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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Bungle on March 21, 2017, 04:52:11 pm
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I don't know what to do :'( can a stranger on a forum help me please?
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I’d do a big fat swerve. Either to the left or to the right, but I’d definitely give it a swerve.
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Looks like SS's growth has been Bazukad! ;D
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How would you handle my growth? This forum has become so smutty!
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FFS this post is going to be lost on people now the SS post has been deleted >:(
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What SS post?
There wasn’t an SS post about business expansion.
What pervert started this filth?
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FFS this post is going to be lost on people now the SS post has been deleted >:(
Those that count know.
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Maybe ss did not like the answers he got to the question very much. lol
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What SS post?
There wasn’t an SS post about business expansion.
What pervert started this filth?
Secret Squirrel
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The way I read it he has a new contract but can't find anyone dumb enough to cover it. Well not yet anyway lol
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Might need to see a doc
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To clear things up, I posted a thread twice accidentally asking people's opinion about how the would handle a job if it came their way. I asked for one thread to be deleted, but now can't find any. I hope both weren't deleted by a mod.
Can anyone, without being a child, jealous or bitchy, let me know what happened to the thread?
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To clear things up, I posted a thread twice accidentally asking people's opinion about how the would handle a job if it came their way. I asked for one thread to be deleted, but now can't find any. I hope both weren't deleted by a mod.
Can anyone, without being a child, jealous or bitchy, let me know what happened to the thread?
Well my interpretation was that it was advertising. Perhaps that's how the mods saw it?
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To clear things up, I posted a thread twice accidentally asking people's opinion about how the would handle a job if it came their way. I asked for one thread to be deleted, but now can't find any. I hope both weren't deleted by a mod.
Can anyone, without being a child, jealous or bitchy, let me know what happened to the thread?
Well my interpretation was that it was advertising. Perhaps that's how the mods saw it?
How? I have read the rules of this forum closely again before I joined. I don't believe I have contravened any. Can anyone let me know how my thread was advertising?
Is this not advertising: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207156.0 Surely it is.
This thread is also written in a similar way to mine: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207186.0
It is this type of thread that started pandemonium on here and people trying to get me BANNED: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207070.0
Can anyone explain where this is equal or fair?
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Speak to Mitch or Granville.
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Speak to Mitch or Granville.
I tried last time before I deleted my account. Mitch said some may view it as advertising. Fair enough, but why can some advertise and not others? My examples above are clear examples of threads that are not locked or banned, but when I have posted similar, they are locked or deleted very quickly.
Granville seems to have an itchy finger and looks to lock my threads too. When I asked him why, he said he will allow some people to advertise and not others. He said if you are a bigger company, he will not allow you the same freedom as the smaller company.
The forum rules should not be open to the discretion of a mod as to what is advertising and what isn't according to the size of their company. It's either advertising or it isn't.
I am still yet to have a mod or anyone quote one of the forum rules to me that I have contravened.
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Bungle I have come to realise that your one off the most jealous people on this forum a lot of your posts contain jealously. I had a neighbour like you really jealous person because of my success in buisness it soon turned into violence but it all came from him in end I had to move away from the area as one of us would have ended up seriously injured. People like you should end up on a deserted island can't be doing with all this school children attitudes grow up man go play with zippy or George 😠rant over
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Seriously SS you should know better than to ask amy kind of serious question on this forum.
The replies you got where more than expected. I doubt you are surprised at the response?
I would suggest you go find another forum to ask more serious questions.
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Did you really expect to get a serious, usable, sensible answer? If so you are a moron. You didn't though, you wanted an argument which is fine. Don't pretend it was anything else though.
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To clear things up, I posted a thread twice accidentally asking people's opinion about how the would handle a job if it came their way. I asked for one thread to be deleted, but now can't find any. I hope both weren't deleted by a mod.
Can anyone, without being a child, jealous or bitchy, let me know what happened to the thread?
Well my interpretation was that it was advertising. Perhaps that's how the mods saw it?
How? I have read the rules of this forum closely again before I joined. I don't believe I have contravened any. Can anyone let me know how my thread was advertising?
Is this not advertising: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207156.0 Surely it is.
This thread is also written in a similar way to mine: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207186.0
It is this type of thread that started pandemonium on here and people trying to get me BANNED: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207070.0
Can anyone explain where this is equal or fair?
None of those threads were advertising as none of thos people look to recruit members on here. You're being deliberately obtuse.
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Seriously SS you should know better than to ask amy kind of serious question on this forum.
The replies you got where more than expected. I doubt you are surprised at the response?
I would suggest you go find another forum to ask more serious questions.
The CIU Google ad invites people to 'join now and network with over 29,000 other cleaning companies'.
Networking events I have been to are precisely about showcasing your companies products, services, progress and joining forces with other companies so that you can all grow together. This forum does not allow you to 'network' it seems.
Are you suggesting that that forum is just a place for talking about brush heads and mocking others? This place is a potentially brilliant resource to link companies together, probably there's for the cleaning industry in the UK, but it sadly does not seem to allow such things when either an individual or their company seems to be doing too well.
You are right though, I am not surprised by some of the responses from certain individuals on here.....
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Did you really expect to get a serious, usable, sensible answer? If so you are a moron. You didn't though, you wanted an argument which is fine. Don't pretend it was anything else though.
From some people on here, no, I didn't expect a serious answer. From others though, there would have been sensible answers if the thread were allowed to run.
I don't want an argument. As I have stated many times, I want to do business and a forum which claims to be able to let me network with over 29,000 other cleaning companies is probably the best place to do it.
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The CIU Google ad invites people to 'join now and network with over 29,000 other cleaning companies'.
Networking events I have been to are precisely about showcasing your companies products, services, progress and joining forces with other companies so that you can all grow together. This forum does not allow you to 'network' it seems.
+1
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To clear things up, I posted a thread twice accidentally asking people's opinion about how the would handle a job if it came their way. I asked for one thread to be deleted, but now can't find any. I hope both weren't deleted by a mod.
Can anyone, without being a child, jealous or bitchy, let me know what happened to the thread?
Well my interpretation was that it was advertising. Perhaps that's how the mods saw it?
How? I have read the rules of this forum closely again before I joined. I don't believe I have contravened any. Can anyone let me know how my thread was advertising?
Is this not advertising: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207156.0 Surely it is.
This thread is also written in a similar way to mine: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207186.0
It is this type of thread that started pandemonium on here and people trying to get me BANNED: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207070.0
Can anyone explain where this is equal or fair?
None of those threads were advertising as none of thos people look to recruit members on here. You're being deliberately obtuse.
I'm not sure as you understand what advertising is then.
Would you be happy for me to put my flyers on here asking for people's opinion?
You might find this interesting: http://www.strategicbusinessnetwork.com/Article10Reasons
1. Increase your visibility
2. Start relationships that will lead to strategic alliances, joint ventures and referrals
6. To find suppliers and solutions to your problems
9. To recruit talent
CIU, through their advert, invites me to network. I have tried in the past to use this networking forum to do the above and been derided and had threads locked or deleted.
All I'm trying to do is build a business. I have already got it off the ground in the UK and Australia and now have Ireland and Belgium in my sights. If you want nothing to do with it, leave my threads alone.
If the owners of the forum are not happy with what I do on here, perhaps they will clarify to all of us what they mean by 'networking' and highlight specifically which forum rules I am breaking, so that I can stay within the said rules. I try already, to still seem to fall short, which is frustrating.
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To clear things up, I posted a thread twice accidentally asking people's opinion about how the would handle a job if it came their way. I asked for one thread to be deleted, but now can't find any. I hope both weren't deleted by a mod.
Can anyone, without being a child, jealous or bitchy, let me know what happened to the thread?
Well my interpretation was that it was advertising. Perhaps that's how the mods saw it?
How? I have read the rules of this forum closely again before I joined. I don't believe I have contravened any. Can anyone let me know how my thread was advertising?
Is this not advertising: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207156.0 Surely it is.
This thread is also written in a similar way to mine: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207186.0
It is this type of thread that started pandemonium on here and people trying to get me BANNED: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207070.0
Can anyone explain where this is equal or fair?
None of those threads were advertising as none of thos people look to recruit members on here. You're being deliberately obtuse.
I'm not sure as you understand what advertising is then.
Would you be happy for me to put my flyers on here asking for people's opinion?
Yes. As long as the flyers we weren't your target audience.
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To clear things up, I posted a thread twice accidentally asking people's opinion about how the would handle a job if it came their way. I asked for one thread to be deleted, but now can't find any. I hope both weren't deleted by a mod.
Can anyone, without being a child, jealous or bitchy, let me know what happened to the thread?
Well my interpretation was that it was advertising. Perhaps that's how the mods saw it?
How? I have read the rules of this forum closely again before I joined. I don't believe I have contravened any. Can anyone let me know how my thread was advertising?
Is this not advertising: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207156.0 Surely it is.
This thread is also written in a similar way to mine: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207186.0
It is this type of thread that started pandemonium on here and people trying to get me BANNED: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207070.0
Can anyone explain where this is equal or fair?
None of those threads were advertising as none of thos people look to recruit members on here. You're being deliberately obtuse.
I'm not sure as you understand what advertising is then.
Would you be happy for me to put my flyers on here asking for people's opinion?
Yes. As long as the flyers we weren't your target audience.
You personally are the target audience of advertising all day, everyday on the Internet, tv and other forms of media.
Your argument doesn't hold water. You see on the thread homepage who the threads are written by before you click them. If you think I'm 'targeting' you with my threads, don't click on them. If you choose to click, you are choosing to become the target audience.
If you don't want to be 'targeted' by BMW, don't click on BMW-related media. It's very straightforward.
The fact that you keep clicking and commenting on my threads shows you are actually a fan.
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To clear things up, I posted a thread twice accidentally asking people's opinion about how the would handle a job if it came their way. I asked for one thread to be deleted, but now can't find any. I hope both weren't deleted by a mod.
Can anyone, without being a child, jealous or bitchy, let me know what happened to the thread?
Well my interpretation was that it was advertising. Perhaps that's how the mods saw it?
How? I have read the rules of this forum closely again before I joined. I don't believe I have contravened any. Can anyone let me know how my thread was advertising?
Is this not advertising: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207156.0 Surely it is.
This thread is also written in a similar way to mine: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207186.0
It is this type of thread that started pandemonium on here and people trying to get me BANNED: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=207070.0
Can anyone explain where this is equal or fair?
None of those threads were advertising as none of thos people look to recruit members on here. You're being deliberately obtuse.
I'm not sure as you understand what advertising is then.
Would you be happy for me to put my flyers on here asking for people's opinion?
Yes. As long as the flyers we weren't your target audience.
You personally are the target audience of advertising all day, everyday on the Internet, tv and other forms of media.
Your argument doesn't hold water. You see on the thread homepage who the threads are written by before you click them. If you think I'm 'targeting' you with my threads, don't click on them. If you choose to click, you are choosing to become the target audience.
If you don't want to be 'targeted' by BMW, don't click on BMW-related media. It's very straightforward.
The fact that you keep clicking and commenting on my threads shows you are actually a fan.
You're missing the point. BMW pay. You can advertise on here if you pay.
And there I'll leave it.
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Steve I personally think you have rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way over the years. Not just this forum either as you have never really been willing to contribute but only to use a forum for you own gains. That is probably why your posts tend to get either locked or deleted by admin.
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Steve, not being funny, but why do you post on here?
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If you are doing better than the half dozen who appear to run this place- it is not allowed. I suggest you go to another forum less affected by this. ;)
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That'll be you you're referring to in that case who normally does the hounding.
Post any success and you personally turn toxic. You and your cronies.
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Steve I personally think you have rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way over the years. Not just this forum either as you have never really been willing to contribute but only to use a forum for you own gains. That is probably why your posts tend to get either locked or deleted by admin.
Maybe that's the case Smurf. I do not claim to be everyone's cup of tea. I have contributed in many ways to other people's threads too, but folks seem to forget that.
There are people on here who do not 'rub people up the wrong way', but rather, they are offensive, rude, personal and belittling.
There was a thread on here recently mocking my hair and moustache and depicting me as Lawrence Llewelyn Bowen. It was not deleted or locked and nor did I report it. I saw the funny side, showed the wife and we laughed our heads off. Someone even had my pic as their profile picture on another forum!
I couldn't give a stuff about what people say about me personally, I can rise above it. But to have threads locked or deleted for less, simply because peole get rubbed up the wrong way is not fair and a lot of other people see that too.
It's ok to mock someone's personal appearance, but not to network with other companies to grow your business? That's no way to run a forum.
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Steve, not being funny, but why do you post on here?
Simple, to better and grow my business.
I don't understand why anyone else would come on here, if not for that reason.
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When was the last time you actually contributed to this forum Steve apart from just using it as a free marketing/recruitment platform.
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That'll be you you're referring to in that case who normally does the hounding.
Post any success and you personally turn toxic. You and your cronies.
No, the same old, self obseessed braggarts who hound this place constantly seeking any opportunity to again and again remind us all how desperately great they are- turn the forum toxic. I have no problem with anyone's success but I only need to read the same thing once. This place has got like a primary school playground with constant exploitation of threads to play "oneupmanship". The truth is, most people don't give a toss about how much you earn after the first five hundred times of being made aware of it! This place has a well deserved reputation for BS'ers and has become somewhat of a joke among other forums- and it's very clear to see why.
This doesn't relate to SS either- it's clear to see what his intentions are and they are genuine IMO.
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See there you go again.
Can't help yourself. Someone doing well, so in your words "it is not allowed".
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Why don't you advertise ? as I see it you run a sub contract business so there's custom to be gained from here
therefore your annoyed that you cant use the forum to access it cost free.
Pay up, not only will it solve your problem but you wont come across as such a dodgy character.
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Steve, not being funny, but why do you post on here?
Simple, to better and grow my business.
I don't understand why anyone else would come on here, if not for that reason.
Well, there's your problem. The mods see it as you trying to 'use' the forum so they don't like it. The members see you as using them so they don't like it either. Remember your parting message when you deleted your account last time? You said something like you had used the forum and got what you wanted and basically you lot can bugger off.
I don't come on here to further my business, I come for the banter and the odd tips and the laugh. Always been a good place in the ten years I've used it.
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When was the last time you actually contributed to this forum Steve apart from just using it as a free marketing/recruitment platform.
Look back through topics and you'll see. Within the last week.
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Why don't you advertise ? as I see it you run a sub contract business so there's custom to be gained from here
therefore your annoyed that you cant use the forum to access it cost free.
Pay up, not only will it solve your problem but you wont come across as such a dodgy character.
Because I'm only networking, as CIU invite me to do.
How does paying money clear up someone's character? Buying your way out of trouble often indicates you have something to hide.
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Steve, not being funny, but why do you post on here?
Simple, to better and grow my business.
I don't understand why anyone else would come on here, if not for that reason.
Well, there's your problem. The mods see it as you trying to 'use' the forum so they don't like it. The members see you as using them so they don't like it either. Remember your parting message when you deleted your account last time? You said something like you had used the forum and got what you wanted and basically you lot can bugger off.
I don't come on here to further my business, I come for the banter and the odd tips and the laugh. Always been a good place in the ten years I've used it.
I think that sums it up pretty good, Window cleaning is such a simple business compared to others if you want to expand its just a case of canvassing etc to get more custom its a relatively small outlay business compared to others and every question really has been answered on here already.
Steve i reckon if you had come on here in the beginning and was just asking for subbies for your solar farms you would have been treated differently the fact you were trying to get them on here to do your course (that they had to pay for) thats where the advertising comes in and put people's backs up and the mods and now thats stuck with you. People come on here all the time and have done for many years before you started posting looking/advertising for subbies or abseilers etc and their posts dont get deleted.
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I think maybe your idea of networking might not be quite the same as others. To many networking is just communicating, yours and one or two others is obviously to drive business your way. Probably a fine line between the two. Some people blatantly use the forum to drive traffic to their website etc by posting turgid videos, one mod even ran his business through the site. One who deleted his account suddenly returned to sell a spare van, others have set up trying to sell chinese poles and water additives.
Eventually everyone gets to know their intentions (it's pretty obvious) and eventually they get found out.
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Steve, not being funny, but why do you post on here?
Simple, to better and grow my business.
I don't understand why anyone else would come on here, if not for that reason.
Well, there's your problem. The mods see it as you trying to 'use' the forum so they don't like it. The members see you as using them so they don't like it either. Remember your parting message when you deleted your account last time? You said something like you had used the forum and got what you wanted and basically you lot can bugger off.
I don't come on here to further my business, I come for the banter and the odd tips and the laugh. Always been a good place in the ten years I've used it.
Perhaps I should say I 'make use of' the forum. Either way, this is a channel to network, that's what I'm doing.
As I said earlier, members have a CHOICE to not view my posts. If they exercise their CHOICE to view my stuff, that is up to them. I merely post, as I can on any forum, not just cleaning forums. If people CHOOSE not to respond, that's fine. But it is all about choice.
I do remember my parting comment. This is not me bragging, but we continue to outstrip all of our targets and we simply need to work with even more companies.
If you want to come on here for 'a laugh', fine. You should not be mocked or decried for doing so. But if people come on here for more professional and business-driven reasons, that should be fine too.
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Steve, not being funny, but why do you post on here?
Simple, to better and grow my business.
I don't understand why anyone else would come on here, if not for that reason.
Well, there's your problem. The mods see it as you trying to 'use' the forum so they don't like it. The members see you as using them so they don't like it either. Remember your parting message when you deleted your account last time? You said something like you had used the forum and got what you wanted and basically you lot can bugger off.
I don't come on here to further my business, I come for the banter and the odd tips and the laugh. Always been a good place in the ten years I've used it.
I think that sums it up pretty good, Window cleaning is such a simple business compared to others if you want to expand its just a case of canvassing etc to get more custom its a relatively small outlay business compared to others and every question really has been answered on here already.
Steve i reckon if you had come on here in the beginning and was just asking for subbies for your solar farms you would have been treated differently the fact you were trying to get them on here to do your course (that they had to pay for) thats where the advertising comes in and put people's backs up and the mods and now thats stuck with you. People come on here all the time and have done for many years before you started posting looking/advertising for subbies or abseilers etc and their posts dont get deleted.
I take what you say, but Lee Pryor and Vin have run into similar issues without speaking about a training course.
Issues started with me asking for subcontractors BEFORE training was even mentioned.
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This forum isnt perfect by any means and there are people on here who just like to wind others up for sure. 90% of people on here have been running their business for many years and can't really learn anything else from it probably yourself included, so they just come on here for a bit of banter at the end of the working day, or to see what new gear there is etc what else is there to really learn about cleaning windows or solar panels. There is building your business by networking or whatever you want to call it and there is coming on here to try and make money out of members (as what you did) there is a difference. Like i said for years people have come on here looking for subbies etc to try and build their business and get others to make money out of it too and there hasn't been a problem with Mods deleting posts.
In fairness to people like Vin(who can be just as sarcastic to people as some my be to him), Lee Pryor they have probably taken things further then a lot on here (myself included) and when their post are mainly about themselves they are going to get the ones who like to wind people up commenting negatively on their posts but they also get people posting a lot of positive stuff (but they fail to mention that), but when they start saying "i dont know why i bother posting" all the time then people will think well dont bother then.
This forum is what it is, if you want just Business related topics and network only then i'm sure their are other forums more directed at this or even start one yourself where you can Mod it how you like and have like minded people as your members.
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Why don't you advertise ? as I see it you run a sub contract business so there's custom to be gained from here
therefore your annoyed that you cant use the forum to access it cost free.
Pay up, not only will it solve your problem but you wont come across as such a dodgy character.
Because I'm only networking, as CIU invite me to do.
How does paying money clear up someone's character? Buying your way out of trouble often indicates you have something to hide.
That and a backlink to your Australian website.
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Quite a few times I have wrote something out to post on here and when I have read it thought to myself that someone will probably slate me so often deleted them
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Why don't you advertise ? as I see it you run a sub contract business so there's custom to be gained from here
therefore your annoyed that you cant use the forum to access it cost free.
Pay up, not only will it solve your problem but you wont come across as such a dodgy character.
Because I'm only networking, as CIU invite me to do.
How does paying money clear up someone's character? Buying your way out of trouble often indicates you have something to hide.
Your not buying your way out of trouble your paying to promote your business opportunities, trying to do it on the cheap
on here sends out the message that your either a penny pinching scrooge or your not making enough money to pay for the
advertising, in other words somebody to be wary off.
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You mentioned your on this forum to contribute and to expand your business. However are you wanting to expand your business with knowledge gained from this forum. Ie, how would you recommend this or that?........how do you go about this or that?
OR are you wanting to expand your business with business partnerships or subs.
It comes across as the latter which by default is under advertising ir dropping bait for someone to pick up. So simply advertise in the legit way and avoid all of this waste of time and spend your time on an advertising campaign to get you closer to your goals. People can respect that
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As ciu make the rules and supply this forum for all of us to get to gether for Free. if someone doesn't like the way it's run why doesn't ciu send them a quiet pm and put a cross through there account then they can't come on here and be mistreated, it's the only kind thing to do.
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Steve, not being funny, but why do you post on here?
Simple, to better and grow my business.
I don't understand why anyone else would come on here, if not for that reason.
You had a hissy fit when you left last time. You offered nothing throughout the whole membership other than to scare off competition in solar panel cleaning unless we paid for your course and insulted us as you left.
Now you've come back to better and grow your business? Yeah right.
Two things I seem to remember was underhandedly gaining a solar farm to quote from purple rhino I'm sure you said it was a misunderstanding.
and you asking for opinions on a management company that would handle all the legal side or your growth, you were warned of poor service and rocketing fees and not to deal with them. But you argued everyone down. This summed you up to me
You also played the victim before. Pay for the advertising, you may have more clout with admin if we are horrible to you and those who follow your success can continue to blow smoke up your ego 😁
Tony
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Why don't you advertise ? as I see it you run a sub contract business so there's custom to be gained from here
therefore your annoyed that you cant use the forum to access it cost free.
Pay up, not only will it solve your problem but you wont come across as such a dodgy character.
Because I'm only networking, as CIU invite me to do.
How does paying money clear up someone's character? Buying your way out of trouble often indicates you have something to hide.
That and a backlink to your Australian website.
People backlink to their newest website. So have I.
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Quite a few times I have wrote something out to post on here and when I have read it thought to myself that someone will probably slate me so often deleted them
Which is a shame.
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Why don't you advertise ? as I see it you run a sub contract business so there's custom to be gained from here
therefore your annoyed that you cant use the forum to access it cost free.
Pay up, not only will it solve your problem but you wont come across as such a dodgy character.
Because I'm only networking, as CIU invite me to do.
How does paying money clear up someone's character? Buying your way out of trouble often indicates you have something to hide.
Your not buying your way out of trouble your paying to promote your business opportunities, trying to do it on the cheap
on here sends out the message that your either a penny pinching scrooge or your not making enough money to pay for the
advertising, in other words somebody to be wary off.
CIU invite people to 'network'. What is networking if it isn't trying to contact like-minded individuals?
I'm on here to do business, to better MY business. This is what many people try and do, better their business. People on this forum probably do this by:
1. Gaining knowledge about what may be their new job/trade.
2. By getting knowledge of newer or better products than they currently own.
3. Adding a further service to their current offering. This could be gutter, driveway or carpet cleaning.
4. Learn how to get better marketing materials by way of flyers, signwriting or website.
5. Learn how to scale their business.
For me personally, I have done this on forums for about 15 years, since I had my first website built. I now need the forum for a different reason, to cope with rapid growth. But I still am using the forum for the same basic reason as everyone else, to better my business.
One way I need to do this now is to contact other cleaning companies en masse. There is no better central place to do this than CIU. They have 29,000 that I am invited to network with. I am making the most of their invitation to network.
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You mentioned your on this forum to contribute and to expand your business. However are you wanting to expand your business with knowledge gained from this forum. Ie, how would you recommend this or that?........how do you go about this or that?
OR are you wanting to expand your business with business partnerships or subs.
It comes across as the latter which by default is under advertising ir dropping bait for someone to pick up. So simply advertise in the legit way and avoid all of this waste of time and spend your time on an advertising campaign to get you closer to your goals. People can respect that
Both. There are other people on here who have massive businesses. Their input can be valuable to me, so I asked the question.
I also want to expand my business as you suggest.
An advertising campaign is probably beneficial if people do not know what we offer. I think it's a pretty safe bet that people do know what we offer. Advertising would carry little benefit apart from it seems, appeasing those who don't understand networking, those who 'just come on here for the banter' or others who for reasons only known to them, don't like what I create threads about, but still read them!
Would my paying for advertising calm people and stop the snide comments about me, my appearance or my business? I very much doubt it.
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There's a difference between networking and advertising. If you don't like the restriction, leave. Simple as.
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Steve, not being funny, but why do you post on here?
Simple, to better and grow my business.
I don't understand why anyone else would come on here, if not for that reason.
You had a hissy fit when you left last time. You offered nothing throughout the whole membership other than to scare off competition in solar panel cleaning unless we paid for your course and insulted us as you left.
Now you've come back to better and grow your business? Yeah right.
Two things I seem to remember was underhandedly gaining a solar farm to quote from purple rhino I'm sure you said it was a misunderstanding.
and you asking for opinions on a management company that would handle all the legal side or your growth, you were warned of poor service and rocketing fees and not to deal with them. But you argued everyone down. This summed you up to me
You also played the victim before. Pay for the advertising, you may have more clout with admin if we are horrible to you and those who follow your success can continue to blow smoke up your ego 😁
Tony
Again, more typical examples of claims without foundation.
I have never 'underhandedly' gained a solar farm from anyone. It isn't how I operate. I don't need to.
I use Peninsula for our legal advice and boy oh boy has it come in handy. Their service has been brilliant every single time I have called them. The amount I pay them now with 11 is the same as I paid them when I too kind no my first employee 3 years ago. I can also pay the same fee if I grow to 100 employees. That's good value.
Your final point seems to indicate that if I pay admin, the more favourably they will treat me. That seems a bit fickle doesn't it? 'Grease our palm and we will look after you'? I'm sure they don't operate like that.
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There's a difference between networking and advertising. If you don't like the restriction, leave. Simple as.
I would agree. There is a difference. Can you explain it to us?
I listed some aims of networking earlier. All of them I try do do on here. That's not advertising though is it? As you say, there's a difference.
So far, no one has told me what forum rule I am breaking, nor explain how my approach is nothing else but networking, including you.
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There's a difference between networking and advertising. If you don't like the restriction, leave. Simple as.
I would agree. There is a difference. Can you explain it to us?
I listed some aims of networking earlier. All of them I try do do on here. That's not advertising though is it? As you say, there's a difference.
So far, no one has told me what forum rule I am breaking, nor explain how my approach is nothing else but networking, including you.
You are on here to recruit subbies and sell your course. That's a one way street. And when people that have done work for you and gave their views you have said it's their fault because they can't follow your instruction. Further, as these early subbies realise there is no money in it for them, you're running out and have had to come back to recruit more.
Why don't you just pay to advertise. It can't be that expensive can it?
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There's a difference between networking and advertising. If you don't like the restriction, leave. Simple as.
I would agree. There is a difference. Can you explain it to us?
I listed some aims of networking earlier. All of them I try do do on here. That's not advertising though is it? As you say, there's a difference.
So far, no one has told me what forum rule I am breaking, nor explain how my approach is nothing else but networking, including you.
You are on here to recruit subbies and sell your course. That's a one way street. And when people that have done work for you and gave their views you have said it's their fault because they can't follow your instruction. Further, as these early subbies realise there is no money in it for them, you're running out and have had to come back to recruit more.
Why don't you just pay to advertise. It can't be that expensive can it?
Are you under the influence of any strange substances today?
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There's a difference between networking and advertising. If you don't like the restriction, leave. Simple as.
I would agree. There is a difference. Can you explain it to us?
I listed some aims of networking earlier. All of them I try do do on here. That's not advertising though is it? As you say, there's a difference.
So far, no one has told me what forum rule I am breaking, nor explain how my approach is nothing else but networking, including you.
You are on here to recruit subbies and sell your course. That's a one way street. And when people that have done work for you and gave their views you have said it's their fault because they can't follow your instruction. Further, as these early subbies realise there is no money in it for them, you're running out and have had to come back to recruit more.
Why don't you just pay to advertise. It can't be that expensive can it?
Are you under the influence of any strange substances today?
What are you on about now?
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There's a difference between networking and advertising. If you don't like the restriction, leave. Simple as.
I would agree. There is a difference. Can you explain it to us?
I listed some aims of networking earlier. All of them I try do do on here. That's not advertising though is it? As you say, there's a difference.
So far, no one has told me what forum rule I am breaking, nor explain how my approach is nothing else but networking, including you.
You are on here to recruit subbies and sell your course. That's a one way street. And when people that have done work for you and gave their views you have said it's their fault because they can't follow your instruction. Further, as these early subbies realise there is no money in it for them, you're running out and have had to come back to recruit more.
Why don't you just pay to advertise. It can't be that expensive can it?
Pure codswallop.
Do the maths. 200 panels cleaned in 2012 in-house. Over 1 million panels cleaned in 2016 with over 70 subcontractors. You don't hit that number by 'running out' of subcontractors. ANYONE would need external help to cope with that rate of growth, unless you have an angel investor or are willing to have a massive loan. Both of which I am not willing to do.
Do you really think my focus is 'selling' my course? It's a tiny fraction of what we do.
The only correct thing you said in that post is that I need more subcontractors. Correct, I agree. I do. That's not advertising either. I'm only agreeing with your statement. I am responding to the demands of my industry.
Perhaps with your in-depth knowledge, you could tell me how I should have done things. Maybe you can let me know how you would have grown the business and highlight where I have gone wrong.
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Bungle I have come to realise that your one off the most jealous people on this forum a lot of your posts contain jealously. I had a neighbour like you really jealous person because of my success in buisness it soon turned into violence but it all came from him in end I had to move away from the area as one of us would have ended up seriously injured. People like you should end up on a deserted island can't be doing with all this school children attitudes grow up man go play with zippy or George 😠rant over
Well boo hoo
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There's a difference between networking and advertising. If you don't like the restriction, leave. Simple as.
I would agree. There is a difference. Can you explain it to us?
I listed some aims of networking earlier. All of them I try do do on here. That's not advertising though is it? As you say, there's a difference.
So far, no one has told me what forum rule I am breaking, nor explain how my approach is nothing else but networking, including you.
You are on here to recruit subbies and sell your course. That's a one way street. And when people that have done work for you and gave their views you have said it's their fault because they can't follow your instruction. Further, as these early subbies realise there is no money in it for them, you're running out and have had to come back to recruit more.
Why don't you just pay to advertise. It can't be that expensive can it?
Pure codswallop.
Do the maths. 200 panels cleaned in 2012 in-house. Over 1 million panels cleaned in 2016 with over 70 subcontractors. You don't hit that number by 'running out' of subcontractors. ANYONE would need external help to cope with that rate of growth, unless you have an angel investor or are willing to have a massive loan. Both of which I am not willing to do.
Do you really think my focus is 'selling' my course? It's a tiny fraction of what we do.
The only correct thing you said in that post is that I need more subcontractors. Correct, I agree. I do. That's not advertising either. I'm only agreeing with your statement. I am responding to the demands of my industry.
Perhaps with your in-depth knowledge, you could tell me how I should have done things. Maybe you can let me know how you would have grown the business and highlight where I have gone wrong.
I'm just repeating what your subbies have said. Don't shoot the messenger. ;)
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When was the last time you actually contributed to this forum Steve apart from just using it as a free marketing/recruitment platform.
Look back through topics and you'll see. Within the last week.
When I say contribute that actually means giving helpful advice to others not just posting for your own gain.
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When was the last time you actually contributed to this forum Steve apart from just using it as a free marketing/recruitment platform.
Look back through topics and you'll see. Within the last week.
When I say contribute that actually means giving helpful advice to others not just posting for your own gain.
To be fair no one has done more to stress what a risky business solar panels are. Seems incredible that one can be cleaned for 18p.
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When was the last time you actually contributed to this forum Steve apart from just using it as a free marketing/recruitment platform.
Look back through topics and you'll see. Within the last week.
When I say contribute that actually means giving helpful advice to others not just posting for your own gain.
To be fair no one has done more to stress what a risky business solar panels are. Seems incredible that one can be cleaned for 18p.
Green eyed monster!!
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When was the last time you actually contributed to this forum Steve apart from just using it as a free marketing/recruitment platform.
Look back through topics and you'll see. Within the last week.
When I say contribute that actually means giving helpful advice to others not just posting for your own gain.
To be fair no one has done more to stress what a risky business solar panels are. Seems incredible that one can be cleaned for 18p.
Green eyed monster!!
Oh yeah. ;D
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Down to one sentence replies when I ask you to be constructive instead of criticising. Interesting solution! 🙄
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Speak to Mitch or Granville.
I tried last time before I deleted my account. Mitch said some may view it as advertising. Fair enough, but why can some advertise and not others? My examples above are clear examples of threads that are not locked or banned, but when I have posted similar, they are locked or deleted very quickly.
Granville seems to have an itchy finger and looks to lock my threads too. When I asked him why, he said he will allow some people to advertise and not others. He said if you are a bigger company, he will not allow you the same freedom as the smaller company.
The forum rules should not be open to the discretion of a mod as to what is advertising and what isn't according to the size of their company. It's either advertising or it isn't.
I am still yet to have a mod or anyone quote one of the forum rules to me that I have contravened.
Hello Steve,
See that bit in red? When did I say that? When did we even discuss it?
Also you said not long after starting to recently post on CIU again that you "had spoken to Mitch" - when I clarified that with Forum Admin I was told that you do not have clearance to advertise.
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If you think he's advertising then why don't you just lock the threads within first few posts to stop all the argument s
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It was locked, then this one was started.
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Hey Steve,
DO you ACTUALLY pay 18p per panel to subcontractors?
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Hey Steve,
DO you ACTUALLY pay 18p per panel to subcontractors?
I understood from a previous thread that he paid 12p, but charged 18p. Perhaps I misremember. Happy to be corrected.
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100 panels for £12 1000 for £120 that's shocking 😉 You wouldn't be getting a Christmas bonus from them would you lol I would rather stick with cleaning houses
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Someone might like it that hasn't got a job. So well done Steve for making work even if it's not for anyone. Just wonder why they waste so much energy shooting you down.
It's got nothing to do with them
Unless forwhat I read you are a fly man, have you ripped anyone off on here or something?
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Someone might like it that hasn't got a job. So well done Steve for making work even if it's not for anyone. Just wonder why they waste so much energy shooting you down.
It's got nothing to do with them
Unless forwhat I read you are a fly man, have you ripped anyone off on here or something?
SS has never been one to contribute on any forum. Only to line his own pockets that is with his so say "networking." (you pay me I will tell you approach) That is the only reason why he is back as needs to grow his so say business further off the backs of others. Then bitches when his posts gets locked or deleted and buggers off again.
I guess that's the downfall of his success story as I'm guessing he has more work coming in than he can handle but is running out of peeps interested to do the actual hands on work. lol
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Someone might like it that hasn't got a job. So well done Steve for making work even if it's not for anyone. Just wonder why they waste so much energy shooting you down.
It's got nothing to do with them
Unless forwhat I read you are a fly man, have you ripped anyone off on here or something?
SS has never been one to contribute on any forum. Only to line his own pockets that is with his so say "networking." (you pay me I will tell you approach) That is the only reason why he is back as needs to grow his so say business further off the backs of others. Then bitches when his posts gets locked or deleted and buggers off again. lol
I would imagine he's actually back as there was a thread started about him by an old 'contractor' of his and he got wind of it and signed back up to the forum to get involved
the 'networking' spiel is just a smoke screen imo, but to each their own
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i love solar panels ;D
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Speak to Mitch or Granville.
I tried last time before I deleted my account. Mitch said some may view it as advertising. Fair enough, but why can some advertise and not others? My examples above are clear examples of threads that are not locked or banned, but when I have posted similar, they are locked or deleted very quickly.
Granville seems to have an itchy finger and looks to lock my threads too. When I asked him why, he said he will allow some people to advertise and not others. He said if you are a bigger company, he will not allow you the same freedom as the smaller company.
The forum rules should not be open to the discretion of a mod as to what is advertising and what isn't according to the size of their company. It's either advertising or it isn't.
I am still yet to have a mod or anyone quote one of the forum rules to me that I have contravened.
Hello Steve,
See that bit in red? When did I say that? When did we even discuss it?
Also you said not long after starting to recently post on CIU again that you "had spoken to Mitch" - when I clarified that with Forum Admin I was told that you do not have clearance to advertise.
We discussed the 'bit in red' in a private email conversation when a number of my threads got locked prior to my closing my account previously. I asked you specifically why you were locking my threads. You said that I was advertising my training course. I asked for you to provide specific examples, when it was in fact, other people raising the subject of the training and details surrounding it. I sent you a number of links to other people's threads that were exactly the same as mine in nature, but on a different subject. You then said however other mods may act, you would give more leeway to a smaller contractor than you would a larger or more established company like mine.
It was a large part of why I closed my account. If a mod can use his personal view of the size of someone's company as to what degree he enforces the rules of the forum, it is dare I say it, discriminatory (not a word I use lightly) against larger companies. The rules should apply to all members equally, in spite of their company size.
I don't know how you mods communicate offline with each other or us members. But if you all share a server and the emails are saved on that server, it should be easy for someone your end to find the email that you sent to me. If you communicate with members individually, it may be more difficult to track the email down. I am also open to the suggestion that Tosh sent me the email if you are adamant that you didn't send it, but I know full well it's was a mod.
I had spoken to Mitch prior to setting up a new account about advertising and voiced my concerns about my paying money to advertise on a forum when the atmosphere against me and my business was so toxic. I have not yet parted with money to advertise on here, but nor have I advertised at all either.
If you feel I am guilty of advertising since I have re-joined in my comments, please post them below and explain why you feel it is advertising.
If you can explain what CIU mean on their Google ad to join and 'network' that may help me and others stay on the right side of the rules too.
Wikipedia provide a definition: "Networking is a socioeconomic business activity by which businesspeople and entrepreneurs meet to form business relationships and to recognize, create, or act upon business opportunities, share information and seek potential partners for ventures."
According to your Google advert, I am invited to 'network', this involves creating business opportunities, which I have done and seek potential partners, which is what I have done. I am therefore using the forum exactly as CIU invite me to.
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Steve - I asked when this was.
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Someone might like it that hasn't got a job. So well done Steve for making work even if it's not for anyone. Just wonder why they waste so much energy shooting you down.
It's got nothing to do with them
Unless forwhat I read you are a fly man, have you ripped anyone off on here or something?
Hi Miko67. I have created 9 jobs in the last 2 years due to this business, 5 office-based and 4 more on tools. I dare say that none many others on the forum have grown at that rate.
I guess a some people on here are as others have phrased it 'a green eyed monster'.
For the record, I've not ripped anyone off.
Why do they put so much energy shooting me down? Good question. If they spent as much time working on their business as they do belittling the efforts of others on this forum, they would have amazing businesses and they too would be creating jobs.
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Steve - I asked when this was.
Prior to my closing my previous account. You should be able to access this information quite easily. Around a year ago I suppose.
Did you read my other post to its conclusion?
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yes come on Granvile WHAT DOES NETWORKING MEAN ON CIU ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Whens the next subcontractor course, and how much are they Steve?
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Whens the next subcontractor course, and how much are they Steve?
You must think I was born yesterday! 😂😂😂
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Steve - I asked when this was.
Prior to my closing my previous account. You should be able to access this information quite easily. Around a year ago I suppose.
Did you read my other post to its conclusion?
I have no record of it. Do you?
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yes come on Granvile WHAT DOES NETWORKING MEAN ON CIU ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Networking on CIU means to interact as a group of cleaners. I would further say that to network within the spirit of CIU then a person would be looking to help and assist other forum members more so than to take and make gain for themselves.
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yes come on Granvile WHAT DOES NETWORKING MEAN ON CIU ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Networking on CIU means to interact as a group of cleaners. I would further say that to network within the spirit of CIU then a person would be looking to help and assist other forum members more so than to take and make gain for themselves.
No one is forced to sub contract for SS nor anyone else. Anyone who does so then surely has benefited from the "networking"? It's offering work to other members- again, no one is forced to accept it BUT it could be very beneficial to some who need it/want it. CLEARLY the training course is NOT about the money either- anyone with half a brain can see that. ::)roll Well, anyone who's not in the "groovy gang"
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To Steve:
You said "Wikipedia provide a definition: "Networking is a socioeconomic business activity by which businesspeople and entrepreneurs meet to form business relationships and to recognize, create, or act upon business opportunities, share information and seek potential partners for ventures."
Now of course you chose Wikipedia's definition of Business Networking (bold mine) and ignored the several other definitions of networking - one of which was social networking.
You are an articulate man Steve and I believe you chose that definition in support of your argument in the hope that it would be enough to quell any differing view.
It wasn't enough and my answer to Franky's tongue in cheek post should suffice as to why this is so.
You then said: "According to your Google advert, I am invited to 'network', this involves creating business opportunities, which I have done and seek potential partners, which is what I have done. I am therefore using the forum exactly as CIU invite me to."
You have made your definition of "network" to become a "business network" definition. So your assertion falls down in this regard too.
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@Peavey
Thank you for your view. So then tell me when e.g. Alex Gardiner sells you a pole or A-Plan sell you insurance have you benefited from their business activities? Are they networking?
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In your own time Peavey.
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@Peavey
Thank you for your view. So then tell me when e.g. Alex Gardiner sells you a pole or A-Plan sell you insurance have you benefited from their business activities? Are they networking?
Does CIU stipulate which "version" of wicki's explanation of "networking" it is refering to in it's own adverts?
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@Peavey
Thank you for your view. So then tell me when e.g. Alex Gardiner sells you a pole or A-Plan sell you insurance have you benefited from their business activities? Are they networking?
Does CIU stipulate which "version" of wicki's explanation of "networking" it is refering to in it's own adverts?
As it doesn't then Forum Admin can decide how it wishes it to be interpreted can't it? ::)roll
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Steve - I asked when this was.
Prior to my closing my previous account. You should be able to access this information quite easily. Around a year ago I suppose.
Did you read my other post to its conclusion?
I have no record of it. Do you?
I don't at the moment as I am in London. When I get back to the office I will certainly look though.
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SS is very clear that he only uses this forum to pick up subbies. He uses it to profit. He therefore is a supplier and should either pay to advertise or lump it. It's clear that most regulars see that in internet terms he's a spammer and spamming is generally not welcome on forums.
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To Steve:
You said "Wikipedia provide a definition: "Networking is a socioeconomic business activity by which businesspeople and entrepreneurs meet to form business relationships and to recognize, create, or act upon business opportunities, share information and seek potential partners for ventures."
Now of course you chose Wikipedia's definition of Business Networking (bold mine) and ignored the several other definitions networking - one of which was social networking.
You are an articulate man Steve and I believe you chose that definition in support of your argument in the hope that it would be enough to quell any differing view.
It wasn't enough and my answer to Franky's tongue in cheek post should suffice as to why this is so.
You then said: "According to your Google advert, I am invited to 'network', this involves creating business opportunities, which I have done and seek potential partners, which is what I have done. I am therefore using the forum exactly as CIU invite me to."
You have made your definition of "network" to become a "business network" definition. So your assertion falls down in this regard too.
Hi Granville. Firstly, I want to say it's good to eventually get a civilised conversation from someone about this. Thank you.
You are correct that I have chosen 'business networking' as my definition of 'network'. This is because a business network is exactly what CIU proported to be. The following I see no your home page:
"The UK Cleaning forum is the latest online resource for the UK cleaning industry with over 31,000 registered members. Registration is free to all professionals in the cleaning industry including Carpet Cleaning, Window Cleaning, Hard Floor Cleaning, Contract Cleaning and much more. This is the place to ask all your cleaning related questions and keep in touch with over 31,000 other industry professionals."
The blurb here carries a very professional tone. It mentions words like 'resource', 'professionals' and 'cleaning industry'. It presents itself in a very business-like manner.
Other forums that are wanting their members to view themselves as professional, also use similar speak. This is a world away from Facebook, which everyone knows is classed as 'social media'. This is where people choose to just burn time on trivialities and engage in the oft used expression on here 'banter'. The way that conversations on there pan out would be fully expected to be different than 'the latest online resource for the UK cleaning industry' and I'm sure many members would view this in the same way as I.
There should be an air of professionalism on this forum as it's target market by its own admission is 'professionals'. Hence my choice of definition for 'networking'. If this forum is appealing to 'professionals', surely this is the place where professionals can engage in proper business.
If it is just another social media platform, then it should have as its blurb, something along the lines of 'Join our forum and come and have the craic and engage in banter with people who own other cleaning companies.'
Professionals want to do business and should not be stopped from doing such, nor mocked for wanting to such. I would ask therefore that you allow professionals to be able to engage in their networking activities, as you invite us to do.
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To Steve:
You said "Wikipedia provide a definition: "Networking is a socioeconomic business activity by which businesspeople and entrepreneurs meet to form business relationships and to recognize, create, or act upon business opportunities, share information and seek potential partners for ventures."
Now of course you chose Wikipedia's definition of Business Networking (bold mine) and ignored the several other definitions networking - one of which was social networking.
You are an articulate man Steve and I believe you chose that definition in support of your argument in the hope that it would be enough to quell any differing view.
It wasn't enough and my answer to Franky's tongue in cheek post should suffice as to why this is so.
You then said: "According to your Google advert, I am invited to 'network', this involves creating business opportunities, which I have done and seek potential partners, which is what I have done. I am therefore using the forum exactly as CIU invite me to."
You have made your definition of "network" to become a "business network" definition. So your assertion falls down in this regard too.
Hi Granville. Firstly, I want to say it's good to eventually get a civilised conversation from someone about this. Thank you.
You are correct that I have chosen 'business networking' as my definition of 'network'. This is because a business network is exactly what CIU proported to be. The following I see no your home page:
"The UK Cleaning forum is the latest online resource for the UK cleaning industry with over 31,000 registered members. Registration is free to all professionals in the cleaning industry including Carpet Cleaning, Window Cleaning, Hard Floor Cleaning, Contract Cleaning and much more. This is the place to ask all your cleaning related questions and keep in touch with over 31,000 other industry professionals."
The blurb here carries a very professional tone. It mentions words like 'resource', 'professionals' and 'cleaning industry'. It presents itself in a very business-like manner.
Other forums that are wanting their members to view themselves as professional, also use similar speak. This is a world away from Facebook, which everyone knows is classed as 'social media'. This is where people choose to just burn time on trivialities and engage in the oft used expression on here 'banter'. The way that conversations on there pan out would be fully expected to be different than 'the latest online resource for the UK cleaning industry' and I'm sure many members would view this in the same way as I.
There should be an air of professionalism on this forum as it's target market by its own admission is 'professionals'. Hence my choice of definition for 'networking'. If this forum is appealing to 'professionals', surely this is the place where professionals can engage in proper business.
If it is just another social media platform, then it should have as its blurb, something along the lines of 'Join our forum and come and have the craic and engage in banter with people who own other cleaning companies.'
Professionals want to do business and should not be stopped from doing such, nor mocked for wanting to such. I would ask therefore that you allow professionals to be able to engage in their networking activities, as you invite us to do.
You don't just want to "keep in touch and ask cleaning related questions." You want to recruit subbies. It really isn't difficult.
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To Steve:
You said "Wikipedia provide a definition: "Networking is a socioeconomic business activity by which businesspeople and entrepreneurs meet to form business relationships and to recognize, create, or act upon business opportunities, share information and seek potential partners for ventures."
Now of course you chose Wikipedia's definition of Business Networking (bold mine) and ignored the several other definitions networking - one of which was social networking.
You are an articulate man Steve and I believe you chose that definition in support of your argument in the hope that it would be enough to quell any differing view.
It wasn't enough and my answer to Franky's tongue in cheek post should suffice as to why this is so.
You then said: "According to your Google advert, I am invited to 'network', this involves creating business opportunities, which I have done and seek potential partners, which is what I have done. I am therefore using the forum exactly as CIU invite me to."
You have made your definition of "network" to become a "business network" definition. So your assertion falls down in this regard too.
Hi Granville. Firstly, I want to say it's good to eventually get a civilised conversation from someone about this. Thank you.
You are correct that I have chosen 'business networking' as my definition of 'network'. This is because a business network is exactly what CIU proported to be. The following I see no your home page:
"The UK Cleaning forum is the latest online resource for the UK cleaning industry with over 31,000 registered members. Registration is free to all professionals in the cleaning industry including Carpet Cleaning, Window Cleaning, Hard Floor Cleaning, Contract Cleaning and much more. This is the place to ask all your cleaning related questions and keep in touch with over 31,000 other industry professionals."
The blurb here carries a very professional tone. It mentions words like 'resource', 'professionals' and 'cleaning industry'. It presents itself in a very business-like manner.
Other forums that are wanting their members to view themselves as professional, also use similar speak. This is a world away from Facebook, which everyone knows is classed as 'social media'. This is where people choose to just burn time on trivialities and engage in the oft used expression on here 'banter'. The way that conversations on there pan out would be fully expected to be different than 'the latest online resource for the UK cleaning industry' and I'm sure many members would view this in the same way as I.
There should be an air of professionalism on this forum as it's target market by its own admission is 'professionals'. Hence my choice of definition for 'networking'. If this forum is appealing to 'professionals', surely this is the place where professionals can engage in proper business.
If it is just another social media platform, then it should have as its blurb, something along the lines of 'Join our forum and come and have the craic and engage in banter with people who own other cleaning companies.'
Professionals want to do business and should not be stopped from doing such, nor mocked for wanting to such. I would ask therefore that you allow professionals to be able to engage in their networking activities, as you invite us to do.
You don't just want to "keep in touch and ask cleaning related questions." You want to recruit subbies. It really isn't difficult.
Is "Would anyone in xxxxxxxxx area be interested in carrying out solar panel cleaning with us?" not a cleaning related question?
I think what they mean by that, is that they don't want people coming on here talking about what they have for breakfast, even though there is currently an open thread about this. How can discussing one's breakfast be more acceptable on a cleaning forum than someone offering training and a subsequent business relationship to others?
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A good breakfast can mean the difference in a good or bad days earnings so its very important, that said I'm sure if Kelloggs
had started the thread it would have been locked.
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To Steve:
You said "Wikipedia provide a definition: "Networking is a socioeconomic business activity by which businesspeople and entrepreneurs meet to form business relationships and to recognize, create, or act upon business opportunities, share information and seek potential partners for ventures."
Now of course you chose Wikipedia's definition of Business Networking (bold mine) and ignored the several other definitions networking - one of which was social networking.
You are an articulate man Steve and I believe you chose that definition in support of your argument in the hope that it would be enough to quell any differing view.
It wasn't enough and my answer to Franky's tongue in cheek post should suffice as to why this is so.
You then said: "According to your Google advert, I am invited to 'network', this involves creating business opportunities, which I have done and seek potential partners, which is what I have done. I am therefore using the forum exactly as CIU invite me to."
You have made your definition of "network" to become a "business network" definition. So your assertion falls down in this regard too.
Hi Granville. Firstly, I want to say it's good to eventually get a civilised conversation from someone about this. Thank you.
You are correct that I have chosen 'business networking' as my definition of 'network'. This is because a business network is exactly what CIU proported to be. The following I see no your home page:
"The UK Cleaning forum is the latest online resource for the UK cleaning industry with over 31,000 registered members. Registration is free to all professionals in the cleaning industry including Carpet Cleaning, Window Cleaning, Hard Floor Cleaning, Contract Cleaning and much more. This is the place to ask all your cleaning related questions and keep in touch with over 31,000 other industry professionals."
The blurb here carries a very professional tone. It mentions words like 'resource', 'professionals' and 'cleaning industry'. It presents itself in a very business-like manner.
Other forums that are wanting their members to view themselves as professional, also use similar speak. This is a world away from Facebook, which everyone knows is classed as 'social media'. This is where people choose to just burn time on trivialities and engage in the oft used expression on here 'banter'. The way that conversations on there pan out would be fully expected to be different than 'the latest online resource for the UK cleaning industry' and I'm sure many members would view this in the same way as I.
There should be an air of professionalism on this forum as it's target market by its own admission is 'professionals'. Hence my choice of definition for 'networking'. If this forum is appealing to 'professionals', surely this is the place where professionals can engage in proper business.
If it is just another social media platform, then it should have as its blurb, something along the lines of 'Join our forum and come and have the craic and engage in banter with people who own other cleaning companies.'
Professionals want to do business and should not be stopped from doing such, nor mocked for wanting to such. I would ask therefore that you allow professionals to be able to engage in their networking activities, as you invite us to do.
You don't just want to "keep in touch and ask cleaning related questions." You want to recruit subbies. It really isn't difficult.
Is "Would anyone in xxxxxxxxx area be interested in carrying out solar panel cleaning with us?" not a cleaning related question?
I think what they mean by that, is that they don't want people coming on here talking about what they have for breakfast, even though there is currently an open thread about this. How can discussing one's breakfast be more acceptable on a cleaning forum than someone offering training and a subsequent business relationship to others?
Place it on the business opportunities board.
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Steve,
As you said in an earlier post:
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CIU invite people to 'network'. What is networking if it isn't trying to contact like-minded individuals?
I'm on here to do business, to better MY business. This is what many people try and do, better their business. People on this forum probably do this by:
1. Gaining knowledge about what may be their new job/trade.
2. By getting knowledge of newer or better products than they currently own.
3. Adding a further service to their current offering. This could be gutter, driveway or carpet cleaning.
4. Learn how to get better marketing materials by way of flyers, signwriting or website.
5. Learn how to scale their business.
For me personally, I have done this on forums for about 15 years, since I had my first website built. I now need the forum for a different reason, to cope with rapid growth. But I still am using the forum for the same basic reason as everyone else, to better my business.
One way I need to do this now is to contact other cleaning companies en masse. There is no better central place to do this than CIU. They have 29,000 that I am invited to network with. I am making the most of their invitation to network.
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Those bits I have highlighted especially.
Why would a successful, ethical businessman try to get something for free especially when the people running the organisation he is benefitting from express concern?
Does it not say something about how he views other human beings?
Might folk not believe they are being taking advantage of and decide to not let it continue?
Would advertisers who pay up and benefit from all the things above feel aggrieved if such a person were allowed to continue?
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Mod Note:
Solar Steve,
Using the forum members for financial gain is certainly seen as advertising by us. This tends to be the best explanation of 'advertising'. You have contacted us recently regarding advertising which is great, if you would like to proceed please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk