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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on August 14, 2017, 05:39:46 pm
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Here we go again.............
Today was our best day so far this year for new customers............. 42 added to cleaner planner! Clearly I'm very happy with that. Around £10,500.00 added to our annual turnover.
Boom!
Now then........Where is my fan club to p on the fire!
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Well done lee
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Smashing it lee, showing us all how its done!
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What's your average price and frequency as that's pretty high for just window cleaning? Ours is around £25 8 weekly so around £15,000 for 100 or £7,000 for 42 new customers.
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Love seeing thread like this ... well done Lee
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What's your average price and frequency as that's pretty high for just window cleaning? Ours is around £25 8 weekly so around £15,000 for 100 or £7,000 for 42 new customers.
Our average price is £25.00
Dont forget we do cleaning packages for our customers which greatly increases their yearly value.
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What's your average price and frequency as that's pretty high for just window cleaning? Ours is around £25 8 weekly so around £15,000 for 100 or £7,000 for 42 new customers.
Our average price is £25.00
Dont forget we do cleaning packages for our customers which greatly increases their yearly value.
Ah, fair enough. We'll often get an fsg or conservatory clean first time but I almost discount those as you can only really plan on the window cleaning with 3 vehicles.
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What's your average price and frequency as that's pretty high for just window cleaning? Ours is around £25 8 weekly so around £15,000 for 100 or £7,000 for 42 new customers.
Our average price is £25.00
Dont forget we do cleaning packages for our customers which greatly increases their yearly value.
Ah, fair enough. We'll often get an fsg or conservatory clean first time but I almost discount those as you can only really plan on the window cleaning with 3 vehicles.
We get them in the first clean then talk them into setting it up to happen yearly or 6 monthly. Also try to get con roofs every second or third clean. Or at least yearly. We give them discounts accordingly depending on frequency.
Last week I had a guy with a big house. Yearly it's worth £900 but his window cleaning only made up £200 of that
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How do you manage that though. Aworka couldn't handle that. Do you use CP?
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How do you manage that though. Aworka couldn't handle that. Do you use CP?
Yes, cleaner planner.
I am surprised aworka can't do that. Can't you set up a gutter clear at 52 weekly?
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How do you manage that though. Aworka couldn't handle that. Do you use CP?
Yes, cleaner planner.
I am surprised aworka can't do that. Can't you set up a gutter clear at 52 weekly?
Yes you can, you can have as many jobs/frequencies/prices/locations as required per client
Glad to hear all is well - well done 👍
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How do you manage that though. Aworka couldn't handle that. Do you use CP?
Yes, cleaner planner.
I am surprised aworka can't do that. Can't you set up a gutter clear at 52 weekly?
Yes you can, you can have as many jobs/frequencies/prices/locations as required per client
Glad to hear all is well - well done 👍
There you have it, as I suspected.
Try to get as much money and work out of each customer as you can.
My thinking is if someone wants an extra/add on then they will want it again down the line. Why not just tell them you can set that up to happen automatically and offer a discount for the ongoing cleans after the first one.
Ask them the question. The answer can only be yes or no
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I picked up 2 today :'(. How do you quote the jobs? Google maps or a set price for 3,4,5 bed?
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I picked up 2 today :'(. How do you quote the jobs? Google maps or a set price for 3,4,5 bed?
Mostly from our price table. After that google earth street view/ pictures emailed from the customer. We only do that if its large or unusual. If its a mansion then I go to see it.
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Lee, how do you manage the payment side of these packages? Is it a set amount each month or just pay as you do the jobs?
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Lee, how do you manage the payment side of these packages? Is it a set amount each month or just pay as you do the jobs?
We use go cardless
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How do you manage that though. Aworka couldn't handle that. Do you use CP?
Yes, cleaner planner.
I am surprised aworka can't do that. Can't you set up a gutter clear at 52 weekly?
Yes you can, you can have as many jobs/frequencies/prices/locations as required per client
Glad to hear all is well - well done 👍
Can you? I'll investigate as I have a few odd things where I have to remember. For example we have a 4 weekly customer who every other clean pays for her next door neighbour. Where it gets complicated is in debt reconciliation as it's not me that does it and I'm the only one with the detailed knowledge that has to remember.
I'll investigate.
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Lee, how do you manage the payment side of these packages? Is it a set amount each month or just pay as you do the jobs?
We use go cardless
But do you just request payments for the windows after each clean and then charge for say the gutters when they are due etc or do you charge extra on each window clean to cover the additional services?
I hope that makes sense.
Awesome work by the way.
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Lee, how do you manage the payment side of these packages? Is it a set amount each month or just pay as you do the jobs?
We use go cardless
But do you just request payments for the windows after each clean and then charge for say the gutters when they are due etc or do you charge extra on each window clean to cover the additional services?
I hope that makes sense.
Awesome work by the way.
Yes I understand.
No we charge separatly for each service. We dont spread the yearly total
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Thanks for that lee.
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glad to hear its going really well for you Lee,
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We need about 1500 more houses on the round to reach the goal. I hope to have 400 of those by the end of September. Then we will stop marketing and save the money needed to start again in April. I hope to have the remaining customers by July next year. Our monthly turnover will top out at about £65K a month at that level.
Then I will have a rest for a few years and buy a new house!
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We need about 1500 more houses on the round to reach the goal. I hope to have 400 of those by the end of September. Then we will stop marketing and save the money needed to start again in April. I hope to have the remaining customers by July next year. Our monthly turnover will top out at about £65K a month at that level.
Then I will have a rest for a few years and buy a new house!
I doubt you'll get much rest with 11 vans.
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It's only 20.83 per month, per customer. Child's play :P
Just kidding, what awesome figures you're hitting Lee. I think you'll deserve the rest when it comes.
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We need about 1500 more houses on the round to reach the goal. I hope to have 400 of those by the end of September. Then we will stop marketing and save the money needed to start again in April. I hope to have the remaining customers by July next year. Our monthly turnover will top out at about £65K a month at that level.
Then I will have a rest for a few years and buy a new house!
Well done
I have pm you on another WC forum you joined a few month back no reply:-(
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We need about 1500 more houses on the round to reach the goal. I hope to have 400 of those by the end of September. Then we will stop marketing and save the money needed to start again in April. I hope to have the remaining customers by July next year. Our monthly turnover will top out at about £65K a month at that level.
Then I will have a rest for a few years and buy a new house!
I doubt you'll get much rest with 11 vans.
lol that's why I have 2 full time office staff. I haven't even been in yet today.
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We need about 1500 more houses on the round to reach the goal. I hope to have 400 of those by the end of September. Then we will stop marketing and save the money needed to start again in April. I hope to have the remaining customers by July next year. Our monthly turnover will top out at about £65K a month at that level.
Then I will have a rest for a few years and buy a new house!
Well done
I have pm you on another WC forum you joined a few month back no reply:-(
Sorry I haven't been on there much. I will check it out later
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i would bin them right away and replace them with 2x new customers lololol , good on you lee
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Here we go again.............
Today was our best day so far this year for new customers............. 42 added to cleaner planner! Clearly I'm very happy with that. Around £10,500.00 added to our annual turnover.
Boom!
Now then........Where is my fan club to p on the fire!
Well done Sir, i wish i had your motivation. Which area do you work?
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Here we go again.............
Today was our best day so far this year for new customers............. 42 added to cleaner planner! Clearly I'm very happy with that. Around £10,500.00 added to our annual turnover.
Boom!
Now then........Where is my fan club to p on the fire!
Well done Sir, i wish i had your motivation. Which area do you work?
Most of the south east. As seen on our website lol
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Hey lee, where did you come from??
As in ..... how did you start off? In the window cleaning biz l mean.
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Hey lee, where did you come from??
As in ..... how did you start off? In the window cleaning biz l mean.
My background was sales and marketing. I worked for the dail mail media group. I was made redundant in a January from there one year. I had wanted to start my own business but didn't know what or how to. My girlfriend at the time and I went to see her parents and I overheard them talking in the kitchen about getting a window cleaner and how hard it was to find one. I had a lightbulb moment and the very next day went and bought trad gear, roof rack, ladder ect. I made my own leaflet as shown in my recent video. I tought myself the skills, knocked doors and delivered my leaflets.
I had never had a manual job or worked outside, I had a corporate background. I just made it up as I went along.
I loved the freedom right from the start. I also loved being a one man band especially when after 2 years of trad I got my first van and system. I just never stopped wanting to push forward and grow.
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Glad to hear you started from the bottom... how did you get to the top mate?
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Glad to hear you started from the bottom... how did you get to the top mate?
Hard work and continued investment of litterally hundreds of thousands of pounds.
I found a business model that works very well and I throw every spare bit of money at it and watch it grow.
I wasnt put off by the challenges along the way and I have a clear vision of what my goals are.
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Lee, as much as I dislike these threads of yours, and your general desire to seek "attention" for your achievements, I do however admire your pure grit and determination to keep pushing the boundaries and turning your dreams into reality.
I know I could do what you have done if I put my heart to it, the ideas are there in my head, but my heart isn't in it.
Sometimes I dream big, but when I put life into context I often imagine what the last things I would think of when I'm lying on my deaf bed. It isn't material things, how nice my van was, how big my house was, how much money I had in the bank...
In a way iv already achieved my dreams and I'm happy just to keep living them until the day I day.
I could live under a hard rock and run around in a Fred Flintstone stone van for all I care, as long I have my family ( including dog ), we have our health and continue making happy memories until the very end. That's what I will remember.
Well done for making your own dreams come true, just please can we stop hearing about it. All the bum licking, especially from scrimble, is becoming cringeworthy.
There are plenty of other things to chat about on the forum. I'm sure there is a brush thread somewhere you could get involved in ;D
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I often imagine what the last things I would think of when I'm lying on my deaf bed.
Whatever those thoughts are, don't verbalise them, cos the bed won't be listening.
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Lee, as much as I dislike these threads of yours, and your general desire to seek "attention" for your achievements, I do however admire your pure grit and determination to keep pushing the boundaries and turning your dreams into reality.
I know I could do what you have done if I put my heart to it, the ideas are there in my head, but my heart isn't in it.
Sometimes I dream big, but when I put life into context I often imagine what the last things I would think of when I'm lying on my deaf bed. It isn't material things, how nice my van was, how big my house was, how much money I had in the bank...
In a way iv already achieved my dreams and I'm happy just to keep living them until the day I day.
I could live under a hard rock and run around in a Fred Flintstone stone van for all I care, as long I have my family ( including dog ), we have our health and continue making happy memories until the very end. That's what I will remember.
Well done for making your own dreams come true, just please can we stop hearing about it. All the bum licking, especially from scrimble, is becoming cringeworthy.
There are plenty of other things to chat about on the forum. I'm sure there is a brush thread somewhere you could get involved in ;D
Sorry Chris but I think its an open forum where people can talk about what they like. If you dont like me or my threads then simply dont read them or get involved. Problem solved.
I could ask you to stop saying "Icould do that if I wanted but I dont want to" you seem to say that on every thread. I think its really a silly thing to say and actually serves to prove that in fact you cant do it. Once again im wrong for wanting different things in life than someone else. There are way more to my goals than houses or cars. Like freedom of time. While your out cleaning I could be traveling the world or spending more time with the people I care about. Try to see past your narrow point of view on me please.
Rather than all this just dont involved mate. Stick to threads you like. Simple
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Lee, as much as I dislike these threads of yours, and your general desire to seek "attention" for your achievements, I do however admire your pure grit and determination to keep pushing the boundaries and turning your dreams into reality.
I know I could do what you have done if I put my heart to it, the ideas are there in my head, but my heart isn't in it.
Sometimes I dream big, but when I put life into context I often imagine what the last things I would think of when I'm lying on my deaf bed. It isn't material things, how nice my van was, how big my house was, how much money I had in the bank...
In a way iv already achieved my dreams and I'm happy just to keep living them until the day I day.
I could live under a hard rock and run around in a Fred Flintstone stone van for all I care, as long I have my family ( including dog ), we have our health and continue making happy memories until the very end. That's what I will remember.
Well done for making your own dreams come true, just please can we stop hearing about it. All the bum licking, especially from scrimble, is becoming cringeworthy.
There are plenty of other things to chat about on the forum. I'm sure there is a brush thread somewhere you could get involved in ;D
To be honest I don't open threads about brushes and solar panels because they aren't interesting. Surely you could make the same choice?
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I think what Lee is doing is great. I mentioned it on another thread but I see what he is doing and it's simplicity is genius.
Im hoping to follow suit although Im not actually sure yet how big I want to grow to achieve my goal.
And thats what it boils down to what is your goal.
My goal is to earn enough money to live the life I want. Which is freedom of time, travelling and holidays etc but with the added bonus of earning somewhat passive income in the background. Having a business that works when you don't so someone else is paying for my holidays and my house with their hard graft.
Personally I love reading these threads as I have the same mentality. I can see why others that enjoy being solo earning a decent amount in exchange for their time don't get it but it's each to their own.
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Its amazing what drives people to comment, especially when they say they dont like your posts (yours being anybodys) and yet they actively read and take part in the thread and then when they do participate its either in your face insulting or its a back handed swing.
"I like your grit but my goals are family life" as if your goals are less important or doesnt involve that as well.
Lying on dead bed waiting, im sure everyone wants the same......extra time for what trully is important. Though that is a good incentive to drive goals, personnally i dislike when people verbalise it. The reason being...... take for instance people who have lost everything in a hurricane or earth quake etc, they are very very grateful to be alive. But how long for before the need of material things come flooding back!! Especially as now they have nothing and have to continue living in society which dictates that you must have this or that to live a good life.......
If someone achieves their goals n ongoing goals thats to be commended not berated. Regardless the size n scope of their goals.
For instance i have very good friends who suffer badly with depression, their goal each day is not to commit suicide!!
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To hell with family Id sell the lot of them for body parts if it was legal and the money was good enough, Lee self praise is no recommendation, Chris I see where your coming from, 8weekly good point, Adam totally agree there's no shame in wanting to be successful and rich, Nathan you need to get over that some think your quality is crap and move on.
Even in the most boring of threads there's always something interesting to read between the lines.
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Pi is the most recognized mathematical constant in the world. Scholars often consider Pi the most important and intriguing number in all of mathematics.[5]
The symbol for pi (π) has been used regularly in its mathematical sense only for the past 250 years.[3]Scientists in Carl Sagan’s novel Contact are able to unravel enough of pi to find hidden messages from the creators of the human race, allowing humans to access deeper levels of universal awareness.[4]In the Star Trek episode “Wolf in the Fold,” Spock foils the evil computer by commanding it to “compute to last digit the value of pi.”[4]
The Great Pyramid at Giza seems to approximate pi
Egyptologists and followers of mysticism have been fascinated for centuries by the fact that the Great Pyramid at Giza seems to approximate pi. The vertical height of the pyramid has the same relationship to the perimeter of its base as the radius of a circle has to its circumference.[4]
We can never truly measure the circumference or the area of a circle because we can never truly know the value of pi. Pi is an irrational number, meaning its digits go on forever in a seemingly random sequence.[6]
Darren Aronofsky’s fascinating movie π (Pi: Faith in Chaos) shows how the main character’s attempt to find simple answers about pi (and, by extension, the universe) drives him mad. The film won the Directing Award at the 1988 Sundance Film Festival.[9]
In the Greek alphabet, π (piwas) is the sixteenth letter. In the English alphabet, p is also the sixteenth letter.[4]
The letter π is the first letter of the Greek word “periphery” and “perimeter.” The symbol π in mathematics represents the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter. In other words, π is the number of times a circle’s diameter will fit around its circumference.[1]
If the circumference of the earth were calculated using π rounded to only the ninth decimal place, an error of no more than one quarter of an inch in 25,000 miles would result.[8]
In 1995, Hiroyoki Gotu memorized 42,195 places of pi and is considered the current pi champion. Some scholars speculate that Japanese is better suited than other languages for memorizing sequences of numbers.[1
The first 144 digits of pi add up to 666 (which many scholars say is “the mark of the Beast”). And 144 = (6+6) x (6+6).[4]nse attorney and an FBI agent argued about the value of pi during the O.J. Simpson trial (Vicki L. Miller / Shutterstock.com)During the famed O.J. Simpson trial, there were arguments between defense attorney Robert Blasier and an FBI agent about the actual value of pi, seemingly to reveal flaws in the FBI agent’s intellectual acumen.[4]
A mysterious 2008 crop circle in Britain shows a coded image representing the first 10 digits of pi.[2]Ludolph van Ceulen (1540-1610) spent most of his life calculating the first 36 digits of pi (which were named the Ludolphine Number). According to legend, these numbers were engraved on his now lost tombstone.[3]William Shanks (1812-1882) worked for years by hand to find the first 707 digits of pi. Unfortunately, he made a mistake after the 527th place and, consequently, the following digits were all wrong.[3]
In 2002, a Japanese scientist found 1.24 trillion digits of pi using a powerful computer called the Hitachi SR 8000, breaking all previous records.[5]Pi is the secret code in Alfred Hitchcock’s Torn Curtain and in The Net starring Sandra Bullock.[4]
Since there are 360 degrees in a circle and pi is intimately connected with the circle, some mathematicians were delighted to discover that the number 360 is at the 359th digit position of pi.[4]Umberto Eco’s famed book Foucault’s Pendulum associates the mysterious pendulum in the novel with the intrigue of pi.[4]Pi has been studied by the human race for almost 4,000 years. By 2000 B.C., Babylonians established the constant circle ratio as 3-1/8 or 3.125. The ancient Egyptians arrived at a slightly different value of 3-1/7 or 3.143.[1]
One of the earliest known records of pi was written by an Egyptian scribe named Ahmes (c. 1650 B.C.) on what is now known as the Rhind Papyrus. He was off by less than 1% of the modern approximation of pi (3.141592).[12]
The Rhind Papyrus (c. 1650 B.C.) was the first attempt to calculate pi by “squaring the circle,” which is to measure the diameter of a circle by building a square inside the circle.[12]
The “squaring the circle” method of understanding pi has fascinated mathematicians because traditionally the circle represents the infinite, immeasurable, and even spiritual world while the square represents the manifest, measurable, and comprehensive world.[5]
Computing pi is a stress test for a computer—a kind of “digital cardiogram.”[4]Givenchy markets a cologne named PiA Givenchy men’s cologne named Pi is marketed as highlighting the sexual appeal of intelligent and visionary men.[7]
In 1888, a Indiana country doctor named Edwin Goodwin claimed he had been “supernaturally taught” the exact measure of the circle and even had a bill proposed in the Indiana legislature that would copyright his mathematical findings. The bill never became law thanks to a mathematical professor in the legislature who pointed out that the method resulted in an incorrect value of pi.[4]
The first million decimal places of pi consist of 99,959 zeros, 99,758 1s, 100,026 2s, 100,229 3s, 100,230 4s, 100,359 5s, 99,548 6s, 99,800 7s, 99,985 8s, and 100,106 9s.[1]The Bible alludes to pi in 1 Kings 7:23 where it describes the altar inside Solomon’s temple: “And he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim . . . and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.” Some scholars interpret this to mean that the value of pi is 3.[11]Pi was first rigorously calculated by one of the greatest mathematicians of the ancient world, Archimedes of Syracuse (287-212 B.C.). Archimedes was so engrossed in his work that he did not notice that Roman soldiers had taken the Greek city of Syracuse. When a Roman soldier approached him, he yelled in Greek “Do not touch my circles!” The Roman soldier simply cut off his head and went on his business.[6]A refined value of pi was obtained by the Chinese much earlier than in the West. The Chinese had two advantages over most of the world: they used decimal notations and they used a symbol for zero. European mathematicians would not use a symbolic zero until the late Middle Ages through contact with Indian and Arabic thinkers.[6]Al-Khwarizmi, who lived in Baghdad around A.D. 800, worked on a value of pi calculated to four digits: 3.1416. The term “algorithm” derives from his name, and his text Kitab al-Jabr wal-Muqabala (The Book of Completion Concerning Calculating by Transposition and Reduction) gives us the word “algebra” (from al-Jabr, which means “completion” or “restoration”).[3]Ancient mathematicians tried to compute pi by inscribing polygons with more and more sides that would more closely approach the area of a circle. Archimedes used a 96-sided polygon. Chinese mathematician Liu Hui inscribed a 192-sided polygon and then a 3,072-sided polygon to calculate pi to 3.14159. Tsu Ch’ung and his son inscribed polygons with as many as 24,576 sides to calculate pi (the result had only an 8-millionth of 1% difference from the now accepted value of pi).[6]Even comedians find value in the number pComedian John Evans once quipped: “What do you get if you divide the circumference of a jack-o’-lantern by its diameter? Pumpkin π.”[4]William Jones (1675-1749) introduced the symbol “π” for pi in 1706, and it was later popularized by Leonhard Euler (1707-1783) in 1737.[3]
The π symbol came into standard use in the 1700s, the Arabs invented the decimal system in A.D. 1000, and the equal sign (=) appeared in 1557.[5]Before the π symbol was used, mathematicians would describe pi in round-about ways such as “quantitas, in quam cum multipliectur diameter, proveniet circumferential,” which means “the quantity which, when the diameter is multiplied by it, yields the circumference.”[3]Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) and artist Albrecht Durer (1471-1528) both briefly worked on “squaring the circle,” or approximating pi.[4]There are no occurrences of the sequence 123456 in the first million digits of pi—but of the eight 12345s that do occur, three are followed by another 5. The sequence 012345 occurs twice and, in both cases, it is followed by another 5.[7][Some scholars claim that humans are programmed to find patterns in the world because it’s the only way we can give meaning to the world and ourselves. Hence, the obsessive search to find patterns in π.[5]The father of calculus (meaning “pebble used in counting” from calx or “limestone”), Isaac Newton calculated pi to at least 16 decimal places.[12]]Pi is also referred to as the “circular constant,” “Archimedes’ constant,” or “Ludolph’s number.”[4In the seventeenth century, pi was freed from the circle and applied also to curves, such as arches and hypocycloids, when it was found that their areas could also be expressed in terms of pi. In the twentieth century, pi has been used in many areas, such as number theory, probability, and chaos theory.[1]The first six digits of pi (314159) appear in order at least six times among the first 10 million decimal places of pi.[8]Albert Einstein was born on Pi Day (3/14/1879)"Pi Day" is celebrated on March 14 (which was chosen because it resembles 3.14). The official celebration begins at 1:59 p.m., to make an appropriate 3.14159 when combined with the date. Albert Einstein was born on Pi Day (3/14/1879) in Ulm Wurttemberg, Germany.[4]Thirty-nine decimal places of pi suffice for computing the circumference of a circle girding the known universe with an error no greater than the radius of a hydrogen atom.[8]John Donne’s (1572-1631) poem “Upon the Translations of the Psalms by Sir Philip Sidney, and the Countess of Pembroke, His Sister” condemns attempts to find an exact value of pi, or to “square a circle,” which Donne views as an attempt to rationalize God:[11]Eternal God—for whom who ever dare Seek new expressions, do the circle square, And thrust into straight corners of poor wit Thee, who art cornerless and infinite— - John DonneMany mathematicians claim that it is more correct to say that a circle has an infinite number of corners than to view a circle as being cornerless.[5]Plato (427-348 B.C.) supposedly obtained for his day a fairly accurate value for pi: √2 + √3 = 3.146.[1]A website titled “The Pi-Search Page” finds a person’s birthday and other well known numbers in the digits of pi.[10]
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To hell with family Id sell the lot of them for body parts if it was legal and the money was good enough, Lee self praise is no recommendation, Chris I see where your coming from, 8weekly good point, Adam totally agree there's no shame in wanting to be successful and rich, Nathan you need to get over that some think your quality is crap and move on.
Even in the most boring of threads there's always something interesting to read between the lines.
Sean k like how your ears must be burning as you think my comments must be aimed at you......but i suppose if the shoe fits n all.
All im saying on this particular thread, many at first glance seem to be giving or starting with praise but finish with it being a sly dig. Unless im miss reading them some how.
This particular thread will either make some people think;
" well done lee, it shows how you can take this work far if you choose to do so"
" well done lee for proving many on here wrong (myself included)"
" hes just showing off and thats all im taking from it"
Or for others its just hatred or jealousy or whatever.......it aint taking no positives but determined to highlight the negatives......
Personally i think well done lee for making it a success. Sacrificed a lot to gain it back n more but without self drive n determination that might not have been the case. So well done for making it work
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The following page is Pi to 1,000,000 digits, after the initial 3.
Thats interesting.
http://www.angio.net/pi/digits/pi1000000.txt (http://www.angio.net/pi/digits/pi1000000.txt)
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We need about 1500 more houses on the round to reach the goal. I hope to have 400 of those by the end of September. Then we will stop marketing and save the money needed to start again in April. I hope to have the remaining customers by July next year. Our monthly turnover will top out at about £65K a month at that level.
Then I will have a rest for a few years and buy a new house!
Well done
I have pm you on another WC forum you joined a few month back no reply:-(
Sorry I haven't been on there much. I will check it out later
Still no pm back guess it's a no
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We need about 1500 more houses on the round to reach the goal. I hope to have 400 of those by the end of September. Then we will stop marketing and save the money needed to start again in April. I hope to have the remaining customers by July next year. Our monthly turnover will top out at about £65K a month at that level.
Then I will have a rest for a few years and buy a new house!
Well done Lee, nice going.
Are you really stopping your advertising activities between October and April?
If I were advertising on mass, I would probably do the same.
Luckily I am small fry and there are plenty of quality fish to be caught during the winter months, if you know where to find them?.
Good luck with the new house...you've earned it.
You so know you will get bored if you take time off. Think of all those pressure washing customers, or even better, soft washing customers. I know you don't provide these services but:
Just imagine if you did....
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Lee, as much as I dislike these threads of yours, and your general desire to seek "attention" for your achievements, I do however admire your pure grit and determination to keep pushing the boundaries and turning your dreams into reality.
I know I could do what you have done if I put my heart to it, the ideas are there in my head, but my heart isn't in it.
Sometimes I dream big, but when I put life into context I often imagine what the last things I would think of when I'm lying on my deaf bed. It isn't material things, how nice my van was, how big my house was, how much money I had in the bank...
In a way iv already achieved my dreams and I'm happy just to keep living them until the day I day.
I could live under a hard rock and run around in a Fred Flintstone stone van for all I care, as long I have my family ( including dog ), we have our health and continue making happy memories until the very end. That's what I will remember.
Well done for making your own dreams come true, just please can we stop hearing about it. All the bum licking, especially from scrimble, is becoming cringeworthy.
There are plenty of other things to chat about on the forum. I'm sure there is a brush thread somewhere you could get involved in ;D
To be honest I don't open threads about brushes and solar panels because they aren't interesting. Surely you could make the same choice?
You don't know what you're missing!!
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Lee, as much as I dislike these threads of yours, and your general desire to seek "attention" for your achievements, I do however admire your pure grit and determination to keep pushing the boundaries and turning your dreams into reality.
I know I could do what you have done if I put my heart to it, the ideas are there in my head, but my heart isn't in it.
Sometimes I dream big, but when I put life into context I often imagine what the last things I would think of when I'm lying on my deaf bed. It isn't material things, how nice my van was, how big my house was, how much money I had in the bank...
In a way iv already achieved my dreams and I'm happy just to keep living them until the day I day.
I could live under a hard rock and run around in a Fred Flintstone stone van for all I care, as long I have my family ( including dog ), we have our health and continue making happy memories until the very end. That's what I will remember.
Well done for making your own dreams come true, just please can we stop hearing about it. All the bum licking, especially from scrimble, is becoming cringeworthy.
There are plenty of other things to chat about on the forum. I'm sure there is a brush thread somewhere you could get involved in ;D
To be honest I don't open threads about brushes and solar panels because they aren't interesting. Surely you could make the same choice?
You don't know what you're missing!!
Lee only reads his own threads as only he is interesting.
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Well there's a few jealous haters oñ this forum it seems. Good on you lee and carry on with updates because i enjoy reading them and take alot from them. Isnt that what forums are for after all ?
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Well there's a few jealous haters oñ this forum it seems. Good on you lee and carry on with updates because i enjoy reading them and take alot from them. Isnt that what forums are for after all ?
Oh ok, so what do you take from his updates?
The word 'jealous' gets thrown around alot, but surely the most jealous person of all is the one whom lusts after riches, fame and glory. ::)roll
Take a look at the 7 deadly sins
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=7+deadly+sins&oq=7+dea&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j69i59j5j0.2641j0j4&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
And tell me how many you think Lee, or any other person with an aching desire for riches, fame and glory fit in to...
Just the one for me, wrath, towards anyone who fits into the other 6 ;D
But I'm generally a very nice guy, honest guv... ;D
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Richyp
It is an interesting comment from you. The problem is that when somebody like Lee posts, many people think "why can't I do that?"
Well the truth is ...you never will.
So lee how much profit do you make per customer? Work out your customer retention and then work out your marketing costs per customer.
With two full timers in the office, the cost of the office etc, I suspect that what most window cleaners achieve per customer would not cover the marketing and running costs of your operation.
Lee is in a very special position and a very special area, I would think that replication of his business model would be limited to only a very few areas, if any.
Well done Lee for your achievement, but to assume you are something special and a business guru might have been that you just got "dead lucky" been there done that. A tip, don't take it for granted.
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Richyp
It is an interesting comment from you. The problem is that when somebody like Lee posts, many people think "why can't I do that?"
Well the truth is ...you never will.
So lee how much profit do you make per customer? Work out your customer retention and then work out your marketing costs per customer.
With two full timers in the office, the cost of the office etc, I suspect that what most window cleaners achieve per customer would not cover the marketing and running costs of your operation.
Lee is in a very special position and a very special area, I would think that replication of his business model would be limited to only a very few areas, if any.
Well done Lee for your achievement, but to assume you are something special and a business guru might have been that you just got "dead lucky" been there done that. A tip, don't take it for granted.
Don't forget he sold his house and moved back in with his mum to finance the whole operation.
I don't think my mum has space for me, the missis, 2 kids, 2 cats and a dog ;D
Any single homeowner could do the same thing, why hasn't half this forum sold up, bought a fleet of vans, had a million leaflets distributed, rented a unit, hired staff to do their bidding? Not because it's difficult, it's easy throwing money around if you have £150k in your pocket from selling a property, but because most of us simply don't need or desire anymore then we already have.
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Richyp
It is an interesting comment from you. The problem is that when somebody like Lee posts, many people think "why can't I do that?"
Well the truth is ...you never will.
So lee how much profit do you make per customer? Work out your customer retention and then work out your marketing costs per customer.
With two full timers in the office, the cost of the office etc, I suspect that what most window cleaners achieve per customer would not cover the marketing and running costs of your operation.
Lee is in a very special position and a very special area, I would think that replication of his business model would be limited to only a very few areas, if any.
Well done Lee for your achievement, but to assume you are something special and a business guru might have been that you just got "dead lucky" been there done that. A tip, don't take it for granted.
;)
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Richyp
It is an interesting comment from you. The problem is that when somebody like Lee posts, many people think "why can't I do that?"
Well the truth is ...you never will.
So lee how much profit do you make per customer? Work out your customer retention and then work out your marketing costs per customer.
With two full timers in the office, the cost of the office etc, I suspect that what most window cleaners achieve per customer would not cover the marketing and running costs of your operation.
Lee is in a very special position and a very special area, I would think that replication of his business model would be limited to only a very few areas, if any.
Well done Lee for your achievement, but to assume you are something special and a business guru might have been that you just got "dead lucky" been there done that. A tip, don't take it for granted.
Don't forget he sold his house and moved back in with his mum to finance the whole operation.
I don't think my mum has space for me, the missis, 2 kids, 2 cats and a dog ;D
Any single homeowner could do the same thing, why hasn't half this forum sold up, bought a fleet of vans, had a million leaflets distributed, rented a unit, hired staff to do their bidding? Not because it's difficult, it's easy throwing money around if you have £150k in your pocket from selling a property, but because most of us simply don't need or desire anymore then we already have.
It was actually £250k which I might add, the business owes me back at a later date. So after I buy the next house I will start taking that loan back and pay no corporation tax or income tax for about 2 years.
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
Taking back a loan now means that money doesn't count towards my personal income and therefore doesn't count towards accounts in profit for a mortgage. I will take it back after I buy the next house.
Don't worry we make enough lol
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
Taking back a loan now means that money doesn't count towards my personal income and therefore doesn't count towards accounts in profit for a mortgage. I will take it back after I buy the next house.
Don't worry we make enough lol
That don't make sense, you spent 250k on your business which means you can offset £250k against tax, why would you let that
sit in the HMRC's account until you buy your next house ?
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Well there's a few jealous haters oñ this forum it seems. Good on you lee and carry on with updates because i enjoy reading them and take alot from them. Isnt that what forums are for after all ?
Oh ok, so what do you take from his updates?
The word 'jealous' gets thrown around alot, but surely the most jealous person of all is the one whom lusts after riches, fame and glory. ::)roll
Take a look at the 7 deadly sins
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=7+deadly+sins&oq=7+dea&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j69i59j5j0.2641j0j4&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
And tell me how many you think Lee, or any other person with an aching desire for riches, fame and glory fit in to...
Just the one for me, wrath, towards anyone who fits into the other 6 ;D
But I'm generally a very nice guy, honest guv... ;D
Money is freedom
Freedom of choice
Freedom of worry
Freedom of time
Not a sin
We all live by it and some die by it
Its the reason we get out bed
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Well there's a few jealous haters oñ this forum it seems. Good on you lee and carry on with updates because i enjoy reading them and take alot from them. Isnt that what forums are for after all ?
Oh ok, so what do you take from his updates?
The word 'jealous' gets thrown around alot, but surely the most jealous person of all is the one whom lusts after riches, fame and glory. ::)roll
Take a look at the 7 deadly sins
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=7+deadly+sins&oq=7+dea&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j69i59j5j0.2641j0j4&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
And tell me how many you think Lee, or any other person with an aching desire for riches, fame and glory fit in to...
Just the one for me, wrath, towards anyone who fits into the other 6 ;D
But I'm generally a very nice guy, honest guv... ;D
Money is freedom
Freedom of choice
Freedom of worry
Freedom of time
Not a sin
We all live by it and some die by it
Its the reason we get out of bed and it depicts the bed we sleep in
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Richyp
It is an interesting comment from you. The problem is that when somebody like Lee posts, many people think "why can't I do that?"
Well the truth is ...you never will.
So lee how much profit do you make per customer? Work out your customer retention and then work out your marketing costs per customer.
With two full timers in the office, the cost of the office etc, I suspect that what most window cleaners achieve per customer would not cover the marketing and running costs of your operation.
Lee is in a very special position and a very special area, I would think that replication of his business model would be limited to only a very few areas, if any.
Well done Lee for your achievement, but to assume you are something special and a business guru might have been that you just got "dead lucky" been there done that. A tip, don't take it for granted.
Don't forget he sold his house and moved back in with his mum to finance the whole operation.
I don't think my mum has space for me, the missis, 2 kids, 2 cats and a dog ;D
Any single homeowner could do the same thing, why hasn't half this forum sold up, bought a fleet of vans, had a million leaflets distributed, rented a unit, hired staff to do their bidding? Not because it's difficult, it's easy throwing money around if you have £150k in your pocket from selling a property, but because most of us simply don't need or desire anymore then we already have.
He already had four vans on the go, he gambled the £250k to build the business quicker, that's why many thought his business
plan was silly.
Most would have put a fifth van on the road and filled it work and then the sixth seventh and so on, as somebody said he was just
lucky it didn't go belly up, he's got guts and drive but is no business guru.
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He's made his luck
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At the end of the day who cares? Its not like its all fallen in he's lap. He lives/sleeps and breaths his business.
What lee is doing isnt genius by any means as like others have said anyone can do it if they throw the same money at it. Lee has gone for it to hit the top and im guessing he wont stop untill he gets there.
We should be thankful that he is shareing his journey with us, it is nice to hear how good and how big you can grow without everything falling apart, i once had 3 vans out but was a headache keeping track of everything with them not caring or doing a good job having so much time off etc that i gave up on it! Lee is pushing through and hitting it hard with 10 on the road. I can guarantee Lee has mega headaches making sure all gets done to standard and having his guys turn up and do what they are meant to do each day, the hardest part must be to trust his lads with the first cleans as it takes ages to master them.
It takes balls to do what lee has done selling up to go for it so hat off to the guy and i hope it all goes to plan.
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
Taking back a loan now means that money doesn't count towards my personal income and therefore doesn't count towards accounts in profit for a mortgage. I will take it back after I buy the next house.
Don't worry we make enough lol
That don't make sense, you spent 250k on your business which means you can offset £250k against tax, why would you let that
sit in the HMRC's account until you buy your next house ?
First I never said I was a business guru, and I can tell you luck has nothing to do with it.
Second, nothing is sitting in hmrc accounts. Really not sure what you mean by that. You don't pay tax on a business loan!!!!!!! I loaned the ltd company money, it owes me that back. I will take it at a later date. Simple.
Wow! How straight forward things become complicated on here never ceases to amaze me.
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
Taking back a loan now means that money doesn't count towards my personal income and therefore doesn't count towards accounts in profit for a mortgage. I will take it back after I buy the next house.
Don't worry we make enough lol
That don't make sense, you spent 250k on your business which means you can offset £250k against tax, why would you let that
sit in the HMRC's account until you buy your next house ?
First I never said I was a business guru, and I can tell you luck has nothing to do with it.
Second, nothing is sitting in hmrc accounts. Really not sure what you mean by that. You don't pay tax on a business loan!!!!!!! I loaned the ltd company money, it owes me that back. I will take it at a later date. Simple.
Wow! How straight forward things become complicated on here never ceases to amaze me.
its only people second guessing and not really knowing what their talking about lee! ;D
good luck with it.my brothers a millionaire already(took 8 years!)he s just had an indoor swimming pool and cinema room added to his house!hes in perfume though(selling it.he has 14 websites all over europe)
8 years ago he was living in a 2 bed terraced house.now the house he lives in now is worth at least 1.5 million. :D
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
Taking back a loan now means that money doesn't count towards my personal income and therefore doesn't count towards accounts in profit for a mortgage. I will take it back after I buy the next house.
Don't worry we make enough lol
That don't make sense, you spent 250k on your business which means you can offset £250k against tax, why would you let that
sit in the HMRC's account until you buy your next house ?
First I never said I was a business guru, and I can tell you luck has nothing to do with it.
Second, nothing is sitting in hmrc accounts. Really not sure what you mean by that. You don't pay tax on a business loan!!!!!!! I loaned the ltd company money, it owes me that back. I will take it at a later date. Simple.
Wow! How straight forward things become complicated on here never ceases to amaze me.
Its you that's making them complicated I put £20k into my start up and was able to earn £20k on top of the personal allowance
before paying tax, that's all your doing only on a bigger scale.
You have spent your £250k which is owed to you, your business can earn that £250k and pay it back to you tax free, if you/ your business doesn't choose to do that then that £250k will be taxed, so I ask again why put off a tax saving of the sake of buying a
house later on.
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Well there's a few jealous haters oñ this forum it seems. Good on you lee and carry on with updates because i enjoy reading them and take alot from them. Isnt that what forums are for after all ?
Oh ok, so what do you take from his updates?
The word 'jealous' gets thrown around alot, but surely the most jealous person of all is the one whom lusts after riches, fame and glory. ::)roll
Take a look at the 7 deadly sins
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=7+deadly+sins&oq=7+dea&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j69i59j5j0.2641j0j4&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
And tell me how many you think Lee, or any other person with an aching desire for riches, fame and glory fit in to...
Just the one for me, wrath, towards anyone who fits into the other 6 ;D
But I'm generally a very nice guy, honest guv... ;D
Money is freedom
Freedom of choice
Freedom of worry
Freedom of time
Not a sin
We all live by it and some die by it
Its the reason we get out bed
Haha
Freedom exists without money
Choice exists without money
Time exists without money
Worry exists whether you have money or not
We don't get out of bed to make money, we get of bed to exist. If money disappeared tomorrow we would still get out of bed to exist.
Didn't some guy called Jesus live without almost any money, and is still remembered to this day?
(I'm atheist btw)
Money does not make a man, only his actions do.
Of course we need money, to eat, for a home, to travel and for all life's essentials. Once we reach a sustainable amount of income which covers all the above things, which I'm sure most of us on here have, then why do we need more money??
There is no real purpose in having more money.
I probably sound like I'm smoking hippie crack right now lol but having grown up in an age of forever wanting the next best thing, mobile phone, TV, new car, bigger house etc etc iv realised that every time I have 'upgraded', I have never really felt any better for doing so.
Another new iPhone out this year, I must buy it, even though my old one works fine.
Only bought my van 3 years ago, now there's a new model out already, I must start saving.
It goes on and on and on, yet I still feel exactly the same.
Yet playing with my kids, walking my dog, f**king my missis, becoming a vegan, staring at the stars on a clear night, those things make me happy.
And I can do those things with very little money.
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
Taking back a loan now means that money doesn't count towards my personal income and therefore doesn't count towards accounts in profit for a mortgage. I will take it back after I buy the next house.
Don't worry we make enough lol
That don't make sense, you spent 250k on your business which means you can offset £250k against tax, why would you let that
sit in the HMRC's account until you buy your next house ?
First I never said I was a business guru, and I can tell you luck has nothing to do with it.
Second, nothing is sitting in hmrc accounts. Really not sure what you mean by that. You don't pay tax on a business loan!!!!!!! I loaned the ltd company money, it owes me that back. I will take it at a later date. Simple.
Wow! How straight forward things become complicated on here never ceases to amaze me.
Its you that's making them complicated I put £20k into my start up and was able to earn £20k on top of the personal allowance
before paying tax, that's all your doing only on a bigger scale.
You have spent your £250k which is owed to you, your business can earn that £250k and pay it back to you tax free, if you/ your business doesn't choose to do that then that £250k will be taxed, so I ask again why put off a tax saving of the sake of buying a
house later on.
Not sure where you get your info mate but you don't pay tax on a business loan. End of. You pay tax on turnover.
Paying back a loan reduces a business net profit. A mortgage will be calculated against your net profit. So I will take my dividends, pay my tax and qualify for the mortgage I want. Once in the door I can repay myself the loan. That means I won't pay corporation tax or income tax on that amount.
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
Taking back a loan now means that money doesn't count towards my personal income and therefore doesn't count towards accounts in profit for a mortgage. I will take it back after I buy the next house.
Don't worry we make enough lol
That don't make sense, you spent 250k on your business which means you can offset £250k against tax, why would you let that
sit in the HMRC's account until you buy your next house ?
First I never said I was a business guru, and I can tell you luck has nothing to do with it.
Second, nothing is sitting in hmrc accounts. Really not sure what you mean by that. You don't pay tax on a business loan!!!!!!! I loaned the ltd company money, it owes me that back. I will take it at a later date. Simple.
Wow! How straight forward things become complicated on here never ceases to amaze me.
Its you that's making them complicated I put £20k into my start up and was able to earn £20k on top of the personal allowance
before paying tax, that's all your doing only on a bigger scale.
You have spent your £250k which is owed to you, your business can earn that £250k and pay it back to you tax free, if you/ your business doesn't choose to do that then that £250k will be taxed, so I ask again why put off a tax saving of the sake of buying a
house later on.
Not sure where you get your info mate but you don't pay tax on a business loan. End of. You pay tax on turnover.
Paying back a loan reduces a business net profit. A mortgage will be calculated against your net profit. So I will take my dividends, pay my tax and qualify for the mortgage I want. Once in the door I can repay myself the loan. That means I won't pay corporation tax or income tax on that amount.
I never said you pay tax on a business loan why would you as its not earnings, but I get what you mean about net profit when
applying for a mortgage, didn't think of that, thanks for the reply.
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Lee,
I am 68 and have no jealousy problems whatsoever. But a very serious tip. I have heard so many times about the company owing me money, that is often because nobody else would lend them the money, and the company never makes enough to pay them back.
Before you expand anymore, get your money back. enjoy it and let it make you a lot more. Remember "cash is King" debt is a burden. Good luck to you.
Taking back a loan now means that money doesn't count towards my personal income and therefore doesn't count towards accounts in profit for a mortgage. I will take it back after I buy the next house.
Don't worry we make enough lol
That don't make sense, you spent 250k on your business which means you can offset £250k against tax, why would you let that
sit in the HMRC's account until you buy your next house ?
First I never said I was a business guru, and I can tell you luck has nothing to do with it.
Second, nothing is sitting in hmrc accounts. Really not sure what you mean by that. You don't pay tax on a business loan!!!!!!! I loaned the ltd company money, it owes me that back. I will take it at a later date. Simple.
Wow! How straight forward things become complicated on here never ceases to amaze me.
Its you that's making them complicated I put £20k into my start up and was able to earn £20k on top of the personal allowance
before paying tax, that's all your doing only on a bigger scale.
You have spent your £250k which is owed to you, your business can earn that £250k and pay it back to you tax free, if you/ your business doesn't choose to do that then that £250k will be taxed, so I ask again why put off a tax saving of the sake of buying a
house later on.
Not sure where you get your info mate but you don't pay tax on a business loan. End of. You pay tax on turnover.
Paying back a loan reduces a business net profit. A mortgage will be calculated against your net profit. So I will take my dividends, pay my tax and qualify for the mortgage I want. Once in the door I can repay myself the loan. That means I won't pay corporation tax or income tax on that amount.
There's a few things not right there.
You pay tax on profit - not turnover.
A mortgage value loan amount is calculated on your income. SA106 is it? Can't remember but the lender isn't interested in your turnover or profit - just what you earn. As far as the lender is concerned you're self employed.
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As the director of a ltd company with 100% of the shares your income is the net profit of the business.
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As the director of a ltd company with 100% of the shares your income is the net profit of the business.
It could be. If you pay yourself 100% in dividends 100% of the net profit. But that would deny you the £10k (or whatever it is now) tax free and NI free salary. You could well make a loss and still pay yourself a salary so again it wouldn't follow.
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As the director of a ltd company with 100% of the shares your income is the net profit of the business.
It could be. If you pay yourself 100% in dividends 100% of the net profit. But that would deny you the £10k (or whatever it is now) tax free and NI free salary. You could well make a loss and still pay yourself a salary so again it wouldn't follow.
True.
You loose the personal allowance if you take dividends over 100k
I will be taking 100% of the net in order to qualify for the mortgage I want.
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At the end of the day who cares? Its not like its all fallen in he's lap. He lives/sleeps and breaths his business.
What lee is doing isnt genius by any means as like others have said anyone can do it if they throw the same money at it. Lee has gone for it to hit the top and im guessing he wont stop untill he gets there.
We should be thankful that he is shareing his journey with us, it is nice to hear how good and how big you can grow without everything falling apart, i once had 3 vans out but was a headache keeping track of everything with them not caring or doing a good job having so much time off etc that i gave up on it! Lee is pushing through and hitting it hard with 10 on the road. I can guarantee Lee has mega headaches making sure all gets done to standard and having his guys turn up and do what they are meant to do each day, the hardest part must be to trust his lads with the first cleans as it takes ages to master them.
It takes balls to do what lee has done selling up to go for it so hat off to the guy and i hope it all goes to plan.
here here very well said
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Some good points raised here.
I imagine it takes a few cleans to recoup the money, let alone start making a profit with all the costs involved. But its for long term gain I suppose (emphasis on long).
We got 8 new customers in July, without even trying to do anything. All bar one on GC, average clean price of £51.50 per customer, cleaned every 8 weeks. All local and next to existing work. 5 new customers so far this month, average £39, again all next to existing work.
I now have someone else working (2 in total plus me) so my job now is to actively seek new customers, the above figures are quite encouraging as what could eventually be achieved with goals and determination. The idea is to really hit my local area and refine, refine, refine.
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Its great if you have a solid base of loyal work. For me im not overly fussed about expansion unless i take on a helper which i aint going to do anymore. Ive trained up 3 or 4 guys over the years and dont fancy doing that anymore. So i class myself as lucky for the work i have got and the compactness of it.
I still pick up maybe 3 -5 new customers a month etc which is great to hear how many other shiners are doing the same. Thankfully im not loosing many but thats something to take into account if refining work etc. It doesnt really matter how many new customers nor average price of them if you are loosing X amount of customers through death or moving or economic reasons or refining your own work. For instance i recently dropped a customer and told them why as well, but later that day she was replaced. So i lost an £8 job and replaced it with £14 job instead. Sounds great but only a £6 increase per 4mths.
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Corporation tax is lower than the high rate of income tax. You'd be mad to pay yourself more than the 44000 or whatever it is.
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Corporation tax is lower than the high rate of income tax. You'd be mad to pay yourself more than the 44000 or whatever it is.
If he's after a mortgage he doesn't have a lot of choice as it's the only thing lenders are interested in these days.
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Corporation tax is lower than the high rate of income tax. You'd be mad to pay yourself more than the 44000 or whatever it is.
If he's after a mortgage he doesn't have a lot of choice as it's the only thing lenders are interested in these days.
Correct. You have to draw the money and pay the tax if you want it to count towards a mortgage. 😢
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I plan to make my other half a director and split the dividend to pay less tax
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I plan to make my other half a director and split the dividend to pay less tax
You have to really, but you'd better not split up. ;D
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Sorry Lee,
I strayed into nonsense areas there. My point was that you are lucky to live in an area where the average price per customer is £25.00. In mine and many other peoples areas our average would be about £12.00.
I suspect that your costs per customer, which are virtually the same nationally would be more than that.
Your ability to develop that into the business you have, deserves a great deal of respect.
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Sorry Lee,
I strayed into nonsense areas there. My point was that you are lucky to live in an area where the average price per customer is £25.00. In mine and many other peoples areas our average would be about £12.00.
I suspect that your costs per customer, which are virtually the same nationally would be more than that.
Your ability to develop that into the business you have, deserves a great deal of respect.
Costs would be more in the south east because of business premises and salaries. Salaries would be his main cost I'd think.
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I plan to make my other half a director and split the dividend to pay less tax
You have to really, but you'd better not split up. ;D
With the current divorce rate at 42%, the odds are in his favour!
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Well there's a few jealous haters oñ this forum it seems. Good on you lee and carry on with updates because i enjoy reading them and take alot from them. Isnt that what forums are for after all ?
Oh ok, so what do you take from his updates?
The word 'jealous' gets thrown around alot, but surely the most jealous person of all is the one whom lusts after riches, fame and glory. ::)roll
Take a look at the 7 deadly sins
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=7+deadly+sins&oq=7+dea&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j69i59j5j0.2641j0j4&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
And tell me how many you think Lee, or any other person with an aching desire for riches, fame and glory fit in to...
Just the one for me, wrath, towards anyone who fits into the other 6 ;D
But I'm generally a very nice guy, honest guv... ;D
Money is freedom
Freedom of choice
Freedom of worry
Freedom of time
Not a sin
We all live by it and some die by it
Its the reason we get out bed
Haha
Freedom exists without money
Choice exists without money
Time exists without money
Worry exists whether you have money or not
We don't get out of bed to make money, we get of bed to exist. If money disappeared tomorrow we would still get out of bed to exist.
Didn't some guy called Jesus live without almost any money, and is still remembered to this day?
(I'm atheist btw)
Money does not make a man, only his actions do.
Of course we need money, to eat, for a home, to travel and for all life's essentials. Once we reach a sustainable amount of income which covers all the above things, which I'm sure most of us on here have, then why do we need more money??
There is no real purpose in having more money.
I probably sound like I'm smoking hippie crack right now lol but having grown up in an age of forever wanting the next best thing, mobile phone, TV, new car, bigger house etc etc iv realised that every time I have 'upgraded', I have never really felt any better for doing so.
Another new iPhone out this year, I must buy it, even though my old one works fine.
Only bought my van 3 years ago, now there's a new model out already, I must start saving.
It goes on and on and on, yet I still feel exactly the same.
Yet playing with my kids, walking my dog, f**king my missis, becoming a vegan, staring at the stars on a clear night, those things make me happy.
And I can do those things with very little money.
Nah money makes the world go round!
Why bother working then?
I mean....l do get where your coming from, there are a small percent of the population that would rather buy a tent and eat berries from the bush and roadkill. But to live in the rat race you need cash, and the more you have the easier thing become for you.
You cant bang the missus and stare at the stars forever.....it doesnt sound bad though l agree but it does sound a bit unrealistic.
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And JESUS! theres a flippin fairytale for you!
Didnt we beleive the world was flat in them days too???
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And JESUS! theres a flippin fairytale for you!
Didnt we beleive the world was flat in them days too???
They did!
But in the bible it actually was scientifically accurate and said it was a sphere.
Not bad for a book that's thousands of years old.
:o :o :o
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And JESUS! theres a flippin fairytale for you!
Didnt we beleive the world was flat in them days too???
They did!
But in the bible it actually was scientifically accurate and said it was a sphere.
Not bad for a book that's thousands of years old.
:o :o :o
And yet for a fairy tale, why bother with xmass if based on a fairy tale.. (so many sheep!!) ....
Plus same fairy tale has governed our calander BC AC and plenty more.
The sad truth is we need money to live n survive as already been mentioned. Its a need. The rest depends on our wants as to how much we strife for above our needs and thats why all our goals are so different as that is dependant upon each individual. Some its family time, others family n riches and others its just riches.
lol im just glad im not helping the tax man become rich 😂
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Depends how you want to live
you could claim benefits, be on the dole etc and have everyday free to do what you wanted. roof over your head and food in the fridge and thats your basic needs met, if you have a family as well, great your sorted, just create some offspring and your purpose on earth is fulfilled. plenty of time for the simple things in life, walking, exercising, spending time with family etc.
Thats fine, for a while, i was unemployed for 9 month at one point, i quite enjoyed it at first really, went fishing a lot :D but it got boring fast, plenty of time and no money to do anything became depressing. sat around getting fat and watching jeremy kyle.
so whats he logical thing to do, get a decent job and earn some money, fine now you have the money but dont have the freedom. All us sole traders are a slave to the job, like it or not, we like the "freedom" of finishing when we want and having days off etc. except we are not free, we are at the mercy of our customers and if we want to stop working for any period we head back in the direction of the dole.
So the only logical thing to do is to get rich, build financial freedom and build a system that creates money with little input from yourself so you have both time and money.
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Depends how you want to live
you could claim benefits, be on the dole etc and have everyday free to do what you wanted. roof over your head and food in the fridge and thats your basic needs met, if you have a family as well, great your sorted, just create some offspring and your purpose on earth is fulfilled. plenty of time for the simple things in life, walking, exercising, spending time with family etc.
Thats fine, for a while, i was unemployed for 9 month at one point, i quite enjoyed it at first really, went fishing a lot :D but it got boring fast, plenty of time and no money to do anything became depressing. sat around getting fat and watching jeremy kyle.
so whats he logical thing to do, get a decent job and earn some money, fine now you have the money but dont have the freedom. All us sole traders are a slave to the job, like it or not, we like the "freedom" of finishing when we want and having days off etc. except we are not free, we are at the mercy of our customers and if we want to stop working for any period we head back in the direction of the dole.
So the only logical thing to do is to get rich, build financial freedom and build a system that creates money with little input from yourself so you have both time and money.
.i'm happy working 30-35 hours a week for great money (imo).taking most weekends off and 6 weeks holidays a year.I like working most of the time.it's hardly a chore because the hours are short which leaves plenty of time for the gym,drumming and chilling out with family,friends and taking the dog for a walk.
My life has never been so balanced and good with zero financial worries.
I'm happy with my lot and can easily pay my bills as I don't live beyond my means and have a good solid work ethic with a great profitable round with virtually zero stress.
A good way to live IMO.
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Depends how you want to live
you could claim benefits, be on the dole etc and have everyday free to do what you wanted. roof over your head and food in the fridge and thats your basic needs met, if you have a family as well, great your sorted, just create some offspring and your purpose on earth is fulfilled. plenty of time for the simple things in life, walking, exercising, spending time with family etc.
Thats fine, for a while, i was unemployed for 9 month at one point, i quite enjoyed it at first really, went fishing a lot :D but it got boring fast, plenty of time and no money to do anything became depressing. sat around getting fat and watching jeremy kyle.
so whats he logical thing to do, get a decent job and earn some money, fine now you have the money but dont have the freedom. All us sole traders are a slave to the job, like it or not, we like the "freedom" of finishing when we want and having days off etc. except we are not free, we are at the mercy of our customers and if we want to stop working for any period we head back in the direction of the dole.
So the only logical thing to do is to get rich, build financial freedom and build a system that creates money with little input from yourself so you have both time and money.
if this as only true !!!! you forgot to add you work all your life and then when you old and need care you have to sell everything to pay for it while the dollies get it for free still who really wins ?
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Depends how you want to live
you could claim benefits, be on the dole etc and have everyday free to do what you wanted. roof over your head and food in the fridge and thats your basic needs met, if you have a family as well, great your sorted, just create some offspring and your purpose on earth is fulfilled. plenty of time for the simple things in life, walking, exercising, spending time with family etc.
Thats fine, for a while, i was unemployed for 9 month at one point, i quite enjoyed it at first really, went fishing a lot :D but it got boring fast, plenty of time and no money to do anything became depressing. sat around getting fat and watching jeremy kyle.
so whats he logical thing to do, get a decent job and earn some money, fine now you have the money but dont have the freedom. All us sole traders are a slave to the job, like it or not, we like the "freedom" of finishing when we want and having days off etc. except we are not free, we are at the mercy of our customers and if we want to stop working for any period we head back in the direction of the dole.
So the only logical thing to do is to get rich, build financial freedom and build a system that creates money with little input from yourself so you have both time and money.
if this as only true !!!! you forgot to add you work all your life and then when you old and need care you have to sell everything to pay for it while the dollies get it for free still who really wins ?
Quite true.
My grandma is 80 odd had a stroke 2 years ago. Because she owned her own home and had some money if she went into a home she would have to sell her house to fund it taking away an inheritance she had wanted to hand down to her family.
Yet those who are skint get free care.
The system is designed so no one can win. Best thing to do is become rich asap and bugger off abroad.
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So Lee would you now consider your business fully leverageable should you choose?
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So Lee would you now consider your business fully leverageable should you choose?
I think the answer to that is in previous comments I have made on this thread.
To answer more clearly, no. Thats because im not finished spending to grow yet.
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A question for Lee
How many clients would you expect 2 people canvassing a road in a 6 hour period summer time and 4 hours in winter time? Based on average pricing , in Sussex and Surrey?
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A question for Lee
How many clients would you expect 2 people canvassing a road in a 6 hour period summer time and 4 hours in winter time? Based on average pricing , in Sussex and Surrey?
That's really how long is a piece of string mate. There are too many factors to answer that. I guess you will just have to get out there and do it.
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A question for Lee
How many clients would you expect 2 people canvassing a road in a 6 hour period summer time and 4 hours in winter time? Based on average pricing , in Sussex and Surrey?
That's really how long is a piece of string mate. There are too many factors to answer that. I guess you will just have to get out there and do it.
Or he can book a 3 hour consultation with you then take over the world :P
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Well done Lee.
Its taken me the year so far to get £8k new business. Although I haven't been actively seeking it so..
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Well done Lee.
Its taken me the year so far to get £8k new business. Although I haven't been actively seeking it so..
That's good going.
I think Ive taken on about 10k of new work this year. But I have been seeking it.
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Problem is i am hitting the limit of what i can do in the time i want to work.
I have Wednesday off for me time. So 4 days a week , 4 weeks a month.
If I do too much active seeking I won't be able to honour the work. Will be getting another van soon and get someone in it initially a day a week or something then go all out for expansion
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Problem is i am hitting the limit of what i can do in the time i want to work.
I have Wednesday off for me time. So 4 days a week , 4 weeks a month.
If I do too much active seeking I won't be able to honour the work. Will be getting another van soon and get someone in it initially a day a week or something then go all out for expansion
That's very similar to me Marc. I'm not full as in rammed Monday - Friday 8-5 but I am full enough for the hours I want to work. Which is probably 4 days worth.
I have been seeking it this year as I've only recently got to the full point. I started dthe year with 180 custys and now have a shade over 300 on the books but I've probably been through 200 this year as ive got through a hell of lot of dross to get there...
I found I have to seek it, if I stop pushing nothing happens. I think there's too much completion in the area but nevermind I don't mind investing to grow.
I stopped advertising about a month ago now and am going to keep ticking over and wait till the new year then set someone on part time and make another push and go for the Vat threshold as my next goal...
How big do you plan to expand?
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I want to get to a point where the business kind of runs itself with me off tools completely.
Been doing this now nearly 15 years so far and tbh im sick of the job.....by the time I'm 45 hopefully I will be able to be doing stuff i want to do and not work work work.
I'm only 37 so 8 years away. I had to build up the business again from scratch back in 2009 currently turning over approx £50k and its been hovering around that figure as I refine my workload and customer types, I'd probably be turning over near 60k now if I hadn't SOLD off my Farnham work but travel from Woking to Farnham was getting a pita so is had to go..no point turning over money if your wasting profits in traffic jams.
If I can generate 20k a year new business over the next 8 years that's 160k plus the 50 so. 200k turnover should be happy with that a few vans and guys cleaning windows my boy James will probably take over from there as I get into my 50's and I'll go touring eroupe on my motorcycle.
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I want to get to a point where the business kind of runs itself with me off tools completely.
Been doing this now nearly 15 years so far and tbh im sick of the job.....by the time I'm 45 hopefully I will be able to be doing stuff i want to do and not work work work.
I'm only 37 so 8 years away. I had to build up the business again from scratch back in 2009 currently turning over approx £50k and its been hovering around that figure as I refine my workload and customer types, I'd probably be turning over near 60k now if I hadn't SOLD off my Farnham work but travel from Woking to Farnham was getting a pita so is had to go..no point turning over money if your wasting profits in traffic jams.
If I can generate 20k a year new business over the next 8 years that's 160k plus the 50 so. 200k turnover should be happy with that a few vans and guys cleaning windows my boy James will probably take over from there as I get into my 50's and I'll go touring eroupe on my motorcycle.
You are a couple of years older than me then, getting off the tools is my only real goal, money doesn't motivate me that my much, I'm happy with the turnover I have but its the time to enjoy it that I want..I also want to try and get off the tools as soon as poss...
Funny that you mention Europe and bikes, thats my passion too, almost.. I'm a cyclist...but I love riding in the mountains of Europe..mainly italy as have family out there. The dream would be to take extended holidays out there whenever I fancy..although I don't think I could ever live abroad permanently there's something about good old England despite the weather etc.
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I love it when you guys say 'off the tools' as if window cleaning is some sort of skilled trade!
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A question for Lee
How many clients would you expect 2 people canvassing a road in a 6 hour period summer time and 4 hours in winter time? Based on average pricing, in Sussex and Surrey?
That's really how long is a piece of string mate. There are too many factors to answer that. I guess you will just have to get out there and do it.
Or he can book a 3 hour consultation with you then take over the world :P
I thought you were the man to ask, did you only do leaflets?