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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Suffolkcleaners on March 09, 2017, 05:24:34 pm
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Hi guys. Just out of curiosity what is the difference between say working with 000 or 006?
I've been working with 006 this week and have to say I've had no spotting at all. So what is the advantage of actually having it at 000? Are certain windows likely to spot on say a TDS of 006 and not 000?
Obviously I prefer to have piece of mind In knowing the water is as pure as you can get but was just curious.
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6-7ppm is actually when i change my resin as a rule. In the past ive worked up to 15ppm with no problems but as you say its piece of mind working with 0 and if there are problems at least you can rule the water out if always working with 0. But i quite happily use 006 water and never had complaints.
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Hi guys. Just out of curiosity what is the difference between say working with 000 or 006?
I've been working with 006 this week and have to say I've had no spotting at all. So what is the advantage of actually having it at 000? Are certain windows likely to spot on say a TDS of 006 and not 000?
Obviously I prefer to have piece of mind In knowing the water is as pure as you can get but was just curious.
Tds is basicly a calculation of the measured conductivity, multiplied by the correlation factor. Really, if you are advertising as using pure water for window cleaning, anything above 0 microseimens, or 000 ppm you are technically not using pure water and believe it or not, if your customers were to find out that your not keeping on top of your water quality, they could go to trading standards about you.
Granted... this is unlikely, but still a possibility.
Ask yourself do you really want to risk it? I always change my water as soon as it hits 1.
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Hi guys. Just out of curiosity what is the difference between say working with 000 or 006?
I've been working with 006 this week and have to say I've had no spotting at all. So what is the advantage of actually having it at 000? Are certain windows likely to spot on say a TDS of 006 and not 000?
Obviously I prefer to have piece of mind In knowing the water is as pure as you can get but was just curious.
Tds is basicly a calculation of the measured conductivity, multiplied by the correlation factor. Really, if you are advertising as using pure water for window cleaning, anything above 0 microseimens, or 000 ppm you are technically not using pure water and believe it or not, if your customers were to find out that your not keeping on top of your water quality, they could go to trading standards about you.
Granted... this is unlikely, but still a possibility.
Ask yourself do you really want to risk it? I always change my water as soon as it hits 1.
There is no such thing as pure water used for window cleaning. Purified yes maybe but Pure defo is it not.
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Hi guys. Just out of curiosity what is the difference between say working with 000 or 006?
I've been working with 006 this week and have to say I've had no spotting at all. So what is the advantage of actually having it at 000? Are certain windows likely to spot on say a TDS of 006 and not 000?
Obviously I prefer to have piece of mind In knowing the water is as pure as you can get but was just curious.
Tds is basicly a calculation of the measured conductivity, multiplied by the correlation factor. Really, if you are advertising as using pure water for window cleaning, anything above 0 microseimens, or 000 ppm you are technically not using pure water and believe it or not, if your customers were to find out that your not keeping on top of your water quality, they could go to trading standards about you.
Granted... this is unlikely, but still a possibility.
Ask yourself do you really want to risk it? I always change my water as soon as it hits 1.
There is no such thing as pure water used for window cleaning. Purified yes maybe but Pure defo is it not.
Exactly. doesn't matter if it goes above 0 if your calling it pure or not its only purified water else technically you cant say 0 is pure , its only a measurement of the waters purity.
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I don't know who would actually check your water. Can't see the trading standard thing happening unless you get a real fruit loop of a customer.
I was just curious as 006 as not left a single mark and cleans fantastically so was just wondering if 000 would make much difference to perhaps certain Windows that are more likely to spot? Like old sash windows for example?
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Ps. I've bought a new Di which has got my TDS down to 000 so I'm happier to work with this but it was purely out of curiosity if it actually made any difference.
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Ps. I've bought a new Di which has got my TDS down to 000 so I'm happier to work with this but it was purely out of curiosity if it actually made any difference.
save your old di vessel if its a decent size and double up this will let you get more out of your resin. So when your current resin starts to creep up you can swap the vessels around.
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Not with a crappy 1litre DI it wont
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Not with a crappy 1litre DI it wont
lol thought it would have been bigger
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Could be wrong on numbers, going from memory.
Under perfect conditions and you use your water on a sheet of glass. You wouldnt be able to see the particles left after the water has dried untill its close to 050.
But that is under perfect conditions.
Not taking into account dirst/dust on window (as in not rinsed properly) oils from seals, dirt on frames etc etc.
Ive had my water above 010 and has been ok. To the point i dont always use di resin to polish of the water. But my work is regular 4 weekly cleans.
I would love to see the first customer to come out with a tds stick and ask to check the quality of anyone's water before cleaning their windows 😂😂
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Hi guys. Just out of curiosity what is the difference between say working with 000 or 006?
I've been working with 006 this week and have to say I've had no spotting at all. So what is the advantage of actually having it at 000? Are certain windows likely to spot on say a TDS of 006 and not 000?
Obviously I prefer to have piece of mind In knowing the water is as pure as you can get but was just curious.
Tds is basicly a calculation of the measured conductivity, multiplied by the correlation factor. Really, if you are advertising as using pure water for window cleaning, anything above 0 microseimens, or 000 ppm you are technically not using pure water and believe it or not, if your customers were to find out that your not keeping on top of your water quality, they could go to trading standards about you.
Granted... this is unlikely, but still a possibility.
Ask yourself do you really want to risk it? I always change my water as soon as it hits 1.
stop talking rubbish!
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Still no real logical answer as to whether working at say 006 instead of 000 is any worse? Apart from peace of mind. Would certain types of Windows perhaps be more prone to spotting on say a 006 reading to a 000 reading? I know the nice and easy white upvc modern windows always come up nice. Sometimes sash Windows can be a bummer but mainly on badly painted ones.(I have an ultimate flocked brush on standby for these-still haven't tried the brush yet)
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006 is ok but keep an eye on it now that it has started to rise, i would allow it to go to 010 then change it over
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Still no real logical answer as to whether working at say 006 instead of 000 is any worse? Apart from peace of mind. Would certain types of Windows perhaps be more prone to spotting on say a 006 reading to a 000 reading? I know the nice and easy white upvc modern windows always come up nice. Sometimes sash Windows can be a bummer but mainly on badly painted ones.(I have an ultimate flocked brush on standby for these-still haven't tried the brush yet)
Truth is nobody really knows..we are only window cleaners you know its just magic water.. splash n dash and grab the cash is my motto ;D
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i keep mine under 010 tds.(most of the time its 000).dont skimp on water and use brushes in good condition and you ll very rarely get problems with spotting etc
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Still no real logical answer as to whether working at say 006 instead of 000 is any worse? Apart from peace of mind. Would certain types of Windows perhaps be more prone to spotting on say a 006 reading to a 000 reading? I know the nice and easy white upvc modern windows always come up nice. Sometimes sash Windows can be a bummer but mainly on badly painted ones.(I have an ultimate flocked brush on standby for these-still haven't tried the brush yet)
If the water doesn't spot when dry then it wont spot when dry under any circumstance, keeping the water at 000 wont
make a problematic window any less problematic.
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There are some factors which come into play, ie condition of the seals etc, but this is taken under consideration of how good the window cleaner is and also the technique in which he or she cleans and to that point you should be able to continue cleaning when water is 020 for instance.
The magic 000 is mostly the confidence boosters in salesmen's pitches of old, to prevent any comebacks and money lost to them as they would argue water quality.
Some on here also swear of the magic 000 and never let their water go above, well that is their choice to throw good money into expensive RO's or bags n bags of resin. However a bad technique even using 000 can leave spots.
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There are some factors which come into play, ie condition of the seals etc, but this is taken under consideration of how good the window cleaner is and also the technique in which he or she cleans and to that point you should be able to continue cleaning when water is 020 for instance.
The magic 000 is mostly the confidence boosters in salesmen's pitches of old, to prevent any comebacks and money lost to them as they would argue water quality.
Some on here also swear of the magic 000 and never let their water go above, well that is their choice to throw good money into expensive RO's or bags n bags of resin. However a bad technique even using 000 can leave spots.
Thats very true, and even though my opinion has been dismissed by a couple on here. My point is if you exercise best practice, and try to stay at 0 then technically speaking, you are doing your best to use the best quality water possible. That's what i do and if some on here want to clean at 5 or 25 ppm that's upto them, it doesn't matter to me.
Now the other subject is hydrophilic and hydrophobic glass. The latter is more likely to spot if you do get any.
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There are some factors which come into play, ie condition of the seals etc, but this is taken under consideration of how good the window cleaner is and also the technique in which he or she cleans and to that point you should be able to continue cleaning when water is 020 for instance.
The magic 000 is mostly the confidence boosters in salesmen's pitches of old, to prevent any comebacks and money lost to them as they would argue water quality.
Some on here also swear of the magic 000 and never let their water go above, well that is their choice to throw good money into expensive RO's or bags n bags of resin. However a bad technique even using 000 can leave spots.
Thats very true, and even though my opinion has been dismissed by a couple on here. My point is if you exercise best practice, and try to stay at 0 then technically speaking, you are doing your best to use the best quality water possible. That's what i do and if some on here want to clean at 5 or 25 ppm that's upto them, it doesn't matter to me.
Now the other subject is hydrophilic and hydrophobic glass. The latter is more likely to spot if you do get any.
Obviously you guys don't fully understand the concept of using filtered water, unfiltered tap water spots because of the dissolved impurities in the water that show on the glass when the water has dried, once you get this level down to the point where they cant be seen should that be 006 or whatever then nothing can change that.
The water doesn't clean any better or cause less problems with things like dodgy seals hydrophobic glass just because you filtered it to 000.
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There are some factors which come into play, ie condition of the seals etc, but this is taken under consideration of how good the window cleaner is and also the technique in which he or she cleans and to that point you should be able to continue cleaning when water is 020 for instance.
The magic 000 is mostly the confidence boosters in salesmen's pitches of old, to prevent any comebacks and money lost to them as they would argue water quality.
Some on here also swear of the magic 000 and never let their water go above, well that is their choice to throw good money into expensive RO's or bags n bags of resin. However a bad technique even using 000 can leave spots.
Thats very true, and even though my opinion has been dismissed by a couple on here. My point is if you exercise best practice, and try to stay at 0 then technically speaking, you are doing your best to use the best quality water possible. That's what i do and if some on here want to clean at 5 or 25 ppm that's upto them, it doesn't matter to me.
Now the other subject is hydrophilic and hydrophobic glass. The latter is more likely to spot if you do get any.
Obviously you guys don't understand the concept of using filtered water, unfiltered tap water spots because of the dissolved
impurities in the water that show on the glass when the water has dried, once you get this level down to the point where they
cant be seen should that be 006 or whatever then nothing can change that.
The water doesn't clean any better or cause less problems with things like dodgy seals hydrophobic glass just because you filtered it to 000.
Obviously we dont understand. Us silly mortals. We know not the mythical proerties of the di unit, and i am in awe of your immence superiority of the 006 tds and above club.
Blimey...lol
::)roll ::)roll
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BUT!what if your cleaning with say 015 water and it rains on the windows just after you ve cleaned them? and the rain water is 007 tds then you ve got 022 on the glass where as if your using 000 you ve only got 007 on the glass.less chance of spotting maybe?
its better to keep it at 000 IMO.
some of you are real skinflints when it comes to spending money on your business.keeping your water at 000 is not expensive. ;D
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There are some factors which come into play, ie condition of the seals etc, but this is taken under consideration of how good the window cleaner is and also the technique in which he or she cleans and to that point you should be able to continue cleaning when water is 020 for instance.
The magic 000 is mostly the confidence boosters in salesmen's pitches of old, to prevent any comebacks and money lost to them as they would argue water quality.
Some on here also swear of the magic 000 and never let their water go above, well that is their choice to throw good money into expensive RO's or bags n bags of resin. However a bad technique even using 000 can leave spots.
Thats very true, and even though my opinion has been dismissed by a couple on here. My point is if you exercise best practice, and try to stay at 0 then technically speaking, you are doing your best to use the best quality water possible. That's what i do and if some on here want to clean at 5 or 25 ppm that's upto them, it doesn't matter to me.
Now the other subject is hydrophilic and hydrophobic glass. The latter is more likely to spot if you do get any.
Obviously you guys don't fully understand the concept of using filtered water, unfiltered tap water spots because of the dissolved impurities in the water that show on the glass when the water has dried, once you get this level down to the point where they cant be seen should that be 006 or whatever then nothing can change that.
The water doesn't clean any better or cause less problems with things like dodgy seals hydrophobic glass just because you filtered it to 000.
😭😭😭😭😭
What its not a magic liquid that this strange blue canister turns it into. Youve shattered my world of understanding
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BUT!what if your cleaning with say 015 water and it rains on the windows just after you ve cleaned them? and the rain water is 007 tds then you ve got 022 on the glass where as if your using 000 you ve only got 007 on the glass.less chance of spotting maybe?
its better to keep it at 000 IMO.
some of you are real skinflints when it comes to spending money on your business.keeping your water at 000 is not expensive. ;D
Dont be silly Dazmond, that would mean after two rain showers you would have a tds of 37.
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Its amazing how many times we laugh or complain at how people/clients dont readily accept wfp or dont give it a try.
Yet according to this thread and others, most on here are too gullible to believe sales pitches of the amazing magical 000 to give the best finish. Or too scared to try and allow their tds to creep up and find out for themselves. If i gave you two panels of glass that have been cleaned, i bet you couldnt tell which one has been cleaned with 000tds or which one has been cleaned by 010 tds for instance.
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How can you tell you aren't leaving spots on the windows?
Windows that look perfect from the outside may be full of spots when seen from inside in the early morning sunshine. Our lounge window is a perfect example. Hydrophobic glass and sunshine at just the right angle highlight even the slightest imperfection.
My resin gets changed when the tds rises to 1ppm.
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and the rain water is 007 tds then you ve got 022 on the glass where as if your using 000 you ve only got 007 on the glass
That's For Your Eyes Only though.
Live and Let Die, I say.
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How can you tell you aren't leaving spots on the windows?
Windows that look perfect from the outside may be full of spots when seen from inside in the early morning sunshine. Our lounge window is a perfect example. Hydrophobic glass and sunshine at just the right angle highlight even the slightest imperfection.
My resin gets changed when the tds rises to 1ppm.
How do i know, because around 90 per cent of my client base have been with me since i began window cleaning and they would say. For instance when i first switched over and was perfecting my technique, it was based on their feedback that enabled me to do so. Hence now 2 yrs in, what you are suggesting was to happen, i would know.
Or my 10 percent of what i call newish clients that ive gained along the way or recently gained, they would be quick to complain. Especially within first couple of months or so of using me. As of yet, i havent had any.
However this does not rule out that it doesnt happen. Perhaps they simply dont care or its not enough to worry about. Which if this is the case, then it also highlights that its not enough to worry about or stress about. Unless operators thenselves are OCD on the matter
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Even if it's reading 000 and you change it my opinion is you can see the difffernce when you start cleaning again,the same can be said for PPB over PPM just my opinion of course before wolf gang van hitler comes on here. Some should try ROing then standard resin and then polishing with Nuclear resin the difference can be seen when working,Nuclear resin is 300 notes a sack that's the draw back.i really can't see why anyone would compromise with the water quality it's what this method of cleaning is all about pure water not 001 or 010.
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i really can't see why anyone would compromise with the water quality it's what this method of cleaning is all about pure water not 001 or 010.
Unless it costs 300 notes a sack?
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Yerbut nobut yerbut you dont pay any tax then. It's good to spend.
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Even if it's reading 000 and you change it my opinion is you can see the difffernce when you start cleaning again,the same can be said for PPB over PPM just my opinion of course before wolf gang van hitler comes on here. Some should try ROing then standard resin and then polishing with Nuclear resin the difference can be seen when working,Nuclear resin is 300 notes a sack that's the draw back.i really can't see why anyone would compromise with the water quality it's what this method of cleaning is all about pure water not 001 or 010.
O.K. I must admit I misread what Marc and Nathan where saying so misjudged them, but I cant see anything but nonsense on
this one, it must be a wind up.
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How can you tell you aren't leaving spots on the windows?
Windows that look perfect from the outside may be full of spots when seen from inside in the early morning sunshine. Our lounge window is a perfect example. Hydrophobic glass and sunshine at just the right angle highlight even the slightest imperfection.
My resin gets changed when the tds rises to 1ppm.
How do i know, because around 90 per cent of my client base have been with me since i began window cleaning and they would say. For instance when i first switched over and was perfecting my technique, it was based on their feedback that enabled me to do so. Hence now 2 yrs in, what you are suggesting was to happen, i would know.
Or my 10 percent of what i call newish clients that ive gained along the way or recently gained, they would be quick to complain. Especially within first couple of months or so of using me. As of yet, i havent had any.
However this does not rule out that it doesnt happen. Perhaps they simply dont care or its not enough to worry about. Which if this is the case, then it also highlights that its not enough to worry about or stress about. Unless operators thenselves are OCD on the matter
Sorry. This post of mine was a general response and wasn't personally directed at you or anyone else replying to this thread. I didn't link the post in with one's opinion.
I was merely pointing out that what you can see from the outside isn't always what can be seen from the inside.
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