Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: chris turner on February 07, 2017, 06:18:09 pm
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Why did the Lee Pryor thread get locked?
I just got me biscuits out and was about to settle down for an evening of fun and games :'(
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Amounts to unpaid and unauthorised advertising for commercial gain perhaps ?
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No different if you pop a note to say I've something for sale
I personally think locking the thread is a bit unfair and unreasonable
And I never comment over locked threads or banter over difference of opinions
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No different if you pop a note to say I've something for sale
I personally think locking the thread is a bit unfair and unreasonable
And I never comment over locked threads or banter over difference of opinions
I'm only guessing, I could be completely wrong.....................and if it were the case I'm not even passing judgement and saying whether it is right or wrong. Can you lock a post yourself ?
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The owner of the thread can lock it also. If admin does, they normally put a thread explaining why, dont they?
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The owner of the thread can lock it also. If admin does, they normally put a thread explaining why, dont they?
I doubt Lee would lock it. He loves the attention, positive or negative.
Window cleaning ads on TV, what has the world come to.
Next we"ll be seeing Lee Pryor's fleshlights advertised on pornhub.
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Can’t see it working to be honest. Very very costly mistake.
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So where did those McVities go?
;D
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the mods are in full flow tonight another one locked ;D
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So where did those McVities go?
;D
............the fat bloke in the sunglasses ate em all :D
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Thats why he’s fat. I figured was much.
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The owner of the thread can lock it also. If admin does, they normally put a thread explaining why, dont they?
I doubt Lee would lock it. He loves the attention, positive or negative.
Window cleaning ads on TV, what has the world come to.
Next we"ll be seeing Lee Pryor's fleshlights advertised on pornhub.
I locked it myself because of posts like this.
I have made it known whats on offer and why. That was all I wanted to do. As the thread was starting to decline in the usual way I decided to lock it.
As for costly mistakes, you dont know until you try. I am happy to loose the budget I have set in order to give it a go.
If and when leads become availiable I will make it known.
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Can’t see it working to be honest. Very very costly mistake.
Agreed.
Who watches ITV during the day? (Or ever)
Maybe the families of those lot on Jeremy Kyle?
Screw paying Mr Pryor £15 for any of those leads.
"Ow much to clean me windas?, I seen ur ad the telly the other day innit".
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Are you that desperate for new customers?
Id have thought you wouldnt need many more from the way you mentioned how many are calling up each day? Im guessing has dried up.
I still think you would have been best off buying fully established rounds and growing around them via canvassing the existing and surrounding roads. I did this recently bought a grand of work and turned it into just under 3 grand by the next clean date from hitting the surrounding doors.
Why cover such a large area for domestic? Surely closer to home would be much easier to maintain, covering the whole of the se for domestic with only 10/12 rounds seems pointless? Not knocking it at all as your making it work, just id have done it different if was me to keep it all close to home.
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Are you that desperate for new customers?
Id have thought you wouldnt need many more from the way you mentioned how many are calling up each day? Im guessing has dried up.
I still think you would have been best off buying fully established rounds and growing around them via canvassing the existing and surrounding roads. I did this recently bought a grand of work and turned it into just under 3 grand by the next clean date from hitting the surrounding doors.
Why cover such a large area for domestic? Surely closer to home would be much easier to maintain, covering the whole of the se for domestic with only 10/12 rounds seems pointless? Not knocking it at all as your making it work, just id have done it different if was me to keep it all close to home.
These kinds of post really make me smile.
I am simply open to trying new things.
I dont really think I need to justify why we do what we do or the way we do it. Really it boils down to numbers. We have a couple more vans to put on the road this year and I want to try something new. If it doenst work we will continue to do our leaflet drops in the sort of numbers we did last year. Bottom line is we now turnover £50k a month every month, thats double over this time last year so no I am not desperate in any way. I plan to have the same increase this year to take us to 70-80k a month. You need a huge area in order to generate that much business. If you want to be big you have to think big.
I never come on here and insult or criticise anyone for the business they run or way they run it. Hey I was only offering people the chance for some cheap leads.
Mick you are one of the people here that I really could not give a damn what you think.
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I was just wondering Lee, and please this is not a criticism, have you spoken to an advertising agent about your T.V. campaign? If so what was the conclusion, in relation to the radio campaign you had.
Im wondering did they suggest you might have more luck with a T.V. campaign by comparison? If so, why would that be the case?
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Good luck Lee, I hope it does well for you.
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Are you that desperate for new customers?
Id have thought you wouldnt need many more from the way you mentioned how many are calling up each day? Im guessing has dried up.
I still think you would have been best off buying fully established rounds and growing around them via canvassing the existing and surrounding roads. I did this recently bought a grand of work and turned it into just under 3 grand by the next clean date from hitting the surrounding doors.
Why cover such a large area for domestic? Surely closer to home would be much easier to maintain, covering the whole of the se for domestic with only 10/12 rounds seems pointless? Not knocking it at all as your making it work, just id have done it different if was me to keep it all close to home.
These kinds of post really make me smile.
I am simply open to trying new things.
I dont really think I need to justify why we do what we do or the way we do it. Really it boils down to numbers. We have a couple more vans to put on the road this year and I want to try something new. If it doenst work we will continue to do our leaflet drops in the sort of numbers we did last year. Bottom line is we now turnover £50k a month every month, thats double over this time last year so no I am not desperate in any way. I plan to have the same increase this year to take us to 70-80k a month. You need a huge area in order to generate that much business. If you want to be big you have to think big.
I never come on here and insult or criticise anyone for the business they run or way they run it. Hey I was only offering people the chance for some cheap leads.
Mick you are one of the people here that I really could not give a damn what you think.
Your so rude
I enjoy seeing how you progress but you can never take any criticism!
I couldnt give a damn if you turn over 50k a month or £500 a month so the need to mention pound notes i dont know. I dont care who has a bigger willy.
I simply asked a valid question to you on a forum and said how id do it different if was me by keeping it all closer to home instead of the whole south east!
I also didnt mention the leads in a negative way at all! I actually thought was a good idea selling them off to other cleaners.
Your so up your own arse you think everyone else is beneath you and cant have an opinion.
I wish you all the luck in the world as i do everyone but man chill out its just a forum.
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Lee pryor good luck with the tv campaign.
Mick Kent sounds like you do pretty well want ever you do ie grands worth of work into 3 in a month !
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Turning over £50,000 a month and you want to sell leads for a poxy £15? Shame on you.
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Why is that a problem. Here to make money not a charity!
If someone phoned me up and said I have 100 leads that came in this week I want £15 for each of them I would take their hand off! our cost per customer last year was £54.00
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Maybe you would Lee having so many vans on the road but some are not as desperate for work as you.
As a punter point of view if I contact a firm directly I would expect that firm to give me a price not someone else.
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50k a month eh,good on ya.
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50k a month eh,good on ya.
Impressive indeed but still a long way to go compared to what some of the nationals turnover per month I'm guessing.
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Why is that a problem. Here to make money not a charity!
If someone phoned me up and said I have 100 leads that came in this week I want £15 for each of them I would take their hand off! our cost per customer last year was £54.00
We'll take a look at any leads out our way.
How'd you get to £54 of cost per customer? Is this total overheads before wages? Not just marketing surely?
Just curious amigo.
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5-6 good rounds that is but I would say they are made up of lots and lots of smaller jobs within the rounds basically most work taken on,of course I don't know that but that would be my guess. Logistically it must be an nightmare.
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Can I just say that wanting to expand a business does NOT make me desperate for work! Where that idea came from I dont know. I have a goal, I am working towards it for god sake.
I have no plans to be national, or commercial! So no there isnt a long way to go.
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As usual it was a mistake to say a word on here. I thought a few of us could all benefit from what I am doing rather than just turn customers away. Silly me
I now have the exact area mapped out so will not be offering anything on this forum and the people on it. I will look up 20 or so cleaners in that area and call them directly instead.
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As usual it was a mistake to say a word on here. I thought a few of us could all benefit from what I am doing rather than just turn customers away. Silly me
I now have the exact area mapped out so will not be offering anything on this forum and the people on it. I will look up 20 or so cleaners in that area and call them directly instead.
Maybe, just maybe you could have done that without the "look at me" post and posted after what you had done by helping local cleaners.
Bye bye now.
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As usual it was a mistake to say a word on here. I thought a few of us could all benefit from what I am doing rather than just turn customers away. Silly me
I now have the exact area mapped out so will not be offering anything on this forum and the people on it. I will look up 20 or so cleaners in that area and call them directly instead.
And I'm going to turn the telly over when your advert comes on.
So there!
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As usual it was a mistake to say a word on here. I thought a few of us could all benefit from what I am doing rather than just turn customers away. Silly me
I now have the exact area mapped out so will not be offering anything on this forum and the people on it. I will look up 20 or so cleaners in that area and call them directly instead.
Don't let the door bang you on the arse on the way out. Bye hun
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Is it April 1st this goes live?
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Can I just say that wanting to expand a business does NOT make me desperate for work! Where that idea came from I dont know. I have a goal, I am working towards it for god sake.
I have no plans to be national, or commercial! So no there isnt a long way to go.
I was referring to keeping all your vans on the road and your staff fully employed. I also would have thought your million leaflet drop would have done the trick but obviously not as effective as you thought.
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Anyone hoping to build a business on leafleting is dreaming 2-3 million all you'll do is keep the bin men busy
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Anyone hoping to build a business on leafleting is dreaming 2-3 million all you'll do is keep the bin men busy
Well actually that is not correct.
Sorry.
We added over 200k to our annual turnover last year.
So that person would not be dreaming.
Look I realise that people on here would love to laugh and say see lee what you did didn't work. But the fact is it did. Fact. I don't remember ever saying I would be stoping growing anytime soon. I just like trying new things to see how results compare. You never know, I might get the same result this year for less money. Or a better result for the same money. Or it may not work. Fact is I try new things. It's fun!
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Lee hope things are going good for you and your closer to buying your ferrari and somewhere to park it,
I wouldn't even consider selling your leads, you have paid to get them so taking a loss and selling them do not even consider, some of your options are to make the areas you do not cover to areas you now do, send a worker further? maybe consider having one or two smaller more fuel efficient vans to travel?
do what jogpost has done and open up another unit so you now have a much larger area you can cover?
sub contract the work out and take a percentage from each clean? but then If I was booking a pryors window clean and some noddy the shiner or 1scrim bob turned up I wouldn't be happy
Lee maybe you should start your own FB group where you can be control of who is in it,
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Just goes to show some people are never truely happy. You know you have issues when turning over 50k a month isnt enough.
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Just goes to show some people are never truely happy. You know you have issues when turning over 50k a month isnt enough.
more like a desire to be bigger and better than the rest, not everyone is happy with just enough.
keep it going Lee your a legend IMO F the haters
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Just goes to show some people are never truely happy. You know you have issues when turning over 50k a month isnt enough.
Turnover is irrelevant, his costs might be 50k a month.
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Just goes to show some people are never truely happy. You know you have issues when turning over 50k a month isnt enough.
Turnover is irrelevant, his costs might be 50k a month.
Thats why i said turning over and not earning or take home
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Turning over £50,000 a month and you want to sell leads for a poxy £15? Shame on you.
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What!?! He should give them to you for free I suppose.
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Anyone hoping to build a business on leafleting is dreaming 2-3 million all you'll do is keep the bin men busy
That's just wrong. Not on the scale of Lee but we have in the region of 1500 customers mostly built on leafleting.
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Might be slightly off subject but i spoke to a windy the other day and he has to pay £280 a week for the van and system on a franchise rain or shine he has to pay,he's 50-50 with another bloke cleaning with him also. He's got to clean 1500 a week to earn a living hence he's had enough after a year of it,I offered him a job he seemed keen lol.
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You can only leaflet certain property's,tweed wearing people won't even look at one.
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Lee hope things are going good for you and your closer to buying your ferrari and somewhere to park it,
I wouldn't even consider selling your leads, you have paid to get them so taking a loss and selling them do not even consider, some of your options are to make the areas you do not cover to areas you now do, send a worker further? maybe consider having one or two smaller more fuel efficient vans to travel?
do what jogpost has done and open up another unit so you now have a much larger area you can cover?
sub contract the work out and take a percentage from each clean? but then If I was booking a pryors window clean and some noddy the shiner or 1scrim bob turned up I wouldn't be happy
Lee maybe you should start your own FB group where you can be control of who is in it,
Hahahahahaha I'm sure you'll be first to join.
You like everything this guy does, I think someone has a man crush :-*
Oh Lee your a legend, the master, your fleshlight satisfies me in ways I didn't think possible.
Please start your own cult and let me join, I promise to bow before you and worship everything you do. I will even clean your Ferrari daily.
Seriously mate get a grip.
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Chris
Why hate people that simply enjoy building a business and that want to be more. What exactly is your problem?
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Just goes to show some people are never truely happy. You know you have issues when turning over 50k a month isnt enough.
How do you know I am not happy. I enjoy building my business. Simple as that really. I have a goal and I am working towards it. Why is that wrong?
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Just goes to show some people are never truely happy. You know you have issues when turning over 50k a month isnt enough.
Turnover is irrelevant, his costs might be 50k a month.
No they are not.
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Best we just stick to posting about brushes and stuff as it's none of our business what others get upto lol
Lee if you want to give TV advertising a go then just do it as there was no real need to post about it now was there.
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Chris
Why hate people that simply enjoy building a business and that want to be more. What exactly is your problem?
Hate is a strong word. I don't hate anyone.
What do you mean by "be more" exactly?
You want to have more money then everyone else so you can feel better then everyone?
Go and invent a cure for cancer, then il respect you, il even buy your fleshlight.
Know one will remember you for building a window cleaning business, except scrimble maybe.
I respect people that do things that truly change the world, or self less people that genuinely help others for no reward.
I don't have time for arrogant or greedy people however.
I guess your constant need to self promote winds me up. That dude Susan is the same. Are you related?
Rarely do you contribute anything on these forums nowadays other then about you. Why is that?
Are you too above everyone else to talk about brushes?
Soupy has a large business, why have i never insulted him?
Il tell you why. For quite some time I didn't even realise soupy had a large business. Genuinely.
I thought he was just a "regular" run of the mill window cleaner like most on here.
It shows the character of the man to be able to do well in life but remain grounded, still contribute to the forum and offer advice.
So I don't hate you Lee, you've done well in life, I respect that. But you"ll never be "more" then any other guy on here. Your just a window cleaner who wants to be flashy, who believes having more money makes you more of a man. It doesn't.
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Il be honest though Lee, I generally dislike most wealthy people, so it's not just you.
Although it's more the whole "system" in general I dislike.
Why do the rich get richer whilst there's still people living in the streets, using food banks, living in squalid conditions. It's disgusting.
Why do carers work 50-60 hours a week looking after people with dementia, a mentally and physically exhausting job, get £1300 a month whilst a banker gets £10k a month.
The inequality is astounding.
Why do people need so much money? We don't, its all greed.
Everybody deserves a comfortable life, whether you work in MacDonald's or jpmorgan.
There are not enough resources in the world for everyone to be rich, so know one should be rich.
You don't need to be "rich" to lead a rich life.
Money is the root of evil and for a few to be rich, many have to suffer.
In my ideal world everyone would earn nearly the same, work the same hours and be equal, no matter what job you worked.
Want to become a doctor? Great, you get rewarded with the satisfaction your saving lives, not with vast amounts of money.
Want to become a window cleaning company director? Sure, but you only get 10k a year more then your employees. Your reward is your looking after your customers properties and providing jobs to people that need them, for only a slightly better salary.
Of course this will never happen, not in today's world.
Im not jealous of the wealthy, I'm angry that there allowed to get wealthy in the first place.
So yes it p1sses me off that you want more and more and more... Don't you have enough already?
Are you not already living comfortably? Do you really need more?
I live comfortably and i earn far less then you. I have no desire for more because I don't need more. Why makes you need more? What makes you so special? Is your job more difficult then those looking after the elderly with dementia?
We live in a completely unjust, unfair world run by greedy bankers and businessmen who care about nothing other then their own bank balance.
You want me to 1ick your @ss for aspiring to be like that?
Tell you what, draw a 50k a year salary from your business then give all the rest of your profit to charity. You will be my hero, you will be a legend in the eyes of many, you will be "more" then most.
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Il be honest though Lee, I generally dislike most wealthy people, so it's not just you.
Although it's more the whole "system" in general I dislike.
Why do the rich get richer whilst there's still people living in the streets
Why shouldn’t people get richer if they make the extra effort?
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There is no incentive at all to make a go of things and be in a position to employ others if theres no financial reward. Yes money makes the world go round. Yes, its terrible. Aren’t we shallow.
Suck it up buttercup.
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Il be honest though Lee, I generally dislike most wealthy people, so it's not just you.
Although it's more the whole "system" in general I dislike.
Why do the rich get richer whilst there's still people living in the streets, using food banks, living in squalid conditions. It's disgusting.
Why do carers work 50-60 hours a week looking after people with dementia, a mentally and physically exhausting job, get £1300 a month whilst a banker gets £10k a month.
The inequality is astounding.
Why do people need so much money? We don't, its all greed.
Everybody deserves a comfortable life, whether you work in MacDonald's or jpmorgan.
There are not enough resources in the world for everyone to be rich, so know one should be rich.
You don't need to be "rich" to lead a rich life.
Money is the root of evil and for a few to be rich, many have to suffer.
In my ideal world everyone would earn nearly the same, work the same hours and be equal, no matter what job you worked.
Want to become a doctor? Great, you get rewarded with the satisfaction your saving lives, not with vast amounts of money.
Want to become a window cleaning company director? Sure, but you only get 10k a year more then your employees. Your reward is your looking after your customers properties and providing jobs to people that need them, for only a slightly better salary.
Of course this will never happen, not in today's world.
Im not jealous of the wealthy, I'm angry that there allowed to get wealthy in the first place.
So yes it p1sses me off that you want more and more and more... Don't you have enough already?
Are you not already living comfortably? Do you really need more?
I live comfortably and i earn far less then you. I have no desire for more because I don't need more. Why makes you need more? What makes you so special? Is your job more difficult then those looking after the elderly with dementia?
We live in a completely unjust, unfair world run by greedy bankers and businessmen who care about nothing other then their own bank balance.
You want me to 1ick your @ss for aspiring to be like that?
Tell you what, draw a 50k a year salary from your business then give all the rest of your profit to charity. You will be my hero, you will be a legend in the eyes of many, you will be "more" then most.
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There is no incentive at all to make a go of things and be in a position to employ others if theres no financial reward. Yes money makes the world go round. Yes, its terrible. Aren’t we shallow.
Suck it up buttercup.
There's an extra 10k a year, does there need to be more?
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You don't the me Chris.
I grew up with nothing on a council estate. My dad died of cancer when I was 3. I have never been given a penny, I didn't go to uni. I had nothing done for me. I work bloody hard and always have, I have passion and drive so why shouldn't there be a reward for that!
You and many other small minded people on here seem to think I'm unhappy, bored, desperate, greedy, all about the money ect ect. I have a goal of the business I want and all I'm doing is working towards it. Why does that have to generate so much sh1it from people like you? Are you those things if you take on 1 more customer tomorrow? How about 10 more next week? where is the line that says that's ok for you but not me?
10K a year more than an employee? no wonder you don't want to do it. I can say its quite a lot more than that.
Its not just for money you know. In a year or so from now I wont have to work. Imagine a great paying you job that you only have to go into 1 day a week. I want freedom both in terms of money and time. Then I can spend that time and money doing the things I really want to do.
Chris I am truly sorry that me wanting to build my business to the level that I aspire to offends you and others here. I'm still going to do it anyway.
The funny thing is I have never looked down on or been rude to anyone on here for wanting to be a sole trader on their own. Yet, if I want to talk about growing bigger look what happens.
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Just goes to show some people are never truely happy. You know you have issues when turning over 50k a month isnt enough.
nick sometime your really helpful but that statement makes you a bit of a idiot
weather it growing by £1 or 50k you want to grow your business,so why is it not ok for him
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There is no incentive at all to make a go of things and be in a position to employ others if theres no financial reward. Yes money makes the world go round. Yes, its terrible. Aren’t we shallow.
Suck it up buttercup.
There's an extra 10k a year, does there need to be more?
If you risk the kind of money Lee has then yes. How much money have you risked in your business venture? If someone risks £250,000 its absolute idiocy to think that person should be rewarded financially by just an extra 10K.
It’d make more sense to keep the money and do nothing. You haven’t got a business head Chris have you.
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Inequality is astounding and it is only getting worse, true, but what has that got to do with Lee?
Lumping Lee in with Bankers is very insulting to Lee and by the way, a Banker wouldn't get out of bed for £10k a month. They create huge wealth by causing misery to millions, shorting and fixing prices, lying, insider trading. There is no end of illegal stuff they get away with. Big money will always stay with the same corrupt group and their offspring.
Lee is just very focused on his business and just isn't interested in posting about brushes or reels.
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You don't the me Chris.
I grew up with nothing on a council estate. My dad died of cancer when I was 3. I have never been given a penny, I didn't go to uni. I had nothing done for me. I work bloody hard and always have, I have passion and drive so why shouldn't there be a reward for that!
You and many other small minded people on here seem to think I'm unhappy, bored, desperate, greedy, all about the money ect ect. I have a goal of the business I want and all I'm doing is working towards it. Why does that have to generate so much sh1it from people like you? Are you those things if you take on 1 more customer tomorrow? How about 10 more next week? where is the line that says that's ok for you but not me?
10K a year more than an employee? no wonder you don't want to do it. I can say its quite a lot more than that.
Its not just for money you know. In a year or so from now I wont have to work. Imagine a great paying you job that you only have to go into 1 day a week. I want freedom both in terms of money and time. Then I can spend that time and money doing the things I really want to do.
Chris I am truly sorry that me wanting to build my business to the level that I aspire to offends you and others here. I'm still going to do it anyway.
The funny thing is I have never looked down on or been rude to anyone on here for wanting to be a sole trader on their own. Yet, if I want to talk about growing bigger look what happens.
I'm just expressing my views. Whether they bother you or not I couldn't care less.
You made your views quite clear a while ago when you pointed out how "brush" threads were below you.
I think you offended almost every window cleaner on here with that remark.
Look Lee we're clearly very different people with different outlooks on lives so will never get along.
It's probably wrong of me to vent my views in anger solely at you, so for that I will apologize.
From now on I will no longer engage in your threads or any other topic discussing your business, I give you my word.
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There is no incentive at all to make a go of things and be in a position to employ others if theres no financial reward. Yes money makes the world go round. Yes, its terrible. Aren’t we shallow.
Suck it up buttercup.
There's an extra 10k a year, does there need to be more?
If you risk the kind of money Lee has then yes. How much money have you risked in your business venture? If someone risks £250,000 its absolute idiocy to think that person should be rewarded financially by just an extra 10K.
It’d make more sense to keep the money and do nothing. You haven’t got a business head Chris have you.
Nope, I built my business from nothing, zilch. From being unemployed and skint to being self employed and earning a good wage in 5 years. I must be a complete half wit....
I nearly had enough work to start employing 2 years ago ( without having to sell any assets ), I decided against it.
Again I must be a half wit.
I won't discuss this anymore as mentioned in my last post.
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Come on guys, lets calm down a bit eh? :o
I think we can all agree we have different goals and ambitions, and no one has the right to force their opinion as the correct one. Lets try to keep the name calling and insults away from the forum.
Lee, can i just mention something please? Personally i think its great that you have really pushed yourself, not many have the gumption to go for it like you have, and i really genuinely wish you all the success in the future. However, its all a bit grandiose and preemptive, i think that's why some on this forum are a little incensed at the attitude they perceive as nothing short of nauseating.
It is not building the business, or doing national leaflet drops; spending thousands and thousands on marketing, or having big goals of being successful that's the problem here. Its the fact you have failed to consider the feelings and concerns of others on the forum, you have been; and are very confrontational with your attitude and boastful over your own aspirations, its not really required and in fact if you were a little more humble and modest in your attitude you'd go much further in being respected on here.
I only say this from my own experiences, i found the more I tried to big myself up in front of my peers, the harder fall they want to see me take. Its never good business sense to tell your competition what your doing to make yourself look grand, especially on a public forum your just not going to get respect no matter how successful you will be.
best....
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I won't discuss this anymore as mentioned in my last post.
Don’t throw your rattle out the pram chap. We’re all entitled to our opinion, you’ve voiced yours enough in the past and tried to ridicule at the same time, you’re not being a snowflake all of a sudden are you?
If you haven’t risked any money to get where you are fair play, but if someone does they will expect, quite rightly, added remuneration and reward.
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I've just read through this entire thread, read some of Lee's previous posts & have previously read his story in an Ionics magazine.
I don't understand all the criticism? ???
I think he's done great, and if I can achieve half of what he has will be well chuffed.
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As iv said twice now, for arguments sake I won't discuss Lee or his business anymore.