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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: chris turner on November 21, 2016, 07:38:45 pm
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As per title, what sort of returns does a half decent site generate?
I had one for a few years, fairly basic but on the first page of Google. It was one of those design it yourself jobbies, using a set template. Didn't look great and the mobile optimisation was appalling.
I had very little gains from it so closed it.
My business grew by other means, leaflets, recommendations, van sign writing etc. I even bought a round a couple of years ago which filled my books to beyond capacity, so never really needed a website.
However after Xmas I want to refine, push for new higher priced regular work. Not sure about anyone else but I get a bit sick of cleaning the same houses over and over. I have a section of my round I want to replace with new, hopefully better work.
I also really enjoy gutter clearing with the vac, more so then cleaning windows.
What I would really like is only 3 days of high priced window cleaning, then 2 days a week of gutter clearing booked in.
Does anyone work like this and if so, how much of this work/leads come from a website?
Thanks in advance me ol' muckers🤣
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I'm first for all my target keywords. I use Adwords as well. It brings in a tiny fraction of my work. That said I focus on window cleaning. Perhaps targeting gutter clearance might be more successful?? Or conny roofs?
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I get plenty of welcome work from my website, but you know that already.
Im surprised you dont feel a tad hypocritical asking how to acquire quality work.
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I guess it depends on what areas your targeting and how many window cleaners there are already are around and I guess also your targeted clientele
Nathanael re designed mine a while ago very pleased with it, probably needs a little updating. At some point
I had to stop mine last year with one those google ranking companies as it generated too much new work to cope with
Now I just let it run in its own right and I get about 5-10 new jobs a month, slower in certain months,
In new year I'm going to re activate and re target some areas and few new areas I work in to change a few my clients as I no longer wish to work high level work so I need to generate about £1000 new work
Website for me is over 90% of where my new work comes from and randomly face book communities recommending me
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I'm first for all my target keywords. I use Adwords as well. It brings in a tiny fraction of my work. That said I focus on window cleaning. Perhaps targeting gutter clearance might be more successful?? Or conny roofs?
Ideally I want the site to target window and gutter clearing. Not con roofs or fascias, can't stand them.
I know very little on how keywords or AdWords work so will have to get up to scratch on all that once the site is up.
Will probably get nat Jones to do it as most on here seem to recommend him.
How much of your work comes from your site 8 weekly?
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I get plenty of welcome work from my website, but you know that already.
Im surprised you dont feel a tad hypocritical asking how to acquire quality work.
Iv got some quality work, I just want all of it to be quality.
There's a few days that pop up in my rounds where I take one look at it, sigh, and think 'not this sh!t again'.
Plus the work I bought a couple of years ago is all 10-15 miles from me, I want some more local stuff, unless commercial.
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Wordpress seems to be one of the best website builders, easy to do yourself, that's what I used.
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I guess it depends on what areas your targeting and how many window cleaners there are already are around and I guess also your targeted clientele
Nathanael re designed mine a while ago very pleased with it, probably needs a little updating. At some point
I had to stop mine last year with one those google ranking companies as it generated too much new work to cope with
Now I just let it run in its own right and I get about 5-10 new jobs a month, slower in certain months,
In new year I'm going to re activate and re target some areas and few new areas I work in to change a few my clients as I no longer wish to work high level work so I need to generate about £1000 new work
Website for me is over 90% of where my new work comes from and randomly face book communities recommending me
I'd be happy with 5-10 leads a month, especially if half the leads were gutters.
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About 1 or 2 a month on top of the 5 -10 are gutters which I just sub out, as I'm not interested anymore in gutters cleaning . everything I don't do Is sub through a second partnership
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I guess unless you can get any of a website landing pages on first page of google organic search result then a website would be a total waste of time if you ask me. Meaning people browsing the tinternet only tend to look at the first page of organic search results browsing on any type of tinternet device. Most if like me would also ignore any paid ads (google adwords) too.
That's the first tricky bit out of the way but how do you get them to.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF95MMcn_B0
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A bad website should generate double what it costs to run it - a good website should do much more.
Its also one of those "the more you put into it, the more you get out" things too - - websites aren't the static things they used to be and regularly updating them, adding to the blog, using social media etc etc can increase a sites performance massively. Google loves well written, fresh, unique & relevant content - so keep adding to your site every week or two. :)
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A bad website should generate double what it costs to run it - a good website should do much more.
Its also one of those "the more you put into it, the more you get out" things too - - websites aren't the static things they used to be and regularly updating them, adding to the blog, using social media etc etc can increase a sites performance massively. Google loves well written, fresh, unique & relevant content - so keep adding to your site every week or two. :)
Thanks nat, il be in touch sometime soon.
I had a quick look at your site yesterday, what package do you recommend for a sole trader targeting window and gutter clearing, plus a payment page so I can integrate go cardless at some point?
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I guess unless you can get any of a website landing pages on first page of google organic search result then a website would be a total waste of time if you ask me.
I would not necessarily agree with that, because being found by searching is not the only purpose of a website.
It may be that you'd like customers to have somewhere to go for more information after delivering a leaflet campaign for example. Whenever a leaflet comes to my door, if I'm interested in it the first thing I do is look at the website. You don't need google for that, you simply type the web address in off the leaflet.
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Its like everything else Chris it will depend on supply and demand, if you have plenty of demand and little supply then a
website will or should generate a good return, but if your in an area with a few Mick Kent hard canvassing types they will
be grabbing the work while your sitting back at home waiting for it to come to you.
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I guess unless you can get any of a website landing pages on first page of google organic search result then a website would be a total waste of time if you ask me.
I would not necessarily agree with that, because being found by searching is not the only purpose of a website.
It may be that you'd like customers to have somewhere to go for more information after delivering a leaflet campaign for example. Whenever a leaflet comes to my door, if I'm interested in it the first thing I do is look at the website. You don't need google for that, you simply type the web address in off the leaflet.
Peter I was referring to internet organic search engine page ranking generated enquiries. Not someone entering a website address they got from a flyer, vans etc they might have seen as that is obvious some may want to look at the site first.
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Its like everything else Chris it will depend on supply and demand, if you have plenty of demand and little supply then a
website will or should generate a good return, but if your in an area with a few Mick Kent hard canvassing types they will
be grabbing the work while your sitting back at home waiting for it to come to you.
That's the thing Sean, I'm not desperate for work as already full enough for one man. Its more a case of refining what I have and having a steady trickle of gutter work coming in.
I'm more then happy for people to come to me at a relatively steady pace.
I have no interest in employing so don't need work quickly.
I want a break from cleaning the same houses over and over and over, so want the gutter work to be a better earner.
I'm also thinking about offering bespoke one off cleans at top prices, just to break up the norm.
3 days doing regulars is more then enough for me, if I can somehow get 2 days a week of gutters/ one offs and maybe some con roofs then I would be happy.
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It depends a lot on how much competition you have locally - - usually I'd say look at your top 10 competitors websites and see how many pages they have on average. If your budget allows, go a couple of pages bigger & pack the pages full of keyword rich content.
If your budget is tight, go for as many pages as you can but add content to the blog regularly to help the site be nice & visible to Google.
Thanks nat, il be in touch sometime soon.
I had a quick look at your site yesterday, what package do you recommend for a sole trader targeting window and gutter clearing, plus a payment page so I can integrate go cardless at some point?
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Its like everything else Chris it will depend on supply and demand, if you have plenty of demand and little supply then a
website will or should generate a good return, but if your in an area with a few Mick Kent hard canvassing types they will
be grabbing the work while your sitting back at home waiting for it to come to you.
That's the thing Sean, I'm not desperate for work as already full enough for one man. Its more a case of refining what I have and having a steady trickle of gutter work coming in.
I'm more then happy for people to come to me at a relatively steady pace.
I have no interest in employing so don't need work quickly.
I want a break from cleaning the same houses over and over and over, so want the gutter work to be a better earner.
I'm also thinking about offering bespoke one off cleans at top prices, just to break up the norm.
3 days doing regulars is more then enough for me, if I can somehow get 2 days a week of gutters/ one offs and maybe some con roofs then I would be happy.
I hear what you are saying as cleaning windows day in day out would do my head as is so mind numbingly boring.
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It depends a lot on how much competition you have locally - - usually I'd say look at your top 10 competitors websites and see how many pages they have on average. If your budget allows, go a couple of pages bigger & pack the pages full of keyword rich content.
If your budget is tight, go for as many pages as you can but add content to the blog regularly to help the site be nice & visible to Google.
Thanks nat, il be in touch sometime soon.
I had a quick look at your site yesterday, what package do you recommend for a sole trader targeting window and gutter clearing, plus a payment page so I can integrate go cardless at some point?
My old site if I recall correctly had 34 pages of b******s, it looked crap but generated loads of work all the same. That is until they invented internet mobile devices ;D
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I think it depends a bit where you live/cover as to how successful a website will be. In my case there are about 10 small towns that I cover. It's an impossibility to rank well on all of them because you will dilute your keywords if you build them all in without each town having its own site/page.
If however you are focussing on a large town, e.g. Bristol, you'll have more competition, but it's going to be a popular search term and easy to target.
In my opinion, if you are using other means of gaining customers like leafleting, canvassing etc, web inquiries are going to be a small percentage. Note the chap above that says 5-10 a month. That's not that many compared to other avenues.
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I think it depends a bit where you live/cover as to how successful a website will be. In my case there are about 10 small towns that I cover. It's an impossibility to rank well on all of them because you will dilute your keywords if you build them all in without each town having its own site/page.
If however you are focussing on a large town, e.g. Bristol, you'll have more competition, but it's going to be a popular search term and easy to target.
In my opinion, if you are using other means of gaining customers like leafleting, canvassing etc, web inquiries are going to be a small percentage. Note the chap above that says 5-10 a month. That's not that many compared to other avenues.
Individual landing pages and good bit of seo per page would sort that out
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I'm no expert on web design or seo but as for an example I was having a play with my wordpress site to update it a bit and added a page for a new service I wanted on the site. Then once finished with the page and done the seo bit I resubmitted the site to google to crawl again. Within 24 hours that new page was ranked and visible on the first page of google organic search result.
I was chuffed to bits to say the least so just goes to show a numpty like me can do it anyone can. ;D
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My site ranks about third for my city for window cleaning but generated next to nowt. It's simple if people are not searching for your keyword then there's no point ranking for it
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I think it depends a bit where you live/cover as to how successful a website will be. In my case there are about 10 small towns that I cover. It's an impossibility to rank well on all of them because you will dilute your keywords if you build them all in without each town having its own site/page.
If however you are focussing on a large town, e.g. Bristol, you'll have more competition, but it's going to be a popular search term and easy to target.
In my opinion, if you are using other means of gaining customers like leafleting, canvassing etc, web inquiries are going to be a small percentage. Note the chap above that says 5-10 a month. That's not that many compared to other avenues.
Individual landing pages and good bit of seo per page would sort that out
Which I said in my post, but it's a lot more work and still is only a fraction of what other forms of marketing deliver - but it's passive I guess.
My biggest bugbear with web inquiries is that often the customer gets competitive quotes and the cheapest gets the job. With a leaflet you just get a call and you get the job.
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My site ranks about third for my city for window cleaning but generated next to nowt. It's simple if people are not searching for your keyword then there's no point ranking for it
I tried finding "window cleaners in leeds" which is an obvious search term but your site did not show up at all that I could see.
Also "window cleaners wakefield" same again not found your site. No wonder you are not getting any enquires by peeps searching on the tinternet as they can't see your site ::)roll
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Just searched for window cleaners in my area, on the first page of Google only 3 direct links to sites pop up, the rest is all yell, checkatrade etc.
Also done a slightly wider area search, a few more come up, generally having 4 pages of content.
The ones with more pages were the companies that offered things like jet washing, render cleaning etc.
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This was doing a search for "window cleaning leeds"
Found on page 3
Thompson Window Cleaning Wakefield | Gutter Cleaning Leeds ...
thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/
Window cleaning Wakefield. Are you looking for a friendly, efficient,regular window cleaning service. Look no further than Thompson window cleaning.
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Around 90% for us.
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James how is that render cleaning site doing?
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Around 90% for us.
Wow that's good.
How much do you spend on your website to generate that much?
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As I love winding up slack bladder, I might just build a WordPress site and copy his site word for word. Il use the many pictures he's posted on these forums over the years to ;D ;D ;D
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If you’re any good at it I’ll get lots of phone calls then. Crack on, I’ll let you know how effective it is.
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This and many more google ads keep appearing on google searches for render cleaning ::)roll
Render Cleaning - Clean, Restore & Protect Render - Purple-Rhino.co.uk
Adwww.purple-rhino.co.uk/
Free Test Cleaning Offer.
Trusted by Blue Chip · As Good As New · Guaranteed Results · Free site survey · 24/7 availability
Get A Free Quote Today Industrial Render Clean Stunning Render Jobs Luxury Render Clean
I'm listed forth on the first page organic search results for my area and it costs me bugger all. Oh and I only added the new page to the site 2 days ago ;D
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As I love winding up slack bladder, I might just build a WordPress site and copy his site word for word. Il use the many pictures he's posted on these forums over the years to ;D ;D ;D
If memory serves me right he once did that himself ;D
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It's very easy to clone a site but google don't like it for some strange reason lol
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As I love winding up slack bladder, I might just build a WordPress site and copy his site word for word. Il use the many pictures he's posted on these forums over the years to ;D ;D ;D
If memory serves me right he once did that himself ;D
You got to start somewhere.
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It's very easy to clone a site but google don't like it for some strange reason lol
Its obvious why.
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If you’re any good at it I’ll get lots of phone calls then. Crack on, I’ll let you know how effective it is.
Your probably right there as we're pretty close to each other. I even drove past you a couple of years ago over in tadley ;)
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Close? You mean you love me?
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Close? You mean you love me?
Maybe a little, you have taken some great pics for my new site, how can I not show you some love xxx
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You only want me for my pictures.
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You only want me for my pictures.
;D
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My site ranks about third for my city for window cleaning but generated next to nowt. It's simple if people are not searching for your keyword then there's no point ranking for it
I tried finding "window cleaners in leeds" which is an obvious search term but your site did not show up at all that I could see.
Also "window cleaners wakefield" same again not found your site. No wonder you are not getting any enquires by peeps searching on the tinternet as they can't see your site ::)roll
Its wakefield I cover, I don't target leeds.
The site is not the one in my profile.
It's www.thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk
I've done keyword analysis.. window cleaning wakefield doesn't get much search traffic
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Adam if you don't target leeds why is it mentioned on the site structure and content ???
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/conservatory-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/gutter-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/driveway-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/prices-window-cleaner-wakefield/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/faq-window-cleaner-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/contact-us-window-cleaning-leeds-wakefield/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/blog/
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Adam if you don't target leeds why is it mentioned on the site structure and content ???
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/conservatory-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/gutter-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/driveway-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/prices-window-cleaner-wakefield/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/faq-window-cleaner-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/contact-us-window-cleaning-leeds-wakefield/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/blog/
http://alturl.com/c8jjk
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Lots of content copied from the same site to other sites. Not good.
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Ive just checked some of the content on my site, its remarkable how much is stolen to be used elsewhere. Rather depressing.
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Its like everything else Chris it will depend on supply and demand, if you have plenty of demand and little supply then a
website will or should generate a good return, but if your in an area with a few Mick Kent hard canvassing types they will
be grabbing the work while your sitting back at home waiting for it to come to you.
That's the thing Sean, I'm not desperate for work as already full enough for one man. Its more a case of refining what I have and having a steady trickle of gutter work coming in.
I'm more then happy for people to come to me at a relatively steady pace.
I have no interest in employing so don't need work quickly.
I want a break from cleaning the same houses over and over and over, so want the gutter work to be a better earner.
I'm also thinking about offering bespoke one off cleans at top prices, just to break up the norm.
3 days doing regulars is more then enough for me, if I can somehow get 2 days a week of gutters/ one offs and maybe some con roofs then I would be happy.
I hear what you are saying as cleaning windows day in day out would do my head as is so mind numbingly boring.
you make out as if gutter clearing/render cleaning is a lot more interesting.its not! ;D ;D
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Here's a nice one http://www.swindongutterclearing.uk/
Yeeeha!
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Do they clear guttering by any chance? ;D
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Its like everything else Chris it will depend on supply and demand, if you have plenty of demand and little supply then a
website will or should generate a good return, but if your in an area with a few Mick Kent hard canvassing types they will
be grabbing the work while your sitting back at home waiting for it to come to you.
That's the thing Sean, I'm not desperate for work as already full enough for one man. Its more a case of refining what I have and having a steady trickle of gutter work coming in.
I'm more then happy for people to come to me at a relatively steady pace.
I have no interest in employing so don't need work quickly.
I want a break from cleaning the same houses over and over and over, so want the gutter work to be a better earner.
I'm also thinking about offering bespoke one off cleans at top prices, just to break up the norm.
3 days doing regulars is more then enough for me, if I can somehow get 2 days a week of gutters/ one offs and maybe some con roofs then I would be happy.
I hear what you are saying as cleaning windows day in day out would do my head as is so mind numbingly boring.
you make out as if gutter clearing/render cleaning is a lot more interesting.its not! ;D ;D
It's probably more to do with the buzz factor afterwards that you tend not to get when just cleaning glass.
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Ive just checked some of the content on my site, its remarkable how much is stolen to be used elsewhere. Rather depressing.
How do you do that mate, be interesting to find out
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I just copy and paste it into google. Although you can use a website called copyscape, but thats unreliable in my experience.
Ive just phoned up a company that have nicked a wedge of text from one of my pages. The guy went off on one telling me what their turnover was (what that had to do with it is beyond me) and that they’re also number one with various search terms in google (what the hell that has that got to do with copyright theft is also beyond me). Anyway, then he moved onto stage two, the ‘lets try and talk over and shout me down’ stage ;)
Anyway, I was eventually told to feck-off and that they’d be blocking my phone number, then he put the phone down, loudly and promptly. Ho humm ;)
Its funny (bizarre funny) when people get angry and can’t maintain an element of dignity because theres a disagreement. I suppose theres other routes by which it can be enforced if talking is out of the equation.
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I had copy stolen. I wrote and told them that it was copyright, future use would be charged at £1 per day.
They ignored if. I send them an invoice for £30 after 30 days. They ignored it.
I sent a Thomas Higgins Letter and the copy changed overnight.
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Result!
Did they also pay up the added charges incurred including admin costs etc?
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Adam if you don't target leeds why is it mentioned on the site structure and content ???
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/conservatory-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/gutter-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/driveway-cleaning-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/prices-window-cleaner-wakefield/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/faq-window-cleaner-leeds/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/contact-us-window-cleaning-leeds-wakefield/
http://thompsonwindowcleaning.co.uk/blog/
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Well I'm based right on the edge of Leeds and wakefield, I'm in the middle. All my window work is in wakefield . So my home page ranks for window cleaning wakefield. The other pages mainly target leeds for gutter cleaning and conservatory cleaning, driveway cleaning and bigger jobs, Reason being is wakefield is not highly searched for these terms whereas leeds has a higher search volume plus is much bigger and more affluent
The only page that shouldn't be there is window cleaner leeds but I added it just because it was easy to.
To be honest offering so many services and being in the middle of two city's had always been a dilema in terms of seo. For the site to rank well it should just focus on one city with the associated google places page and social media links. By targetting both city's I'm reducing it's potential to rank but if I go with a two separate sites the second one won't have a Google places page or social media linked to it as you can only use one location and social media back links per website. Leeds is much harder to rank than wakefield btw.
The thing is it ranks top near the top for window cleaning wakefield and it ranks top few for conservatory cleaning leeds so I'm a bit reluctant to separate it.
In short it's a bit of a mess lol. One day when i can afgord it i'll pay for two sites doing properly
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I think I did nick a wedge of text lol. When I built that site a couple of years ago I threw some text on and some images, some of it likely stolen juat to add some body to see what it looked like with the intention of changing it. But was has happened is I have neglected the site,it's still not finished and there spelling errors and all sorts of errors on it. It really needs re vamping but I just can't be arsed. Might just pay for one doing they start out with good intentions but once you realise how much work is involved in maintaining and seo it goes out the window
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Adam as I see your dilemma. If it's any conciliation I no wp website guru either as I'm learning as I go along.
Can I ask which wp seo plugin are you using?
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Ive just spoken to another company regarding copied text and the guy couldn’t have been nicer.
Asked for a week before its addressed, although he’s going to speak to his web guys today. Pleasure when it goes smoothly. Shame about the spaz this morning ;)
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The get out card is to always blame the web design guys. "Sorry I did not realise and will get the web design guys to sort it asap"...Not my fault honest guv. ;D ;D
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Adam as I see your dilemma. If it's any conciliation I no wp website guru either as I'm learning as I go along.
Can I ask which wp seo plugin are you using?
I used yoast, tbh its been ages since i messed with the site and ive probably forgotten a lot of stuff, its fun learning but frustrating as well
A couple of months ago i decided to do a new site just targetting wakefield www.thompsoncleaning.co.uk with the intention of making the other one soley leeds, but as you can see i havent got right far with this either, i get bored
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Nice pic on the home page by the way as I remember that job very well. That time I did not fall into the pond ;D ;D
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Is it one of yours smurf?
I have seen it before on a forum im sure, i cant remember where i borrowed it from, it will be removed at some point i promise
Its not very high res >:(
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Yes its mine but don't worry about it for now as I'm sure you will find a better high res pic maybe from slack bladders site ;D ;D
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All quality on my site ;)
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Oi leave slacks site alone, he only shares that content with his lovers.
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;D ;D
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This took less than 12 hours to sort out ol’ motor-mouth from yesterday morning.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1479996681_Screenshot_2016-11-24 14.10.20_UbFbWE.png)
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Nasty bit of work that Mathew Bateman, good for you that will sort him out.
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Call it what you want. It affects sites google rankings. If I didn’t want a site that ranked well in google I’d save my money.
I doubt it’ll sort him out, but I’ll sort the way his site affects my sites google rankings though. He should’ve spent a few minutes comprising his own text. He’s only got himself to blame.
(http://worldartsme.com/images/oil-dip-stick-clipart-1.jpg)
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And it wont be the last. Theres a number of other sites with stolen work. They’ll be asked nicely to remove it, if they don’t agree then they get reported. I took those steps with the other guy because of his manner on the phone. All he had to do was compromise and agree to a little bit of editing, instead he decided to throw his rattle out the pram. Not exactly conducive behaviour to someone who wants to settle a dispute is it.
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So I guess they have to inform that chump the reason why his site is blocked now.
I'm betting you may get a call from him very soon. But I don't think it is going to be a very pleasant one somehow ::)roll
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When you submit a Takedown Notice you obviously have to include your details, which are also passed on to the individual concerned, you have to agree to this when you submit the Notice.
He knows who I am as I explained when I called him, my address is on my website. He stole the copyright, not me. He’d be a muppet if he tried to take it any further. But he’s welcome to should he decide to go down that avenue.
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Is your site WordPress slack?
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Yup
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Had the same today. Some guy nicked a solar panel picture of hours. Hopefully he'll remove it without fuss.
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Yup
Looks good. How easy is it to do and what package did you get?
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I find it easy to do with Wordpress. You just need to download the WP software and install into your hosting package. Then choose a theme and install that via the WP software which you’ve already installed.
Start building the site from there.
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The theme Im currently using is Melos Pro.
http://www.thinkupthemes.com/themes/melos/
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Cool thanks. Is that the business package?
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Dunno ;D
What you mean, WordPress business package?
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Looks good slack.
It is fairly simple to build a site, but it requires patience at first when learning.
I have just bought this theme, well its a builder of sorts, you can use it as a theme or use child themes with it.
https://www.elegantthemes.com/gallery/divi/
I really should get mine sorted
On the subject i was on about earlier, ive noticed a company local to me who targets multiple citys and locations has created a google place business listing for each web page ,i.e gutter cleaning leeds, conservatory cleaning wakefield, window cleaning sheffield etc etc each have there own web page and associated business listing on google plus.
they are using multiple physical addresses! wonder how they are pulling this off as google send a verification card to your address, crafty idea but a bit dodgy surely? great for seo though
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Dunno ;D
What you mean, WordPress business package?
Yea that's the one, £20 a month.
There's so many options out there, it's all a bit mind boggling for someone who knows very little on websites, hosting, seo etc.
Do I use one of the recommended guys like nat or mike at studio art or do I do it myself with the likes of WordPress, 1on1 etc.
I only want a nice simple site that's easy to find, easy to navigate and picks me up a few extra jobs!
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Well, I use Tsohost, it's about £4.00 a month for as many sites as you like.
So long as you're reasonably cool with PC speak and all things technical it's easy. I'm lucky, I've always found computing easy. I'd try it myself if I were you, you've only got 4 squid a month to lose. If you're halfway through and still struggling give Nat a shout.
The reason I like to do it all is that being hands on you can manage all the extras, plugins for various reasons, the SEO, new pages and updates, especially pics (with vans :) ) !!
AND!!! You get it to look EXACTLY how you want it, without having a game of e-mail ping pong with your web designer. Or having to email them pictures and resizing them and tell them what you want and what to say, feck that, pain in the ariss-hole.
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Going back to that £20 a month charge, I still don't know what that's for, is that what your ISP wants monthly to host a WordPress package? Cos they're ripping you a new one if that's what they want.
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Going back to that £20 a month charge, I still don't know what that's for, is that what your ISP wants monthly to host a WordPress package? Cos they're ripping you a new one if that's what they want.
If you go on WordPress.com they have different packages to build your site. The £20 business package includes advanced seo etc.
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Tso host for me.
Think 4 -5 quid a month for up to 6 domains
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Going back to that £20 a month charge, I still don't know what that's for, is that what your ISP wants monthly to host a WordPress package? Cos they're ripping you a new one if that's what they want.
If you go on WordPress.com they have different packages to build your site. The £20 business package includes advanced seo etc.
I've never paid WP a penny nor been asked to.
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Wordpress.com is a bad option - its a trimmed down version of wordpress hosted on their servers at a premium price.
If you go with a hosting package from TSO like Slack recommended, then you can install the full version of wordpress (as seen on wordpress.org - not .com), pay a lot less money each month & have a lot more options.
Wordpress is childsplay to use -especially if you choose a theme that uses the visual composer system. :)
Going back to that £20 a month charge, I still don't know what that's for, is that what your ISP wants monthly to host a WordPress package? Cos they're ripping you a new one if that's what they want.
If you go on WordPress.com they have different packages to build your site. The £20 business package includes advanced seo etc.
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Wordpress.com is a bad option - its a trimmed down version of wordpress hosted on their servers at a premium price.
If you go with a hosting package from TSO like Slack recommended, then you can install the full version of wordpress (as seen on wordpress.org - not .com), pay a lot less money each month & have a lot more options.
Wordpress is childsplay to use -especially if you choose a theme that uses the visual composer system. :)
Going back to that £20 a month charge, I still don't know what that's for, is that what your ISP wants monthly to host a WordPress package? Cos they're ripping you a new one if that's what they want.
If you go on WordPress.com they have different packages to build your site. The £20 business package includes advanced seo etc.
Thanks nat that clears things up, I was just going by the WordPress.com site.
Not doing anything until the new year but want to get my head around the best options before I go ahead.
The site I had a few years ago was a cheap Google diy site, built by myself, looked awful and tbh I didn't have a clue what I was clicking on most of the time ;D
I rarely even go on a computer these days, everything is done on my phone. Anything that needs doing on the laptop is the missis duty!
With the change of direction i want to go in next year then a site is a must, I just want something where I don't have to be to hands on after the initial building stage.
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Wordpress should be perfect for you then - the interface is all web based, so you can work it from your phone (Though it is much easier IMO on a bigger screen) and after its setup, apart from occasional tweaks & adding to your blog, there really isn't any onging work involved. :)
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Wordpress should be perfect for you then - the interface is all web based, so you can work it from your phone (Though it is much easier IMO on a bigger screen) and after its setup, apart from occasional tweaks & adding to your blog, there really isn't any onging work involved. :)
Nice one. But shouldn't you be trying to sell me one of your site's rather then encouraging me to use wordpress ;D
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This is one of those situations where being nice makes great business sense.
DIY sites are great starting out & many people haven't got the budget to pay me to build a site for them,... so if I can help them build a site themselves that brings in customers & helps their business grow, a couple of years from now when that site needs updating they'll have less time, more cash, and a positive impression of my services,.. so I'll probably get work out of it in the long run anyway. I've even got a Youtube channel with tutorials showing people how to build a site from start to finish. :)
Nice one. But shouldn't you be trying to sell me one of your site's rather then encouraging me to use wordpress ;D
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This is one of those situations where being nice makes great business sense.
DIY sites are great starting out & many people haven't got the budget to pay me to build a site for them,... so if I can help them build a site themselves that brings in customers & helps their business grow, a couple of years from now when that site needs updating they'll have less time, more cash, and a positive impression of my services,.. so I'll probably get work out of it in the long run anyway. I've even got a Youtube channel with tutorials showing people how to build a site from start to finish. :)
Nice one. But shouldn't you be trying to sell me one of your site's rather then encouraging me to use wordpress ;D
Got ya.
Budget is not really an issue for me (well within reason, not spending 3k on a site!), It's more about what will suit my needs.
I'm not a business looking to grow, more a business looking to change, at a steady pace.
That's why I can't decide on a full blown top notch site with all the bells and whistles or something simpler that's easy to maintain and will bring in a trickle of work.
Both have there pros and cons so will have to think about it.
I appreciate your honesty and help though nat 👍.
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It is possible to do "all the bells & whistles" and still keep it low maintenance,... If you're not trying to grow the business & going crazy for first place rankings then you can cut right back on the updates & blog posts - so long as the main content is put together properly & the titles/tags etc for each page are SEO'd day one. ;)