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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dan marsh on August 02, 2017, 08:42:06 pm
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Hi all sorry for another stupid question. With these big 3k systems you can bye and have mounted in you're van do you just fill then straght from your garden hose and the systems purify's as you work ? Or do you still need to put pure water in then to have them work best . Once again in sorry for the stupid question as I'm sure I know the answer to this one but just want to double check with you pros . Thanks
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It probably wouldn't produce pure fast enough whilst you were working if you tried to produce 'on the job'
Van mounted RO's are basically for those that dont want a static system (i.e a storage tank) but the theory is still the same
Turn RO on and fill up tank, one system fills the van, the other fills a storage tank/IBC...RO will still take the same amount of time to fill up with pure
Looking at another thread, you live in a flat. Anyone live near-ish to you that you could use their water supply? Maybe parents/other family wouldn't mind you putting an IBC in their garage/garden until you can find a more 'long term' solution..?
(Added - although I'm no pro ;D)
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With a van mount and a booster pump a friend can fill his 500ltr tank from a tap in 30 mins.
So if your able to park close to your flat and run a hose from window down to your van, on that basis it may not be an inconvienience.
Or a non van mounted RO (tho depending which one you get. For instance a 450gpd is smaller and slower than the bigger RO systems you can get) you fill into storage units and can be a little slower. So are you privy to any land at your flats under a window. So same idea as above but smaller tubing you could tack to the wall and run down to a couple of slimline water butts.
But if your tds isnt overly high you could run 2 DI vessels and quickly fill your tank from a friends access point??
So very simular points to Don Key, just because your in a flat it shouldnt limit your options.
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Your mates making 1000litres an hour?!?!
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With a van mount and a booster pump a friend can fill his 500ltr tank from a tap in 30 mins.
So if your able to park close to your flat and run a hose from window down to your van, on that basis it may not be an inconvienience.
Or a non van mounted RO (tho depending which one you get. For instance a 450gpd is smaller and slower than the bigger RO systems you can get) you fill into storage units and can be a little slower. So are you privy to any land at your flats under a window. So same idea as above but smaller tubing you could tack to the wall and run down to a couple of slimline water butts.
But if your tds isnt overly high you could run 2 DI vessels and quickly fill your tank from a friends access point??
So very simular points to Don Key, just because your in a flat it shouldnt limit your options.
i dont believe hes making that much in half an hour, is that through 3-4 40/40 membranes or something or DI. Thats about 16lt a min of pure never mind any waste.
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sorry my bad, i've just seen his van system ;D
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Well thers absalouty no chance for me as I live above a shops with no parking. But my buisnes partner has a house with drive and a small let's say shed running down the side off his house. We have spoke about doing it from his place but he wouldn't have enough space to put a big tank in his shed as not big enough and these ro systems look like they take a long time to fill up. But if we could find an ro system that would only take 30mins to to fill our van each morning then that would defantly be something we could look on to . How do i find these ro systems ? If only found these systems that you set up near you're sink . Think there about £100 . Think pure freedom do them .
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Di vessels mate!
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With a van mount and a booster pump a friend can fill his 500ltr tank from a tap in 30 mins.
So if your able to park close to your flat and run a hose from window down to your van, on that basis it may not be an inconvienience.
Or a non van mounted RO (tho depending which one you get. For instance a 450gpd is smaller and slower than the bigger RO systems you can get) you fill into storage units and can be a little slower. So are you privy to any land at your flats under a window. So same idea as above but smaller tubing you could tack to the wall and run down to a couple of slimline water butts.
But if your tds isnt overly high you could run 2 DI vessels and quickly fill your tank from a friends access point??
So very simular points to Don Key, just because your in a flat it shouldnt limit your options.
i dont believe hes making that much in half an hour, is that through 3-4 40/40 membranes or something or DI. Thats about 16lt a min of pure never mind any waste.
I took it to be a 500ltr tank, maybe its a 350 instead.
But whichever size it is, he told me it takes about 30mins to fill.
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For those thinking about making water that live with actual ground ..... think outside the box.... bury
your tanks, combine with rain harvesting .... there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Like others have said if you land space is limited.... find a place, warehouse, storage unit, farm unit, friends place, other similar business operators...when your choices become limited, allow your mind to think 'unlimited'.
http://www.smithsofthedean.co.uk/rainsavers/rain-harvesting-system.html
http://www.smithsofthedean.co.uk/water-tanks/underground-water-tanks.html
or there is this, very overlooked here in the U.K but very popular in the states ... https://shopwindowcleaningresource.com/tucker-ro-di-cart.html
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http://www.daqua.co.uk/ro_systems.htm
4040 RO membrane, much better than the 450gpd RO's (I've had both)
Faster and more efficient, you should get 100litres per hour minimum (not quite the 1000 l/h quoted above though so I'm interested to see what RO that is...)
In your situation I'd van mount a 4040 at your 'business partners' with an auto shut off valve.
Connect/plug in to outdoor tap when you get back and it should take around 5 hours to fill a 500 litre tank in your van (depending on flow rate and pressure) and then will automatically shut off...
Disconnect and lock up before beddy byes and jobs a good 'un.
When you get into a better position, you can take all the RO out and set up a static system in the future
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With a van mount and a booster pump a friend can fill his 500ltr tank from a tap in 30 mins.
So if your able to park close to your flat and run a hose from window down to your van, on that basis it may not be an inconvienience.
Or a non van mounted RO (tho depending which one you get. For instance a 450gpd is smaller and slower than the bigger RO systems you can get) you fill into storage units and can be a little slower. So are you privy to any land at your flats under a window. So same idea as above but smaller tubing you could tack to the wall and run down to a couple of slimline water butts.
But if your tds isnt overly high you could run 2 DI vessels and quickly fill your tank from a friends access point??
So very simular points to Don Key, just because your in a flat it shouldnt limit your options.
i dont believe hes making that much in half an hour, is that through 3-4 40/40 membranes or something or DI. Thats about 16lt a min of pure never mind any waste.
I took it to be a 500ltr tank, maybe its a 350 instead.
But whichever size it is, he told me it takes about 30mins to fill.
Even at 350 thats still over 11lt a minute without any waste what R/O does he use then?
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He has a purefreedom van mount system with a " powerful booster" pump (his words)
Why does this seem impossible to some as i dont understand. Another lad I know also has a van mount with booster pump though not sure his tank size but again it doesnt take him long to fill the tank either.
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Well thers absalouty no chance for me as I live above a shops with no parking. But my buisnes partner has a house with drive and a small let's say shed running down the side off his house. We have spoke about doing it from his place but he wouldn't have enough space to put a big tank in his shed as not big enough and these ro systems look like they take a long time to fill up. But if we could find an ro system that would only take 30mins to to fill our van each morning then that would defantly be something we could look on to . How do i find these ro systems ? If only found these systems that you set up near you're sink . Think there about £100 . Think pure freedom do them .
Don Kee has given you your best option, you're going to have to be realistic about this, you're not going to get a standard 40/40 R/O unit with just 1 membrane producing 350/500lt in half an hour, to get this sort of rate your going to need to have a system with probably around 3 40/40 membranes connected with a booster pump ..something like this https://www.grippatank.co.uk/grippapro-s3800-ro-pro-static-system-800-1600lph (you would be able to get it cheaper then this if you built it yourself). Why dont you see if you can buy water for the time being from someone local who may sell it, other then that find a lockup or something to rent out.
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He has a purefreedom van mount system with a " powerful booster" pump (his words)
Why does this seem impossible to some as i dont understand. Another lad I know also has a van mount with booster pump though not sure his tank size but again it doesnt take him long to fill the tank either.
Not sure what a powerful booster really means a membrane is rated at 80psi or 100psi so a booster doesn't need to be any more powerful than that with 1 membrane. Even with the 350 running at 50-50 waste to pure means there needs to be at least 23 lt a min coming out of the membrane. Fair play if he does but i find it hard to believe.
Presuming he has something like this http://purefreedom.co.uk/product/2400-gpd-high-volume-reverse-osmosis-system-40-membrane-40-hf5-2/ they say it produces 10910lt per day (24 hours) so about 454lt an hour so about 227 per half hour and we all know the claims made by these suppliers are with perfect water temp etc etc and are never actually acheived.
The above is why i seem it not possible.
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Well thers absalouty no chance for me as I live above a shops with no parking. But my buisnes partner has a house with drive and a small let's say shed running down the side off his house. We have spoke about doing it from his place but he wouldn't have enough space to put a big tank in his shed as not big enough and these ro systems look like they take a long time to fill up. But if we could find an ro system that would only take 30mins to to fill our van each morning then that would defantly be something we could look on to . How do i find these ro systems ? If only found these systems that you set up near you're sink . Think there about £100 . Think pure freedom do them .
Don Kee has given you your best option, you're going to have to be realistic about this, you're not going to get a standard 40/40 R/O unit with just 1 membrane producing 350/500lt in half an hour, to get this sort of rate your going to need to have a system with probably around 3 40/40 membranes connected with a booster pump ..something like this https://www.grippatank.co.uk/grippapro-s3800-ro-pro-static-system-800-1600lph (you would be able to get it cheaper then this if you built it yourself). Why dont you see if you can buy water for the time being from someone local who may sell it, other then that find a lockup or something to rent out.
Wouldn't matter as domestic plumbing wouldn't be able to cope with that sort of output, it would need to be connected
directly to the water mains or some sort of commercial supply to achieve 350/500lts in half an hour.
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He has a purefreedom van mount system with a " powerful booster" pump (his words)
Why does this seem impossible to some as i dont understand. Another lad I know also has a van mount with booster pump though not sure his tank size but again it doesnt take him long to fill the tank either.
Domestic plumbing wouldn't be able to take the output as half inch piping restricts the flow, for him to be getting your numbers
he would have to be bypassing the house plumbing and taking it directly from the mains which is illegal.
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Why not just buy a ro/di van mount system and run a hose from your mates house..plug the hose in a external van port and lock the doors and leave it to fill overnight? Solenoid will turn the water off so i dont see a problem here ???
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That's perfect . So just leave the outside tap on let the water work throgh the ro system with a hose from the ro straght out to the van with an external attachment to the van mount systems. Sorry I'm not a diy kinda guy so there is a device that can tell when the systeam is full and can automatically stop it ?
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I think Nathan's mate is called billy .... billy bull $hit
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That's perfect . So just leave the outside tap on let the water work throgh the ro system with a hose from the ro straght out to the van with an external attachment to the van mount systems. Sorry I'm not a diy kinda guy so there is a device that can tell when the system is full and can automatically stop it ?
Thats about it..there will be waste water as well from the r/o so you will need to be able to let that run down a drain or something. As a rough estimate/guideline for every litre of pure made there will be about 2-3 lt of tap water used depending how you have your waste output set. Yes there is a device that will switch off everything and stop making water once your tank is full.
If i was you being that you really dont know much with regards to r/o systems and all the extra's that come with them, try and get yourself to this show http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=209190.0 you will have all major suppliers there all demonstrating there gear so you can see it all at first hand and how it works and ask as many questions as you like, you may also get a better deal on a system then buying over the net.
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Disagree, as a newbie the last place you will want to go to is a show, you will end up with a boot load full of useless rubbish claiming to do everything from making glass transparent to controlling the weather.
Get yourself to one of the reputable dealers such as Gardiners and they will sort you out with what you need and only what
you need.
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Disagree, as a newbie the last place you will want to go to is a show, you will end up with a boot load full of useless rubbish claiming to do everything from making glass transparent to controlling the weather.
Get yourself to one of the reputable dealers such as Gardiners and they will sort you out with what you need and only what
you need.
i disagree ;D at least he can see things in action and how they work does not need to buy anything.
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have you checked your tap tds?you might only need a DI(mines 029)
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No not checked it yet but as I'm right down on the south coast I'm guessing it's very high .
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Anyway as I said on another post I'll be starting up with a trolley systeam for 6 months or so untill I really no wot I'm doing and have a decent amount of clients and when the right time comes I'll then look to invest well . Just trying to get some sort of ideas about how and wots the best way for my situation . Thanks for all the tips and advice people much appreciated
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No not checked it yet but as I'm right down on the south coast I'm guessing it's very high .
get a tds meter first and check it.if its under 099 then go DI only.its much easier and quicker than faffing about with ROs.
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Anyway as I said on another post I'll be starting up with a trolley systeam for 6 months or so untill I really no wot I'm doing and have a decent amount of clients and when the right time comes I'll then look to invest well . Just trying to get some sort of ideas about how and wots the best way for my situation . Thanks for all the tips and advice people much appreciated
The only other thing, bit of a ball ache mind, but you could make the water in your flat using 25lt barrels and just carry them down stairs in the morning, depending on what trolley you get they would fit straight on it. Depending on how much water you need every day to start with you might get by with this method for a little while, not ideal but if needs must its an option.
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Anyway as I said on another post I'll be starting up with a trolley systeam for 6 months or so untill I really no wot I'm doing and have a decent amount of clients and when the right time comes I'll then look to invest well . Just trying to get some sort of ideas about how and wots the best way for my situation . Thanks for all the tips and advice people much appreciated
The only other thing, bit of a ball ache mind, but you could make the water in your flat using 25lt barrels and just carry them down stairs in the morning, depending on what trolley you get they would fit straight on it. Depending on how much water you need every day to start with you might get by with this method for a little while, not ideal but if needs must its an option.
Or very similar.....i like it thinking outside the box.
Grab a couple of slim waterbuts and do same as above. Or attach a hosepipe to bottom of the waterbutts and lead it downstairs and either fill 25ltr barrels in car or just downstairs.
Like you said its a faff, but then atleastbits do able and your able to work.
Lol i used to walk several miles pushing a bike with my ladders and equipment on when my car broke down and I carried on doing this for some months. Whatbwould take less than ten mins in a car to get to work would take me an hour
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Dazmond I just had a look on the net and apparently my area is at 270 parts per million.
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That's higher than George Michael mate, you need an RO
Consider the van mount with auto shut off, and fill up at your mates; looks your best bet at the moment
(Added - hang about, the van mount might be a struggle if you're using a trolley as you'll have to fill up a load of 25litre barrells individually rather than a (for example) 650litre in one go... is there no one you can go and take a look at theirs and ask for advice? You mind find it easier to actually see what people are on about)
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Yeah as I said befor for first six months or so im just going to bye the water in at 3p a liter while useing the trolie systeam an then once I got my Foot in the door and things are looking good I'll then upgrade to big mounted systeam at least that's the plan at mo . I've been in contact with a local window cleaning company and I'm hopping to be out for a few days next week with them to show me the ropes . So I'll ask as many questions as posible then .
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Get a backpack and stick that on a trolley if you're just testing waters, it'll be much cheaper and do the same thing
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Yeah I've looked in to them but heard quite a few people moaning about them that they not that good or well made an will go wrong fairly quick and it's a pain having to fill up all the time . I'm one hundred percent commited to this new buisnes and do hope to get a strong round going asap with money going to wards lefflets an fb so not so much thinking about wot if it don't work out but just want to take it one step at a time so basicly not rush in to buying a massive systeam when I've not got a clue wot in doing at first . If that all makes sense
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Yeah I've looked in to them but heard quite a few people moaning about them that they not that good or well made an will go wrong fairly quick and it's a pain having to fill up all the time . I'm one hundred percent commited to this new buisnes and do hope to get a strong round going asap with money going to wards lefflets an fb so not so much thinking about wot if it don't work out but just want to take it one step at a time so basicly not rush in to buying a massive systeam when I've not got a clue wot in doing at first . If that all makes sense
When i first transitioned from working traditionally to wfp, i was going down a similar line of thought as you. I was going to invest in a pure freedom trolley set up and then if I liked it I could simply convert that into a van mount later. Im glad i didnt for a number of reasons, plus the cost of what looks a basic setup and many of the reviews is how heavy the thing is as well!!
So it may be a good thought at the moment, but many on here have tried these same approaches as your mentioning. Many may feel as I did, that now looking back at what I now know about it, I would have done it a whole lot different and perhaps save a couple of hundred (or more!) In the process.
Using a heavy trolley whilst you try and break into this line of work might kill the enthusiasm as well?! (trying not to make this negative) whereas a gardiner back pack, 20 - 30m of pole hose and perhaps a clx pole (if funds allow go for a SLX) would work out cheaper whilst you learn the ropes. So if things progress the way you want to, you've saved money to invest in a van mount and you keep a trolley system which is small and light enough to fit in the van as well
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Hmmmm good idea . I'm prepaird to part way with 1k for systeam an slx 35 so for the same money could get a slx35 an a slx 25 with 2 back pack's as I'm going to be in a partnership then that way we can both work together straght away an get the work done quicker . Or just get the slx 35 an one pack to start with then once bunnies picks up then get a second . Ooooo so many ways off doing things just not sure which way to go . Great ideas tho guys cheers
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Will ussing a back pack restrict me to ground an first floor only tho ? As there are a lot off old Victorian buildings and lots off new 2 an 3 storie buildings around where I live and I don't want to pass all that work up . Just didn't think the pumps on these back pack's were that strong or is that not the case ?
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Heres food for thought also on different options. Dont know if youve seen this vid on you tube or not. I came across it by chance a year back and I thought it makes an interesting watch, especially to perhaps expand on and slightly improve perhaps.
https://youtu.be/bKb-sjFf5mc
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Cheers nathan yeah I've seen it already. I think I've actualy run out off YouTube vids to watch as I've seen them all I think including all the Steven lee vids . I've seen them all . The isue I have us the more I watch them all them I can't decide wot I want to go for . To be fair money is not a really prob as between me an my partner well have around 8k to spend on the holl lot including van , insurance, publuc liability, van signage , web page an marketing. Then once things start going well well also have a further 15k or so to spend on a second van and bigger better systeam . Just can't decide how to start of but we not planning on being up an running till October time so still got some time to go yet .
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I've got the gardiners backpack and have cleaned the back of a 4 storey building with it, no problems
How expensie do you think a wfp system is?
I got set up with a DIY van mount for under £1k (your budget) when I first started
Might not have looked fantastic but it got water to the end of the pole/brush head
Setting up the equipment and cleaning is the easy bit, getting the customers in and your money in is where the graft will be
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Ok cool I thought I read somewhere that the gardiner back pack comes with a 60 psi pump not a onehoundred psi pump so wasn't sure but if you say it can reach that hight then great news .