, but I know the street and it's not upmarket.  Parking problems too.

I didn't know how to say "Sorry, pet, but I don't think you're rich enough" so I said I'd come and quote.

I very probably won't. :'(

Neighbour?
 ;D
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Miko67 on October 12, 2017, 11:13:33 pm
Mrs :-0
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: JandS on October 12, 2017, 11:47:24 pm
Half pint millionaires are back....you must all be on at least £200 per day judging by comments....you turn work away...then work in ping down rain...lol
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: JackieW on October 13, 2017, 07:14:34 am
anyone else get this?

 (walk ups/phone calls/texts for new jobs when your already snowed under?)

No.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: colin bird on October 13, 2017, 07:33:09 am
Half pint millionaires are back....you must all be on at least £200 per day judging by comments....you turn work away...then work in ping down rain...lol

Do some window cleaners earn  less than £200  per day?
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: p1w1 on October 13, 2017, 08:12:21 am
Half pint millionaires are back....you must all be on at least £200 per day judging by comments....you turn work away...then work in ping down rain...lol

Do some window cleaners earn  less than £200  per day?
;D
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 13, 2017, 09:58:37 am
Half pint millionaires are back....you must all be on at least £200 per day judging by comments....you turn work away...then work in ping down rain...lol

id be disappointed if i didnt turn over at least £200 for a full days work.....and yes i work in the rain (or i get behind with my schedule and lose money)and let down my customers.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: nathankaye on October 13, 2017, 10:04:15 am
Half pint millionaires are back....you must all be on at least £200 per day judging by comments....you turn work away...then work in ping down rain...lol

Lets say somebody has a minimum fee of £10 per house (even ones on trad equipment should by rights perhap charge more than wfp cleaners). Would it be hard to clean a minimum of 20 houses in a day??
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: W.booler on October 13, 2017, 02:49:36 pm
 
Half pint millionaires are back....you must all be on at least £200 per day judging by comments....you turn work away...then work in ping down rain...lol
Half pint? There's some on here who couldn't handle a half pint! Is that why they go to places like Saudi Arabia and Iran on holiday, so as not to risk temptation?    8)
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: tlwcs on October 13, 2017, 03:07:52 pm
£200. A day, that's so naughties.
Catch up
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Stoots on October 13, 2017, 04:38:19 pm
£200 is no mean feat in some areas, in my area yes i can do it, but its a full days graft and cant always be arsed to push myself that much

Personally it wouldnt make much sense earning a grand a week unless i was investing it back into growth ( which i will be doing by the way, being a sole trader makes no financial sense in my situation whatsoever) ,otherwise id come out with probably half of it after tax, N.I and child maintenance payments.

For some it might suit but for me it doesnt make sense to earn that much
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 13, 2017, 05:37:06 pm
£200 is no mean feat in some areas, in my area yes i can do it, but its a full days graft and cant always be arsed to push myself that much

Personally it wouldnt make much sense earning a grand a week unless i was investing it back into growth ( which i will be doing by the way, being a sole trader makes no financial sense in my situation whatsoever) ,otherwise id come out with probably half of it after tax, N.I and child maintenance payments.

For some it might suit but for me it doesnt make sense to earn that much

i used to find earning £200 a day impossible adam when i first came on here 9 years ago.i thought other guys on here were telling fibs.now after quite a few price rises and taking on new work at higher prices over the years i find it pretty easy.some days i can earn £250 quite comfortably in 5 hours.others slightly longer.some weeks its under a grand and other weeks a fair bit over.swings and roundabouts.as long as my turnover is around £40k-£45k a year im happy as i can live on that very comfortably.im left with around 30k profit after all taxes,expenses and insurances are taken out.i have around 6 - 7 weeks off a year.(2 wks at xmas,2 or 3 wks for holidays and 1 or 2 for DIY/sickness or really bad weather)
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Stoots on October 13, 2017, 07:00:54 pm
£200 is no mean feat in some areas, in my area yes i can do it, but its a full days graft and cant always be arsed to push myself that much

Personally it wouldnt make much sense earning a grand a week unless i was investing it back into growth ( which i will be doing by the way, being a sole trader makes no financial sense in my situation whatsoever) ,otherwise id come out with probably half of it after tax, N.I and child maintenance payments.

For some it might suit but for me it doesnt make sense to earn that much

i used to find earning £200 a day impossible adam when i first came on here 9 years ago.i thought other guys on here were telling fibs.now after quite a few price rises and taking on new work at higher prices over the years i find it pretty easy.some days i can earn £250 quite comfortably in 5 hours.others slightly longer.some weeks its under a grand and other weeks a fair bit over.swings and roundabouts.as long as my turnover is around £40k-£45k a year im happy as i can live on that very comfortably.im left with around 30k profit after all taxes,expenses and insurances are taken out.i have around 6 - 7 weeks off a year.(2 wks at xmas,2 or 3 wks for holidays and 1 or 2 for DIY/sickness or really bad weather)

I don't find it impossible daz, just hard work..it's definitely doable.

If I worked 9-4 I would do about 200-250

I'm just comfier around the 150 mark,as I don't feel the extra graft is worth  the money, but that's purely down to my financial position and my end goals. I typically work 9-2





Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Dry Clean on October 13, 2017, 07:32:39 pm
Half pint millionaires are back....you must all be on at least £200 per day judging by comments....you turn work away...then work in ping down rain...lol

Do some window cleaners earn  less than £200  per day?

According to HMRC  most wouldn't be getting half of that daily, but then that proves nothing, wink wink.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Dry Clean on October 13, 2017, 07:38:35 pm
£200 is no mean feat in some areas, in my area yes i can do it, but its a full days graft and cant always be arsed to push myself that much

Personally it wouldnt make much sense earning a grand a week unless i was investing it back into growth ( which i will be doing by the way, being a sole trader makes no financial sense in my situation whatsoever) ,otherwise id come out with probably half of it after tax, N.I and child maintenance payments.

For some it might suit but for me it doesnt make sense to earn that much

i used to find earning £200 a day impossible adam when i first came on here 9 years ago.i thought other guys on here were telling fibs.now after quite a few price rises and taking on new work at higher prices over the years i find it pretty easy.some days i can earn £250 quite comfortably in 5 hours.others slightly longer.some weeks its under a grand and other weeks a fair bit over.swings and roundabouts.as long as my turnover is around £40k-£45k a year im happy as i can live on that very comfortably.im left with around 30k profit after all taxes,expenses and insurances are taken out.i have around 6 - 7 weeks off a year.(2 wks at xmas,2 or 3 wks for holidays and 1 or 2 for DIY/sickness or really bad weather)

15k a year expenses, LOL. they must have seen you coming when you bought that new van, bet they closed up the shop and went on a weeks holiday after you left.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Shrek on October 13, 2017, 08:00:41 pm
Earning £45k a year , you would pay £6698 tax & £4420 National insurance.

Take home pay is £33881 , that’s without expenses .... I think  ;D
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 13, 2017, 08:50:59 pm
£200 is no mean feat in some areas, in my area yes i can do it, but its a full days graft and cant always be arsed to push myself that much

Personally it wouldnt make much sense earning a grand a week unless i was investing it back into growth ( which i will be doing by the way, being a sole trader makes no financial sense in my situation whatsoever) ,otherwise id come out with probably half of it after tax, N.I and child maintenance payments.

For some it might suit but for me it doesnt make sense to earn that much

i used to find earning £200 a day impossible adam when i first came on here 9 years ago.i thought other guys on here were telling fibs.now after quite a few price rises and taking on new work at higher prices over the years i find it pretty easy.some days i can earn £250 quite comfortably in 5 hours.others slightly longer.some weeks its under a grand and other weeks a fair bit over.swings and roundabouts.as long as my turnover is around £40k-£45k a year im happy as i can live on that very comfortably.im left with around 30k profit after all taxes,expenses and insurances are taken out.i have around 6 - 7 weeks off a year.(2 wks at xmas,2 or 3 wks for holidays and 1 or 2 for DIY/sickness or really bad weather)

15k a year expenses, LOL. they must have seen you coming when you bought that new van, bet they closed up the shop and went on a weeks holiday after you left.

expenses are around 5k-6k a year actually sean.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 13, 2017, 09:03:33 pm
Earning £45k a year , you would pay £6698 tax & £4420 National insurance.

Take home pay is £33881 , that’s without expenses .... I think  ;D

nope wrong mate.i dont pay that much tax and insurance.

dont forget to take expenses off turnover first.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Shrek on October 13, 2017, 09:08:56 pm
Earning £45k a year , you would pay £6698 tax & £4420 National insurance.

Take home pay is £33881 , that’s without expenses .... I think  ;D

nope wrong mate.i dont pay that much tax and insurance.

dont forget to take expenses off turnover first.

Sorry , was just going off the money saving expert

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/tax-calculator/
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: nathankaye on October 13, 2017, 09:55:31 pm
This is why one should not disclose figures.....theres a need to defend or justify .

Slightly related,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  I have seen a window clean work traditionally in an ex mining village working from a BMW and wearing trousers n shirt.
Now thats just taking the P, but how could you justify price increases as well..
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Og on October 13, 2017, 10:14:46 pm
What's wrong with shirt and trousers?
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Marc Stock on October 13, 2017, 11:36:32 pm
Anyway going back to subject.

I never turn work away.

I just accept the work that's right for me
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: Slacky on October 14, 2017, 01:01:22 am
It depends on the kind of work.  Had a phone call today, the lady sounded nice, but I know the street and it's not upmarket.  Parking problems too.

I didn't know how to say "Sorry, pet, but I don't think you're rich enough" so I said I'd come and quote.

I very probably won't. :'(

Neighbour?
 ;D

Helen.
Title: Re: turning work away
Post by: dazmond on October 14, 2017, 10:12:09 am
This is why one should not disclose figures.....theres a need to defend or justify .

Slightly related,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  I have seen a window clean work traditionally in an ex mining village working from a BMW and wearing trousers n shirt.
Now thats just taking the P, but how could you justify price increases as well..

you can pick up an old BMW for £600.my girlfriends next door neighbours just bought one for this price.as for shirt and trousers you can get them dirt cheap at asda! ;D