Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: slap bash on January 19, 2017, 07:02:43 am
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I have found that Vision due to colder weather not mixing properly and gathering in the base of my tank and forming a snotty layer This went through my system blocking piping and also my fan jets. It
drew my attention by a steady drop in water presser at the pole head. If anyone has this problem check for this in the botton of your tank.
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Are you adding whilst filling? By that I mean adding it straight to the flow of pure into the tank?
I find if you add it before or after filling it doesn't mix well.
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I stopped using it - makes no difference to the results on glass. My last bottle went thick so I binned it.
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I stopped using it - makes no difference to the results on glass. My last bottle went thick so I binned it.
I rarely use it either nowadays. It made me paranoid. I was always confusing the little bubbles for bits on the glass and spending more time rinsing.
Also on boiling hot summer days when the water dries very quickly I swear it was leaving slight spotting.
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I had some issues but couldn't 100% pin it down to vision. I had trails on the glass in summer like run marks and I swear it makes dodgy black seals leach even more. Several frames were going black at the bottom. Stopped using it and both symptoms went away.
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Vision problems.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1484811732_55382c15-f500-4aed-9cac-27832e813365_should-gone-specsavers1-260213.jpg)
Should've gone tae specsavers.
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Not had any issues. Don't put much in anymore. Got 2 bottles left, then ill try without for 6 months and see what happens
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Not had any issues. Don't put much in anymore. Got 2 bottles left, then ill try without for 6 months and see what happens
Have you never cleaned windows without Vision?
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Oh m8 I have had massive problems this week due to the same thing,I bought a new pump and obviously it didn't make any difference couldn't get any water etc,disconnected pipe from base of tank used a cable tie to un plug the hole and happy days away I went it was caked in crap from it. The pump was also full of gunk from it too.
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I stopped using it - makes no difference to the results on glass. My last bottle went thick so I binned it.
And me :D
Pain in the ass putting it in the tank every night too!
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I stopped using it months ago, i also found my tank was full of a snotty residue.
I also noticed it made no difference to the clean either when i stopped
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According to Kempy he’s probably still flogging it by the bucket load.
:-*
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None of them problems with HG so far ;D
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Which vision is causing the problems, the original or v2?
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According to Kempy he’s probably still flogging it by the bucket load.
:-*
still plenty of mugs about then i guess
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According to Kempy he’s probably still flogging it by the bucket load.
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surprising he not on here defending it,now if he was trying to sell it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I found it did give more slip on the glass but it has bunged up the tank outlet 2-3 times now to the point I couldn't suck water from the pump and it also buggered 2 pumps.
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Kempy's "special sauce". ;D
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Interesting. Has anyone been in touch with them about this? I'm no expert but would they not be liable if their chemical has caused damage to the equipment it's intended to be used with?
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Not fit for purpose .....
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at last the pennys dropped .I best he is on a tropical beach some where pssing him self at all the mugs that have bought it
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Like i said i did find it did give more slip on the glass but it does produce a film or scum that blocks the pipes on the system it was a nightmare trying to find the blockage initially. The same results can be found using double DI resin cans with RO water in at no higher than 3-4 PPM,I really notice the difference when the water is put through good quality resin a couple of times. I know some will say 000 is 000 but to me it seems to clean better in my mind maybe,but I can't help but see the difference when working with it.
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Not had any issues. Don't put much in anymore. Got 2 bottles left, then ill try without for 6 months and see what happens
Have you never cleaned windows without Vision?
lol YES. v1 was the best but loads of bubbles. Eco one was rubbish. Couldn't tell the difference. Now it gives a better shine, thats about all.
Just water is much better to rince
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The inside of my pump was completely coated in what looked like detergent almost oily,like I say again good slip on the glass yes but glass is not fabric if you scrub it clean it'll be clean you can only get a piece of glass so clean no matter what you use to clean it with. To me it enables you need less elbow grease in some circumstances but it does leave something that clings to surfaces,it must do to block pipes-pumps.
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I went to get some ecover dish soap out of the van recently. It looked like gloppy sick without the peas so threw it in the bin. ;D
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Gloopy sick lol,mind out people I'm about to be gloopy sick.
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Gloopy sick lol,mind out people I'm about to be gloopy sick.
Without the peas don't forget ;D
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Looks like everyone here washes their dishes in coldwater and expects it all to rinse away, no ones seen nothing in their filter bowls either..oh, hang on........
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I stopped using it - makes no difference to the results on glass. My last bottle went thick so I binned it.
Shame.
I'm sure I read some of it's posts on here.
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For some stopping using Vision is harder than stopping smoking. Thing is, just don't laugh at them. They're the sort that get mentioned in the bible, which is a lot more than some of us.
When Jesus was dying on the cross he was heard to mutter 'Forgive them for they know not what they do'. He was referring to Vision users when he said that.
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It seems to have made some of my customers windows easier to rinse..
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Why do people use this stuff ?? You spend a fortune to remove impurities then tip this stuff into your tank then wonder why you have problems . If you cannot get a good shine on the windows with just pure you need to look at your water quality, a reading of 000 is all you need to get good results . The word placebo comes to mind if you think this stuff is going to help !!!!! Waist of time and money
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It's not placebo it does give slip on the glass
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I didn't buy it to make the glass more slippery though. I bought it to make the finish shinier and there were also claims that it made white upvc cleaner, both of which proved untrue for me. So I stopped using it.
Hot pure water works best in my experience. And even that doesn't make the upvc any whiter.
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M and c windowcleaning exactly all these clames and it doesn't deliver , I totally agre 000 tds and hot water gives the best results , why do you need slip on the glass ? What does that accomplish ? Use a nano coating if that's what you want
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M and c windowcleaning exactly all these clames and it doesn't deliver , I totally agre 000 tds and hot water gives the best results , why do you need slip on the glass ? What does that accomplish ? Use a nano coating if that's what you want
Why do you need hot water?
I have used cold water for years with good results?
Each to their own
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Ive a new product to try n sell to the market for wfp users.
Its a clear liquid and thankfully non scented. From market research i was able to perceive that most wfp dont care too much for the floral smell in their tank or van.
The product can be heated as well without changing the tds level. It doesnt require heating but some users may find it requires a fraction less effort on stubborn marks, like baked on bird poop.
The aqua formation helps with the glide of the brush's filaments over the glass giving protection to the customers windows.
Theres only one problem that i have left to tackle and thats the name of the product. PURE WATER just seems, well too obvious ;D ;D
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It's not placebo it does give slip on the glass
So does chip fat.
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I'm not joking I reckon the stuff that forms a film looks a lot like KYJelly or lube,it feels very like it on the fingers lol
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I'm not joking I reckon the stuff that forms a film looks a lot like KYJelly or lube,it feels very like it on the fingers lol
Ill take you word for it lol.
So does PTFE in car additives.
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If I had to guess what was in it I'd say lube
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M and c windowcleaning exactly all these clames and it doesn't deliver , I totally agre 000 tds and hot water gives the best results , why do you need slip on the glass ? What does that accomplish ? Use a nano coating if that's what you want
Why do you need hot water?
I have used cold water for years with good results?
Each to their own
You're right Duncan. I find that hot or cold, the finish is the same, but I can definitely achieve it quicker with hot. This time of year you have the added advantage that your equipment is warm which is great when you're starting out or working all day in sub zero temps. However, once the temps get back into double figures I switch back to cold.
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It seems to have made some of my customers windows easier to rinse..
Like what you did there........i'm rinsing all of mine..best i can anyway before some one else comes along ;D
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You're right Duncan. I find that hot or cold, the finish is the same, but I can definitely achieve it quicker with hot.
Hows that mate ? I give it one wipe cold. Can i do like half a wipe hot ? get me 50% quicker? I love stats.
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I also used cold water for about 10 years , it will clean to similar quality but hot is quicker particularly on first cleans and Plastics etc also makes life easier with flexible hose in the colder months but I accept it's not essential, however which car would you rather drive a ford pop or a modern car ??
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M and c windowcleaning exactly all these clames and it doesn't deliver , I totally agre 000 tds and hot water gives the best results , why do you need slip on the glass ? What does that accomplish ? Use a nano coating if that's what you want
Why do you need hot water?
I have used cold water for years with good results?
Each to their own
Hot water is bound to be quicker. Go and try to clean your dishes with cold water, you can get them just as clean it just takes more time and effort.
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According to the font of disagreement SeanK it doesn't.
He is Irish so Forgiveness is the word of the day.
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M and c windowcleaning exactly all these clames and it doesn't deliver , I totally agre 000 tds and hot water gives the best results , why do you need slip on the glass ? What does that accomplish ? Use a nano coating if that's what you want
Why do you need hot water?
I have used cold water for years with good results?
Each to their own
Hot water is bound to be quicker. Go and try to clean your dishes with cold water, you can get them just as clean it just takes more time and effort.
Depends on what your cleaning, there will be certain ingredients where hot might benefit but I would say the detergent would
be doing most of the work where dishes are concerned.
Put it this way cold water and Fairy would be better than hot water on its own, therefore why would Vision be anymore of a
placebo than hot water ?
It would certainly be a cheaper option.
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That sounds like a SeanK wriggle Dry Clean. Remarkably so.
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We all know warm water is better, but it as a cost to it. Also carrying gas in the van.
Don't see many people using their cars and a backpack using warm :)
Its like washing a car with warm water or cold.
But windows on a service clean don't need it. they should just be a bit dusty. It will be ace on bird poo though
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I heat it to about 40 degs as I transfer it to my barrels in the morning. As soon as I get up I start it going. Six barrels takes just under an hour using an L5 lpg heater. I have it all plumbed in and ready to go in a cabin in my garden that also houses my RO and storage tank. Just turn the gas on, put the hose in a barrel and turn on the pump. Once in my car and the boot is closed it's insulated so keeps it heat till I use it. I use a timer to make sure I don't waste water when the barrels are full
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Dry clean I understand what you are saying but if you worked on the coast doing large hotels lagged in salt every six weeks you would soon change your mind , one job that we do used to take 3 full days with cold water , with hot it takes a day and a half as the hot water dissolves the salt so much quicker and the windows dry much faster making the customer more happy as there guests don't like wet windows !!! lol I certainly wouldn't want to go back to cold although it will do the same job but slower , I do admit it's expensive to run on diesel however that's offset by the fact that you can get more work done in less time , I know that sounds a bit like an Ionic's advert but we have found it to be true . Also being by the coast we get a lot of baked on seagull poo this is difficult to get off with hotvand virtually impossible with cold , if you are doing 4 weekly maintenance cleans it is less important to have hot but still makes you quicker and if you pick up a new job makes it far easier ,.
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i also work on the south west coast hot is a must to be fair to get the best resaults there is so much bird crap and salt its a pain in the ars one day or night of easterly winds and every thing is plasterd in salt , i find hot rips the salt off much quicker on some jobs im saving nearly 50 percent of water due to not having to go over and over the glass
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Hot water is far better overall imo,I would do without any additive but I wouldn't do without hot water to work with,cold can look like your doing the same job but I've done inside jobs after using cold water and the results are much better with hot,the higher you clean the hotter the water.
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Dry clean I understand what you are saying but if you worked on the coast doing large hotels lagged in salt every six weeks you would soon change your mind , one job that we do used to take 3 full days with cold water , with hot it takes a day and a half as the hot water dissolves the salt so much quicker and the windows dry much faster making the customer more happy as there guests don't like wet windows !!! lol I certainly wouldn't want to go back to cold although it will do the same job but slower , I do admit it's expensive to run on diesel however that's offset by the fact that you can get more work done in less time , I know that sounds a bit like an Ionic's advert but we have found it to be true . Also being by the coast we get a lot of baked on seagull poo this is difficult to get off with hotvand virtually impossible with cold , if you are doing 4 weekly maintenance cleans it is less important to have hot but still makes you quicker and if you pick up a new job makes it far easier ,.
Sorry South west, I'm not saying hot water doesn't help because in your situation it certainly does, I'm just saying a
additive may also help if in the same situation.
I'm not for or against either as Iv never had the need to use anything other than cold pure.
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I'm surprised kempy hasn't been on to defend or give an explanation of why it happens.
Must be just s41t then.
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ive tryed spraying tfr ubik ect on the brush wich helps but ive also used vision and car screen wash in my tank i found hot beats all of this on salty glass
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hotter the water the faster the molaules move as there smaller mining it hits the glass faster and harder hence this is why the truck mount carpet cleaner work better then the smaller portable ones , hydromaster in the us spent millions researching why the hotter water worked better
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Hot water has kept me working these last few weeks that in itself is enough of a reason to have hot water,I could have lost in earnings what it cost me in the first place. Like I've said before if my heater broke tomorrow I'd get another straight away due to Theo overall clean being far quicker and the results being better,2 Window cleaners I know all knocked hot though even that there vans have been parked up outside there homes over the last few weeks due to not being able to work.
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According to the font of disagreement SeanK
;D
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Oh m8 I have had massive problems this week due to the same thing,I bought a new pump and obviously it didn't make any difference couldn't get any water etc,disconnected pipe from base of tank used a cable tie to un plug the hole and happy days away I went it was caked in crap from it. The pump was also full of gunk from it too.
Its like a corbon copy of what happened to me. And it premix my Vision in a liter bottle of water so it mixes properly.
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I won't be using it again my tank is still smelling of citrus a week or so later due to it having clung to the sides of the tank inside,I have filled right up to try and shift it every day and today's the first day the smell has died down a bit.
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I won't be using it again my tank is still smelling of citrus a week or so later due to it having clung to the sides of the tank inside,I have filled right up to try and shift it every day and today's the first day the smell has died down a bit.
Did you mix any versions of vision? Like the original and eco, or v2. Or have you always used the same type?
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Did you guys use vision daily?
If I remember correctly the advice was to not use vision for 1 day a week to let your tank clear out the build up.
I used vision from the day it came out up until about October last year, never had a problem with a build up of gunk. I only used it 4 days a week, even then on the 5th day I would still get the bubbles as the tank cleared any remaining vision.
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Using it that dose is pointless imo I was using about 10ml every other day or so,I've used all versions of it and found the original the best the one that bubbled the most although it didn't give me problems as I quickly went on to the 2nd and 3rd version of it. I'd like to know what's in it l still say some sort of lube at a guess.
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Did you guys use vision daily?
If I remember correctly the advice was to not use vision for 1 day a week to let your tank clear out the build up.
I used vision from the day it came out up until about October last year, never had a problem with a build up of gunk. I only used it 4 days a week, even then on the 5th day I would still get the bubbles as the tank cleared any remaining vision.
Odd, that doesn't make sense really unless the stuff floats 'cos the bottom of your tank always gets used first.
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It gets into everything Dave the tank-pump-resin can the lot,I changed my resin and it stank of it,it leaves a film on everything it touches.
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it leaves a film on everything it touches.
So does rinse-aid.
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Did you guys use vision daily?
If I remember correctly the advice was to not use vision for 1 day a week to let your tank clear out the build up.
I used vision from the day it came out up until about October last year, never had a problem with a build up of gunk. I only used it 4 days a week, even then on the 5th day I would still get the bubbles as the tank cleared any remaining vision.
Odd, that doesn't make sense really unless the stuff floats 'cos the bottom of your tank always gets used first.
Hey I'm no chemist. Those were the instructions that came with the last bottle I bought.
I remember kev, one of the inventors, saying the same thing to others on another forum.
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Lube
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Using it that dose is pointless imo I was using about 10ml every other day or so,I've used all versions of it and found the original the best the one that bubbled the most although it didn't give me problems as I quickly went on to the 2nd and 3rd version of it. I'd like to know what's in it l still say some sort of lube at a guess.
I think this is where your problem has been then. David gave out instructions to not mix any of the versions as they can react together and turn to a jelly. My guess is that you've had some of the Eco version in your tank and then you've put in v2 and this is reacted created the gunk. Dave and many others have been using vision for years and not had that problem so somethings gone wrong somewhere with your mix.
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I have NEVER EVER mixed them
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any one tryed added sparkel
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I have NEVER EVER mixed them
You say that but have you flushed your tank out with pure water before you started using another? Could have been some left in your tank somewhere if you didn't flush it.
If you have then who knows. I don't use vision but use a similar tweaked version and have done for about 4 years with absolutely no problem. Bit weird.
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The tank was properly flushed between versions of it,put it between 2 fingers and rub it's like I say similar to a lubricant that's smells nice,very much like KYJelly.
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I have set my system up to run at PPB now,imo far superior to any additive you can put in the tank.
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how do you get ppb any links NWH what cost is it to set up?
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RO and pre filters then standard resin followed by Nuclear resin,you have to monitor the standard resin so that as soon as it climbs off 000 you change that resin can,I change the nuclear as well every other time that way you can be pretty sure you'll get PPB at the brush. Nuclear resin is £300 a bag but imo you can see the difference.
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Ya gotta laugh at this place sometimes!!
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RO and pre filters then standard resin followed by Nuclear resin,you have to monitor the standard resin so that as soon as it climbs off 000 you change that resin can,I change the nuclear as well every other time that way you can be pretty sure you'll get PPB at the brush. Nuclear resin is £300 a bag but imo you can see the difference.
Can we see a picture of that tattoo on your forehead?
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My last bottle didn't even make it to the tank, it went all gloopy by itself.
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Try it you'll see for yourself chaps.
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Yeah I use added sparkle never had a problem yet Gave up on vision when kempy started putting prices up
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RO and pre filters then standard resin followed by Nuclear resin,you have to monitor the standard resin so that as soon as it climbs off 000 you change that resin can,I change the nuclear as well every other time that way you can be pretty sure you'll get PPB at the brush. Nuclear resin is £300 a bag but imo you can see the difference.
One pass through nuclear resin won't achieve PPB. Needs to be multiple passes through of 000 water to achieve PPB and even then you can't measure it so who knows.
And people say vision is a placebo. 😄
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think ill stick to 000 ppm ive moved away from additives since i went hot and this £300 for a bag of resin is sounding expencive and not being able to test the tds is very off putting ide love to try it in red hot sun on wood georgen windows on the sea front caked in salt to see if its any beter , i may try some of scots mix just to c but from what ive hurd on fb it does sod all and a wast of money !
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RO and pre filters then standard resin followed by Nuclear resin,you have to monitor the standard resin so that as soon as it climbs off 000 you change that resin can,I change the nuclear as well every other time that way you can be pretty sure you'll get PPB at the brush. Nuclear resin is £300 a bag but imo you can see the difference.
What difference do you see? Whether I clean my windows at 000ppm or 005ppm as I have done in the past they just look the same, same end result.......to the naked eye, clean. You can't get cleaner than clean.
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RO and pre filters then standard resin followed by Nuclear resin,you have to monitor the standard resin so that as soon as it climbs off 000 you change that resin can,I change the nuclear as well every other time that way you can be pretty sure you'll get PPB at the brush. Nuclear resin is £300 a bag but imo you can see the difference.
What difference do you see? Whether I clean my windows at 000ppm or 005ppm as I have done in the past they just look the same, same end result.......to the naked eye, clean. You can't get cleaner than clean.
None, none whatsoever! Same as cleaning with tap water is exactly the same as cleaning with 000ppm- just the result is different after drying. He's talking rubbish.
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Is that you a Chum using a different name again,bell end suits you better pal.
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Out of RO I'm getting 3 then through resin 000 then through Nuclear resin,trust me you can tell the difference id buy a PPB machine tbh.
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Out of RO I'm getting 3 then through resin 000 then through Nuclear resin,trust me you can tell the difference id buy a PPB machine tbh.
Utter nonesense. One of my friends had one in one of his vans, the Ionic one. His own words- biggest waste of money ever- no difference whatsoever than that of his other ppm machines! He swallowed the sales bull and said he wouldn't buy another as there was no point. He also kows how a controller works too. ::)roll
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I'd buy one I can see the difference it's a bit like comparing a small van to one you can get everything in Chum,tell your friend with one to check the belled end on his zero machine eh.
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I'd buy one I can see the difference it's a bit like comparing a small van to one you can get everything in Chum,tell your friend with one to check the belled end on his zero machine eh.
Kalopsia- look it up, you are suffering from it, just like you were initially with your "vision". ;)
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i would like to say if you have a problem with vision then feel free to give Kempy a ring as he thinks its the lion den on here and wont come on here to answer your questions or concerns,
if you need him or help then find him on Fb cause they are better people over there
i did put it to him that he was quite happy to promote it on here when it 1st come out and take your money,but he feels cause it Ciu,then well he doesnt have to come on here now, ;)
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The problem with Vision is its an emulsion so does not really mix with water.In the cold, its inclined to separate and been heavier than water sinks to the bottom of the tank were it meets up with last weeks stuff and forms a blob which blocks the pump, pipes, strainer and pole fan jets. So, for this reason, I am out. It messed up a pump already.
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2 pumps completely packed up on me and I changed to the 3rd coz it was on its way it was starting to knock big time,cleared the tank out installed brand new pump and now I can hardly hear it running.
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2 pumps completely packed up on me and I changed to the 3rd coz it was on its way it was starting to knock big time,cleared the tank out installed brand new pump and now I can hardly hear it running.
Had same pump for 3 years. Suppliers said I was doing well. Used Vision from day 1.
Emptied filter for first time in 2 years. All I got was dog hair
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My pumps were knocking took off both ends off all I got was greasy white bubbles.
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If you use a very small amount it doesn't notice that your using it to get glide on the glass you need to use 3 syringe fulls a week I found,every few weeks I ran it for a week vision free.
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i never had pump issues my stainer turned black tho ,i also found it did not mix well as u would get a load of bubbles one minit then hardly any the other i also dosed every other tank fill as u do get a build up once i had to dump 250l of water as i over dosed :o