Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jon_Phelps on January 31, 2017, 07:28:27 pm
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I looked into buying a 350 lay flat tank frame from Grippa tank before Christmas only to find they have put up their prices.
They are asking £555.61p including the vat but excluding delivery for the GrippaPRO welded tank frame. well I've just found where they are made and have ordered the exact same thing for £398.00 including the vat and delivery! its the same frame!
i called and spoke to the sales to confirm and have ordered one. 2 week lead time just like Grippatank.........hmm suspicious.
heres the link should anyone else want to order one. http://tektankslimited.com/tank-cages-345-c.asp
you're welcome ;D
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That doesn’t look anything like my Grippa frame and tank.
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i take it its not listed on their site as the frames your link goes to are not the same
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Check the pic on this link then tell me its not the same tank frame ::)roll
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/grippapro-250-upright-tank-frame?___SID=U
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well i thought he meant the crash tested ones ::)roll
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I think I would rather go for a PF s/s frame myself
http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/water-tanks/cages.html
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Or just get a local fabricator to knock one up the spec you want.
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definitely the same frame as smurf's link.
wanted this frame over the PF one due to the bolt-on style add ons
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I think I would rather go for a PF s/s frame myself
http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/water-tanks/cages.html
yep thats the same one ive just bought(500L)spruce.next day delivery too.no 2 week wait!they also threw in all bolts and spreader plates for fitting too.
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latest development.
i got a phone call from tek-tanks saying the lead time will be 3 weeks and that i might be better ordering from their supplier Grippatank (still unsure of what to believe here) but they said they would refund me and i would need do place the order with them.
i interrupted and said i was happy waiting and under no circumstances issue a refund. I don't need the frame urgently and I'm waiting on other bits and pieces to complete my van refit anyway.
just checked their website again they've increased the prices in line with Grippa. might have unintentionally ruffled a few feathers here
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Oh dear...who is telling porkies I wonder? ;D
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latest development.
i got a phone call from tek-tanks saying the lead time will be 3 weeks and that i might be better ordering from their supplier Grippatank (still unsure of what to believe here) but they said they would refund me and i would need do place the order with them.
i interrupted and said i was happy waiting and under no circumstances issue a refund. I don't need the frame urgently and I'm waiting on other bits and pieces to complete my van refit anyway.
just checked their website again they've increased the prices in line with Grippa. might have unintentionally ruffled a few feathers here
Shame it wasnt grippa tank lowering their price to match tho isnt it!
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latest development.
i got a phone call from tek-tanks saying the lead time will be 3 weeks and that i might be better ordering from their supplier Grippatank (still unsure of what to believe here) but they said they would refund me and i would need do place the order with them.
i interrupted and said i was happy waiting and under no circumstances issue a refund. I don't need the frame urgently and I'm waiting on other bits and pieces to complete my van refit anyway.
just checked their website again they've increased the prices in line with Grippa. might have unintentionally ruffled a few feathers here
Its happens regularly in industry.
The only way you can start a business is to advertise, promote, sell and service your product directly to the enduser. If you do a good job, have a quality product which is good value for money and in demand, then you could well get noticed by a 'wholesaler' who has the potential to sell more product than you can as a small enterprise.
So they screw you for a quantity discount and you kind of end up with all your eggs in one basket. Then the wholesaler starts to put pressure on you as the manufacturer for a bigger discount. So the manufacturer decides that he will try to sell a little of his product to his old customers to regain a bit of profitability by having his feet on both sides of the proverbial fence.
The wholesaler finds out and threatens to cancel the agreement he has with you.
This is an old Supermarket trick. Window cleaners have even had it done to them by the supermarkets. They give so much work that your other customers get pushed into the background. Once they believe you exclusively work for them, then you get called into a cost cutting exercise meeting. You can't afford to do the work but you can't afford not to do it.
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Take a tank to any metal fabricator/welder ..... They will built you a frame.
I bought my tank and frame together second hand, I had a small shelf welded on the end, when I showed him prices of tank frames he nearly fell over.....
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latest development.
i got a phone call from tek-tanks saying the lead time will be 3 weeks and that i might be better ordering from their supplier Grippatank (still unsure of what to believe here) but they said they would refund me and i would need do place the order with them.
i interrupted and said i was happy waiting and under no circumstances issue a refund. I don't need the frame urgently and I'm waiting on other bits and pieces to complete my van refit anyway.
just checked their website again they've increased the prices in line with Grippa. might have unintentionally ruffled a few feathers here
Its happens regularly in industry.
The only way you can start a business is to advertise, promote, sell and service your product directly to the enduser. If you do a good job, have a quality product which is good value for money and in demand, then you could well get noticed by a 'wholesaler' who has the potential to sell more product than you can as a small enterprise.
So they screw you for a quantity discount and you kind of end up with all your eggs in one basket. Then the wholesaler starts to put pressure on you as the manufacturer for a bigger discount. So the manufacturer decides that he will try to sell a little of his product to his old customers to regain a bit of profitability by having his feet on both sides of the proverbial fence.
The wholesaler finds out and threatens to cancel the agreement he has with you.
This is an old Supermarket trick. Window cleaners have even had it done to them by the supermarkets. They give so much work that your other customers get pushed into the background. Once they believe you exclusively work for them, then you get called into a cost cutting exercise meeting. You can't afford to do the work but you can't afford not to do it.
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The power of greed my friends......ones get hooked on the notion of making one's fortunes and becoming blind to the reality of the trap they are being enticed by.
...........said the spider to the fly............
Lol, a bit like some operating a franchise only to be funding the franchisee themselves....... ;D
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Take a tank to any metal fabricator/welder ..... They will built you a frame.
I bought my tank and frame together second hand, I had a small shelf welded on the end, when I showed him prices of tank frames he nearly fell over.....
I've just got a quote from my local (reasonably big fabricator)for a 650 Ltr tank in a Pure Freedom copy. £150 plus £30 if I want powder coating.
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Because you have come on here moaning about grippa they have had words with this company hence the reason for price increase .some on here forget company s like grippa and gardiner s ect come on here so you need to keep some things to yourself it could have gone pear shaped for you
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Price fixing and greed springs to mind. ::)roll
If people are dumb enough to pay/put up with extortionate prices for products that can be sourced cheaper elsewhere then more fool them. Shame on you Grippa.
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Price fixing and greed springs to mind. ::)roll
If people are dumb enough to pay/put up with extortionate prices for products that can be sourced cheaper elsewhere then more fool them. Shame on you Grippa.
Yep, shame on u grippa. If you matched price with theirs you may have seen sales increase
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Would you lower your price to that of another cleaner who undercut you? How would you feel if that same undercutter was someone who you had given business to beforehand?
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So if grippa reduced its price to meet or come close to the retail price direct from the manufacturer.........would grippa's reputation suffer.....would they loose sales....would anything trully suffer other than the profit margin and at what difference??
Ie silly maths,,but say instead of £100 per unit it became £80 per unit. In wk one the old price used to sell at 1 a wk =£100. But with new price they are selling 2 a week = £160.
Sometimes less can be more....
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At the end of the day we ve all got to make money!
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I would also bet Gripper pay nowhere near what the original poster was quoted.
My bet would be the owner of Gripper als owns or has a share in this fabrication company
Tony
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GT have the frames made and then ship them out to stockist.
The problem with Tek tanks is there prices haven't been updated for years that's why the prices are massively different.
When i wanted a tank lid it was nearly double the cost compared to on the website and guess who they had to go to get it.....Yes GT.
In 2013 when i wanted the pro range i shopped around and was tempted to get a TekTank by the time i had it made it was going to cost the same as a crash tested system from Grippatank so i went back to Grippatank and ordered my system in 2014 and had it fitted.
Its just a simple case of old prices i am guessing.
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GT have the frames made and then ship them out to stockist.
The problem with Tek tanks is there prices haven't been updated for years that's why the prices are massively different.
When i wanted a tank lid it was nearly double the cost compared to on the website and guess who they had to go to get it.....Yes GT.
In 2013 when i wanted the pro range i shopped around and was tempted to get a TekTank by the time i had it made it was going to cost the same as a crash tested system from Grippatank so i went back to Grippatank and ordered my system in 2014 and had it fitted.
Its just a simple case of old prices i am guessing.
Maybe. Gripper are very active on here. I find it strange "old prices" were raised after this thread.
Tony
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So if grippa reduced its price to meet or come close to the retail price direct from the manufacturer.........would grippa's reputation suffer.....would they loose sales....would anything trully suffer other than the profit margin and at what difference??
Ie silly maths,,but say instead of £100 per unit it became £80 per unit. In wk one the old price used to sell at 1 a wk =£100. But with new price they are selling 2 a week = £160.
Sometimes less can be more....
Go out tomorrow Nath and drop all your prices by 20%- the customers will be so chuffed they'll actively promote your services and the work will come flooding in.
If I was Grippa I would be furious to say the least! Business works Two ways.
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Its obvious this was going to happen. Grippa advertise on here.
Years ago, I bought a well known piece of equipment at source from its manufacturer as they were local to me. I saved myself at least 25 % on what suppliers were selling it for, I kept it to myself though ;)
Had it have become common knowledge over the internet and they'd have had more people inquiring after the same deal it would have upset the business relationship they had with their suppliers and ultimately would have been bad for business.
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Just like there will always be customers who will pay 20 quid for a terrace house to be cleaned when they could get it done for half that or less. Grippa will always appeal to the guys with plenty of money and not much in the way of d.I.y skills or frugality.
The clever guys amongst us would aim to be grippa from a selling point with our services but the cheapskate with our purchases.
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Just like there will always be customers who will pay 20 quid for a terrace house to be cleaned when they could get it done for half that or less. Grippa will always appeal to the guys with plenty of money and not much in the way of d.I.y skills or frugality.
The clever guys amongst us would aim to be grippa from a selling point with our services but the cheapskate with our purchases.
I could build a system just as good as Grippatank using my DIY skills and having parts sourced and made for me but you forgot time. I haven't got the time to be doing all of that.
The last van i dropped off was done in 3 days including the floor.
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Prices do look steep don't they. The question begs are they actualy crash tested for that price?
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/shop-by-industry/water-tanks/grippapro-fully-welded-tank-frames
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Going by the spec on the drawing of the 500 tank frame it's made from 50mm angle iron or 2in in old money. Any half decent fabricator could knock one of them up miles cheaper than that. And all the crash test speil that frame is only as good as the weld's and any good welder's weld will be just as good as there welder can do. In a fabricator's shop with the tools they have it's a good mornings work. I used to work for a large engineering company which had a fabricator's shop. Iv had them make a large coolent tank in a day that's cut folded and welded with leak proof joints in a day.
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The frames in the link as far as I know are not crash tested and the description on the site does not seem to claim they are.
These frames hold wydale tanks they don't look or are similar in anyway to the grippamax crash tested tanks and frames.
Why grippa are putting there name to them is beyond me as the whole selling point of the grippa system is crash tested fully baffled tanks and frames.
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Prices do look steep don't they. The question begs are they actualy crash tested for that price?
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/shop-by-industry/water-tanks/grippapro-fully-welded-tank-frames
funny you should say that I asked them on here if they could prove the crash testing , then they started banging on about how unsafe straps were again I asked for there figers on this
once I pointed out that if they could prove straps were unsafe they had a duty of care as a company to publish there findings to the haulage industry people like , eddie Stobart , asda.tesgos ect ect are using straps and if grippa can prove they not up to the job there putting millions on lives on the line
they went very quite after this so I guess they were talking bull
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i'm the guy who started the thread. just wanted to let those know who were interested in buying the same frame advertised on grippa for cheaper.
i would have happily ordered from grippa but they inflated their prices after Christmas by quite some margin. so i shopped around. its quite possible they saw this thread and corrected the price with tek-tanks or equally possible tek-tanks put the order through to them at last years price causing the alarm bells to ring. either way i still get the frame at a price I'm happy to pay.
i ordered this particular frame due the bolt holes for add ons. I'm quite good at DIY so I'm planning on adding my own bolt on shelves etc, and its not permanent so if it doesn't work i'll bolt them somewhere else. plus I've ordered a power HD reel which I'm welding to the top of the frame. perhaps on some heavy duty bearings so i can swivel it to the side loading door when needed. yet to decide on this.
i also thought of making some steal brackets to fit the frame through the vans existing loading eye bolts so i don't need to drill holes through the van floor. just a thought.
jon
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If you can weld first advert I came to on eBay £110 for the steel to make a frame that size and spec. The grippa advert says it's made from British steel. British or not that will be made of mild steel lowest carbon content the more carbon content the harder to weld and high carbon steel is brittle used for tool making.