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Title: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 01, 2016, 10:15:44 pm
Hi my sure flow pumps hunting all time . There is no air locks battery is fine I have checked everything but pressure  switch could this be the problem any advice would be appreciated cheers kev
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Stoots on December 01, 2016, 10:55:06 pm
Hunting

Love this phrase, my dad says it sometimes. There's sumert wrong with my car bloody engines hunting.

Sick phrase
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 01, 2016, 11:00:37 pm
  ;D lol
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Matt. on December 01, 2016, 11:06:17 pm
U no u can change the pressure switch, Maplin has one that fits for £3
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 01, 2016, 11:12:57 pm
Any chance of putting a link up for it
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Matt. on December 01, 2016, 11:39:47 pm
I haven't got a link mate, only difference with Maplin one is there is an extra connector on it that's not needed just bend it and it snaps off
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 12:17:55 am
I'm sure I have seen picks of this switch  before and it looks nowt like the sureflow one how does it fit new work the pump
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 12:22:30 am
Been on website and nothing comes up for pressure  switch
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: M & C Window Cleaning on December 02, 2016, 01:20:12 am
I think this is the one

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/low-cost-standard-microswitch-gw71n

You take the presser switch housing off the back of the pump and the micro switch fits inside hence why you can't find the part that looks right.

There is also this one one eBay which has a higher current rating and looks to be the right part

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microswitch-Micro-Switch-15A-Shurflo-Caravan-Motorhome-Camper-Boat-Water-Pump-/201677753332?hash=item2ef4ee4bf4:g:NToAAOSwcnpToX3V
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: andyM on December 02, 2016, 06:21:59 am
Yep it's the Maplin GW71N you need.
You will also need to use smaller spade connectors.
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 07:53:50 am
The pressure  switch on pump is the square  bit at end two red wires going into it when you say take housing of what part do you mean
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: andyM on December 02, 2016, 08:27:46 am
The pressure  switch on pump is the square  bit at end two red wires going into it when you say take housing of what part do you mean

That's right JK.
The pressure switch housing is the black square bit.
When you unscrew it you will see the pressure switch inside.
Using a small flat screwdriver you can lever it out of the housing to remove it.
The new pressure switch will slot straight in.   
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 01:05:50 pm
Cheers buddy .do maplins normally have them in stock or have you got to order them
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Smurf on December 02, 2016, 01:09:42 pm
What makes you think its the pressure switch. Meaning what is the pump actually doing when switched on?
Do you run the pump through a digi controller if so does it come up with any errors?

Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: andyM on December 02, 2016, 01:14:01 pm
Cheers buddy .do maplins normally have them in stock or have you got to order them

Normally do.
You can check stock in your local store on their website:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/low-cost-standard-microswitch-gw71n
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Matt. on December 02, 2016, 01:28:18 pm
Maplin have them in stock the link above is the correct one if u unsure still I have a few pumps in the van I can post pic of what u need to do
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: johnny bravo on December 02, 2016, 02:32:49 pm
matt, can you post pis on here for future refference,
thanks
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: johnny bravo on December 02, 2016, 02:35:31 pm
JK have you tested the pump with the bare terminals on the battery to see if pump is ok.      water should come out of the reel if tap is open.     
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 03:00:08 pm
Cheers matt that would be great . Smurf I run it with  just  an on and off switch and one of my pipes have an inline tap but it's open fully .only way I can explain is when it's running  it's sounds like it's trying to stop pump hope this helps
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 03:01:41 pm
Tried everything Johnny I normally can pin point it straight away but this one's got me baffled lol
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Smurf on December 02, 2016, 03:20:25 pm
First of all I would check for any blockages like inline strainer, brush jets etc and for any kinked or collapse hoses including inside the reel itself.  Have you tried running the pump without the hose reel connected. If so what happens then?

Also if you have any hoselock stop type connectors fitted check that they are on fully and not worn/broke. If need be as a test swap them over with normal hoselock type connectors and see what happens then.





Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 03:34:30 pm
It's on a trolly the only thing I haven't checked is the pressure switch  and the hose fitting in use rectus 21 fitting s I have just bought some of those brass ones 26 fitting s I think
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Dave Willis on December 02, 2016, 04:13:15 pm
Could just be an electrical connector, try renewing them but clean the wires up first or trim them fresh. Clean the battery terminals with a bit of wire wool.
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 05:28:25 pm
Checked everything dave  :-[
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: martinw on December 02, 2016, 05:33:06 pm
By any chance do you have strainer with one way valve fitted in your trolley?  if so it could be sticky valve.
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Matt. on December 02, 2016, 06:01:42 pm
I will pop pic up tomora I have 2 pumps in the van which I have take pressure switch off one and put it on other one. Was showing a friend last week hence old pumps in the van.

If the pump is trying to pump an all is well from pump to rectus fitting it may be the connector gone.

I have had pumps that pump are fine wen u at ground level but once the pole goes up the pressure has dropped that's why I have changed them in the past
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 07:50:41 pm
Took the strainer of still doing it
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: M & C Window Cleaning on December 02, 2016, 08:00:19 pm
When you put your finger over the end of the intake hose, can you feel the suction? The reason I ask is that
the only time my pump ever makes the sound I think you're describing is when the intake side is blocked
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 02, 2016, 08:29:49 pm
Will try that tomorrow ok 👍
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 04, 2016, 09:09:57 am
Bit of a daft question can the two wires just be taken of the pressure  switch and attached  to  the  micro switch. And Matt are you still  gonna pop a pic on here cheers Kev
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: johnny bravo on December 04, 2016, 11:09:01 am
recheck all connetions from controller to pump.,  one of my controllers was playing up the other day,  green light flashing , then just going off,   rechecked all wire connections,  double checked fuse,     came straight on,       may be ontroller,  have you a spare to try.
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 04, 2016, 11:41:45 am
It's wired straight to an on off switch Johnny no controller
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: andyM on December 04, 2016, 12:07:31 pm
Bit of a daft question can the two wires just be taken of the pressure  switch and attached  to  the  micro switch. And Matt are you still  gonna pop a pic on here cheers Kev

Bit confused as to what you mean?
The 2 wires are attached to the pump, they are just connected to the pressure switch by spade connectors.
Have yo got the Maplin micro switch and the new correct size spade connectors ready to go?
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 04, 2016, 12:29:54 pm
Going this afternoon. There are two red wires connected to the pressure  switch can those be connected straight to  micro switch without taking  the old one off
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: andyM on December 04, 2016, 12:43:59 pm
Going this afternoon. There are two red wires connected to the pressure  switch can those be connected straight to  micro switch without taking  the old one off

The spades on the Maplin switch are a different size from the original shurflo.
I snipped the original plastic connectors off of the wires and crimped on the correct size spade connectors.
When you are in Maplin's buying the new switch make sure you buy some spade connectors to fit if you don't have an assortment already.
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 04, 2016, 01:54:35 pm
Ok will do. Matt was supposed to be putting some pics on of the micro switch connected up in think
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 04, 2016, 05:01:10 pm
Well I have bought the suggested micro switches from maplins how do i connect it and to which terminal s do i use cheers  Kev
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: andyM on December 04, 2016, 05:06:32 pm
There will be 3 spades on the Maplins microswitch.
Just ignore the middle one and connect the 2 wires to the top and bottom spades.
I marked the bottom wire with some tape before removing the old pressure switch and then connected to the new one in the same order. 
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: M & C Window Cleaning on December 04, 2016, 07:21:14 pm
Had some time to potter so took apart my spare Sureflo. Not done this before but it is straightforward. Word of advise: Do this over a decent surface where you cannot lose small parts.

When you have removed the three screws that holds the PS on you will have this

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_00.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_01.jpg)

Gently prise the two parts apart and separate taking care not to lose the small parts

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_02.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_07.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_12.jpg)

Carefully remove the micro switch

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_05.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_06.jpg)

When reassembled it goes back into the pump body like this

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_08.jpg)

I found this part easiest to assemble as follows

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_13.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_09.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_010.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/Sureflo%20Pump/sureflo_ps_11.jpg)

Then screw the assembled PS back onto the pump body taking care to line up the two small lugs

Hope this helps  :)



Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 04, 2016, 07:29:25 pm
Luvely  cheers  buddy if it works it will save loads of money
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: Matt. on December 05, 2016, 06:58:15 pm
Perfect pics there, 👍
 I haven't had chance at all to take the top off the other pump to take an post pics, av been flat out all weekend.

Just be careful wen u take it apart that spring don't shoot off somewhere, as said above regarding the Maplin one has an extra prong on it I just snap it off.

Official shurflo ones r £35 I think

Maplin are about £3

Have no doubts about it working mate, u will be back to Maplin next week for a few spares
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: M & C Window Cleaning on December 05, 2016, 07:14:42 pm
I think the official Surflo one includes the housing it sits in as well. Makes it an expensive bit of plastic molding.
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 05, 2016, 08:06:28 pm
One of window cleaning supplies on here sell the proper micro switch for sureflow it's just over £4 think it's wintecs
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 13, 2016, 06:34:37 pm
I would like to thank the guys that helped me it was defo the pressure switch I put in a new micro  switch and it's  working fine cheers lads ☺👍
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: M & C Window Cleaning on December 13, 2016, 06:50:34 pm
Great stuff. Glad to hear it. You'll be buying a few of them to keep as spares now I'll bet  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sureflow pump hunting mystery?
Post by: jk999 on December 13, 2016, 07:17:16 pm
Oh I definitely loads