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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richard groves on January 12, 2017, 03:37:52 pm
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I did a first clean on an existing customers new house yesterday.
My best paying, but probably due more to the time it took inside and out. As I really had no idea as to how long it would take I quoted it on an hourly rate I had already been charging him previously on his old place that took two hours.
I actually suprised myself for once by being pretty accurate on the length of time it would take. Approx 8 hours + breaks and redoing a few windows that spotted but mainly for my own peace of mind.
I'm not going to mention price yet, but fair to say it was very reasonable.
I'm just curious as to what others would have done - day rate ? a fixed price ? or as I did ?
I charged him for 8 hours.
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It would depend on whether it was a one off, an occasional or a regular job.
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It was an existing customer so by that I mean regular.
I don't imagine it to take this long again. The house is a year old and looked like it had not been cleaned in that time.
The outside took 2 hours and the bulk of the insides time was taken cleaning floor to ceiling windows that span 3 floors of an open plan hall and staircase ( not something that will require cleaning every time ).
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Well if it took eight hours and you charged for eight hours then you didn't do too well did you ???
Now, if you priced it at eight hours and you finished it in four then bravo!
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£6 front only . Takes exactly 5 minutes which equates to £72 an hour
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I have one job that takes me about six hours but pays two days money at my normal day rate.
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The reason I ask is because I don't have experience of cleaning houses on the scale of this and lack confidence in quoting high.
I'm much more comfortable quoting fixed prices on houses that take inside of an hour, often 30 - 40 mins tops. The equivalent hourly rate for them is often more than I charged on this one.
My highest days earning on my round takes about the same time but beats this one job by about £70 but is way more physically demanding and uses twice as much water.
Don't get me wrong, I am happy with what I charged and earnt more than I would have done on an average day.
I just don't know whether I undersold my services.
I charged £240.
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I would have charged a daily rate, which for my business in the area I work, would have been between £300 - £400.
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I also did my best paying job yesterday (as hourly rate goes). It was nowhere near what you did per hour. Thank god.
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The willy wavers are out in force.
It was an honest question which I posted to gain some knowledge / experience as to pricing bigger high end properties.
Gloat all you like but to me and the jobs I've held in the past, its not to be sniffed at.
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Talking domestic stuff here ... I aim to work by getting new stuff at £40 per hour (up to two hours). If I was there half a day (3.5/4hrs) I would try to get £140 plus and if I was there a whole day (6.5 to 7.5 hrs) £250 plus.
Sometimes things work out well in as I get the above rates on the first clean and am quicker on subsequent thus giving a better hourly rate. Other times the first clean subsidises subsequent cleans inasmuch as I might struggle to get £40 per hour on the first clean but do better afterwards.
Some of my work pays rather more per hour but I still have work that is at £30 per hour mind ...
Thank you Granville Gold.
A sensible reply that's of help. good advice. ;)
I wasn't too far off but I can put it down to experience.
I would like to move away from terraced fronts and semis that make up the majority of my work, only take on ones in existing streets I have a round. The traffic congestion and parking where I live and work is becoming unbearable and lowers my overall hourly wage .
Bigger rural houses that could take half a day or more is something I would like to do more of this year, hence the post.
So there is room for improvement in my pricing and something to aim to ;)
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This is CIU Barry- most would have charged upwards of 2k and still felt ripped off!
They don't need much of an invitation but this thread is gold dust for them!!
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Barry I like your honesty and am happy for you as you seemed well chuffed with yourself... Good on you and well done ;)
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This is CIU Barry- most would have charged upwards of 2k and still felt ripped off!
They don't need much of an invitation but this thread is gold dust for them!!
Yeah, don't I know it !
I usually stay well out of any topic that talks money for that very reason.
I had to ask on this occasion else I'd have nothing to compare my pricing to ;D
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Now you’ve got it and your moaning. :'(
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Barry I like your honesty and am happy for you as you seemed well chuffed with yourself... Good on you and well done ;)
Cheers Smurf. Maybe the posts title was a little misleading though. I wasn't out to blow my own trumpet or give myself a pat on the back. My earnings are very humble ones compared to the big boys on here. I know that and it does not bother me in the slightest.
I am just trying to gauge how my pricing structure and charging fares compared to others. Local windies will rarely openly discuss prices with one another. I want to be somewhere in the middle - not too high and not too low.
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My best paying job is a £5 terraced front 2 windows and a door than can be done in approx 2 mins. £150 per hour on that one.
however my day rate average is only 150 so compared to me you are a willy waiver
240 is a cracking days money for cleaning some glass imo
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Personally, I wouldn't quote any figures. I never do. The only thing that matters is whether you're happy with what you got.
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Now you’ve got it and your moaning. :'(
Not moaning Slacky . I just don't like rude and arrogant people who set out to belittle me.
You're reply was a useless one that did nothing other than sneer at my efforts and make you look bigger.
Perhaps you are, but it doesn't bother me. :-*
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Hey, if I offended you then I apologise, but you shouldn’t aspire to be like Dazmond with all his financial and career based aspirations and achievements that he readily posts on here if you don’t like that kind of thing.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1484242562_Screen Shot 2017-01-12 at 17.35.19.png)
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My best paying job is a £5 terraced front 2 windows and a door than can be done in approx 2 mins. £150 per hour on that one.
however my day rate average is only 150 so compared to me you are a willy waiver
240 is a cracking days money for cleaning some glass imo
An average days takings of 150 would be about the same for me also Adam.
This job was not in any way ordinary for me and I lack confidence in pricing a job such as this hence why I posted. ;)
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I did a first clean on an existing customers new house yesterday.
My best paying, but probably due more to the time it took inside and out. As I really had no idea as to how long it would take I quoted it on an hourly rate I had already been charging him previously on his old place that took two hours.
I actually suprised myself for once by being pretty accurate on the length of time it would take. Approx 8 hours + breaks and redoing a few windows that spotted but mainly for my own peace of mind.
I'm not going to mention price yet, but fair to say it was very reasonable.
I'm just curious as to what others would have done - day rate ? a fixed price ? or as I did ?
I charged him for 8 hours.
Hi Barry
I quote per window/holes in the wall making adjustments for large apertures, on larger properties I try to asses time required to ensure I get it correct, if anything I would add a % for contingency I find this method ensures larger properties generate a better hourly rate, which I think is justified.
I find quoting/sales a psychological battle, you want the work and therefore try to second guess the clients thoughts/reaction, you have no idea yet quote a lower price than the one in your head LOL! The answer lies in believing the value/service you provide and be willing to walk away if the two don't marry up.
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Hey, if I offended you then I apologise, but you shouldn’t aspire to be like Dazmond with all his financial and career based aspirations and achievements that he readily posts on here if you don’t like that kind of thing.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1484242562_Screen Shot 2017-01-12 at 17.35.19.png)
No worries :)
I don't really aspire to be like Daz, I'm totally the opposite and will never grow up. ;D
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Barry I like your honesty and am happy for you as you seemed well chuffed with yourself... Good on you and well done ;)
Cheers Smurf. Maybe the posts title was a little misleading though. I wasn't out to blow my own trumpet or give myself a pat on the back. My earnings are very humble ones compared to the big boys on here. I know that and it does not bother me in the slightest.
I am just trying to gauge how my pricing structure and charging fares compared to others. Local windies will rarely openly discuss prices with one another. I want to be somewhere in the middle - not too high and not too low.
If you are happy with what you get for a days work then that's all that matters bud. If not then learn from it as pricing jobs up is a big learning curve for sure.
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I also price per frame and don't worry in the slightest how long it takes to do the job.
For instance I did a first clean inside and out on a local salon today. It took me over two hours to get it to a standard that I was satisfied with, and the hourly rate would make the so called big boys on here laugh (or cry). However, the owner was delighted with my efforts and the job is booked in now as a regular, and will take a fraction of the time to clean in future.
I couldn't have cared less how long it took because I believe that taking extra time on a first clean equates to investing in that customer, and that investment pays for itself over and over through regular custom and recommendations.
Barry, take no notice of those who put you down. As long as your customer is happy with you, and you are happy with the job and what you made from it, that is all that matters.
John
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Hey, if I offended you then I apologise, but you shouldn’t aspire to be like Dazmond with all his financial and career based aspirations and achievements that he readily posts on here if you don’t like that kind of thing.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1484242562_Screen Shot 2017-01-12 at 17.35.19.png)
No worries :)
I don't really aspire to be like Daz, I'm totally the opposite and will never grow up. ;D
hey whats going on here? ;D ;D ;D
good for you mate.£240 is a good days earnings.
now this might sound a bit mad but i would ve probably refused the job as i cant stand cleaning inside windows esp if its going to take 4 or 5 hours.
i just dont want to get roped into doing jobs like that.im quite happy just banging out my regular work (with minimal notification/booking in needed.)
i have quite a lot of houses in the £20,£30,£40 bracket and these ones are the best for day rates v time taken to clean with minimal effort and hassle for me.
its not just the money.i weigh up how hard the work is going to be,whether there is a PITA factor and will it come round again in another month or two!can i just turn up and clean too! ;D
ive been in this game a long time and just want easy,shortish days for a good days pay these days.
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Hey, if I offended you then I apologise, but you shouldn’t aspire to be like Dazmond with all his financial and career based aspirations and achievements that he readily posts on here if you don’t like that kind of thing.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1484242562_Screen Shot 2017-01-12 at 17.35.19.png)
No worries :)
I don't really aspire to be like Daz, I'm totally the opposite and will never grow up. ;D
hey whats going on here? ;D ;D ;D
good for you mate.£240 is a good days earnings.
now this might sound a bit mad but i would ve probably refused the job as i cant stand cleaning inside windows esp if its going to take 4 or 5 hours.
i just dont want to get roped into doing jobs like that.im quite happy just banging out my regular work (with minimal notification/booking in needed.)
i have quite a lot of houses in the £20,£30,£40 bracket and these ones are the best for day rates v time taken to clean with minimal effort and hassle for me.
its not just the money.i weigh up how hard the work is going to be,whether there is a PITA factor and will it come round again in another month or two!can i just turn up and clean too! ;D
ive been in this game a long time and just want easy,shortish days for a good days pay these days.
Exact same as me. i haven't cleaned an inside window for about a year and a half now (domestic) and dont take on any work if a domestic customer wants them doing time to time. Commercial slightly different but then so is the price however i dont do any builders type cleaning inside or out, i like to keep it very simple.
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10".
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I have one job that takes me about six hours but pays two days money at my normal day rate.
didnt know your wife started paying you todo your own windows :P :P :P :P
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ive been in this game a long time and just want easy,shortish days for a good days pay these days.
about 4hours with that dead back pack battery ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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ive been in this game a long time and just want easy,shortish days for a good days pay these days.
about 4hours with that dead back pack battery ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
too right franky!i dont mind working short days in this awful weather!new backpack should be on the way tomorrow. ;)
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I also did my best paying job yesterday (as hourly rate goes). It was nowhere near what you did per hour. Thank god.
;D
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"i have quite a lot of houses in the £20,£30,£40 bracket and these ones are the best for day rates v time taken to clean with minimal effort and hassle for me."
Don't forget the £4 ones ::)roll
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I also price per frame and don't worry in the slightest how long it takes to do the job.
For instance I did a first clean inside and out on a local salon today. It took me over two hours to get it to a standard that I was satisfied with, and the hourly rate would make the so called big boys on here laugh (or cry). However, the owner was delighted with my efforts and the job is booked in now as a regular, and will take a fraction of the time to clean in future.
I couldn't have cared less how long it took because I believe that taking extra time on a first clean equates to investing in that customer, and that investment pays for itself over and over through regular custom and recommendations.
Barry, take no notice of those who put you down. As long as your customer is happy with you, and you are happy with the job and what you made from it, that is all that matters.
John
This is a good investment for the future - so you might "discount" the first one that takes two hours to the price of say one and a half hours knowing that as a regular it will only take say an hour or less.
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Best paying job we ever had was a lottery winner £46,000,000. £375.00 refused to pay because one of the lads photoed his car a Maclaren) Took him to court and sold the story to the Sun and The Mail. Hourly rate ; well over £1000.00 per hour
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Best paying job we ever had was a lottery winner £46,000,000. £375.00 refused to pay because one of the lads photoed his car a Maclaren) Took him to court and sold the story to the Sun and The Mail. Hourly rate ; well over £1000.00 per hour
Sweet!
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Best paying job we ever had was a lottery winner £46,000,000. £375.00 refused to pay because one of the lads photoed his car a Maclaren) Took him to court and sold the story to the Sun and The Mail. Hourly rate ; well over £1000.00 per hour
I remember you posting about that at the time.
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Well at least you got paid in the end
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I think if it's hitting above what you'd normally achieve for an 8 hours day of domestics, then fair play to you Barry. I'd certainly want at least that for being on one job all day, as I never take breaks until the work is done (I'd cease up and not get going again 😂), which makes it a much more demanding day's work.
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"i have quite a lot of houses in the £20,£30,£40 bracket and these ones are the best for day rates v time taken to clean with minimal effort and hassle for me."
Don't forget the £4 ones ::)roll
theres absolutely no problem with having £4 jobs.one of the most successful window cleaners thats ever been on CIU admitted he had a few too(archer window cleaning). :)
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Best paying job we ever had was a lottery winner £46,000,000. £375.00 refused to pay because one of the lads photoed his car a Maclaren) Took him to court and sold the story to the Sun and The Mail. Hourly rate ; well over £1000.00 per hour
that was brilliant that mate.what a complete and utter W*A*N*K*E*R! ;D ;D
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"i have quite a lot of houses in the £20,£30,£40 bracket and these ones are the best for day rates v time taken to clean with minimal effort and hassle for me."
Don't forget the £4 ones ::)roll
theres absolutely no problem with having £4 jobs.one of the most successful window cleaners thats ever been on CIU admitted he had a few too(archer window cleaning). :)
What happened to Archer! He can come back now dozy cozy has gone/died/been banged up. ;D
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The willy wavers are out in force.
It was an honest question which I posted to gain some knowledge / experience as to pricing bigger high end properties.
Gloat all you like but to me and the jobs I've held in the past, its not to be sniffed at.
Good to see an honest post, now I've got a question of my own regards pricing.
I'm quoting for window cleaning on a regular commercial clean and it's inside and out. There is over 100 windows and calculating the external windows on my excel pricing guide = £x.xx Now what due you charge (% extra) for insides as I avoid domestic internal windows I usually say it's double for the inside which puts them off (but this is a job I want).
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Pricing is all about what you are happy with for a days wage , some might be happy with £100 others want £500 both are achievable depending where in the country you are and the type of work you do , however where I think a problem arises is when the cheaper ones give a quote £100 per day , someone else then quotes much higher the customer then thinks that the higher priced person is trying to rip them off and that's not the case , this is how under cutting someone else's prices can come about accidentally, those who are happy with lower earnings per day that's fine but I think they are under valuing themselves by doing so , that's if they are doing the job properly . I do a lot of work for a large firm that own blocks of flats that are retirement complexes , they had a national company cleaning there windows they used tap water only did some windows and would not do the internal communal windows unless the manager walked round with them to make sure they did the job properly , they were charging £100 per complex , totally unrealistic price , I now do a number of thease properties charging many times more than the previous firm and they are happy to pay it beacause we do the job properly and don't have to be checked up on , this isn't boasting but I have found that many cheap firms do not do the job properly as the only reason they got the job was on a cheap price then when they get it they cannot spend the time on it that it require to do it properly so they cut corners . Ime not suggesting that ones on hear are like that this was a large national firm based in Yorkshire , all you sole traders don't undersell your selves charge a decent price for a quality job
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Pricing is all about what you are happy with for a days wage , some might be happy with £100 others want £500 both are achievable depending where in the country you are and the type of work you do , however where I think a problem arises is when the cheaper ones give a quote £100 per day , someone else then quotes much higher the customer then thinks that the higher priced person is trying to rip them off and that's not the case , this is how under cutting someone else's prices can come about accidentally, those who are happy with lower earnings per day that's fine but I think they are under valuing themselves by doing so , that's if they are doing the job properly . I do a lot of work for a large firm that own blocks of flats that are retirement complexes , they had a national company cleaning there windows they used tap water only did some windows and would not do the internal communal windows unless the manager walked round with them to make sure they did the job properly , they were charging £100 per complex , totally unrealistic price , I now do a number of thease properties charging many times more than the previous firm and they are happy to pay it beacause we do the job properly and don't have to be checked up on , this isn't boasting but I have found that many cheap firms do not do the job properly as the only reason they got the job was on a cheap price then when they get it they cannot spend the time on it that it require to do it properly so they cut corners . Ime not suggesting that ones on hear are like that this was a large national firm based in Yorkshire , all you sole traders don't undersell your selves charge a decent price for a quality job
I got asked to quote for one of these complexes the other day and was surprised what it was being done for currently. especially as the current firm make 100 mile round trip for it.
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"i have quite a lot of houses in the £20,£30,£40 bracket and these ones are the best for day rates v time taken to clean with minimal effort and hassle for me."
Don't forget the £4 ones ::)roll
theres absolutely no problem with having £4 jobs.one of the most successful window cleaners thats ever been on CIU admitted he had a few too(archer window cleaning). :)
What happened to Archer! He can come back now dozy cozy has gone/died/been banged up. ;D
Oh God no.
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I did a first clean on an existing customers new house yesterday.
My best paying, but probably due more to the time it took inside and out. As I really had no idea as to how long it would take I quoted it on an hourly rate I had already been charging him previously on his old place that took two hours.
I actually suprised myself for once by being pretty accurate on the length of time it would take. Approx 8 hours + breaks and redoing a few windows that spotted but mainly for my own peace of mind.
I'm not going to mention price yet, but fair to say it was very reasonable.
I'm just curious as to what others would have done - day rate ? a fixed price ? or as I did ?
I charged him for 8 hours.
You have achieved your daily target and hopefully kept a repeat customer, nothing wrong with that.