Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on October 28, 2016, 09:37:22 am
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How do you know when to change your resin?
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When the reading starts to rise to zero.
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When the reading starts to rise to zero.
😂😂
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We have to borrow a conductive metering from a process lab who make UPW.
We give them the reading then they advise.
However we use PPT now.
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We have to borrow a conductive metering from a process lab who make UPW.
We give them the reading then they advise.
However we use PPT now.
Do you use less than 0 ppt?
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We have to borrow a conductive metering from a process lab who make UPW.
We give them the reading then they advise.
However we use PPT now.
Parts per trillion!!!!!
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We have to borrow a conductive metering from a process lab who make UPW.
We give them the reading then they advise.
However we use PPT now.
Parts per trillion!!!!!
Pffft.
I only use less than 0 ppq (parts-per-quadrillion)
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I cleaned at 27ppb
Am I safe?
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Yea, its a lot less than nothing, you’ll be fine.
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I suppose if the tank gets to zero parts per million you dump it? 'Cos that water would be filthy in comparison. I guess the nuclear resin takes it down far cleaner than zero parts per million too? God it must be cleaner than holy water?
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We have to borrow a conductive metering from a process lab who make UPW.
We give them the reading then they advise.
However we use PPT now.
How do you produce ppt?
Got any pics of your setup?
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I heard that holy water comes from a tap!!!!
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When the reading starts to rise to zero.
;D
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When the reading starts to rise to zero.
;D
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I take it due to the responses no one in the right mind is going to own up to having a PPB system now.
Shame really as I would have liked to find out what they thought of it.
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I have one and you change the nuclear resin once you have used 4 normal resin filters so change it about twice a year cost about £165 a year.
Love the system whether you get better results with it still undecided, what I would say as ionic used it as a good marketing tool to sell systems and I know they have sold loads of them when quoting for new business we add the fact that we use parts per billion and as most have not got a clue what that means but it makes you different from the rest and we have got loads of new work from it
As for the cost by the time you take off the vat, tax relief the cost is very small especially as most on here are earning £200 a day or they wont get out of bed
We will be looking to add another system at the beginning of next year and it will be a ppb
Martin
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Love the system whether you get better results with it still undecided,
How long you had it?
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12 months
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12 months
I'd guess that if after a year you're still undecided the difference is very slight at best.
If the additional cost is outweighed by gains in business then I guess it's a no-brainer for you. Interestingly though what's to stop me telling customers I'm ppb with my lowly ppm system?
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if it works go for it
you will get good results from most systems as long as they are maintained
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I have one and you change the nuclear resin once you have used 4 normal resin filters so change it about twice a year cost about £165 a year.
Love the system whether you get better results with it still undecided, what I would say as ionic used it as a good marketing tool to sell systems and I know they have sold loads of them when quoting for new business we add the fact that we use parts per billion and as most have not got a clue what that means but it makes you different from the rest and we have got loads of new work from it
As for the cost by the time you take off the vat, tax relief the cost is very small especially as most on here are earning £200 a day or they wont get out of bed
We will be looking to add another system at the beginning of next year and it will be a ppb
Martin
Nuclear resin? ;D
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Nuclear resin? ;D
Yup. That's what ppb water is mainly used for. Nuclear reactors.
http://www.purolite.com/RelId/606306/isvars/default/nuclear_grade_mixed_bed.htm
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12 months
12 months and you don’t know if the windows are cleaner? And it cost you how much?
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Ring June at gaps water and see what she says about window cleaners using Nuclear resin,I asked her if it was worth buying a 25 litre bag for
&200 and she laughed at me down the phone.
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Ring June at gaps water and see what she says about window cleaners using Nuclear resin,I asked her if it was worth buying a 25 litre bag for
&200 and she laughed at me down the phone.
Not surprised as you used an ampersand (google it) and not a pound.
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Parts per billion better results than 000 ppm? Utter drivel. Emperor's new clothes comes to mind. ::)roll
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I have one and you change the nuclear resin once you have used 4 normal resin filters so change it about twice a year cost about £165 a year.
Would you like to buy some magic beans from me?
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Some good advice, here.
And I've only read from the -12 post.
I'll read the rest yesterday.
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I have one and you change the nuclear resin once you have used 4 normal resin filters so change it about twice a year cost about £165 a year.
Love the system whether you get better results with it still undecided, what I would say as ionic used it as a good marketing tool to sell systems and I know they have sold loads of them when quoting for new business we add the fact that we use parts per billion and as most have not got a clue what that means but it makes you different from the rest and we have got loads of new work from it
As for the cost by the time you take off the vat, tax relief the cost is very small especially as most on here are earning £200 a day or they wont get out of bed
We will be looking to add another system at the beginning of next year and it will be a ppb
Martin
Thanks for your feedback Martin
Can I ask what size tank it is and how long does it take to make a tank of ppb water?
Reason why I ask my understanding is they way ionic ppb system works you can't produce ppb water on demand strate to the pole. Meaning how dow you know if your using ppb or not?
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700 lt tank works just like any other system the only difference is once the system has been filling for 45 min there is a small pump that pumps water back out of the tank that is already 000 ppm and runs it through the nuclear resin for up to six hours which then will make it ppb so I'm told, as you know there is no way to check this as its not just a case of using a simple hand held device
Martin
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700 lt tank works just like any other system the only difference is once the system has been filling for 45 min there is a small pump that pumps water back out of the tank that is already 000 ppm and runs it through the nuclear resin for up to six hours which then will make it ppb so I'm told, as you know there is no way to check this as its not just a case of using a simple hand held device
Martin
::)roll
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I do love the fact that its a good selling point, next time I get a cancellation Ill be asking if its because they've
decided to go for a parts per billion user. lol.
That said I get the feeling Martin is a loyal Ionics customer and trying to plug their products.
Maybe ten or more years ago it would have been easy to fall for nonsense like this but with all the info out there
I find it hard to believe anybody would buy into this now.
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700 lt tank works just like any other system the only difference is once the system has been filling for 45 min there is a small pump that pumps water back out of the tank that is already 000 ppm and runs it through the nuclear resin for up to six hours which then will make it ppb so I'm told, as you know there is no way to check this as its not just a case of using a simple hand held device
Martin
Many thanks Martin, I thought that was the case of taking many hour to run water back through the UV filter, PPB filters and nuclear resin back to the tank. Can I ask is that pump, UV filter, booster pump etc they fit on that ppb system all 12v or 240v?
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700 lt tank works just like any other system the only difference is once the system has been filling for 45 min there is a small pump that pumps water back out of the tank that is already 000 ppm and runs it through the nuclear resin for up to six hours which then will make it ppb so I'm told, as you know there is no way to check this as its not just a case of using a simple hand held device
Martin
Many thanks Martin, I thought that was the case of taking many hour to run water back through the UV filter, PPB filters and nuclear resin back to the tank. Can I ask is that pump, UV filter, booster pump etc they fit on that ppb system all 12v or 240v?
Smurf you do realise this is the window cleaning section and not the tropical fish keeping section. lol.
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You may well laugh Sean but those ionic ppb systems are fitted with a UV filter too. After all we don't want any algae and/or micro organisms (wiggly things to you) present in ppm water effecting the ppb micron filters and nuclear resin now do we? ::)roll ;D
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That's another good selling point I suppose as they can say "We don't wash yer windows with wiggly things in it unlike some" ;D
Mind you with me washing properties down with yeeha mix first helps a wee bit I suppose. I'm also betting ppb water don't do a better job at bringing stained filthy plastics back to white either :P
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Main booster pump 240v all the rest 12v
You may laugh at the UV light we have a big client that want use to supple water samples every 3 months to make sure there is nothing nasty in the water as we use hot system
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Main booster pump 240v all the rest 12v
You may laugh at the UV light we have a big client that want use to supple water samples every 3 months to make sure there is nothing nasty in the water as we use hot system
Cheers Martin, So is the tank heated as well or the water heated on demand?
Now I'm just wondering running ppb water through a heater matrix would probably affect the ppb reading too surely. But guess without a ppb meter gizmo thingy you would never know?
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Have you noticed that when you clean weatherboard etc it goes green again very very quickly much quicker than it
Ever did,just a thought.
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Have you noticed that when you clean weatherboard etc it goes green again very very quickly much quicker than it
Ever did,just a thought.
They're pulling you in mate pulling you in, there's no dangerous wriggly things in your water and hot wont cause you a problem
unless your cleaning with steam and breath it in.
Even the guys who heat their tank water up wont have a problem unless they stick their face in the tank hole and deliberately
breath in the condensation, even doing that the chances of any nasty's getting into your lungs would be very low indeed.
(wont say zero) lol, more chance of picking up a nasty from your shower head.
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Have you noticed that when you clean weatherboard etc it goes green again very very quickly much quicker than it
Ever did,just a thought.
That's one of the reasons why I use hypo and tap water...yehaa! ;D
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I'm not sucked in by ionic systems at all i don't think I'd ever buy 1 although they do look lovely lol,TBH if it was benificial tax wise who knows. I would only ever buy a delivery system if ever went for
1
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Have you noticed that when you clean weatherboard etc it goes green again very very quickly much quicker than it
Ever did,just a thought.
Especially if you use virosol.
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Definitely gets dirty quicker I've got jobs spotless from almost bright green and 6 Months later it's going green again
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Definitely gets dirty quicker I've got jobs spotless from almost bright green and 6 Months later it's going green again
whats to moan about?its good for business! ;D
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if it works go for it
you will get good results from most systems as long as they are maintained
exactly so its a waste of money to buy a ppb system IMO.in fact id go as far as to say once you have a good secured tank in your vehicle the rest is very simple,hose reel, pump,etc...even fitting a gas heater is so so simple saving yourself thousands of pounds.
im lucky as DI only is all i need(tap tds 29) so no need to mess about with an RO.thank God.
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It does look pretty good though and he explains why ppb is better than ppm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9NcT5JpdE
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Maybe you should ask yourself why they still sell the hot version if it's that good lol
Also why have they not come out with a gizmo to be able to test so say ppb water ::)roll
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It does look pretty good though and he explains why ppb is better than ppm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9NcT5JpdE
Noticeably faster?
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It does look pretty good though and he explains why ppb is better than ppm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9NcT5JpdE
Noticeably faster?
Hmm maybe not if the OP hasn't noticed much of a difference after a year .
I noticed straight away how much faster I can work when I put my flow up from 40 to 60
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It does look pretty good though and he explains why ppb is better than ppm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9NcT5JpdE
Noticeably faster?
And obviously much fast using hot too...so does thant mean you can finish before you've started. lol
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They keep showing videos with RO systems in vans,do people still have that setup in a van soooo much easier filling from a static IMO.
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How much would it work out to build your own surely they can't charge a huge amount for those filters and houseings you could build it yourself.
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Some good advice, here.
And I've only read from the -12 post.
I'll read the rest yesterday.
Love it! Reminds me of a story by the late Isaac Asimov about a substance called Thiotimoline - so soluble it would dissolve 1.24 seconds before water was added to it.
Not so sure about the name, or the negative dissolving time, but you get the idea ;D