Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: nathankaye on March 11, 2017, 10:11:31 am
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Cleaned 2 houses yesterday (new clients), when i went to clean back windows i noticed something smeared all over one of the windows on the first house i cleaned.
However wasnt too fussed as it seemed to have cleaned up nicely.
Same on the 2nd house i cleaned but it was on the front windows.
Wasnt overly concerned as i always get a first clean price before setting their regular maintenance charge. In these cases the ownera told me afterwards that their windows got egged.
It would have taken ages with cold water alone, but hot water, absolutely brilliant!!!
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Ground floor a quick soak and scraper second floor Gardiner scraper quick and simple, is that the best you can offer for all the faffing about and £800 to £1000 a year in extra expenses, seriously put the money into a Xtreme pole or something that will
actually benefit your working day.
Not joking like most hot users (not all) you keep needing to sell it to yourself.
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Sorry if that's sounds aggressive but the guy was knocking out 35 properties a day with cold so he was hardly getting
anything on the glass in large amounts that was hard to remove.
If he was working on the coast or similar and the conditions had been making his working day difficult then I could certainly
understand the compulsion to push for using hot.
Iv said it before and Ill say it again, some people aren't happy unless they are making their lives as complicated as possible.
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Another WFPoler that's never used hot water then.
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Yeah hot waters rubbish why not just go round and scrape Windows and apply detergent first then go back round every window and clean them with cold water,makes perfect sense to me eh lol 😂 dear me.
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Another WFPoler that's never used hot water then.
its better to use hot water than cold but the benefits are marginal compared to the ongoing expenses(gas or diesel),initial investment and the general faffing about IMO.
especially if most of your work is 4/6/8 weekly maintenance cleans.
even with add ons like conny roofs your better off using customers outside taps(more pressure)and chemicals like virosol/CIF etc.the time saving is virtually nil using hot water compared to cold plus you save your pure water for window cleaning.
using a good brush and having a decent scraper fitted to your pole is more important than cleaning with hot water.
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Another WFPoler that's never used hot water then.
its better to use hot water than cold but the benefits are marginal compared to the ongoing expenses(gas or diesel),initial investment and the general faffing about IMO.
especially if most of your work is 4/6/8 weekly maintenance cleans.
even with add ons like conny roofs your better off using customers outside taps(more pressure)and chemicals like virosol/CIF etc.the time saving is virtually nil using hot water compared to cold plus you save your pure water for window cleaning.
using a good brush and having a decent scraper fitted to your pole is more important than cleaning with hot water.
from a cleaner that's used both hot and cold lol
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Another WFPoler that's never used hot water then.
its better to use hot water than cold but the benefits are marginal compared to the ongoing expenses(gas or diesel),initial investment and the general faffing about IMO.
especially if most of your work is 4/6/8 weekly maintenance cleans.
even with add ons like conny roofs your better off using customers outside taps(more pressure)and chemicals like virosol/CIF etc.the time saving is virtually nil using hot water compared to cold plus you save your pure water for window cleaning.
using a good brush and having a decent scraper fitted to your pole is more important than cleaning with hot water.
You just keep telling yourself that Daz ;D
I reckon you'll be back on hot by crimbo ;D :D
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I think the benefits are massive myself , after using hot and then deciding not to use it anymore i put the boiler in the shed and forgot about it , i then put it in the new van just to see what i was missing , i can honestly say that i wont be taking it out again the list of pros is huge compared to the only con , which is gas cost and that is not worth worrying about , i pay £29 for 13kg and that will do me over a month :o :o :o , surely i will go bust with that kind of overhead !
Rich
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Ground floor a quick soak and scraper second floor Gardiner scraper quick and simple, is that the best you can offer for all the faffing about and £800 to £1000 a year in extra expenses, seriously put the money into a Xtreme pole or something that will
actually benefit your working day.
Not joking like most hot users (not all) you keep needing to sell it to yourself.
Can you do my taxes mate, as you seem to pull figures from the air.
Dried on egg takes ages to scrape of and wash with cold. I spent many years on trad and cleaning egg trad style was the pits. Soaking it with cold water and waiting and then scrubing whilst hoping not to scratch the glass then soaking and rinsing and hoping youve got it all off.
Thankfully i never came across it whilst using cold on wfp because it would be just as hard.
Hot though, your not scrubbing away or waiting for it to soak in and certainly no worries of scratching the glass.
Im certainly not trying to convince myself that it was a good move going onto hot as i know it was a great move to do so. Its for people who may be considering doing so to hear how much better it is. Also how cheap it is to buy and fit and yes a little bit more on electric bill and for what.......for making work seem effortlessly.
Or is it more like youve been cleaning windows for x amount of years and someone like me has upgraded from many yrs of trad to wfp and has experimented with it and now feel like i have a brilliant set up that works for me. Yes cleaning quite a number of houses per day and now doing so with such ease and without it feeling like work. Oh and yes without the water being the miraculous 000 as well. I used hot water and currently it is 006 in my tank.
So for the ones who are contemplating it, dont hesitate.
For the ones who dont care less, absolutely fine and continue to be hapoy working as i dont feel i need to be aggressive in telling you your wrong as some may feel the need to tell me opposite
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Ground floor a quick soak and scraper second floor Gardiner scraper quick and simple, is that the best you can offer for all the faffing about and £800 to £1000 a year in extra expenses, seriously put the money into a Xtreme pole or something that will
actually benefit your working day.
Not joking like most hot users (not all) you keep needing to sell it to yourself.
Can you do my taxes mate, as you seem to pull figures from the air.
Dried on egg takes ages to scrape of and wash with cold. I spent many years on trad and cleaning egg trad style was the pits. Soaking it with cold water and waiting and then scrubing whilst hoping not to scratch the glass then soaking and rinsing and hoping youve got it all off.
In 6 years I've cleaned two windows with egg on. ;D
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Not sure where i sit with the hot/cold argument but what i do know is that hot water does not clean anything better than cold water, ie washing yourself, it is the soap/shower gel/ that makes it quicker as it breaks things down, same as washing up.
I accept hot is more comfortable to work with in cold weather and stops pipes freezing but do not agree it makes window cleaning soooo much quicker.
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Nathan your using the heater element ain't you how hot does your water get and how long does it stay warm and what size element did you get
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Not sure where i sit with the hot/cold argument but what i do know is that hot water does not clean anything better than cold water, ie washing yourself, it is the soap/shower gel/ that makes it quicker as it breaks things down, same as washing up.
I accept hot is more comfortable to work with in cold weather and stops pipes freezing but do not agree it makes window cleaning soooo much quicker.
This may change your mind. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Qanob6u_M
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Mmmm, yep, Ionics with an advert trying to get you to part with the best part of ten grand! as for the you would not wash your dishes in cold water malarkay, that is because hot water sterilizes the plates you eat from.
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Water at 40/50 degrees or whatever you wash your dishes at doesn’t sterilise them.
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Sorry Slacky, i was referring to the Ionics advert that shows the dishwasher.
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Nathan your using the heater element ain't you how hot does your water get and how long does it stay warm and what size element did you get
I have a 500l upright wydale tank. Which is wrapped in bubble silver backed insullation.
Its a 2kw 27inch immersion which is virtually on the bottom of my tank. The thermostat is set to the highest.
The insulation holds the heat nicely. I turn it on via a timer at midnight untill either 7 or 8am. The temp gets above 50 degrees. To the point when i take the lid off in the morning to take temp, steam just bellows out. At the end of the day, ie 8pm when i top my tank up ready for next day, the water is still in the 40's.
Heres a vid that i took early in week but didnt post. Just ignore last bit of waffle about internet (it was just a dig at something said a while back on another thread)
https://youtu.be/cB2kkIfEtWk
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I think the benefits are massive myself , after using hot and then deciding not to use it anymore i put the boiler in the shed and forgot about it , i then put it in the new van just to see what i was missing , i can honestly say that i wont be taking it out again the list of pros is huge compared to the only con , which is gas cost and that is not worth worrying about , i pay £29 for 13kg and that will do me over a month :o :o :o , surely i will go bust with that kind of overhead !
Rich
seriously the benefits are not "massive" mate.ive been using hot water on and off for several years and the difference is marginal.the time saved is non existent when you take into consideration changing gas bottles for example and draining heaters down and the general faffing about.its not worth it.
i was spending £500-£600 a year just on gas alone.over the course of 5 years its £2,500-£3,000.enough for a decent luxury holiday with the missus or whatever you fancy spending it on.
also the risk of a gas leak is very real and potentially setting fire to your van while your working around the back of a property(using cheap gas heaters).
also my brushes were curling up at the edges very quickly.i never made any more money using hot water compared to cold either! ;D
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Right, i haven't used hot water before, but in my mind the benefits of just using hot water on those freezing cold days in winter alone seem like a good enough reason to have hot. From December to February, i literally hate going out every morning when its freezing cold, fingers numb and falling off using cold and literally almost in pain. I'd happily upgrade to hot water just to warm the pole up and keep myself warmer in the winter months, sacking the benefits of using hot water off for a minute ;D ;D ;D
That's just me though, im a wimp, don't deal with the cold very well and hate having freezing hands ;D ;D
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Nathan are you having a ball pool party with that tank lol 😁
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Right, i haven't used hot water before, but in my mind the benefits of just using hot water on those freezing cold days in winter alone seem like a good enough reason to have hot. From December to February, i literally hate going out every morning when its freezing cold, fingers numb and falling off using cold and literally almost in pain. I'd happily upgrade to hot water just to warm the pole up and keep myself warmer in the winter months, sacking the benefits of using hot water off for a minute ;D ;D ;D
That's just me though, im a wimp, don't deal with the cold very well and hate having freezing hands ;D ;D
This is the main reason i went hot, i upgraded from trad to wfp to make my life easier. But then come winter n cold im glad not to be holding cold ladders. Yet my hoses became stiffer and poles cold and i ididnt relish the thought of going to work. So i thought i would get into hot water. I have and theres no turning back, yes for the ease and yes it helps at the cleaning end as well. Due to this forum ive sorted out a motor on my hose reel as well. So just over £100 to get hot water sorted and an electric reel. No i enjoy my doddle of a job,
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Ground floor a quick soak and scraper second floor Gardiner scraper quick and simple, is that the best you can offer for all the faffing about and £800 to £1000 a year in extra expenses, seriously put the money into a Xtreme pole or something that will
actually benefit your working day.
Not joking like most hot users (not all) you keep needing to sell it to yourself.
Can you do my taxes mate, as you seem to pull figures from the air.
Dried on egg takes ages to scrape of and wash with cold. I spent many years on trad and cleaning egg trad style was the pits. Soaking it with cold water and waiting and then scrubing whilst hoping not to scratch the glass then soaking and rinsing and hoping youve got it all off.
In 6 years I've cleaned two windows with egg on. ;D
They must have been very big
:D
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I use £20 worth of diesel to power my heater every 3 weeks so pittance,if your comparing immersion temp to on demand it's chalk and cheese,warm and hot clean differently.
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Have to say hot is the way to go but as for removing dried on eggs I think you would still need a scraper and de greaser of some sort as they leave a very greasy film on the glass that you will spread to other windows if you arnt carefully , that's what I found anyway
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I think the benefits are massive myself , after using hot and then deciding not to use it anymore i put the boiler in the shed and forgot about it , i then put it in the new van just to see what i was missing , i can honestly say that i wont be taking it out again the list of pros is huge compared to the only con , which is gas cost and that is not worth worrying about , i pay £29 for 13kg and that will do me over a month :o :o :o , surely i will go bust with that kind of overhead !
Rich
we pay £29 for 19kg, you want to shop around
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i used to have hot but got rid because it is expensive .its nice to have in the winter but found i didn't need or justify having it , i made my mind up when my heater caught fire and lucky enough i caught it and put it out with my hose . it didn't go out easy
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I think the benefits are massive myself , after using hot and then deciding not to use it anymore i put the boiler in the shed and forgot about it , i then put it in the new van just to see what i was missing , i can honestly say that i wont be taking it out again the list of pros is huge compared to the only con , which is gas cost and that is not worth worrying about , i pay £29 for 13kg and that will do me over a month :o :o :o , surely i will go bust with that kind of overhead !
Rich
seriously the benefits are not "massive" mate.ive been using hot water on and off for several years and the difference is marginal.the time saved is non existent when you take into consideration changing gas bottles for example and draining heaters down and the general faffing about.its not worth it.
i was spending £500-£600 a year just on gas alone.over the course of 5 years its £2,500-£3,000.enough for a decent luxury holiday with the missus or whatever you fancy spending it on.
also the risk of a gas leak is very real and potentially setting fire to your van while your working around the back of a property(using cheap gas heaters).
also my brushes were curling up at the edges very quickly.i never made any more money using hot water compared to cold either! ;D
Where is the faffing around , i have not ever drained the heater down , my brushes dont curl up , cost is £29 a month , im warm , it cleans better , changing the bottle takes 1 minute , hoses are managable , for me its more a comfort thing , i have always hated the cold to the point it would make me go home , now that i am going to be on blood thinners for the rest of my life its more a must , its the game changer for me to be warm .
Rich
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I think the benefits are massive myself , after using hot and then deciding not to use it anymore i put the boiler in the shed and forgot about it , i then put it in the new van just to see what i was missing , i can honestly say that i wont be taking it out again the list of pros is huge compared to the only con , which is gas cost and that is not worth worrying about , i pay £29 for 13kg and that will do me over a month :o :o :o , surely i will go bust with that kind of overhead !
Rich
we pay £29 for 19kg, you want to shop around
I see what you are saying Bob , i had a transporter and used a 19kg , i now have a fiat fiorino and all i can fit in is a 13kg , plus i use the patio gas bottle with the quick change regulator , one reason for change over time and another for the fact that i can and do totally disconect whenever the van moves , there could always be room for Daz's situation to happen , but that is a risk for any gas user , whatever the application .
What did happen exactly Daz ?
Rich
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i used to have hot but got rid because it is expensive .its nice to have in the winter but found i didn't need or justify having it , i made my mind up when my heater caught fire and lucky enough i caught it and put it out with my hose . it didn't go out easy
I always run my pump on max, for this reason. Nothing to do with speeding the rinse up.
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The way in which ive chosen to heat my water means a low initial set up cost. Ive not used it long enough to get the actual daily cost but im not overly fussed with that. Over the winter n damp months and especially with a young family, se have the heating on in the house quite a bit. Then theres the cost of using the tumble dryer virtually daily etc and then come warmer months my electric bill (like mosts) will decrease quite a bit. So adding a slight running cost of the immersion heater from midnight at the cheaper rates isnt going to blow the budget for the comfort and benefits of using hot water throughout the warmer months as well.
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Ground floor a quick soak and scraper second floor Gardiner scraper quick and simple, is that the best you can offer for all the faffing about and £800 to £1000 a year in extra expenses, seriously put the money into a Xtreme pole or something that will
actually benefit your working day.
Not joking like most hot users (not all) you keep needing to sell it to yourself.
The outlay is tiny compared to the high turnover most business like windows cleaners get pa
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What's a high turnover for a one man band window cleaner though?40k-45k?by the time taxes,insurances and expenses have been deducted your left with about 30k profit.it's hardly a fortune!no point adding to your expenses if it isn't necessary.
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What's a high turnover for a one man band window cleaner though?40k-45k?by the time taxes,insurances and expenses have been deducted your left with about 30k profit.it's hardly a fortune!no point adding to your expenses if it isn't necessary.
Guessing its time people switched to old school n use immersion heaters instead 😂😂
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What's a high turnover for a one man band window cleaner though?40k-45k?by the time taxes,insurances and expenses have been deducted your left with about 30k profit.it's hardly a fortune!no point adding to your expenses if it isn't necessary.
But Dazmond youre always buying stuff and saying it's about having the best gear.
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What's a high turnover for a one man band window cleaner though?40k-45k?by the time taxes,insurances and expenses have been deducted your left with about 30k profit.it's hardly a fortune!no point adding to your expenses if it isn't necessary.
But Dazmond youre always buying stuff and saying it's about having the best gear.
i agree in regards to decent poles and brushes but hot water is different as gas heaters are not safe IMO.so whats left?diesel heaters?very expensive for very little added benefit esp if you change your van every 5 years.
immersion maybe an option but its only for comfort when winter working really.
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Once upon a time, before gas central heating came out. People used coal fires to heat their homes or coal fire central heating units but they also had immersion heaters as a source of hot water. Im sure some on here remember those days. Now correct me if im wrong, but did people only use the emmersion heater when they wanted warm or tepid water for a bath????..........errrrrrm NO!! I believe they were used to get HOT water. Gas boilers only replaced these as they were more efficient at heating the sater as and when instead of storing a huge quantity of hot water.
Ok im biased, but if people honestly dont know how to produce very hot water in their tanks (especially due to being tight fisted) with emmersion heaters than something is drastically wrong with them.
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Just stick a wood or coal burner coil in yer van... sorted lol
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Once upon a time, before gas central heating came out. People used coal fires to heat their homes or coal fire central heating units but they also had immersion heaters as a source of hot water. Im sure some on here remember those days. Now correct me if im wrong, but did people only use the emmersion heater when they wanted warm or tepid water for a bath????..........errrrrrm NO!! I believe they were used to get HOT water. Gas boilers only replaced these as they were more efficient at heating the sater as and when instead of storing a huge quantity of hot water.
Ok im biased, but if people honestly dont know how to produce very hot water in their tanks (especially due to being tight fisted) with emmersion heaters than something is drastically wrong with them.
If you can put your hand in the tank then its warm water and certainly not hot enough to make any real difference to a difficult
clean.
Household immersion heaters where very similar to a electric shower powerful and designed to give a on demand hot water
supply or backup to the main hot water supplier which would have been a boiler at the back off the coal fire, you certainly
wouldn't have wanted to use them as a bath water heater, expensive.
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Good job ive not put my hand in tank then. However i have stuck my hand very quickly into a coal fire before. Accidently dropped something in once, that was fun 😲