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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Marc Stock on May 03, 2017, 09:32:32 am
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Well, the back dog visit was the shortest it's ever been. 1 and a half days.
Been trying a new method of forcing a smile when the black dog visits. And allowing a longer time between actions and thought processes which helped reduce his visit by at least 3 days.
So if anyone has been offended by my responses of late please take it with a pinch of salt.
Best..
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Do you find it worse on a morning Marc ?
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Are you sure your not blurring the lines between depression and just feeling a bit down?
We all feel a bit low from time to time. I did yesterday, though self inflicted, through late nights, junk food and laziness over the bank holiday weekend. Added to that it was grey miserable day yesterday, I just had a general feeling of I can't be f##king bothered, felt fatigued and sh!t all day.
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Are all window cleaners mentally unstable? Is it a job requirement or does scrubbing windows drive you round the twist? My Mrs drives me mental, maybe it's the windows.
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I have had depression for 50 years, and the best advice I can give you is to find a listening symoathetic doctor.
You are entitled 6 free cbt sessions on the NHS.
I tried anti depressents and they didn't do owt for me.
Best method for me now is walking 4 or 5 miles in a morning, and avoiding negative oeople who have no idea of what the bkack dog can do
My friend of 34 years sadly took his life earlier in march cos the system let him down.
If you send me a orivate message I can give yiu a gew pointers, but rest assured there is help. I wish you well my dear freind.
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Are you sure your not blurring the lines between depression and just feeling a bit down?
We all feel a bit low from time to time. I did yesterday, though self inflicted, through late nights, junk food and laziness over the bank holiday weekend. Added to that it was grey miserable day yesterday, I just had a general feeling of I can't be f##king bothered, felt fatigued and sh!t all day.
No because i consider myself to be fairly content and happy. When the black dog visits it's a feeling of utter hopelessness..you feel brokenhearted..and you have no idea why, it makes no sense at all nothing has happened to trigger it it just happens and that in itself makes it worse.
For me i get rapid cycling of mania. Lasting for a few weeks to sometimes going hyper happy to angry and irritable all in one morning, and then I'm on black dog for a day or even a week. And it settles.
Right now I'm okay not super hyper or low I'm just me. Probably be ok now for the rest of the week.
I try not to let it control my life anymore. Sometimes it does influence my decision making and can come out a bit in my conversation but i have learned to manage it and for the most part of it i am quite good at hiding how i am feeling and stopping it from limiting my life.
My goal is to keep going no matter how i am feeling, if black dog is here, he's just an irritating guest that will pass I try to look at it this way and i find that i don't succumb to him and the visit is shorter as he gets bored with me not giving him the attention he wants which is to pander to the feelings of staying in bed, crying or going out to start a fight.
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You do kind of get used to it and realise it will pass.
I've suffered since I was a teenager and still do to this day.
I find I do not have much in the way of just feeling normal.
I either feel really depressed, questioning everything in my life, ruminating over the past and crying etc.
Or I can feel really super happy and positive sort of manic, over talkative, jus weird. Then out of no where it's like an energy crash and everything Chanhe's I'm back to being irritable and emotional.
I have noticed a general trend that on a morning I feel worse and it wears away as I get into the afternoon.
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Are you on medication?
I'm on Citralopram and i have to say it's far less severe now, and since being on the medication i have loved the feeling normal moments, they are brief and come and go but before that i was either stupid silly, or angry(boarding on violence on occasions) and upset. The Citralopram has dulled down the super extremes now for me.
I also suffer with OCD and that has also been curbed on the meds
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Are you on medication?
I'm on Citralopram and i have to say it's far less severe now, and since being on the medication i have loved the feeling normal moments, they are brief and come and go but before that i was either stupid silly, or angry(boarding on violence on occasions) and upset. The Citralopram has dulled down the super extremes now for me.
I also suffer with OCD and that has also been curbed on the meds
Don't shoot the messenger but there is growing evidence that anti depressents can further exasubate the situation ! A full private blood test ftom Blue Horizon Medical would tell you a lot about you're thyroid function and any nutriants you may lack such as vitamin D.
I was non existent in vit D and nust having suppliment helped me het out of bed in a mornong.
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Are you on medication?
I'm on Citralopram and i have to say it's far less severe now, and since being on the medication i have loved the feeling normal moments, they are brief and come and go but before that i was either stupid silly, or angry(boarding on violence on occasions) and upset. The Citralopram has dulled down the super extremes now for me.
I also suffer with OCD and that has also been curbed on the meds
Don't shoot the messenger but there is growing evidence that anti depressents can further exasubate the situation ! A full private blood test ftom Blue Horizon Medical would tell you a lot about you're thyroid function and any nutriants you may lack such as vitamin D.
I was non existent in vit D and nust having suppliment helped me het out of bed in a mornong.
So you're all better now?
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Are you sure your not blurring the lines between depression and just feeling a bit down?
We all feel a bit low from time to time. I did yesterday, though self inflicted, through late nights, junk food and laziness over the bank holiday weekend. Added to that it was grey miserable day yesterday, I just had a general feeling of I can't be f##king bothered, felt fatigued and sh!t all day.
No because i consider myself to be fairly content and happy. When the black dog visits it's a feeling of utter hopelessness..you feel brokenhearted..and you have no idea why, it makes no sense at all nothing has happened to trigger it it just happens and that in itself makes it worse.
For me i get rapid cycling of mania. Lasting for a few weeks to sometimes going hyper happy to angry and irritable all in one morning, and then I'm on black dog for a day or even a week. And it settles.
Right now I'm okay not super hyper or low I'm just me. Probably be ok now for the rest of the week.
I try not to let it control my life anymore. Sometimes it does influence my decision making and can come out a bit in my conversation but i have learned to manage it and for the most part of it i am quite good at hiding how i am feeling and stopping it from limiting my life.
My goal is to keep going no matter how i am feeling, if black dog is here, he's just an irritating guest that will pass I try to look at it this way and i find that i don't succumb to him and the visit is shorter as he gets bored with me not giving him the attention he wants which is to pander to the feelings of staying in bed, crying or going out to start a fight.
You sound like a close friend of mine, he has bi-polar. They gave him lithium and it made things worse, so he stopped taking it and made things worse again. I had a mild depression last year and they tried to put me on meds but honestly the side effects of any meds are scary so I refused. It wasnt any fun and it couldnt of been as bad as what your describing, but it seems to have lifted from me. Have you tried meditation? Might sound a bit odd but try the headspace app, its free for your first 10 sessions. Its only 10 minutes but my god they ease you in every way. You see its your thoughts that control your feeling, have a bad thought and feel like poop. Have a good one feel great! Our heads are chock full of all different types of thoughts in one minute its sheer madness if you take any notice. With meditation you can settle your mind and let the thoughts drift away, its bliss.
The analogy is this, you know them crystal ball thingys that you shake and its like snow inside. Well thats our minds most of the time and the snow is thoughts, loads of them flying around in our heads. When you meditate its the same as when all the snow falls to the floor and settles. Clear mind, it realy is blissful. Not an all out cure I know but a help.
HEADSPACE APP. free at first then £45 a year after.
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Are you on medication?
I'm on Citralopram and i have to say it's far less severe now, and since being on the medication i have loved the feeling normal moments, they are brief and come and go but before that i was either stupid silly, or angry(boarding on violence on occasions) and upset. The Citralopram has dulled down the super extremes now for me.
I also suffer with OCD and that has also been curbed on the meds
Don't shoot the messenger but there is growing evidence that anti depressents can further exasubate the situation ! A full private blood test ftom Blue Horizon Medical would tell you a lot about you're thyroid function and any nutriants you may lack such as vitamin D.
I was non existent in vit D and nust having suppliment helped me het out of bed in a mornong.
yes they cost around £170 for the full one but wilk show up any thing amiss going on inside.
I use vit d but not somjuch in the summer as we get plenty from the sun, vitd is toxic in excess.
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Are you on medication?
I'm on Citralopram and i have to say it's far less severe now, and since being on the medication i have loved the feeling normal moments, they are brief and come and go but before that i was either stupid silly, or angry(boarding on violence on occasions) and upset. The Citralopram has dulled down the super extremes now for me.
I also suffer with OCD and that has also been curbed on the meds
I've tried plenty of different medication over the years but can't say I've been overly impressed by them. Not sure if they work or not.
Last time I was on prozac a pretty high dose it made me feel very dull and emotionless. I didn't feel sad or happy but I wouldnt say I felt normal either, more kind of detatched and without feeling
Tried plenty of CBT over the years also to no avail.
I have quite a lot of mental health issues. I have OCD traits and have anxiety disorders. Had a few panic attacks that ended up in A&E
In fact if I look at all my symptoms online it could be one of a thousand diagnosis.
These days, perhaps the last 5 years I have kind of given up searching for an answer and now just kind of accept that some days I will feel better than others and I suppose developed coping mechanisms like avoiding anxiety inducing situations or just accepting when I feel depressed that it will pass.
Exercise seems to help in the short term as does a good diet.
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Mark
Have you got an email address i can errrr email you on lol ;D
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info@stockclean.co.uk :)
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The Black Dog/Depression/PTSD ..... Tend to swing through these on a regular basis... Now I am not telling anyone to break the law but perhaps some might want to investigate 'cannabis'...
I am lucky in that I live in The Netherlands and whilst cannabis is not legal here there is a 'tolerance' by the authorities to those who grow a few plants.... Personally I buy a 5 pack of seeds each year grow them in my garden knowing even if the police do come around... they can take them if they wish but for the most part the average person can grow a few plants and feel pretty safe.
I do not smoke so use a vaporiser which means I get the effects without the ill effects of burning material... Its worth checking out, alternatively sports and exercise definitely works...
So much so that this year I will be running a 200km Ultramarathon.... why such a stupid distance? well after going through many bouts of blackdog, ptsd episodes.... I started running again and when from 1km and puking to around 50-80kms per weeks.... try a sport, any sport...just something that gets your heart racing and see if it helps :-)
Plus I do think this window cleaning lark can get to you from time to time and perhaps not because you are suffering from any ailment more...you just get bored with the same old drudgery week in week out.
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The Black Dog/Depression/PTSD ..... Tend to swing through these on a regular basis... Now I am not telling anyone to break the law but perhaps some might want to investigate 'cannabis'...
I am lucky in that I live in The Netherlands and whilst cannabis is not legal here there is a 'tolerance' by the authorities to those who grow a few plants.... Personally I buy a 5 pack of seeds each year grow them in my garden knowing even if the police do come around... they can take them if they wish but for the most part the average person can grow a few plants and feel pretty safe.
I do not smoke so use a vaporiser which means I get the effects without the ill effects of burning material... Its worth checking out, alternatively sports and exercise definitely works...
So much so that this year I will be running a 200km Ultramarathon.... why such a stupid distance? well after going through many bouts of blackdog, ptsd episodes.... I started running again and when from 1km and puking to around 50-80kms per weeks.... try a sport, any sport...just something that gets your heart racing and see if it helps :-)
Plus I do think this window cleaning lark can get to you from time to time and perhaps not because you are suffering from any ailment more...you just get bored with the same old drudgery week in week out.
I was "chonging strong" for 20 years and i found it made a mess of my mind. Been quit for 2 years now and feel much better, had massive depression / anxiety / withdrawal coming off though. Be careful with the weed if your the "wrong type" it'll screw you up bad. Especialy the stronger strains.
Its ok if your growing your own as you have some control over what your inhaling but you cant get away with that over here, oh no.
Was loving me vapouriser though.
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a good diet,no smoking or drinking alcohol ever.exercise(for me its weight training at the gym with a bit of cardio thrown in),AA MEETINGS,playing drums in a band,taking the dog for a walk all help to keep depression at bay.
working reasonable hours instead of 10 hour days (and most weekends off)prevents me from getting too stressed out.i just dont handle stress very well so i keep my life as simple as possible.
i guess im not as bad as some of you but ive had some very dark days in the past due to alcoholism and drug addiction.thankfully i live a very clean lifestyle these days and have a support network of sober alcoholics to turn to(and help)which over the years has been a golden nugget for keeping in good shape mentally/spiritually.
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Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.
Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.
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If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys i'd be depressed.
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If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys i'd be depressed.
Yep.
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years back i knew someone who got the black dog moods- at work was when i saw them -but he could switch it off if someone turned up who was important so we all knew it wasnt black dog proper . a real furker to be around on monday mornings the classic moody beggar
one friday night he got a really good kicking
funny as anything
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Gotta have the lows to appreciate the highs.
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So good to read threads like this, this sort of peer support just wouldnt have happened a few years ago.
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If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys i'd be depressed.
i do it cos i like it mate.choose any exercise and hobby you like doing.playing drums in a great band is a real buzz so is the feeling i get after lifting weights.
actually ive just got back from the gym.i feel tired but happy! ;D
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If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys i'd be depressed.
You'd not mess about and just kill yourself if you had my life then. :'(
Anyone have a regular meditation practise?
Does that sound weird?
The thing about life is that the hardest thing we ever have to cope with is a feeling. You may disagree, but it's true.
Feelings can be powerful things; they motivate us to do stuff, to act in certain ways, or they can prevent us from doing things, like getting out the house to work.
What meditation can do is take some of the power out of those feelings; you still get them, but they're less 'controlling'.
You can get to a stage where you're okay about NOT being okay, if that makes any sense.
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Phone one or two customers to let them know you will be around the next day...stops you deciding to be lazy and commit to going to work the next day. Get out of bed, don't be lazy and commit to meeting people, doing something useful for the day....don't waste your life away. Bills come in and you have to go out to work to pay the bills, no good keep staying in and not working as eventually you'll lose everything if you let it persist. Get busy and stay busy to beat depression :)
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So much so that this year I will be running a 200km Ultramarathon.... why such a stupid distance? well after going through many bouts of blackdog, ptsd episodes.... I started running again and when from 1km and puking to around 50-80kms per weeks.... try a sport, any sport...just something that gets your heart racing and see if it helps :-)
Wor Lass runs ultra marathons; she won a 100 miler last year, first lady, 10th overall, in just under 24 hours. It was really hard, I had to stay up all night to be her support team, and put up with whining, rudeness, abuse, puking, tears, and more whining. She's done five of them now; she's won three of them; she's tough as old boots. I have heaps of respect for her.
And like yourself, she's mental too.
She's inspired me to do one too though; 46 miles around the Brecon Beacons in November. If we're really lucky we could have snow too.
That 200 km ultra; is that all in one go or a multi-day event? I take it this isn't your first either? Or is it?
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Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.
Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.
My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use. Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !
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Phone one or two customers to let them know you will be around the next day...stops you deciding to be lazy and commit to going to work the next day. Get out of bed, don't be lazy and commit to meeting people, doing something useful for the day....don't waste your life away. Bills come in and you have to go out to work to pay the bills, no good keep staying in and not working as eventually you'll lose everything if you let it persist. Get busy and stay busy to beat depression :)
You have very little knowledge of tbis subject sorry !
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As for the comments re: 'heavy cannabis use and mental health issues' just like anything in life there is always a 'middle' path to walk ... I walk my own path based upon my own needs and not the need to get 'off my chops'.
Plenty of evidence to support cannabis use has many beneficial attributes for people with a multitude of 'injuries'.
>> Tosh...yeah my first 200km event (40 hour cut-off) and will be my last...its a bucket list type of thing...run plenty of smaller events ran a few marathon length obstacle tough mudder type things wearing a fully serviceable gasmask to highlight PTSD within the Mil and Veteran community.... Wow your lady wife is certainly the beast ! and hey 46 miles is no joke either ! crewing your wife ! .... thats a tough job and all runners tend to turn into monsters and meltdown along the way !
Dave.
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I once read that it's almost impossible to be depressed when your body is under a state of expression.
The opposite of depression is expression.
I'm a cyclist, when I'm climbing a hill all I'm concentrating on is my breathing. Nothing else comes into my head. Its a state of awareness of survival it's almost a meditation. I don't run but I suspect it's the same when you are very tired and concentrating on just keeping going the breath is all you feel.
Exercise and mediation share similarities in this manner. I find it helps my depression if I'm feeling rrally bad grab my bike and go do a time trial. Trust me you can't be depressed when your body is under such load. And after you come back your body will release the relaxation hormones etc.
Also try expressive meditations.
Here's a good video.
https://youtu.be/pj5HS9c7n4g
In fact watch all his stuff he has some good ideas and thoughts on the subject.
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If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys i'd be depressed.
You'd not mess about and just kill yourself if you had my life then. :'(
Anyone have a regular meditation practise?
Does that sound weird?
The thing about life is that the hardest thing we ever have to cope with is a feeling. You may disagree, but it's true.
Feelings can be powerful things; they motivate us to do stuff, to act in certain ways, or they can prevent us from doing things, like getting out the house to work.
What meditation can do is take some of the power out of those feelings; you still get them, but they're less 'controlling'.
You can get to a stage where you're okay about NOT being okay, if that makes any sense.
i find meditating at AA meetings helps me relax.i often close my eyes for 30 mins or longer while im listening to the shares.it really helps my mind to clear.
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Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.
Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.
My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use. Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !
most people that smoke weed dont end up with mental health problems but there is always that few percent that end up with schizophrenia.my missus and her son and daughter smoke it every day!(her sons 24,daughters 17 and shes 46!)i used to smoke it years and years ago but wouldnt touch it now.
i think it can make people lazy,indecisive and it defo messes with your short term memory but theres always a chilled out atmosphere at my missus s house.never any trouble.its like a hippy,arty commune!.its gotta be better than drinking anyway!
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Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.
Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.
My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use. Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !
most people that smoke weed dont end up with mental health problems but there is always that few percent that end up with schizophrenia.my missus and her son and daughter smoke it every day!(her sons 24,daughters 17 and shes 46!)i used to smoke it years and years ago but wouldnt touch it now.
i think it can make people lazy,indecisive and it defo messes with your short term memory but theres always a chilled out atmosphere at my missus s house.never any trouble.its like a hippy,arty commune!.its gotta be better than drinking anyway!
Rubbish. i would rather have a few beers than smoke that smelly crap.
Your "mrs" place sounds like hell on earth.
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Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.
Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.
My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use. Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !
most people that smoke weed dont end up with mental health problems but there is always that few percent that end up with schizophrenia.my missus and her son and daughter smoke it every day!(her sons 24,daughters 17 and shes 46!)i used to smoke it years and years ago but wouldnt touch it now.
i think it can make people lazy,indecisive and it defo messes with your short term memory but theres always a chilled out atmosphere at my missus s house.never any trouble.its like a hippy,arty commune!.its gotta be better than drinking anyway!
Rubbish. i would rather have a few beers than smoke that smelly crap.
Your "mrs" place sounds like hell on earth.
its really not.do you like drag queens?as my missus s son is one!he has over 30 pairs of platform shoes,dresses,tights,wigs and make up.its a very happy household.i dont live there though full time.i think it would do my head in! ;D
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>> Tosh...yeah my first 200km event (40 hour cut-off) and will be my last...its a bucket list type of thing...run plenty of smaller events ran a few marathon length obstacle tough mudder type things wearing a fully serviceable gasmask to highlight PTSD within the Mil and Veteran community.... Wow your lady wife is certainly the beast ! and hey 46 miles is no joke either ! crewing your wife ! .... thats a tough job and all runners tend to turn into monsters and meltdown along the way !
Dave.
200km is a huge jump up from a marathon. Not far off five marathons. I don't know if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but fuelling will be your problem (it's often every ultra runners problem). After several hours your body may start rejecting food, particularly sweet stuff like gels. But everything becomes a problem to eat, even normal ultra foods like pizza. And if that happens, you may as well just get in your doss bag and have a sleep.
So after reading Primal Endurance, which advocates a low carb high fat approach, to become a fat-adapted runner, she finds this has given her a huge edge. The last race she ran was the Vale Coastal Ultra, about four weeks ago, again she came first lady and beat most of the blokes.
She didn't struggle with food or energy levels at all.
Our brains seem to like the low carb high fat approach too.
Anyway, I really recommend this book for both training and fuelling:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Primal-Endurance-Chronic-Carbohydrate-Dependency-x/dp/1939563089
Instead of just muddling along, trying to improve my fitness and endurance, I reckon I've got a pretty good grasp of it all now. Audio is probably better; Mark Sissons waffles.
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in life there is always a 'middle' path to walk ...
For some folk - like myself - the middle path approach means complete abstinence.
For example I cannot have a 'middle path' approach with booze. It's all or nothing for me. I don't touch drugs for the same reason. Chocolate seems to be another area where I can't moderate. Wor Lass just reckons I'm greedy.
As for yourself, a 200 km ultra is not 'middle path'. ;D
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Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.
Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.
My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use. Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !
most people that smoke weed dont end up with mental health problems but there is always that few percent that end up with schizophrenia.my missus and her son and daughter smoke it every day!(her sons 24,daughters 17 and shes 46!)i used to smoke it years and years ago but wouldnt touch it now.
i think it can make people lazy,indecisive and it defo messes with your short term memory but theres always a chilled out atmosphere at my missus s house.never any trouble.its like a hippy,arty commune!.its gotta be better than drinking anyway!
Rubbish. i would rather have a few beers than smoke that smelly crap.
Your "mrs" place sounds like hell on earth.
its really not.do you like drag queens?as my missus s son is one!he has over 30 pairs of platform shoes,dresses,tights,wigs and make up.its a very happy household.i dont live there though full time.i think it would do my head in! ;D
Drag queens and drugs. Mad.
Whatever makes you happy I guess! ;D
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Am I the only one who feels normal and happy? ;D
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>> Tosh...yeah my first 200km event (40 hour cut-off) and will be my last...its a bucket list type of thing...run plenty of smaller events ran a few marathon length obstacle tough mudder type things wearing a fully serviceable gasmask to highlight PTSD within the Mil and Veteran community.... Wow your lady wife is certainly the beast ! and hey 46 miles is no joke either ! crewing your wife ! .... thats a tough job and all runners tend to turn into monsters and meltdown along the way !
Dave.
200km is a huge jump up from a marathon. Not far off five marathons. I don't know if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but fuelling will be your problem (it's often every ultra runners problem). After several hours your body may start rejecting food, particularly sweet stuff like gels. But everything becomes a problem to eat, even normal ultra foods like pizza. And if that happens, you may as well just get in your doss bag and have a sleep.
So after reading Primal Endurance, which advocates a low carb high fat approach, to become a fat-adapted runner, she finds this has given her a huge edge. The last race she ran was the Vale Coastal Ultra, about four weeks ago, again she came first lady and beat most of the blokes.
She didn't struggle with food or energy levels at all.
Our brains seem to like the low carb high fat approach too.
Anyway, I really recommend this book for both training and fuelling:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Primal-Endurance-Chronic-Carbohydrate-Dependency-x/dp/1939563089
Instead of just muddling along, trying to improve my fitness and endurance, I reckon I've got a pretty good grasp of it all now. Audio is probably better; Mark Sissons waffles.
Oh Jeez, you've started him now.
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Am I the only one who feels normal and happy? ;D
You do a brilliant job of hiding it.
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yo Tosh.... yup food was an issue, used to scoff down gels .... then started to make my own...only differnt sugars, salt etc.... but still gutbombs would leave me at the side of the road unable to continue..... and like you say low carb/ high fat.... I have been keto for some time now..... unless I am running more than 6 hours I tend not to eat at all.... salttabs excepted.
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I've always found if you feel a bit down etc.. then the best thing is to go out and have a drink with a few mates, thats of course if you've any left and they havn't sodded off because you suck the life out of them and only want to see them when you're feeling down.........
Then of course there is always the missus to take out, and if you've been a bundle of joy lateley she'll not want to go out with you !!!! ;D And it's never ending.............. Be happy instead.
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Am I the only one who feels normal and happy? ;D
You do a brilliant job of hiding it.
I have always found it beneficial not to go on forums desperately pretending to be something I am not- I get zero pleasure from persistently trying make other people feel inferior! You should try it, you might just not appear to be the childish a## hole you do now! ;)
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Am I the only one who feels normal and happy? ;D
You do a brilliant job of hiding it.
I have always found it beneficial not to go on forums desperately pretending to be something I am not- I get zero pleasure from persistently trying make other people feel inferior! You should try it, you might just not appear to be the childish a## hole you do now! ;)
Can't you make a point without being abusive? Does that not imply a deeply rooted discontentment? Oh - abusive post reported again.
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Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.
Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.
My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use. Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !
Is he in a psychiatric because of his cannabis use or did he take cannabis because of his need for a psychiatric unit?
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Well, if you all empathise with mental health issues you wont mind donating to this bike ride I'm doing for the mental health charity M.I.N.D. in August.
You can donate anything you want but if you donate £25.00 you’ll be in with a chance to in a Gardiner’s 25’ SLX pole. Imagine that the everyday pole of choice for hundreds of shines for £25.00.
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/Matt-Bateman-London-Amsterdan
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Well, if you all empathise with mental health issues you wont mind donating to this bike ride I'm doing for the mental health charity M.I.N.D. in August.
You can donate anything you want but if you donate £25.00 you’ll be in with a chance to in a Gardiner’s 25’ SLX pole. Imagine that the everyday pole of choice for hundreds of shines for £25.00.
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/Matt-Bateman-London-Amsterdan
I didn't know that. I'll donate another fiver then. ;)
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Nice one!
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Righty ho.
I have decided to weane myself off the citralopram.
Took 20mg this morning. Taking 10mg tomorrow and visa versa for the rest of the week.
Next week it's 10mg and going from there
Not looking forward to the brain zaps though....
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shouldnt you consult your doctor first?
IMO the medication of our society is nothing short of scandalous.ok for some people anti depressants might help for a while but their handing them out like smarties these days.even to people without depression.
theres also lots of side effects esp when you miss your daily dose(heart palpitations for example).
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Righty ho.
I have decided to weane myself off the citralopram.
Took 20mg this morning. Taking 10mg tomorrow and visa versa for the rest of the week.
Next week it's 10mg and going from there
Not looking forward to the brain zaps though....
The zaps ain't fun. Good luck with that. You ought to do it supervised to be honest.
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Been on various anti deps and just stopped taking them, cant remember having withdrawls or any adverse side effects but maybe i felt like crap so didnt notice
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Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.
Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.
My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use. Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !
Is he in a psychiatric because of his cannabis use or did he take cannabis because of his need for a psychiatric unit?
That my friend is the axcellent question, and shows you have a deep knowledge on the subject.
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Have a listen to this........
https://soundcloud.com/liveawakepodcast/podcast-things-i-wish-someone-had-told-me
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Had this stuff as well, also a friend of Bills now too n tuned into meditation n meetings n my life's done a 360.
I'm lucky the depression isn't as bad as some and I have people to talk to about it.
Also suffer bad anxiety and that can have a hold sometimes but like others have said it's a mental battle and sometimes I am better not listening to that head of mine for sure.
But with cleaning windows I find traditional helps with the exercise and I can get into a good mood once I start, but the problem was always when or if Id start some days I just wiped off the board but those days are not as many as when I was into the drink n drugs.
Exercise is great medicine also, meditation for me helps too. . We have a coushty number compared to some of them stressful jobs out there so being grateful is another great way to keep the blues from getting on top. Grateful for family house job health etc
Anyway hope that makes sense. Using a phone so not best typed.
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Had this stuff as well, also a friend of Bills now too n tuned into meditation n meetings n my life's done a 360.
I'm lucky the depression isn't as bad as some and I have people to talk to about it.
Also suffer bad anxiety and that can have a hold sometimes but like others have said it's a mental battle and sometimes I am better not listening to that head of mine for sure.
But with cleaning windows I find traditional helps with the exercise and I can get into a good mood once I start, but the problem was always when or if Id start some days I just wiped off the board but those days are not as many as when I was into the drink n drugs.
Exercise is great medicine also, meditation for me helps too. . We have a coushty number compared to some of them stressful jobs out there so being grateful is another great way to keep the blues from getting on top. Grateful for family house job health etc
Anyway hope that makes sense. Using a phone so not best typed.
all the best miko.i know the road you ve travelled down all too well. :)
my old alcoholic mate ive known all my life was found dead the other week(45 years of age).thank God I i sought help all them years ago and got clean and sober.i couldnt even get him to one AA meeting. :( :( ::)roll
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Repetition drives me nuts. Sister in law eats the same foods on particular days week in week out. Mrs starts the ironing the exact same time on the same days every week. Even sex can be worked out to the same day of the year. The same crap is on at the same time on the TV every day, the same weather forecast every day. The same posts on CIU every night with the same people bragging the same old crap. Tomorrow I will be cleaning the same boring bits of glass, come home and start the process all over again. I'm off to top myself.
See you same time tomorrow.
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Repetition drives me nuts. Sister in law eats the same foods on particular days week in week out. Mrs starts the ironing the exact same time on the same days every week. Even sex can be worked out to the same day of the year. The same crap is on at the same time on the TV every day, the same weather forecast every day. The same posts on CIU every night with the same people bragging the same old crap. Tomorrow I will be cleaning the same boring bits of glass, come home and start the process all over again. I'm off to top myself.
See you same time tomorrow.
When you put it like that :'(
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Had this stuff as well, also a friend of Bills now too n tuned into meditation n meetings n my life's done a 360.
I'm lucky the depression isn't as bad as some and I have people to talk to about it.
Also suffer bad anxiety and that can have a hold sometimes but like others have said it's a mental battle and sometimes I am better not listening to that head of mine for sure.
But with cleaning windows I find traditional helps with the exercise and I can get into a good mood once I start, but the problem was always when or if Id start some days I just wiped off the board but those days are not as many as when I was into the drink n drugs.
Exercise is great medicine also, meditation for me helps too. . We have a coushty number compared to some of them stressful jobs out there so being grateful is another great way to keep the blues from getting on top. Grateful for family house job health etc
Anyway hope that makes sense. Using a phone so not best typed.
all the best miko.i know the road you ve travelled down all too well. :)
my old alcoholic mate ive known all my life was found dead the other week(45 years of age).thank God I i sought help all them years ago and got clean and sober.i couldnt even get him to one AA meeting. :( :( ::)roll
Sorry to hear that mate. Its brutal and takes no prisoners.
hope your well.
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Repetition drives me nuts. Sister in law eats the same foods on particular days week in week out. Mrs starts the ironing the exact same time on the same days every week. Even sex can be worked out to the same day of the year. The same crap is on at the same time on the TV every day, the same weather forecast every day. The same posts on CIU every night with the same people bragging the same old crap. Tomorrow I will be cleaning the same boring bits of glass, come home and start the process all over again. I'm off to top myself.
See you same time tomorrow.
routine,order and discipline are important but hell dave!im glad my lifes not as boring as yours!!(but then again im not married!) :D :D :D
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Dave you sound like one of those anti-social type characters that is just a nuisance to every other person. I can imagine you riding one of those recumbent bikes holding the traffic up and getting pleasure from that. That or a caravan.
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I did have a recumbent fo a month or two recently but that's gone. No caravan.
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OK so far things seem ok.
Took 20mg Monday 10 Tuesday 20 Wednesday 10 today and 20 tomorrow
Brain zaps are almost non existent. And I feel like I'm less of a zombie this week