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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mufcglen on September 18, 2016, 11:29:24 am
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hi guys decided to start looking for a gutter vac system as winters on its way and this year ive had a lot through the summer for some reason and dont fancy going up the ladders on those blustery winter days anymore although the gutter pro tools have been cracking!
thinking 3000w vac with carbon poles.
ive seen this set up on ebay but wondered if theyre full carbon poles and do they stick with them not clamping together?
any advice or recomendations would be great, i have a budget of around £500-£700ish.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gutter-Sucker-Pro-Gold-Gutter-Cleaning-Vac-System-9m-30ft-Reach-/171959304741?hash=item280992c225:g:qEcAAOSwKtlWokVL
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Those poles are only 30% carbon fibre (70% fibreglass so will be very bendy just like window cleaning poles). To my knowledge only ourselves and Grippa are 100% carbon fibre. Speaking as a manufacturer and we also do gutter cleaning the tapered poles can occasionally stick together but so long as you keep the joins as clean as possible it's not often to be honest.
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I bought that package. We're very happy with it. Excellent customer service when we had a pole split. Not sure about the carbon content, but it certainly does not bend and doesn't feel heavy.
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How/where did it split?
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Thanks for replying guys, can I ask Nick is there much difference in sucking ability etc between a 1600w vac and a 3000w vac to make it worthwhile paying for the bigger vac?
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I know a lot of people will shout me down for this!! We ourselves use a 1250 watt machine (there's videos on our website) and have used up to 4200 watt machines. To be totally honest we've never noticed a difference, the 3000 watt machines are slightly quicker but they take longer to set up and overall we've found we take the same amount of time. Another thing we've found and we've 2 jobs alone this week is access, we couldn't have got a 3000 watt machine through the garages to the job but our little machine we just carried it through.
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That's exactly why I'm thinking about buying the smaller vac pal, due to size and room in the van.
Those big 3-4000w vacs with the framed wheels look bloody big lol but as long as the 1600w vacs had enough sucking power then I'd probably go with one of them!
As your a guttervac seller yourself I'd definately listen to somone as yourself!!
One more question about poles, would a 30ft be long enough for most general homes and stretching over conservatory's etc?
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That's what we found, we started out with a 2400 Numatic but found it a pain and started experimenting and got to where we are today! 30 ft will easily do a 3 storey building, we normally do it with 25ft but allow for ground dropping away etc 30ft will cover you for all the work you'd want to do.
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That's exactly why I'm thinking about buying the smaller vac pal, due to size and room in the van.
Those big 3-4000w vacs with the framed wheels look bloody big lol but as long as the 1600w vacs had enough sucking power then I'd probably go with one of them!
As your a guttervac seller yourself I'd definately listen to somone as yourself!!
One more question about poles, would a 30ft be long enough for most general homes and stretching over conservatory's etc?
I would be cautious. Nick said the poles in the link would be bendy. They are not.
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This is what people have told us on the phone and seeing YouTube videos of that kit working.
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Hi Nick, what is the mbar/KPA. for your 1250w.
thank you
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We've had the Numatic 2400w with cyclonic entry boosting suction by 25%.
(Super light Gardiner) Poles from Oliver at Grippatank. Look no further for these, occasionally after a while they will lock together so we have a clamp handy should this happen.
The vac is a great machine, and never let us down but it does have a ally filter that needs reguläre cleaning to ensure motor has enough air intake.
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The numbers given out by manufacturers are pretty worthless.
KPA is kilopascals which is a 25% of inches of waterlift. The 1250 we use is rated at 15 KPA by the maker, we always test for water lift and the 1250 is actually 90" water lift which is 22.5 KPA.
We also have an airspeed jig and for effective gutter cleaning, 1200 watts of airspeed is enough airspeed combined with 80" water lift is plenty.
We had the "cyclonic" entry nu-matic and the front entry and we never found any difference.
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ive got the streem vac numitic its grate not huge so easy to move throu tite areas no biggy having it sat in van no problim with suction power im very happy with it one of my best buys this year
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We've had the Numatic 2400w with cyclonic entry boosting suction by 25%.
(Super light Gardiner) Poles from Oliver at Grippatank. Look no further for these, occasionally after a while they will lock together so we have a clamp handy should this happen.
The vac is a great machine, and never let us down but it does have a ally filter that needs reguläre cleaning to ensure motor has enough air intake.
Hi Fin,
Thank you for your kind feedback and recommendation.
Our new V4 100% high quality carbon poles are both tapered as well as clamped for extra security when working at height.
More information can be found here:
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/grippavac-v4-100-carbon-high-level-clamped-tapered-pole-kit
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We've had the Numatic 2400w with cyclonic entry boosting suction by 25%.
(Super light Gardiner) Poles from Oliver at Grippatank. Look no further for these, occasionally after a while they will lock together so we have a clamp handy should this happen.
The vac is a great machine, and never let us down but it does have a ally filter that needs reguläre cleaning to ensure motor has enough air intake.
Hi Fin,
Thank you for your kind feedback and recommendation.
Our new V4 100% high quality carbon poles are both tapered as well as clamped for extra security when working at height.
More information can be found here:
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/grippavac-v4-100-carbon-high-level-clamped-tapered-pole-kit
are those sections £112 each?
bit pricey for me lol, somones told me the lightweight alloy poles that are sold as gutter poles are actually the same as flag poles sold on ebay for £20?
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Not sure about other makes but we actually had a die made at an aluminium mill for own poles.
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How powerful a generator would I need to run a 3500 - 4000 watt vac cleaning at 30ft? Been thinking about adding guttervac cleaning but don't want to use customers electric.
Thanks
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As nick will tell (as posted in another thread) the little vacs struggle over 2 stories high requiring weed hooks and the like - they have their place as low end entry systems for lightly blocked gutters but go for a more powerful system if you want to do serious gutter clearing - customer recommendations a better guide than salesmen
We use 6.5 kva genny for the Omnivac which is now 7 years old
Darran
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1474299825_IMG_9285.JPG)
Pulling out a large plug 3 floors up
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Darran, where have I said that? We were only doing a job a few weeks ago on a 3 storey townhouse with a 20ft weed just like the one in your picture and sucked it out with our 1250 machine.
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it was such a long waffling post perhaps it wasn't very clear, but you still required a weed hook for some reason....
Darran
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Out of interest why did you have a die made?
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Darren, you didn't answer the question.
The gauge metal we use isn't stock so that's why we had the die made, our metal is made in Leicestershire.
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Darren, you didn't answer the question.
The gauge metal we use isn't stock so that's why we had the die made, our metal is made in Leicestershire.
Your words.....
Suction was out of the question, but because of our extremely rigid, light and strong poles we were able to work the whole lot out with our downpipe fork
Why not use a stock size ? We're your Ali tubes just swaged at one end to fit inside each other ?
Darran
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Sorry to have to say this Darren, but what the hell are talking about??? Stock size is 16 gauge 1200 grammes per pole 18 gauge is 850 grammes;. Why are they swaged at one end? Seriously?? No, your just having a laugh!!
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Now who's avoiding the subject ??
Ahh, well let's just put all your prickly responses to one side and try to start afresh shall we ?
From my past I worked for BAe and then several racing/f1 companies we used lots of lightweight thin wall tubing in differing grades HE15 - HE30 etc.... I was curious why you needed to extrude you own size ?
Omnivac Ali poles were an outer and inner where you slide them and clamp to get differing lengths, I was only aware that omnivac used this system, everyone else seemed to use a standard length of tube but reduced (swaged) one end so it fitted inside the tube by about 150mm then clamped it in place.
Hopefully that is clearer ??
I will leave it entirely up to you if you wish to have genuine discussions on equipment ( by the way I think your swanneck tool has potential with further development and it's good to see new ideas ) or you can carry on in the vein of being defensive and prickly during a thread
Darran
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3000w is going to be massively better than 1250w vacuum power wise whatever way they are configured with 2inch hose.
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3000w is going to be massively better than 1250w vacuum power wise whatever way they are configured with 2inch hose.
not always , nat all 3000 watt vacs have the same suction , same as not all 1250 watt vacs do , some are more powerful for there wattage than others.
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3000w is going to be massively better than 1250w vacuum power wise whatever way they are configured with 2inch hose.
not always , nat all 3000 watt vacs have the same suction , same as not all 1250 watt vacs do , some are more powerful for there wattage than others.
True, and it's hard work getting the info, I think there are 3 different ways to measure the vac's performance and the manufacturers/sellers use the one that best suits the spec of the vac
Darran
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3000w is going to be massively better than 1250w vacuum power wise whatever way they are configured with 2inch hose.
not always , nat all 3000 watt vacs have the same suction , same as not all 1250 watt vacs do , some are more powerful for there wattage than others.
True, and it's hard work getting the info, I think there are 3 different ways to measure the vac's performance and the manufacturers/sellers use the one that best suits the spec of the vac
Darran
Exactly , they need to standardise all the tests and make manufacturers quote them all .
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well im happy with my 2400w for suction cant see a 3000w would be much beta to be honist ,as for swan neck unblocking wouldent it be easer to just have a smaller curved pipe that can just slide down the neck or a kinda flexy rubber that can be worked down the neck im toying with some iders my self as do make my own diy fitting bin thinking about this for a wile now
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3 x 1000w or 2 x 1500w vacs connected in series or in parallel are going to be more powerful than 1 x 1250 vac assuming they are all the same spec....
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3 x 1000w or 2 x 1500w vacs connected in series or in parallel are going to be more powerful than 1 x 1250 vac assuming they are all the same spec....
Thats the point , they are not all the same spec ........ for instance , the reason a lot of people use the 1400 watt nilfisk is because it has a lot of suction for its size , i have pulled out long sods at 3 storeys with it .......it just has a more efficient fan/design than some others . The suction is equal to some of the 2400 watt vacs .
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Also , the wattage stated is how much power the motor draws , not its output , the output is measured in horsepower , so as with a car not all motors produce the same output even if they draw the same wattage .
There are so many variables , is the motor ballraced or just a brass bush , how many windings on the armature , how much torque it produces .......the fan has to be matched to the motor .
Its not simple at all from an engineering point of view which is why we need to have standardised tests across the board so you can compare the different machines.
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has anyone got the skyvac atom, thats a 1600w and looks a nice little set up?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262014631093?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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I would just confirm that 1600 watt with them because their website has it as 1200 watt.
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confusing stuff lol, ive decided im gonna go with a 3000w vac then i can be sure its gonna be strong enough for the sake of a few hundred quid more, can i ask what make or model your 3000w vacs are nick and whats the bore of the vac outlet pipe on them?
thanks glen
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Hello,
They are branded Viper but Viper is a fully owned division of Nilfisk, we have been selling them for over 3 years and they have been very reliable. They are 3000 watt with a 75 litre tank on them. We use a 2 inch hose on our machines.
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cool thanks nick, getting closer to ordering one and your looking favourites at the moment lol, im very fussy when im looking at buying certain things lol but should have decided in next day or two!!
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No problem Glen, anything else you want to know just ask away!!