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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: benny d on February 02, 2017, 02:34:10 pm
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..company should be using to have a good web presence?
At the moment I don't have a web presence apart from Checkatrade.
I have had a couple of web pages in the past made by "web page designers", but neither got me any work. Was about 5 years ago for the last one.
I have no idea as to who to trust, as I need to have it done correctly this time, and to be on page one of search engines etc.
Any advise appreciated
Ben
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I replied to a thread on here today - if you search for Checkatrade threads - it was a reply to that. Someone on there recommended a web design company that uses Wordpress. I only replied to that because I'm thinking of switching.....there really are a load of sharks around so a recommend on here is a good thing.
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I was told that Wordpress is a load of crap used by amateurs who don't know any better, it is wide open to been hacked and will at some point be hammered by Google algorithms
Perhaps I was told wrong :P
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Ah right, I always thought that Wordpress was used by a massive number of companies around the World and had top notch security (because of its popularity).......I may be wrong on that though...... ???
I think a lot of web designers use it, but it's working out if they are any good - the one recommended on here sounds promising.
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What ever I say is second hand info but I was told Wordpress is very popular because it's free and easy to use, so there are many people using it to create thier own websites (so they have total control).
but how many professionals web design companies use it? This is a question I don't know the answer to but it would be interesting to know the answer
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I'm just half way through building my website, and it's a very easy platform to use. I'm also told its one of the easiest with regards to SEO, although I have not got that far yet.
There are also some big brands that use Wordpress, like eBay, Sony, MTV News, so it can't be that bad.
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What ever I say is second hand info but I was told Wordpress is very popular because it's free and easy to use, so there are many people using it to create thier own websites (so they have total control).
but how many professionals web design companies use it? This is a question I don't know the answer to but it would be interesting to know the answer
It's not relevant how many web design companies use it as some might prefer, or are more used to coding their own site.
I think Wordpress is so popular because of its flexibility. You can get an awesome website for not a lot of money. The premium or paid for themes are say $30 to $80 and some come preinstalled with extra bundled plugins.
For someone who wants to manage their own content it's reasonably easy and there are loads of tutorials on YouTube. As well as premium plugins there are zillions of free ones including contact forms, caching to enhance page speed, galleries and sliders etc. Also if you use a blog or make an article page you can allow a comments section.
And quite importantly Google ''why Google likes Wordpress''
http://www.emagine.com/blog/web-content-management-systems/why-google-loves-wordpress-websites/
https://webtegrity.com/our-blog/web-design-tips/use-wordpress-business-website/
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I thought it was quite well regarded generally....but definitely not free! ;D
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What ever I say is second hand info but I was told Wordpress is very popular because it's free and easy to use, so there are many people using it to create thier own websites (so they have total control).
but how many professionals web design companies use it? This is a question I don't know the answer to but it would be interesting to know the answer
Lets be honest mike I am no fan off wordpress as it is a speghetti coded and a function based sytem,
there is a big difrence between a website developer and a wordpress administrator who calls himself a website developer
The all system from its base structure does not follow profestional codeing practices and evenmore insane the mojarity of its
pluging are poorly coded. Sorry to you word press fans out there but when google kicks in its mobile first algorithm if you site is not running at
1 second and under page speeds your will start to fall.
I could go on for ever why under the hood I think wordpress sucks but woulld mean me sitting all day posting.
The above is based on 30 years of programing experiance
Mark
www.kireth.com
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Mark/John,
You have a link to a website for web design, but you appear to be unable to spell correctly. How can anyone find your advice credible? Maybe WordPress is putting pressure on your business?
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Mark/John,
You have a link to a website for web design, but you appear to be unable to spell correctly. How can anyone find your advice credible? Maybe WordPress is putting pressure on your business?
Hi Have over 300 carpet cleaning websites spelt correctly and on front page of google and over 900 happy clients so must be doing something right.
To finish off this is quote from one of my much respected peers who as penned several books on programming.
What WordPress does is make people think they know what they are doing when they don’t.
It’s too easy to create something and the power you feel from being able to do things you don’t really understand convinces you you actually know what you’re doing.
So you get people with the ability to do things on the web that have no idea if what they are doing is right or wrong. And they start doing very dangerous things. They set up insecure sites. They write terrible code. They get hacked. And then to top it off they start selling their services!”
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Posting on a forum on the run throws up spelling mistakes that's why proof reading and spell check were invented.
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Mark/John,
You can't even be bothered to spell-check your posts and you claim to have over 300 carpet cleaning websites? And what coverage do these websites have if there are only around 100 towns and cities? And it's very easy to get on page 1!!
You sound like an uneducated person/spammer and would be dangerous to employ as a web designer.........God forbid you help anyone on here.
Laters.
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Posting on a forum on the run throws up spelling mistakes that's why proof reading and spell check were invented.
When you are advertising a service that requires correct spelling and good grammar, I would expect better.
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Not so good with your own website....put http://www.kireth.com/ into Google page speed and see the problems.
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Not so good with your own website....put http://www.kireth.com/ into Google page speed and see the problems.
Use the correct tools Shows your ingnorance
https://tools.pingdom.com/#!/bnYqdE/http://www.kireth.com/
Load time 756ms
Faster than 93 % all tested website
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Oh my God, are you still pretending to be a web designer?
The proper tool would be:
https://developers.google.com/speed/ (https://developers.google.com/speed/)
You need to troll elsewhere.
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Wordpress maybe flawed I don't know bit if all you want to achieve is a decent looking site and get on the first page for a few cleaning keywords then it's ideal. Let's face it achieve that in our industry isn't that difficult. Obviously in other industrys it may be worth spending thousands on custom sites.
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Call mark a troll is a bit harsh ;)
He's been a member since 2005 and has 90 post, he has built websites for lots of CIU members and not seen any of them complain, I think most of them are on the first page of Google .
I'm biased because I know him personally I've seen his set up & he does have a successful web design company.
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I wouldn't mind if he could write coherent English....but he seems incapable. And claiming to get websites on page 1 is laughable as it's so easy!! And his own website for his website business is ranked badly by Google (is he going to argue that they are wrong?).
I think he has been building average websites for people in an easy industry and getting average results.....poor form.
Plenty of people have been fobbed off with poor quality like this over the years.....check his site in the link I've posted and ask yourself if he really knows anything that can't be learnt in an hour on t'internet.
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I've looked at kireth sites.
Not being funny as nice as they look most of the carpet sites look the same and use the same images.
Hardly groundbreaking stuff. Not that it needs to be for carpet cleaning but wordpress would do just as good a job at duplicating a site making a few alterations and padding it off as a custom site.
http://www.eastyorkshireclean.co.uk
http://www.carpetcleanerssolihull.co.uk
http://www.clarkscarpetcleaners.co.uk
http://www.carpetcleanersdarlington.co.uk
Spot the difference?
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Jesus, I'm definitely in the wrong job!!
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I wouldn't mind if he could write coherent English....but he seems incapable. And claiming to get websites on page 1 is laughable as it's so easy!! And his own website for his website business is ranked badly by Google (is he going to argue that they are wrong?).
I think he has been building average websites for people in an easy industry and getting average results.....poor form.
Plenty of people have been fobbed off with poor quality like this over the years.....check his site in the link I've posted and ask yourself if he really knows anything that can't be learnt in an hour on t'internet.
And claiming to get websites on page 1 is laughable ???
Just a few we have built please feel free to google them to see if I am telling the truth
Stockton Front Page Google
http://www.clarkscarpetcleaners.co.uk/
CARPET CLEANERS WINDSOR Front Page Google
http://www.carpetcleanerswindsor.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Hull Front Page Google
gardenvillagecarpetcleaners.co.uk/
www.carpetcleaners-hull.co.uk/
henryhalliday.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Bridlighton Front Page Google
http://www.carpetcleanersbridlington.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Glosop Front Page Google
http://carpetcleaners-glossop.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Morcambe Front Page Google
http://www.carpetcleanersmorecambe.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Peterborough Front Page Google
www.peterborough-carpetcleaners.co.uk
Carpet Cleaners Syton Front Page Google
http://www.cleaningservices-syston.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Aberdare Front Page Google
http://www.aberdarecarpetcleaning.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Horsham Front Page Google
http://www.carpetcleaners-horsham.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Litchfield Front Page Google
http://www.carpetcleanerslichfield.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Sunderland Front Page Google
http://www.carpetcleaners-sunderland.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Sutton Coldfield Front Page Google
http://www.carpetcleaner-sutton-coldfield.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Liester
http://leicester-carpetcleaners.co.uk/ Front Page Google
Carpet Cleaners Barnsley Front Page of Google
http://www.carpetcleaners-barnsley.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Stevenage Front Page Google
http://www.carpetcleaners-stevenage.co.uk/
http://www.carpetcleanersstevenage.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Sherborne Front Page Google
http://carpetcleanerssherborne.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Pontypridd Front Page of Google
http://carpetcleaners-pontypridd.co.uk/
Carpet Cleaners Coventry Front Page of google
http://kleenrite.co.uk/
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I've looked at kireth sites.
Not being funny as nice as they look most of the carpet sites look the same and use the same images.
Hardly groundbreaking stuff. Not that it needs to be for carpet cleaning but wordpress would do just as good a job at duplicating a site making a few alterations and padding it off as a custom site.
http://www.eastyorkshireclean.co.uk
http://www.carpetcleanerssolihull.co.uk
http://www.clarkscarpetcleaners.co.uk
http://www.carpetcleanersdarlington.co.uk
Spot the difference?
Bottom Line these Sites are £100 + £10 per month hosting they all covert and put money in the pockets of carpet cleaners
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These are just bog standard template sites that would chart on page 1 after a couple of months with no input. You are a stain on web design and clearly have no skills whatsoever. I pity anyone who pays you for this distinctly average service. You are preying on people with no real knowledge of web design..... :o
Try your site on https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ (https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/) and try to tell people you build good websites. Your sites are all virtually identical......it's so poor that it is actually offensive.
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These are just bog standard template sites that would chart on page 1 after a couple of months with no input. You are a stain on web design and clearly have no skills whatsoever. I pity anyone who pays you for this distinctly average service. You are preying on people with no real knowledge of web design..... :o
Try your site on https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ (https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/) and try to tell people you build good websites. Your sites are all virtually identical......it's so poor that it is actually offensive.
It's a bit rich coming from someone who's web site looks like it was built by a two year old don't you think? ;D
http://www.conwyovencleaning.co.uk
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It's built using Google Sites - and yes, I have severe limitations - which is why I'm interested in Wordpress. It doesn't alter the fact that Mark/John is charging people for putting up template sites that could be made in 2 minutes. And he is calling himself a web designer when he can't even write a coherent sentence ;D
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It's built using Google Sites - and yes, I have severe limitations - which is why I'm interested in Wordpress. It doesn't alter the fact that Mark/John is charging people for putting up template sites that could be made in 2 minutes. And he is calling himself a web designer when he can't even write a coherent sentence ;D
In my experience having employed quite a few different web designers over the years, it seems to me that everyone has different qualities, strengths or weaknesses when it comes to creative page layout, seo, coding and perhaps dealing with function errors.
The first web designer I employed is probably unmatched at making visually stunning and exquisite web sites but lacked any knowledge whatsoever in seo. Another was superb at seo but didn't have the imagination for attractive page layout. Another was good at Wordpress but yet again I was never happy with the end result.
All people are different and there will be few people who are good at every aspect of web design.
Nowadays I get someone to look after the maintenance of my sites and after learning Wordpress over the last 6 years, I do all the layout and seo because I dont feel that I can leave it up to someone else to do but that's just me. Also I've probably spent at least 250 hours over the years and it would have cost me a fortune to employ someone.
If someone is making reasonably good web sites that are converting, ranking very well despite them being templates, there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever especially for £100!
My opinion is that if you want something special, you have to go to someone who's speciality it is and is prepared to spend a good length of time doing it, and your pockets are deep for the final bill. It can take quite some time to make a visually good looking landing page, preparing the wording (some people employ writers), checking the word count, keyword density, navigation links, picture sourcing sizing artwork, paragraph spacing, checking layout on devices , dealing with errors etc etc.
If you have severe limitations yourself and not much experience, it's not quite cricket to come on here and antagonise people who are doing a perfectly good job I recon.
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Actually, if someone is advertising on this forum to be a website expert and is clearly showing a lack of professional skill then they need to be called to account.
This chap is showing a great deal of skill in putting up generic, template websites for customers, which suggests a minimal knowledge of web design. And that he seems to be semi-literate is merely a side issue.
I am happy to learn more about Wordpress, and run things myself......but this guy is clearly not a web designer. Please understand that this guy has no more coding knowledge than anyone reading this. His websites are just basic templates and are not worth buying . It is SCAM level nonsense.
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Mike the problem you've got is that most people who are following this topic have looked at your website which has been described as been Done by a 2 year old and you admit has severe limitations and they have looked at marks template websites that he does for £100 (and he gets them on the first page of Google)
You can slag him off all you want but at the moment he is laughing his tits off at you. Mark is not a paid member of CIU he is just a regular member as such he is not allowed to advertise his services....... but look at this topic!!! you could not have done him a bigger favour, he has posted his prices, he has posted a massive list of his websites for members to look at. Under normal circumstances this would not have been allowed but he is just responding to members.
Your criticism of him is well over the top but if we are honest the people reading this topic couldn't care less about your opinion, shall I tell you what they are thinking....... " what!! I can get a website like the ones listed for £100 + £10 a month!!!!...... What that guys phone number?" Do you think they care it's a template and another website in another town looks similar?. they know it's a template and don't care
You think you are having a go at Mark but really you are his best mate, people are not daft you can keep slagging him off but it will do zero harm to his reputation and will just get more people giving him business
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Benny
I have used wordpress for years and it works great. I would not pay someone else to build a website as you have designers and seo guys. you need to know the difference many designers might be great at design but dont know how pages work together.
Pages that are linked together are called silos and give you a much broader and less watered down site.
Regards hacking of wordpress I had a few in early days but soon learnt that you must updating every-time a new version comes out. which is really easy as it does it for you all you need do it hit a button.
learn how to do this yourself and you will save loads of money and be better for it.
if you dont want to then use sites like get a free lancer. great value for money and much cheaper that local UK guys. these guys really know what they are doing. again you will need first a great looking site that works well on mobile as well as PC and tablet, then you need a guy for the seo side. These site are like checkatrader in that a person rep in on the line. BTW always set up a account & password on your server or web provider. that you can delete after the work is done and that goes for UK base guys as well.
If your on trustatrader and local you will get a top seo slot as both are trusted links and have more value that normal ones. so dont worry to much about seo position, just be patience as regards seo as google will spider your site quickly but only indexes once every 3 months.
Good luck
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Wow I opened up a hornets nest!
Thanks for all the interesting reading.
I see one post and think i will try him, then someone else slags off that person, and say this person is good, then that one gets lynched etc etc.
But all this argument has just lead back to the start for me. Who do I go to for a good web site? Still so confused. :(
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I use wordpress since 2009 and it's great for ranking. As for design options, I don't really care to much.
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Tibi
I use a theme that is like windows tablet OS whats interesting is that great for all devices and scales great for mobile. I think its a big issue for business on the web to have a site that looks good on all devices. I see a lots of text based designed sites that just dont scale well on mobile.
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Actually, if someone is advertising on this forum to be a website expert and is clearly showing a lack of professional skill then they need to be called to account.
This chap is showing a great deal of skill in putting up generic, template websites for customers, which suggests a minimal knowledge of web design. And that he seems to be semi-literate is merely a side issue.
I am happy to learn more about Wordpress, and run things myself......but this guy is clearly not a web designer. Please understand that this guy has no more coding knowledge than anyone reading this. His websites are just basic templates and are not worth buying . It is SCAM level nonsense.
Hi, I have a degree in computer programming from Hull University and also an HND in Electronic Engineering...... does this not qualify me as a programmer???
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I enjoy playing with wordpress, so i choose to build my own for that reason and also because i dont find it too hard to rank for cleaning keywords. If i did i would have no hesitation in paying someone as i am sure wordpress isnt the best for coding but i am not that knowledgable, whats great about it is it does the job without having to know that much.
Like John has said his sites are cheap and do the job so i can understand why he uses a simple template design now.
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I enjoy playing with wordpress, so i choose to build my own for that reason and also because i dont find it too hard to rank for cleaning keywords. If i did i would have no hesitation in paying someone as i am sure wordpress isnt the best for coding but i am not that knowledgable, whats great about it is it does the job without having to know that much.
Like John has said his sites are cheap and do the job so i can understand why he uses a simple template design now.
The system I have designed is the system I use for building bigger interactive sites, its is based around my own application framework and follows a mvc coding pattern. The content creation elements are again based on my own modular framework and is object based. which allows me to quickly create sites. the front and frame work is Uikit 3 which is the most efficient CSS / java script front end available.
Although in essence the system is a CMS at the point of creation all the site are deployed as static Html Sites.
So have no overhead of a php engine or database this makes them extremely fast and as secure.
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john
do you solo your pages and how many would you say is good for keyword theme. also how do you go about relating keywords?
Respects
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Hi Guys
I use Wordpress and find them very good and easy to use provided you follow a tutorial.
I don't know why so many of these Website threads quickly descend into 'I've got a bigger one than you', we are after all trying to achieve the same thing which is more sales.
Cheers
Doug
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john
do you solo your pages and how many would you say is good for keyword theme. also how do you go about relating keywords?
Respects
Yes on smaller sites we tend to group under cleaning services
on larger sites with more diverse services we group appropriate
services together.
Re keyword density Title H1 and 4 x 5 times in the text is sufficient
Also We use Schema Mark Up Which Seems to be slightly reducing the need for
keyword density.
With Cross linking services on Site Pages although google says you should do this
with in the body of your pages We so a slight negative impact on this. So only link
all services from front page and just leave the menu structure linking on other pages.
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Hi, I have a degree in computer programming from Hull University and also an HND in Electronic Engineering...... does this not qualify me as a programmer???
I suppose you had to do something whilst being banned for cheating at snooker#!!! :o :o