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Title: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 05, 2017, 09:07:23 pm
oil light came on at about 2pm.i knew their was plenty of oil in the van and the engine seemed fine so carried on working til 4pm.

2 mins into driving home and engine loses power and then rattling noises and it cuts out. ::)roll

so ive been stuck for 3 hours waiting for a truck to take me home.ive had better days.ruddy freezing too.

ive been lucky with cars and vans for years but someday it was bound to run out.today was the day! :(

guy said engines seized.new engine required.

great start to the new year! ::)roll ;D
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: G Griffin on January 05, 2017, 09:36:21 pm
Blimey.
It won't keep you down though, Daz.
Good luck with it.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: steven ainger on January 05, 2017, 09:37:04 pm
Sorry to hear this
Always seems to happen just after Xmas.
I had a head gasket go on my old van this time last year,
Got another van in the end, 11 plate Peugeot Expert 20 hdi, old van wasnt worth throwing money at


Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Michael Peterson on January 05, 2017, 09:39:28 pm
that light doesnt meen low oil it meens no oil in the sump ,it meens stop right now, the rattle is death rattle i made exactly that misstake mate a few years ago, you can get the engine on that van (is it still the ford ) reconditioned for about 1500 but to be honest you may be looking at another van, sorry man its bull when stuff like this happens
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Michael Peterson on January 05, 2017, 09:41:31 pm
after this happend to me i went to vanarama and pay about £50 a week for a new van which after 4 years i can buy and pay them 6k or upgrade or sell privatly, this might not be the cheepest option but ill tell you what, the security and confort it good
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Clever Forum Name on January 05, 2017, 09:52:04 pm
Ditch it and get that custom you was on about  :)

Not a good start to the year BUT just think you could be driving the rest of the year in a newer van ;)
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: lal on January 05, 2017, 09:59:57 pm
 Sorry to hear that about your van dazmond, I've got the same van as you too T230   :o , i remember you mentioned on
 here a little while back, that you were thinking about getting a Transit Custom, (thats gonna be my next van too), will you
 get another engine for your connect or go for another van.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 05, 2017, 10:03:01 pm
that light doesnt meen low oil it meens no oil in the sump ,it meens stop right now, the rattle is death rattle i made exactly that misstake mate a few years ago, you can get the engine on that van (is it still the ford ) reconditioned for about 1500 but to be honest you may be looking at another van, sorry man its bull when stuff like this happens

ive had oil lights come on before on other vans and cars and its normally been a faulty oil pressure switch!2 mins driving to mess my engine up. ::)roll
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: LWC on January 05, 2017, 10:05:29 pm
Sorry to hear this Daz
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Dave Willis on January 05, 2017, 10:07:30 pm
Oh well, you'll just have to dip into that £50,000 emergency fund.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 05, 2017, 10:16:24 pm
Sorry to hear that about your van dazmond, I've got the same van as you too T230   :o , i remember you mentioned on
 here a little while back, that you were thinking about getting a Transit Custom, (thats gonna be my next van too), will you
 get another engine for your connect or go for another van.

im gonna take a trip to my local garage tomorrow morning and see what he says.i reckon ill get another engine in it for just less than a grand fitted.great guys at my garage.

the van only gets used for work and it still looks tidy etc so i dont want to get rid of it TBH .with a new engine i reckon its got a few years left in it yet.i only do 2500-3000 miles a year!

i can still do a bit of work in my golf gti ;D(backpack,trolley and 4 barrels)and slx 22,trad gear,etc.not ideal but itll keep me ticking over for now. :)
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: 8weekly on January 05, 2017, 10:33:32 pm
Sorry to hear that about your van dazmond, I've got the same van as you too T230   :o , i remember you mentioned on
 here a little while back, that you were thinking about getting a Transit Custom, (thats gonna be my next van too), will you
 get another engine for your connect or go for another van.

im gonna take a trip to my local garage tomorrow morning and see what he says.i reckon ill get another engine in it for just less than a grand fitted.great guys at my garage.

the van only gets used for work and it still looks tidy etc so i dont want to get rid of it TBH .with a new engine i reckon its got a few years left in it yet.i only do 2500-3000 miles a year!

i can still do a bit of work in my golf gti ;D(backpack,trolley and 4 barrels)and slx 22,trad gear,etc.not ideal but itll keep me ticking over for now. :)
Sorry to hear thatDaz. Get the Custom. Lovely vans.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Stoots on January 05, 2017, 11:00:17 pm
So im not the only one with van problem today!

I broke down at 11 and got home at 3:30 after waiting for a tow truck

Gearbox failure for me, possibly dual mass flywheel - wont see much change from a grand they reckon

Good fun eh

Im gutted, been looking for vans for the last 3 hours
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Matt. on January 05, 2017, 11:19:10 pm
Bad luck mate
Get on internet Daz scour round for second hand engine, try hills salvage in skem, they will have one it's just price, or there's a massive salvage yard knutsford/winsford ways. Am sure there will be a few in Manchester maybe more local

Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Jonny 87 on January 06, 2017, 08:13:34 am
Ah that's rubbish. :( always after the holidays too.

The only saving grace is that there are a lot of engines available for that connect as they were very popular vans.

Hope you don't have much down time.

Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 06, 2017, 12:33:50 pm
martin at the garage said give him a week and get back to him.i reckon im looking at £900-£1000 for engine and £500-£600 for fitting.so say 2 weeks until im on the road again.not too bad.

at least i can still work albeit at a slower pace and some jobs ill have to avoid.

ive got 120L (4 barrels and a full backpack)in the golf,xtreme25,trad gear,etc..ill be brushing up a bit more on my trad skills over the next few weeks for sure lads! ;D

ive got 40m of pole hose so ill leave the backpack in the car for some work and i have a little foldaway trolley too.

at least i have heated seats in the golf during my lunch breaks! :)
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: deeege on January 06, 2017, 02:12:05 pm
Good luck getting it sorted mate.  :'(

This is the exact reason I've gone down the lease route. Brand new van, nice to drive, no MOT/ Tax to pay just £100 a year on service but most importantly I have the piece of mind that I'm not going to ever be off the road for more than a day.  All for the cost of a days earnings per month.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Cookie on January 06, 2017, 02:35:28 pm
This is the exact reason I've gone down the lease route. Brand new van, nice to drive, no MOT/ Tax to pay just £100 a year on service but most importantly I have the piece of mind that I'm not going to ever be off the road for more than a day.  All for the cost of a days earnings per month.

Are the lease company OK with you drilling holes in the van chassis in order to secure your tank?
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: jonboywalton75 on January 06, 2017, 02:54:23 pm
I do all sorts to my transit custom
If I don't want to keep it beyond the four year lease  I just find  a buyer and pay my balloon payment
I did this with my last one and came out with £500 extra
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Dave Willis on January 06, 2017, 03:11:01 pm
martin at the garage said give him a week and get back to him.i reckon im looking at £900-£1000 for engine and £500-£600 for fitting.so say 2 weeks until im on the road again.not too bad.

at least i can still work albeit at a slower pace and some jobs ill have to avoid.

ive got 120L (4 barrels and a full backpack)in the golf,xtreme25,trad gear,etc..ill be brushing up a bit more on my trad skills over the next few weeks for sure lads!

ive got 40m of pole hose so ill leave the backpack in the car for some work and i have a little foldaway trolley too.

at least i have heated seats in the golf during my lunch breaks! :)


Crikey! you could buy two leather jackets for that.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Don Kee on January 06, 2017, 03:50:14 pm
You've got a pump box right?

Rent a van for a few days, and get a load of barrels, just to get you working (draw from barrels, split feeding to draw from 2 at a time)


Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Dave Willis on January 06, 2017, 03:54:26 pm
Rent a van and whip your tank out then lash it into the hire van. Wasn't much holding your tank in anyway from what I remember, undo the bolts holding the top frame and bobs yer uncle.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 06, 2017, 04:57:55 pm
You've got a pump box right?

Rent a van for a few days, and get a load of barrels, just to get you working (draw from barrels, split feeding to draw from 2 at a time)

hi mate.its not worth it for the 2 weeks ill probably be off the road.its amazing how far 120L will get you with a backpack esp if i trad most ground floor windows.i might have to work an extra hour a day to clean the same amount of work as the van mount but i can handle that for a few weeks.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 06, 2017, 05:19:40 pm
i doubt ill lose any income over the course of this month.just the £1500 for the new engine.the van cost me £2,400 nearly 3 years ago.with the few jobs ive had done on it,mot,etc and very minimal downtime ill still be saving myself a lot of money than leasing a brand new van over the course of say 5 years.

its just not worth getting a new van for 2500-3000 miles a year that i do IMO.

its 12k over 5 years at £200 a month then probably 6k to buy the van outright which takes it to 18k.the sums dont add up to me as a one man band with limited use/mileage.

so say i spend 7k in 5 years including purchase, MOT,repairs,servicing,tax etc im saving 5k compared to leasing a new van.(thats enough to pay for my golf GTI).

the van isnt a rust bucket.it still looks smart and tidy with the sign writing/vinyl wrap etc.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: deeege on January 06, 2017, 06:35:49 pm
This is the exact reason I've gone down the lease route. Brand new van, nice to drive, no MOT/ Tax to pay just £100 a year on service but most importantly I have the piece of mind that I'm not going to ever be off the road for more than a day.  All for the cost of a days earnings per month.

Are the lease company OK with you drilling holes in the van chassis in order to secure your tank?

It's not a problem.  I just take the floors ply lining out when new then put it back in after I've removed my tank. In fact I did this just a couple weeks ago when my old one went back and it wasn't mentioned and got no charges.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: deeege on January 06, 2017, 06:38:47 pm
i doubt ill lose any income over the course of this month.just the £1500 for the new engine.the van cost me £2,400 nearly 3 years ago.with the few jobs ive had done on it,mot,etc and very minimal downtime ill still be saving myself a lot of money than leasing a brand new van over the course of say 5 years.

its just not worth getting a new van for 2500-3000 miles a year that i do IMO.

its 12k over 5 years at £200 a month then probably 6k to buy the van outright which takes it to 18k.the sums dont add up to me as a one man band with limited use/mileage.

so say i spend 7k in 5 years including purchase, MOT,repairs,servicing,tax etc im saving 5k compared to leasing a new van.(thats enough to pay for my golf GTI).

the van isnt a rust bucket.it still looks smart and tidy with the sign writing/vinyl wrap etc.

Fair enough but that doesn't factor in the price of knowing my vans always going to get me through the day and also the cost of lost work days.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 06, 2017, 07:00:10 pm
i doubt ill lose any income over the course of this month.just the £1500 for the new engine.the van cost me £2,400 nearly 3 years ago.with the few jobs ive had done on it,mot,etc and very minimal downtime ill still be saving myself a lot of money than leasing a brand new van over the course of say 5 years.

its just not worth getting a new van for 2500-3000 miles a year that i do IMO.

its 12k over 5 years at £200 a month then probably 6k to buy the van outright which takes it to 18k.the sums dont add up to me as a one man band with limited use/mileage.

so say i spend 7k in 5 years including purchase, MOT,repairs,servicing,tax etc im saving 5k compared to leasing a new van.(thats enough to pay for my golf GTI).

the van isnt a rust bucket.it still looks smart and tidy with the sign writing/vinyl wrap etc.

Fair enough but that doesn't factor in the price of knowing my vans always going to get me through the day and also the cost of lost work days.

the thing is danny i dont really lose out on so called "lost work days" over the course of a month/year as im part time now mate.the odd day off here and there is not going to have an affect on overall earnings.

also new vans still breakdown from time to time(albeit less often) ;D
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: deeege on January 06, 2017, 07:26:09 pm
i doubt ill lose any income over the course of this month.just the £1500 for the new engine.the van cost me £2,400 nearly 3 years ago.with the few jobs ive had done on it,mot,etc and very minimal downtime ill still be saving myself a lot of money than leasing a brand new van over the course of say 5 years.

its just not worth getting a new van for 2500-3000 miles a year that i do IMO.

its 12k over 5 years at £200 a month then probably 6k to buy the van outright which takes it to 18k.the sums dont add up to me as a one man band with limited use/mileage.

so say i spend 7k in 5 years including purchase, MOT,repairs,servicing,tax etc im saving 5k compared to leasing a new van.(thats enough to pay for my golf GTI).

the van isnt a rust bucket.it still looks smart and tidy with the sign writing/vinyl wrap etc.

Fair enough but that doesn't factor in the price of knowing my vans always going to get me through the day and also the cost of lost work days.

the thing is danny i dont really lose out on so called "lost work days" over the course of a month/year as im part time now mate.the odd day off here and there is not going to have an affect on overall earnings.

also new vans still breakdown from time to time(albeit less often) ;D

It's still lost time though, faffing about waiting for tow trucks / dealing with garages etc.  Might not be lost work time if you are part time but your own time has a value too, mine does anyway. (Unless you enjoy messing around dealing with mechanics and waiting for tow trucks etc)
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Blackadder on January 06, 2017, 07:33:52 pm
Get the SWB custom Dazmond, by far the best decision I've  made since I started WFP, love it and it's come in to its own this winter.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Jonny 87 on January 06, 2017, 07:50:20 pm
This is the exact reason I've gone down the lease route. Brand new van, nice to drive, no MOT/ Tax to pay just £100 a year on service but most importantly I have the piece of mind that I'm not going to ever be off the road for more than a day.  All for the cost of a days earnings per month.

This is what I was thinking recently.

Mind if I ask Which company you've gone with?

Vanarama seem decent for prices.

Also is their much quibble about bodywork condition? Scratches etc? I keep my vehicles in good condition but I've always worried a tiny scratch will mean they ask for a panel respray.  ???
Are the lease company OK with you drilling holes in the van chassis in order to secure your tank?

It's not a problem.  I just take the floors ply lining out when new then put it back in after I've removed my tank. In fact I did this just a couple weeks ago when my old one went back and it wasn't mentioned and got no charges.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: deeege on January 06, 2017, 07:59:14 pm
This is the exact reason I've gone down the lease route. Brand new van, nice to drive, no MOT/ Tax to pay just £100 a year on service but most importantly I have the piece of mind that I'm not going to ever be off the road for more than a day.  All for the cost of a days earnings per month.

This is what I was thinking recently.

Mind if I ask Which company you've gone with?

Vanarama seem decent for prices.

Also is their much quibble about bodywork condition? Scratches etc? I keep my vehicles in good condition but I've always worried a tiny scratch will mean they ask for a panel respray.  ???
Are the lease company OK with you drilling holes in the van chassis in order to secure your tank?

It's not a problem.  I just take the floors ply lining out when new then put it back in after I've removed my tank. In fact I did this just a couple weeks ago when my old one went back and it wasn't mentioned and got no charges.

When the lease is up the auction house (Mannahein) inspect the van and obviously there are charges for any damage.  Fair wear and tear is allowed. Inside they only really looked briefly, all was clean and tidy. Externally they gave it a thorough check over. They pulled me on a few minor scratches on the rear arch and quite a bad scratch / dent on the back door. Charges totalled £170.00, I could have got them repaired beforehand for less than £100 probably but would have meant not having the van for an afternoon so not worth it.

They never mentioned lifting the ply to look where I'd had the tank bolted. I'm with Citroën direct. Would recommend and they also price matched the best quote I got online.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: brianbarber on January 06, 2017, 07:59:25 pm
Long term, Bite the Bullet and buy brand new
I had 2004 connect, things started going wrong after 150k miles.
Decided to get new connect on hire purchase.
  After payments over 36 months the van is mine.
I also don't do many miles.
If I had a major issue I won't mess about, I'll hire a van and use my old trolley connected to a 400 litre tank ratchet strapped in hire van.
  Best move you can make, at the end of the day this breakdown will be a costly excercise,
£1500 to get back on the road, less work being done using a car to work from.
and what if the cost or time escalates.?

Mr B
 
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: 8weekly on January 06, 2017, 08:18:19 pm
Get the SWB custom Dazmond, by far the best decision I've  made since I started WFP, love it and it's come in to its own this winter.
Got to agree. Lovely vans. Drive as well a car. You could ditch the Dub.  ;D
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 06, 2017, 08:40:30 pm
Long term, Bite the Bullet and buy brand new
I had 2004 connect, things started going wrong after 150k miles.
Decided to get new connect on hire purchase.
  After payments over 36 months the van is mine.
I also don't do many miles.
If I had a major issue I won't mess about, I'll hire a van and use my old trolley connected to a 400 litre tank ratchet strapped in hire van.
  Best move you can make, at the end of the day this breakdown will be a costly excercise,
£1500 to get back on the road, less work being done using a car to work from.
and what if the cost or time escalates.?

Mr B

who did you go with Brian?vanarama?ive got no experience of hire purchase at all.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: brianbarber on January 06, 2017, 09:28:08 pm
Bought from ford main dealer, with cheap rate finance, credit check took about 2 mins, job done.

Mr B
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Dave Willis on January 06, 2017, 09:36:56 pm
Daz, if you prang the GTI whilst loaded with barrels you won't be insured. Unless you've had it insured for business.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: deeege on January 06, 2017, 10:35:34 pm
Daz, if you prang the GTI whilst loaded with barrels you won't be insured. Unless you've had it insured for business.

Won't be insured for social or business as it's been remapped and not declared 😳
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: CleanClear on January 07, 2017, 02:32:47 am
oil light came on at about 2pm.i knew their was plenty of oil in the van and the engine seemed fine so carried on working til 4pm.


I've just got to ask this as i'm bored. What do you think the oil light tells you?

Next question: If you had an employee and he drove your van with the oil light on and siezed the engine would you just say..."thats ok" ?

Next Question again: Spruce are you practising your Grannies saying of......."if you've nothing useful to add then say nowt"? !!!   ;D
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 07, 2017, 09:09:32 am
Daz, if you prang the GTI whilst loaded with barrels you won't be insured. Unless you've had it insured for business.

sod off dave!its a stop gap until my vans back on the road.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: toby richards on January 07, 2017, 09:10:26 am
after this happend to me i went to vanarama and pay about £50 a week for a new van which after 4 years i can buy and pay them 6k or upgrade or sell privatly, this might not be the cheepest option but ill tell you what, the security and confort it good
+1
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: p1w1 on January 07, 2017, 09:11:21 am
Get the SWB custom Dazmond, by far the best decision I've  made since I started WFP, love it and it's come in to its own this winter.
What model do you have and payload?
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Spruce on January 07, 2017, 09:18:29 am
oil light came on at about 2pm.i knew their was plenty of oil in the van and the engine seemed fine so carried on working til 4pm.


I've just got to ask this as i'm bored. What do you think the oil light tells you?

Next question: If you had an employee and he drove your van with the oil light on and siezed the engine would you just say..."thats ok" ?

Next Question again: Spruce are you practising your Grannies saying of......."if you've nothing useful to add then say nowt"? !!!   ;D

 ;D ;D

Didn't Daz ask if there was anyone taking the rest of the month off after the holidays?

.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 07, 2017, 09:25:00 am
oil light came on at about 2pm.i knew their was plenty of oil in the van and the engine seemed fine so carried on working til 4pm.


I've just got to ask this as i'm bored. What do you think the oil light tells you?

Next question: If you had an employee and he drove your van with the oil light on and siezed the engine would you just say..."thats ok" ?

Next Question again: Spruce are you practising your Grannies saying of......."if you've nothing useful to add then say nowt"? !!!   ;D

i checked the oil when the oil light came on and it was fine.ive had oil lights come on before on other cars/vans and after checking the oil its been a faulty pressure switch/light.

i never even thought of the oil pump going as im not a mechanic.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 07, 2017, 09:26:40 am
oil light came on at about 2pm.i knew their was plenty of oil in the van and the engine seemed fine so carried on working til 4pm.


I've just got to ask this as i'm bored. What do you think the oil light tells you?

Next question: If you had an employee and he drove your van with the oil light on and siezed the engine would you just say..."thats ok" ?

Next Question again: Spruce are you practising your Grannies saying of......."if you've nothing useful to add then say nowt"? !!!   ;D

 ;D ;D

Didn't Daz ask if there was anyone taking the rest of the month off after the holidays?

.

 ;D ;D

im working today shortly spruce.only half a day to get used to my new system! ;D

best wishes and enjoy your time off!
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Spruce on January 07, 2017, 09:32:36 am
I've actually found this thread quite interesting.

Daz is an interesting character. Nothing seems to get him down and he always looks on the bright side of every problem. I wish I was like that sometimes. He would be one of those who would be polishing the brass of the Titanic as the band played.  ;D After all, who knew that the ship would actually sink until it did?

The thread has also been interesting in that it is an insight into how various cleaners would react if they were in Daz's position. I know how my son would react; he would fit a replacement engine although he doesn't understand that that's not as easy as it was years ago.
Daz  is looking at his long term cost. A simple exercise. £200 a month buying a van is much more a year than £1200 replacing the motor.

The big question I still haven't answered to myself is, what would I do? I know what I would advice as a van salesman but I'm not wearing that cap now. In South Africa, we would have fixed or replaced the engine no question, so that mentality is still in my genes. But I do question throwing large amounts of money at a vehicle that is potentially commercially worthless.

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Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 07, 2017, 09:39:49 am
I've actually found this thread quite interesting.

Daz is an interesting character. Nothing seems to get him down and he always looks on the bright side of every problem. I wish I was like that sometimes. He would be one of those who would be polishing the brass of the Titanic as the band played.  ;D After all, who knew that the ship would actually sink until it did?

The thread has also been interesting in that it is an insight into how various cleaners would react if they were in Daz's position. I know how my son would react; he would fit a replacement engine although he doesn't understand that that's not as easy as it was years ago.
Daz  is looking at his long term cost. A simple exercise. £200 a month buying a van is much more a year than £1200 replacing the motor.

The big question I still haven't answered is, what would I do? I know what I would advice as a van salesman but I'm not wearing that cap now.

.

whatever happens in life you have to get over the disappointment and make the best of whatever situation you find yourself in quickly.(i havent always been like this though spruce.)

the problem with finance is ive had CCJs and had a bad credit history in the past so i dont think id be able to get finance anyway.my missus nearly went out of business last year too so she cant help.so new engine it is. ;D
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Spruce on January 07, 2017, 09:40:49 am
oil light came on at about 2pm.i knew their was plenty of oil in the van and the engine seemed fine so carried on working til 4pm.


I've just got to ask this as i'm bored. What do you think the oil light tells you?

Next question: If you had an employee and he drove your van with the oil light on and siezed the engine would you just say..."thats ok" ?

Next Question again: Spruce are you practising your Grannies saying of......."if you've nothing useful to add then say nowt"? !!!   ;D

 ;D ;D

Didn't Daz ask if there was anyone taking the rest of the month off after the holidays?

.

 ;D ;D

im working today shortly spruce.only half a day to get used to my new system! ;D

best wishes and enjoy your time off!

Good for you Daz. I've had the Queen's cough these past 2 weeks, but I have a commercial clean to do today that should have been done last weekend.

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Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Spruce on January 07, 2017, 09:54:41 am
I've actually found this thread quite interesting.

Daz is an interesting character. Nothing seems to get him down and he always looks on the bright side of every problem. I wish I was like that sometimes. He would be one of those who would be polishing the brass of the Titanic as the band played.  ;D After all, who knew that the ship would actually sink until it did?

The thread has also been interesting in that it is an insight into how various cleaners would react if they were in Daz's position. I know how my son would react; he would fit a replacement engine although he doesn't understand that that's not as easy as it was years ago.
Daz  is looking at his long term cost. A simple exercise. £200 a month buying a van is much more a year than £1200 replacing the motor.

The big question I still haven't answered is, what would I do? I know what I would advice as a van salesman but I'm not wearing that cap now.

.

whatever happens in life you have to get over the disappointment and make the best of whatever situation you find yourself in quickly.(i havent always been like this though spruce.)

the problem with finance is ive had CCJs and had a bad credit history in the past so i dont think id be able to get finance anyway.my missus nearly went out of business last year too so she cant help.so new engine it is. ;D

Under the circumstances applying for credit and it being rejected will make your credit score worse. Your decision makes sense when you consider the finance side of things.

I believe there is a lot we can learn from you Daz. I've smiled at some of the situations you have found yourself in over the years as some have been quite extreme, but in it there is also something we can learn a lesson from.

Human nature is to exaggerate the good we do and play down or pass over the bad experiences.
You don't.  I wonder how many of us would have admitted on this forum to continuing to drive after the oil light came on? I include myself in that question.
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Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 07, 2017, 10:01:12 am
i will NEVER continue to drive a van/car again if the oil light comes on now spruce!even if there is plenty of oil on the dipstick. ::)roll ;D
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Spruce on January 07, 2017, 10:21:26 am
i will NEVER continue to drive a van/car again if the oil light comes on now spruce!even if there is plenty of oil on the dipstick. ::)roll ;D

Lesson learnt then  :)

Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: jk999 on January 07, 2017, 02:10:06 pm
Is that a brand new engine for the 1500
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 07, 2017, 04:47:46 pm
Is that a brand new engine for the 1500

ive no idea mate.ive left it to my mechanic to sort out.it might work out cheaper/more expensive.£1500 is just a ballpark figure. ;)
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: jk999 on January 07, 2017, 05:59:50 pm
Two years ago I had a vauxhall  combo 03 , engine blew up ,i got  another engine from a breakers supplied and fitted plus put through mot for less than £500 . Make sure at that price  that it's not a used engine because if it is it seems a lot for a used engine
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 07, 2017, 06:07:43 pm
Two years ago I had a vauxhall  combo 03 , engine blew up ,i got  another engine from a breakers supplied and fitted plus put through mot for less than £500 . Make sure at that price  that it's not a used engine because if it is it seems a lot for a used engine

i totally trust my garage mate.ive been taking cars and vans there for over 25 years.he wont rip me off.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: CleanClear on January 07, 2017, 07:06:11 pm
Lights on and no one in  ;D
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Dave Willis on January 07, 2017, 07:16:49 pm
You won't get a new engine for that price, that will be reconditioned. Engine from a scrapyard will be less but could be as bad as the one that seized.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Spruce on January 08, 2017, 11:34:55 am
You won't get a new engine for that price, that will be reconditioned. Engine from a scrapyard will be less but could be as bad as the one that seized.

Reconditioned,  Engine exchange - those words scare me.  Those guys are the biggest cowboys out. A reconditioned engine gets fixed with used parts from someone else's exchanged motor.

http://www.jgparts.co.uk/bulletins/rebuilt-reconditioned-remanufactured-engines.htm

I haven't found one person who has had a good experience with exchange engines.

In my days in the motor trade the main dealers would supply a factory reconditioned short block. A new short block was half the price of a new van, but the remanufactured one wasn't much cheaper - they were mostly new with a different label.

I personally would rather try to find a motor from a scrapyard which has a reasonably low mileage that has been written off due to accident damage.

They will have to swap some ecu controlled parts across form his old engine anyway.

The Tddi engines appear to be cheaper than the Tdci, but again the mechanics will know what engine Daz has in his van.
Here a Tddi engine which looks interesting

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ford-focus-transit-connect-1-8-tddi-complete-diesel-engine-Free-P-p-81k-/262772419249?hash=item3d2e74eab1:g:s7QAAOSwnDxUmTAS

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Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Dave Willis on January 08, 2017, 12:07:19 pm
Derlivery  ??? That's put me off straight away.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Shrek on January 08, 2017, 12:45:05 pm
Ooh that's handy 'free click & collect at argos' 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Spruce on January 08, 2017, 04:05:19 pm
Ooh that's handy 'free click & collect at argos' 😂😂😂😂

 ;D
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: tlwcs on January 08, 2017, 04:38:14 pm
Two years ago I had a vauxhall  combo 03 , engine blew up ,i got  another engine from a breakers supplied and fitted plus put through mot for less than £500 . Make sure at that price  that it's not a used engine because if it is it seems a lot for a used engine

i totally trust my garage mate.ive been taking cars and vans there for over 25 years.he wont rip me off.

The same as "I knew I oil in it"
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: the king on January 08, 2017, 09:31:36 pm
i allways thault a recon engine was a second hand engine completly striped cleaned checked then put back togther with new bolts ect so its allmost like a new engine!,
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Darren O on January 08, 2017, 11:04:21 pm
I bought a Renault traffic nearly 2 years ago came with a reconditioned engine in it the engine has been fine but had to replace clutch after 3 months.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Darren O on January 08, 2017, 11:07:47 pm
Meant to say also the guy I bought van of showed me the receipt for new engine it was either £1200 or £1500 and had done 26,000 miles.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: dazmond on January 09, 2017, 07:29:22 am
Meant to say also the guy I bought van of showed me the receipt for new engine it was either £1200 or £1500 and had done 26,000 miles.

cheers darren.the good thing is i can still work while my mechanic sources me an engine. :)
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: the king on January 09, 2017, 11:09:43 am
I bought a Renault traffic nearly 2 years ago came with a reconditioned engine in it the engine has been fine but had to replace clutch after 3 months.
how much was it to replace the cluch also was it the 2.0cdit engine?
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Darren O on January 09, 2017, 12:16:19 pm
£1100 for clutch
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: andyM on January 09, 2017, 03:26:33 pm
i allways thault a recon engine was a second hand engine completly striped cleaned checked then put back togther with new bolts ect so its allmost like a new engine!,

No unfortunately not.
It's all a bit of a lottery.
Spruce's comment says it all really.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on January 09, 2017, 08:40:19 pm
Take a look at warranty Direct Dazmond. I payed  £350 last year for my van warranty and had a gearbox replaced without issue which would have cost me a small fortune. The cover is actually remarkable and I am normally VERY sceptical about these kind of things with small print etc.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: lee_dewing on January 09, 2017, 08:44:21 pm
Sorry to hear that Daz.

If your working from your car and can't fit extra barrels; can you take your resin canister out to work with you and refill at customers?

I know alot of outside taps are off this time of year but alot aren't.

Looking to lease this year was gonna post on here regarding that.

My alternator died just before Xmas 2 weeks prior someone crashed into me and took out headlight.
They paid cash and got done.

Had my ford escort van 12.5 years.

Trouble now new breed vans dearer to repair, that's why I'm thinking about leaseing or buying brand new.

Hope you get sorted.
Might snow soon Daz according to the experts.

So you might have been off anyway 😉

Lee
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: jk999 on January 09, 2017, 09:17:34 pm
Leasing doesn't always mean you get warranty without taking out the xtra cover
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Jonny 87 on January 10, 2017, 07:11:18 am
Leasing doesn't always mean you get warranty without taking out the xtra cover

I think your best only doing a three year lease at max anyway. This means the vehicle will be atleast under the manufacturer warranty.
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: jk999 on January 10, 2017, 07:58:47 am
I agree
Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: Spruce on January 10, 2017, 08:56:04 am
Leasing doesn't always mean you get warranty without taking out the xtra cover

I think your best only doing a three year lease at max anyway. This means the vehicle will be atleast under the manufacturer warranty.


You have to read the small print of each marques' warranty.  Most are 1 year manufacturer's warranty with a 2 year dealer extended warranty. The 2nd and 3rd year are basically a driveline warranty. It's called a warranty not a guarantee.

If you buy a brand new van and find a bulb out a couple of days later you will find that the warranty doesn't cover bulbs, so you pay for a new bulb and pay to fit it.  (If you got it replaced FOC then someone else paid for it on their job card.)

Manufactures sell you the warranty spiel of having peace of mind as it makes it easier for the customer to justify spending all that money. 5 and 7 year warranties aren't worth the paper they are written on tbh. Everything that could go wrong will be classed as 'fair wear and tear' at that stage. 

Even within the 1st year you would have difficulty getting warranty on some items, brake pads are one of them unless a faulty brake caliper caused the issue. In the 2nd and 3rd years you might get a clutch repair done on a shared cost basis after much negotiating with the 'factory'. The excuse is often that the workshop factory representative will need to see the job, but won't be in the area for another 2 weeks. Being a window cleaner will make it harder due to the weight we carry and having a towbar on the back will be the final nail in the warranty coffin, even if its never been used.  And you will hear that a clutch failure is unheard of these days on these models. Our vans would mostly have a low mileage so they will argue we do a lot of stop start. Factory workshop reps have a warranty budget and they get paid a bonus on how much they save.

Of course if the manufacturers are forced into a recall, then the factory is forced to pay for the complete rectification cost no matter what the age or mileage of the vehicle is.  Van's for some reason don't seem to get many recalls.

The salesman gets paid a good commission on selling extended warranties for total peace of mind, most of which were meaningless in that the cover the buyer thought he got and what he actual received were 2 totally different things.  I honestly believed that most extended warranties were sold by sales people who had no idea what they were selling and probably didn't care either.

BTW in all my days in the motor trade I didn't sell one extended warranty because they were worthless as far as I was concerned.  My reputation in the commercial business sector meant more to me as customer trust meant repeat business and recommendations.

And please don't get me started on the anti-perforation warranty joke.


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Title: Re: engine seized on van
Post by: andyM on January 10, 2017, 09:09:57 am
That's a very interesting view Spruce, thanks for sharing.
Out of interest what are your thoughts on other Vehicle Warranty Insurances available from other companies?