Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Anderson on May 17, 2017, 07:29:23 am
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Been doing this wfp lark for a few years now and ok I am approaching my 49th birthday and find that each day my body is so very tired.... Given that most of us are pretty much 'self-taught' using wfp do you think you really have a handle on how much to scrub i.e effort etc?
I suppose we have all seen the superfast YOUTUBE cleans where window and frames get a quick lick and ta-dah... Supershiney but to be honest in the real world I doubt it would cut the mustard.
Now I would consider myself pretty fit & healthy.... run between 50 to 90 km's per week, do crossfit, light kettlebell work out before & after work to get my muscles warmed up and eat very healthy.
Poles...SLX and light brushes , 8 weekly cleans, even made a super-small pole for bottoms with a mk1 slx.
Rather than anyone feeling the need to tell me I am doing the whole thing wrong :-) would love to hear from those who have experienced this and made changes and how they have helped.
Anyone feeling it ?
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Yeah
I'm 60 >:(
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Yeah , sometimes I do think to myself I start scrubbing and rinsing to much . So to remind me of how to do it , I always refer back to how the pro does it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YO2n4YbwdEA
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I'm roughly 14 years wfp and can definitely feel its effects on my body the neck pain is the worst.
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Been doing this wfp lark for a few years now and ok I am approaching my 49th birthday and find that each day my body is so very tired.... Given that most of us are pretty much 'self-taught' using wfp do you think you really have a handle on how much to scrub i.e effort etc?
I suppose we have all seen the superfast YOUTUBE cleans where window and frames get a quick lick and ta-dah... Supershiney but to be honest in the real world I doubt it would cut the mustard.
Now I would consider myself pretty fit & healthy.... run between 50 to 90 km's per week, do crossfit, light kettlebell work out before & after work to get my muscles warmed up and eat very healthy.
Poles...SLX and light brushes .....
Anyone feeling it ?
Maybe your working out TOO much and your body hasn't got time to recover, it might not be anything to do with wfp
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I'm roughly 14 years wfp and can definitely feel its effects on my body the neck pain is the worst.
Yes, been working a good few hours the last few weeks and the neck is suffering.
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Yep as little as possible, sometime brush on glass sometimes off, try to let brush do the job for me
8 weekly work will possibly take longer to scrub clean, my twelve weekly take more energy
I sometime save water and ernergy and change movement by using cloth on downstairs sills as I find sill can often take to many a movement when a cloth is quicker
Trouble is, this job can make you tired it's similar movements all day, bracing your body as we push lots of side ways movements, you'd think we'd be some super fit fitness instructor, sad reality is, wfp takes its toll as we get older
I too stretch before work and after normally 10-15 mins I'll also go to allotment,all different movements,i don't get tired from work, as I'm not into long days, just aches more sometime hurts
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Been doing this wfp lark for a few years now and ok I am approaching my 49th birthday and find that each day my body is so very tired.... Given that most of us are pretty much 'self-taught' using wfp do you think you really have a handle on how much to scrub i.e effort etc?
I suppose we have all seen the superfast YOUTUBE cleans where window and frames get a quick lick and ta-dah... Supershiney but to be honest in the real world I doubt it would cut the mustard.
Now I would consider myself pretty fit & healthy.... run between 50 to 90 km's per week, do crossfit, light kettlebell work out before & after work to get my muscles warmed up and eat very healthy.
Poles...SLX and light brushes , 8 weekly cleans, even made a super-small pole for bottoms with a mk1 slx.
Rather than anyone feeling the need to tell me I am doing the whole thing wrong :-) would love to hear from those who have experienced this and made changes and how they have helped.
Anyone feeling it ?
i reckon your exercising too much and need more rest between your workouts/running sessions.your not 25 anymore.listen to your body instead of pushing it to the limit.
im 45 and workout 3 times a week(weights and cardio).sometimes i do 4 workouts a week if i get time but TBH its too much with my busy workload,gigs,rehearsing(i play drums in a band) etc.i feel better working out less.if i feel really tired ill take a whole week off from the gym.
as for window cleaning.i too use SLX and xtreme poles and im like a well oiled machine in regards to working through my days work schedule.i very rarely actually work (on the glass time)more than 5 or 6 hours a day,4 or 5 days a week and have most weekends off.in fact i cant remember the last time i worked on a weekend.
i also have 2 weeks off at xmas,at least a few weeks break for holidays abroad and another couple of weeks for just chilling out/DIY jobs etc.
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Yep as little as possible, sometime brush on glass sometimes off, try to let brush do the job for me
8 weekly work will possibly take longer to scrub clean, my twelve weekly take more energy
I sometime save water and ernergy and change movement by using cloth on downstairs sills as I find sill can often take to many a movement when a cloth is quicker
Trouble is, this job can make you tired it's similar movements all day, bracing your body as we push lots of side ways movements, you'd think we'd be some super fit fitness instructor, sad reality is, wfp takes its toll as we get older
I too stretch before work and after normally 10-15 mins I'll also go to allotment,all different movements,i don't get tired from work, as I'm not into long days, just aches more sometime hurts
i never stretch before and after work and i never do it before and after working out either and im fine.
its a myth that stretching does you any good anyway.in fact it could cause an injury.raising your core body temperature is more important.
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Been doing this wfp lark for a few years now and ok I am approaching my 49th birthday and find that each day my body is so very tired.... Given that most of us are pretty much 'self-taught' using wfp do you think you really have a handle on how much to scrub i.e effort etc?
I suppose we have all seen the superfast YOUTUBE cleans where window and frames get a quick lick and ta-dah... Supershiney but to be honest in the real world I doubt it would cut the mustard.
Now I would consider myself pretty fit & healthy.... run between 50 to 90 km's per week, do crossfit, light kettlebell work out before & after work to get my muscles warmed up and eat very healthy.
Poles...SLX and light brushes , 8 weekly cleans, even made a super-small pole for bottoms with a mk1 slx.
Rather than anyone feeling the need to tell me I am doing the whole thing wrong :-) would love to hear from those who have experienced this and made changes and how they have helped.
Anyone feeling it ?
Yes mate definately! Its a hard graft this game.
I have to adjust my working practices, the scrubbing is the killing point for me. The lest the best. I always carry some white top scourers in my pocket so if anything downstairs is a bit tougher to remove i do it with that instead, upstairs i have a gardiners scraper with a white top scourer ziptied on. Save on scrubbing. Also have a 100ml bottle of virosol in my pouch so anything tough to remove should arise i will squeeze a bit on the brush and that helps too. I will "rinse on" on upstairs if they are hard work but not a massive fan of it.
Dave...have you revised the way you train lately? As we age our testosterone levels decline(testosterone gives us our strength and energy) google the effects of endurance training on testosterone, its realy bad. Google HIIT training also its shorter and way more effective and actualy helps with testosterone instead of killing it.
Read stuart mcroberts book called beyond brawn, its available as a free download pdf if you search it. Awesome book and its changed the way i now train for good. I have been training for 20 years and i can no longer train the way i used to, this book has been a massive help to my energy levels and vitality, if i would of kept up the way i trained i would be fxxcked for sure.
Also pay focused attention to REST i cant stress that enough.
Wfp is hard work i mean my neck is goosed but through smart management it can be alot easier, im still learning myself.
Whatch out for the scrubbing.
I cant clean windows in a flash as some claim, i have tried it and it doesnt clean up so well for me. But try to a little less on each window and by the end of the day it adds up.
Also i feel a lot less fatigue now i am no longer "hammering the herb" a lot less stress on my heart also as it puts 20-30 beats per minute on top of the usual. I have gone from an average of 90-100 bpm down to 60-70 bpm since i stopped.
Do you meditate? Google the benefits.
Stay healthy, live long and prosper.
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Try pushing up to scrub and letting the pole slide through your hands on the way down so you have less up and down movements hot water helps no end
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Early nights help i find more sleep for me means more energy next day I know it's an obvious statement but it's so true,I'll get away with 1-2 late nights after that I feel drained especially in the hotter weather.
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Please dont take this the wrong way but i believe cross fit is heavly links with the paleo style diet? Mark sisson from the primal blue print talks about chronic cardio, the human body was designed to mainly amble, crawl , jump sometimes do short sprints and sometimes carry heavy thinks. I would definalty put it down to the amount of cardio you are doing, im not saying stop as i myself eaat this way and train twice a day 6 days a week and mark sisson was a marrathon runner. Also i stopped working on the glass not that long ago , get what, still tired and achy everyday!
What i would reccomend is take lots of omega 3 fish oil, and keep uour diet 100% but modify it. Get carbs in after yor excersise and imcorporate a yoga program, yoga will help you massivly, look on youtube. Training this much and you have to modify things my friend
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Tosh is a guy i believe trains at a high level, he will have some tricks to reduce your fatigue !
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With amount of activity you need some massive amounts of calories , i would look for the slowburning fats over the carbs
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My thoughts is Alex spends to long on one Payne of glass lol 😁
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run between 50 to 90 km's per week, do crossfit, light kettlebell work out before & after work
Absolutely no idea why you'd be knackered.
None whatsoever.
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Go left handed every other day. Works for me.
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Go right handed every other day. Works for me.
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Yoga stretches do work wonders I do them every evening,I got a foam roller a couple of years ago it works wonders one roll up it my whole back clicks back in after a hard days work.
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Get someone else to do it works for lol 😁
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I feel your pain, literally. My neck is never right!
I started with no customers and built up a good round from scratch. This gave my body time to adjust to the demands which is helpful. I ended up flat out five days a week, training four days too.
Got two franchisees now and another business which is not manual work. I spread my own window cleaning out over the whole week and never do more than two full days on the bounce. I do my commercial jobs either at the crack of dawn or early on a Sunday. I take at least one full day off during the week and try not to do too much any single day. I am 51.
The young guys who work six full days a week will eventually feel the strain but you know how it is. You can't tell kids anything and we were all the same.
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foam rollers are good, but dont roll the lower back, use it like a see saw
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Some awesome tips peeps..Thanks ! ;)
Shrek/Dazmond.... Yeah you might be right i.e body not getting rested/recovered enough :-)
Paul Alan some good points there and yeah I do HIIT/Crossfit wods ranging from the 'Girls' to things like Filthy 50 etc :), heart rate at rest is about 46bpm most days even with a little 'herb' ;), meditate yes a little but find it hard to completely 'empty' my head. Will check out the book ...Cheers
Michael Peterson good point with the nutrition... currently eat KETO so eat very little carbs anyway and eat fat by the bucket load :)
Again cheers to everyone for the tips and input...
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up the carbs and give yourself a bit more rest and you ll be fine dave.
low carb is not good for you long term mate esp if your into endurance training
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Daz I'm keto at this time in order to be able to train for a 200km Ultra in september without being keto I will never be able to do it... ps carbs are over-rated anyhow.... more than likely why the modern world is plagued with so many ailments due to obesity and or high amounts of carbs.... But cheers fir taking the time with the advice
:)
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Your doing way too much. Cut your working hours down.
I am 51. run with the dog s for 2 mins every day :)
Eat nothing but full English and curry's.
Go to bed at 1 am with a skin full of ale :)
Have 1 hour sleep every afternoon before kids get home
:)
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in my opinion, i have eaten keto before over a year as well as the vince geronda steak and eggs diet, i truly prefer a more primal approach including plenty of non carby veg (to go in and out of ketosis) this wont deprive yourself of some of the most nutritional foods on the planet, but good on you man, anyone who hasnt gone keto wont understand the will power it can take at times.
the other way you could ensure your get all of your vitamins, (and i would suppliment some if you are on keto) is to eat the whole animal, insides and all. keep that meat red and keep it fatty bro !
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Daz I'm keto at this time in order to be able to train for a 200km Ultra in september without being keto I will never be able to do it... ps carbs are over-rated anyhow.... more than likely why the modern world is plagued with so many ailments due to obesity and or high amounts of carbs.... But cheers fir taking the time with the advice
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your bound to feel tired if your doing all that training on a low carb diet at your age plus your daily window cleaning work.ive got a mate whos trying to get me to do a tough mudder event but im not interested.i really dont understand why people push their bodies to the limit.he loves it though!. ;D
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I feel your pain, literally. My neck is never right!
I started with no customers and built up a good round from scratch. This gave my body time to adjust to the demands which is helpful. I ended up flat out five days a week, training four days too.
Got two franchisees now and another business which is not manual work. I spread my own window cleaning out over the whole week and never do more than two full days on the bounce. I do my commercial jobs either at the crack of dawn or early on a Sunday. I take at least one full day off during the week and try not to do too much any single day. I am 51.
The young guys who work six full days a week will eventually feel the strain but you know how it is. You can't tell kids anything and we were all the same.
and never do more than two full days on the bounce
Fixed that for you Tom!
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I feel your pain, literally. My neck is never right!
I started with no customers and built up a good round from scratch. This gave my body time to adjust to the demands which is helpful. I ended up flat out five days a week, training four days too.
Got two franchisees now and another business which is not manual work. I spread my own window cleaning out over the whole week and never do more than two full days on the bounce. I do my commercial jobs either at the crack of dawn or early on a Sunday. I take at least one full day off during the week and try not to do too much any single day. I am 51.
The young guys who work six full days a week will eventually feel the strain but you know how it is. You can't tell kids anything and we were all the same.
and never do more than two full days on the bounce
Fixed that for you Tom!
Cheers David :-)
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To add to this........i read somewhere on the wca about long term neck injuries that people can get from this kind of work.
People in other poorer countries have being doing something similar using poles to pick fruit from trees for years and have been studied with regards to neck injuries, not good!
Its got something to do with the spine at base of the neck being compressed and we can degenorate our bones in this area, also reducing the bloodflow can cause brain damage according to what i read. Drastic sounding i know but something to be aware of.
I now try to keep my head down whilst working at height but its a constant battle as everytime im not concentrating on my neck i find im in pain again. I also suffer with the muscles at the front of neck they have been in constant pain for years.
Anyone got any good tips or advice for this??
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Some awesome tips peeps..Thanks ! ;)
Shrek/Dazmond.... Yeah you might be right i.e body not getting rested/recovered enough :-)
Paul Alan some good points there and yeah I do HIIT/Crossfit wods ranging from the 'Girls' to things like Filthy 50 etc :), heart rate at rest is about 46bpm most days even with a little 'herb' ;), meditate yes a little but find it hard to completely 'empty' my head. Will check out the book ...Cheers
Michael Peterson good point with the nutrition... currently eat KETO so eat very little carbs anyway and eat fat by the bucket load :)
Again cheers to everyone for the tips and input...
Crickey dave..... heres me trying to give you advice ha!
Sounds to me like your pretty well dialled in.
I too have tried keto diets, do you ever worry about eating all that fat and your arteries?
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>> Paul Alan... Eating fat...narh were designed to eat loads of fats..... its the carbs were not so used to... Worried narh.... going to be a long time dead so a little fat is not going to do me any harm...given that I kinda wrecked my body for about 40 years smoking drinking, whoring :)
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>> Paul Alan... Eating fat...narh were designed to eat loads of fats..... its the carbs were not so used to... Worried narh.... going to be a long time dead so a little fat is not going to do me any harm...given that I kinda wrecked my body for about 40 years smoking drinking, whoring :)
The joys of living in Amsterdam
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You don't really need to scrub if your prepared.
For bird poos and organic matter that would normally be difficult I simply pop a dash of bio washing powder on the bristles, apply a little water and brush on leave it and carry on with the other windows. Come back and it melts away.
Second thing to do is go for a pole that's not necessarily the lightest on the market. I found that whilst light poles are easy to use, if you need to scrub you have to apply more weight behind the bristles which requires more effort. With a slightly heavier pole, you can use the poles own weight to your advantage. And lastly when scrubbing, try not to splay the bristles as all your doing is rubbing along the edges of the bristles as they splay out. Try to keep pressure on the ends of the bristles.
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You don't really need to scrub if your prepared.
For bird poos and organic matter that would normally be difficult I simply pop a dash of bio washing powder on the bristles, apply a little water and brush on leave it and carry on with the other windows. Come back and it melts away.
Second thing to do is go for a pole that's not necessarily the lightest on the market. I found that whilst light poles are easy to use, if you need to scrub you have to apply more weight behind the bristles which requires more effort. With a slightly heavier pole, you can use the poles own weight to your advantage. And lastly when scrubbing, try not to splay the bristles as all your doing is rubbing along the edges of the bristles as they splay out. Try to keep pressure on the ends of the bristles.
best thing to do with birdmuck is give it a soak as soon as your aware that theres some on a window.this is what i do as soon as arrive at a property.most come off after a few scrubs.any that dont then i simply turn my brush around and use my gardiner scraper.easier/quicker than messing about with washing powder! ;D
as for poles.SLXs or xtremes.i wouldnt use anything heavier than these poles.its not just weight but rigidity too.
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>> Paul Alan... Eating fat...narh were designed to eat loads of fats..... its the carbs were not so used to... Worried narh.... going to be a long time dead so a little fat is not going to do me any harm...given that I kinda wrecked my body for about 40 years smoking drinking, whoring :)
Know what you mean except the whoring haha! I think its mixing carbs and fats that do the harm.
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>> Paul Alan... Eating fat...narh were designed to eat loads of fats..... its the carbs were not so used to... Worried narh.... going to be a long time dead so a little fat is not going to do me any harm...given that I kinda wrecked my body for about 40 years smoking drinking, whoring :)
Know what you mean except the whoring haha! I think its mixing carbs and fats that do the harm.
what harm is that then?
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>> Paul Alan... Eating fat...narh were designed to eat loads of fats..... its the carbs were not so used to... Worried narh.... going to be a long time dead so a little fat is not going to do me any harm...given that I kinda wrecked my body for about 40 years smoking drinking, whoring :)
Know what you mean except the whoring haha! I think its mixing carbs and fats that do the harm.
what harm is that then?
If you want specifics as to what happens on the biochemical level when you combine the two I'd recommend Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, he explains it pretty comprehensively I think. but the jist of the story is that your body stores fat by making and storing triglycerides. Triglycerides are made up of three fatty acid components and a glycerol component that binds them together. The glycerol component is made from glucose, so the idea is that if you restrict glucose intake you can restrict glycerol production which restricts triglyceride production. Eating carbohydrates triggers the insulin response that signals your body to use the incoming glucose to make triglycerides. If you eat both fat and carbohydrate you are giving your body everything it needs to make and store fat, including the hormonal signals to do just that.
Restricting fat works in a similar way, but replacing fat with carbohydrate leads to all sorts of health problems, which also get discussed in Good Calories, Bad Calories, and in paleo/primal blogs.
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Rinse on and buy an electric reel, both lifesavers.
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Paul Alan explains it alot better than I could.... Basic concept is if like many in todays fast food world you eat both fat & carbs in large measures then you body will just store unused intake... Have a looked at any countries that have a large amount of cheap fast food outlets.... and see how fat people are becoming.... A few years ago I went to Dubai.... wow how fat are they becoming ! then look at how many fast food outlets there are.
And on a sad note there is becoming a very striking link between the rich and poor...look at the the costs of processed carbs and cheap fats/oils used by most 'fastfood' chains compared to proper fresh food.
Paul Alan explains:
[/quote]If you want specifics as to what happens on the biochemical level when you combine the two I'd recommend Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, he explains it pretty comprehensively I think. but the jist of the story is that your body stores fat by making and storing triglycerides. Triglycerides are made up of three fatty acid components and a glycerol component that binds them together. The glycerol component is made from glucose, so the idea is that if you restrict glucose intake you can restrict glycerol production which restricts triglyceride production. Eating carbohydrates triggers the insulin response that signals your body to use the incoming glucose to make triglycerides. If you eat both fat and carbohydrate you are giving your body everything it needs to make and store fat, including the hormonal signals to do just that.
Restricting fat works in a similar way, but replacing fat with carbohydrate leads to all sorts of health problems, which also get discussed in Good Calories, Bad Calories, and in paleo/primal blogs.
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Dave this was all discussed on the mad section and its far from a simple as you guys make out, yes a high fat diet is good
for endurance and putting the body through things it was never designed to do such as rowing a pole all day or running ultra
marathons but for health purposes it has little to offer other than quick weight loss for those who need to lose it quick.
I think we need to be careful recommending these types of diets, the evidence just isn't conclusive enough to say they are safe
long term, for instance a high fat diet is a real no no for people with thyroid problems which can also make you feel tired and gain
weight.
Then you have to look at trans fats, processed fats, fats from dairy which tend to be high in salt and hormones, the list goes on.
Do we really want to be avoiding apples oranges beetroot ginger carrots turnip blueberries pears and so on, on the HFLC thread these are actually being described as bad foods, it madness.
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Great topic guys. Very interesting stuff. I too have had a dabble with fat burning type diets. I was following an American ultra runner can't remember his name but he combined a high fat low carb diet with training at a low heart rate almost exclusively. Developing the aerobic system whilst using your fat as energy supply. Only difference was that he also was very strict on alkalizing foods. Alkalizing high fat foods. Unfortunately im back on the cheese rolls and Stella atm ;D
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Just remembered that instead of consuming gels he had little bags of avocado and chia seeds strapped doing his waist when running an event!!
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u need to be employing asap
or else youll mess up burn out and lose the lot
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Dave this was all discussed on the mad section and its far from a simple as you guys make out, yes a high fat diet is good
for endurance and putting the body through things it was never designed to do such as rowing a pole all day or running ultra
marathons but for health purposes it has little to offer other than quick weight loss for those who need to lose it quick.
I think we need to be careful recommending these types of diets, the evidence just isn't conclusive enough to say they are safe
long term, for instance a high fat diet is a real no no for people with thyroid problems which can also make you feel tired and gain
weight.
Then you have to look at trans fats, processed fats, fats from dairy which tend to be high in salt and hormones, the list goes on.
Do we really want to be avoiding apples oranges beetroot ginger carrots turnip blueberries pears and so on, on the HFLC thread these are actually being described as bad foods, it madness.
You have a good point, the phyto nutrients in fruits and veggies are essential to good health. And the jury is still out on which is the best type of diet is for optimal health, there seems to be so many "schools" of thought its totaly confusing. Who do you listen to??
the high fat types of diet scare me a little although i have done it. There is lots of rssearch supporting high fat diet as healthy brett mckay from art of manliness went on a high fat diet for 90 days and had before and after blood test and the results speak for them selfs, some realy possitive cholesterol tryglyciride reports.
I even tried a vegan diet recently but now I include some animal protein but just drasticaly less than previously.
Carbohydrates have hormonal benefits and having tried all types of diet I prefer to have some carbs, typicaly around 40% of daily calorie consumption. The important consideration is which sources of carbohydrate you consume, I eat lots of fruit and veggies more veggies than fruit as too much fructose is a no no. I love oats and sweet potato wedges(not together) and each time we shop we buy different greens and try to get organic where possible.
Theres just too many people touting different deitary advice and they can be convincing.
Ive been in so many circles with it all you just get dizzy.
From now on Im going to use my common sense, eat mostly whole clean and varied foods. Watch out for the saturated fats( but not altogether), also processed and refined foods, high salt high sugar.
And have a little of waht you fancy aswell, as long as it doesnt dominate what your chewing on.
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the high fat types of diet scare me a little although i have done it. There is lots of rssearch supporting high fat diet as healthy
We've been doing it since 1st December. I've lost 20 lbs, and feel great. Wor Lass does it too, not to lose weight, but because it helps her run ultra marathons (fat as fuel is better than carbs for fuel for endurance events).
We both feel better on low carb high fat 'diet' (we're not after losing weight anymore), than when we relapse and eat carbs.
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Anyone feeling it ?
Nope.
Add some strength training to your normal fitness program and you'll feel much better for it.
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your bound to feel tired if your doing all that training on a low carb diet at your age plus your daily window cleaning work.ive got a mate whos trying to get me to do a tough mudder event but im not interested.i really dont understand why people push their bodies to the limit.he loves it though!. ;D
Daz, Wor Lass runs ultra marathons and wins them, on a low carb diet. She smashes the majority of the blokes too.
She's 44, so no spring chicken either.
The thing with carbs is that it is stored in your body as glycogen, but our bodies can only hold a limited amount, which is why when it's depleted runners 'hit the wall'. But if you're fat-adapted, i.e. your body has learnt how to efficiently process fat for fuel, you have an unlimited source of energy for endurance events.
What you often find - as Wor Lass did when she ran 100 miles in 24 hours - is that after several hours of running, you really don't want to eat, but if you don't, you will fail. She did lots of retching and puking at around the 70 mile point; refueling was a struggle for her.
Now she's fat adapted it means she has less reliance on having to eat as much during long endurance events.
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the high fat types of diet scare me a little although i have done it. There is lots of rssearch supporting high fat diet as healthy
We've been doing it since 1st December. I've lost 20 lbs, and feel great. Wor Lass does it too, not to lose weight, but because it helps her run ultra marathons (fat as fuel is better than carbs for fuel for endurance events).
We both feel better on low carb high fat 'diet' (we're not after losing weight anymore), than when we relapse and eat carbs.
When going on a high fat diet in the first week you quickly lose several pounds, this is due to you pee'ing out all the carbs stored in your body. Glycogen holds water-when returning to a higher carb approach your muscle glycogen will "fill" back up.
Does feel great losing all that water though.
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With a lot of things the average guy on the street and come to think of it doctors are not really that able to tell the difference between the 'official' advice and others .... and lets face it the general low fat options that many orgs and governments give out doesn't seem to be working.... So for those who are willing to put in the effort.... Why not try some of these methods of eating? Look at what you are eating, whats in it and why is it there? and even my working dogs now eat 'raw' why....have you seen what goes into dog food? just like human processed foods there is so much that is not really nutrition but used to 'fill'.
Do a little training and try a 100km run using standard food, gels etc and see how your body reacts.... We are all 'N of 1'.... So what works for me may not work for you. The trouble is many people will pick some advice from the internet and then make it their mantra according to their beliefs... I and many people like me have alot of skin in the game to draw conculsions from.
Another point to note is say you lived in say Antarctica .... and you needed to survive how would you eat? the human body can adapt to many situations....
The thing is when considering advice about methods of eating or 'diets' is what enabled the advice/research to occur?
The modern accepted eating regime is just is not working...How much money is being spent by your local health departments on trying to fix conventional food choices' ? perhaps go to the bathroom look at yourself, go to your docs and get a full health screen - what does it say?, look at yourself and ask 'is what I am fueling my body with good for me'? now go run 5kms and see how your lifestyle works.... Lets face it every reasonably healthy human being below 60 should be able to jog 5kms right?
Granted I started this thread about being tired but that's obviously due to the amount I train and the events I am training for.... You cannot just decide you are going to attempt to run 200km in one session can you? just as I know from experience that at around 100 km my body will not tolerate much physical food but I do know I have enough 'fat' for my body to use as a fuel source as I have spent the past year getting myself for want of a better phrase 'fat adapted'.
Currently 7.5% body fat, resting 46bpm hr, medical/bloods/fats off the charts doc says that I am very similar to a fit 18 y/o .... I teach crossfit also and with the exception of a few 'young-guns' I at 49 keep and for the most part will beat the vast majority in the box work-wise and for strength can deadlift 2.5 my own body-weight. Now whilst my post here is turning into a little bit of dick-swinging I think it is more for me to say.... I like you counter arguments but we are all 'N of 1' I have a very clear idea of my performance how would you rate yours and what tools did you use :-)
*** Every now and then a little 'dirt in the tank' is a good thing.... I choose every 8 weeks (end of my w/c cycle) to have a burger king meal...why? because I like to live life and I like it!
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going to the docs for a full health screening is like taking your ten year old car in for a 100 point free checkover
youll come away thinking its time to call in the scrappie !
actually i had the health check a year ago and came away feeling i had to lose a stone but not much else. But this was only because the person doing the check was in a hurry to close shop for the day . if she had had an hour to kill id have been borderline diabetic + goodness knows what else-its repeat business for those guys
anyhow i lost that stone and felt better for it of course. but whats made me feel a whole lot better is ive lads doing the brunt of the work,im still out there leading the charge but im pickin n choosin what i do . i launch the torpedos but i dont circle round looking for survivors in the evenings
the plain simple fact is if you dont slow down and pace yourself once yer pushin 50 something will go twang and youll be on the floor
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Dave what are you actually eating ? the problem on the LCHF thread was that it didn't matter what you put in your mouth as
long as it was fat which meant the majority of it was still processed crap with the odd bit of tasteless veg added just to pretend it was a healthy diet, not joking the E numbers and crap that go into the low carb bread would make a pot noodle look healthy.
Your taking exercise to the extremes and therefore it requires an extreme diet to fuel it, this has very little to do with wanting to
be fit and healthy.
As you have just admitted the only reason your tired is your driving you body to exhaustion, its telling you to slow down so
maybe instead of looking for ways to push that exhaustion further into the distance you could learn to be content with what you
have already achieved take a step back and actually consider I'm I doing myself more harm than good.
Just to keep this on subject with the thread its no different to a window cleaner pushing more and more work out just
because they want to keep beating their yearly profit.
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Being as fit as an 18 year old doesn't mean you have the body of an 18 year old, I think some of these guys tend to forget this.
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With a lot of things the average guy on the street and come to think of it doctors are not really that able to tell the difference between the 'official' advice and others .... and lets face it the general low fat options that many orgs and governments give out doesn't seem to be working.... So for those who are willing to put in the effort.... Why not try some of these methods of eating? Look at what you are eating, whats in it and why is it there? and even my working dogs now eat 'raw' why....have you seen what goes into dog food? just like human processed foods there is so much that is not really nutrition but used to 'fill'.
Do a little training and try a 100km run using standard food, gels etc and see how your body reacts.... We are all 'N of 1'.... So what works for me may not work for you. The trouble is many people will pick some advice from the internet and then make it their mantra according to their beliefs... I and many people like me have alot of skin in the game to draw conculsions from.
Another point to note is say you lived in say Antarctica .... and you needed to survive how would you eat? the human body can adapt to many situations....
The thing is when considering advice about methods of eating or 'diets' is what enabled the advice/research to occur?
The modern accepted eating regime is just is not working...How much money is being spent by your local health departments on trying to fix conventional food choices' ? perhaps go to the bathroom look at yourself, go to your docs and get a full health screen - what does it say?, look at yourself and ask 'is what I am fueling my body with good for me'? now go run 5kms and see how your lifestyle works.... Lets face it every reasonably healthy human being below 60 should be able to jog 5kms right?
Granted I started this thread about being tired but that's obviously due to the amount I train and the events I am training for.... You cannot just decide you are going to attempt to run 200km in one session can you? just as I know from experience that at around 100 km my body will not tolerate much physical food but I do know I have enough 'fat' for my body to use as a fuel source as I have spent the past year getting myself for want of a better phrase 'fat adapted'.
Currently 7.5% body fat, resting 46bpm hr, medical/bloods/fats off the charts doc says that I am very similar to a fit 18 y/o .... I teach crossfit also and with the exception of a few 'young-guns' I at 49 keep and for the most part will beat the vast majority in the box work-wise and for strength can deadlift 2.5 my own body-weight. Now whilst my post here is turning into a little bit of dick-swinging I think it is more for me to say.... I like you counter arguments but we are all 'N of 1' I have a very clear idea of my performance how would you rate yours and what tools did you use :-)
Which is it? Are you fit as an 18 year old or are you a washed up old scrubber who's ruined by a week on an girly slx?
When I was 18 I could've managed a 60 hr week with a full fat, man sized brodex aluminium pole without moaning about being 'tired' and not a chance I could've run to the shops, let alone 100k.
Also, I've only ever eaten what I fancy eating, mostly chips, sometimes macaroni pies. I've never weighed myself without being asked to by a doctor and gyms are for posers and girls.
You're probably scrubbing too hard.
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Being as fit as an 18 year old doesn't mean you have the body of an 18 year old, I think some of these guys tend to forget this.
Your average 18 year old has an overweight dough body.
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certain types of personalities just cant stop doing xtreme exercising and push their bodies to the limit no matter what age they are.
if your feeling tired most of the time then you need to take a break and listen to your body or you will burn out and be forced to take time off through strains/injuries or worse.if you get colds/flu quite frequently this is also a sign your over stressing the body.
ive not had any full weeks off since xmas.work hard in the gym 3 times a week(sometimes 4),rehearsing with the band,gigging etc and this last week or so ive started to feel a little bit worn out so i only went to the gym twice last week and this week ive got 10 days off from window cleaning(including the bank holiday monday).ill still get 3 or 4 gym visits in this week but ill not go as heavy or intense and ill do more cardio and probably fit a bit of swimming in too .ill eat well which i do 90% of the time anyway and ill be fine.
ive found i need to give myself a little bit more time to recover from workouts sometimes to keep me from over stressing my body.rest and a good wholesome diet should never be underestimated esp as we get older.
my diet is usually med carb,med fat and high protein,occasionally ill have a low carb day or even a small 16 hour fast to keep my stomach trim as if i pig out too much at weekends its easy for me to store the fat on my waist/stomach.
the body is an amazing thing though and im very happy with my progress in the gym over the last 12 months or so.im building muscle all over!legs,chest,shoulders,arms and ive got lats that have just appeared out of nowhere!
i wasnt sure whether i could build muscle in my forties but ive been proved very wrong.(by the way no roids,i would never touch them)just good food and training.
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certain types of personalities just cant stop doing xtreme exercising and push their bodies to the limit no matter what age they are.
if your feeling tired most of the time then you need to take a break and listen to your body or you will burn out and be forced to take time off through strains/injuries or worse.if you get colds/flu quite frequently this is also a sign your over stressing the body.
ive not had any full weeks off since xmas.work hard in the gym 3 times a week(sometimes 4),rehearsing with the band,gigging etc and this last week or so ive started to feel a little bit worn out so i only went to the gym twice last week and this week ive got 10 days off from window cleaning(including the bank holiday monday).ill still get 3 or 4 gym visits in this week but ill not go as heavy or intense and ill do more cardio and probably fit a bit of swimming in too .ill eat well which i do 90% of the time anyway and ill be fine.
ive found i need to give myself a little bit more time to recover from workouts sometimes to keep me from over stressing my body.rest and a good wholesome diet should never be underestimated esp as we get older.
my diet is usually med carb,med fat and high protein,occasionally ill have a low carb day or even a small 16 hour fast to keep my stomach trim as if i pig out too much at weekends its easy for me to store the fat on my waist/stomach.
the body is an amazing thing though and im very happy with my progress in the gym over the last 12 months or so.im building muscle all over!legs,chest,shoulders,arms and ive got lats that have just appeared out of nowhere!
i wasnt sure whether i could build muscle in my forties but ive been proved very wrong.(by the way no roids,i would never touch them)just good food and training.
Watch the protein intake, high proteinmiis bad for the kidneys. About 0.8 grams per pound of bodyweighg is enough to buld muscle. Even though its considered unhealthy. Google effects of high protein on kidneys/cardio vascular system.
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when i say high protein mate i mean 150-200g a day which is ok for someone whos 245lb.
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when i say high protein mate i mean 150-200g a day which is ok for someone whos 245lb.
Thats 0.6-0.8 grams per lb of bodyweight at 245lbs. About right or a bit under, unless you have high bodyfat percentage then you would be better off calculating from lean body mass.