Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Tony Edwards on September 06, 2016, 01:52:29 pm
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How do you guys get water on commercial jobs ?
I even struggle sometimes on very large residential work. I run 2 wheely bins side by side but takes ages to fill when customer has low pressure and my 21lpm machine eats water when on full revs.
Been quoting some commercial work but concerned about water supply even though I have a 650ltr tank in the van
Any advice appreciated
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I always wondered myself how the "big boys" manage using 40 lpm systems running flat out with one or two operators.
I'm guessing they have to connect to a nearby water hydrant using a standpipe (which needs a lic for as you rent the metered standpipes out then get billed for the water you use) or have to use mulitple feeds to very large buffer tanks/towable water bowsers.
I'm sure the like of M-Clean will be along in a mo to tell us how they manage.
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I always wondered myself how the "big boys" manage using 40 lpm systems running flat out with one or two operators.
I'm guessing they have to connect to a nearby water hydrant using a standpipe (which needs a lic for as you rent the metered standpipes out then get billed for the water you use) or have to use mulitple feeds to very large buffer tanks/towable water bowsers.
I'm sure the like of M-Clean will be along in a mo to tell us how they manage.
I am nearly wetting myself in anticipation of his explanation.
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Am not 1 of the big boys by any means but keep myself busy enough.
I have 6 x 25m of normal hose to feed the tank in the van, and have 130m of high pressure hose, in various lengths but all with quick release so u can just keep adding.
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Am not 1 of the big boys by any means but keep myself busy enough.
I have 6 x 25m of normal hose to feed the tank in the van, and have 130m of high pressure hose, in various lengths but all with quick release so u can just keep adding.
But if there is only one water supply and with low pressure, the amount of hoses is irrelevant
Its supply not distribution
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If am on a job that's guna be using a lot of water I will drop an ibc off there, so I have the 650 plus 1000 litres, it's a big enough buffer but I still run out of water sometimes.
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Your 21lpm machine will run at about 170bar.
We opted for more efficent machines (more sqm of cleaning per litre of water). We run 250/60 bar machines at 20lpm .
Water is always an issue. Unless you wish to start filling tanks from hydrants. Something I prefer not to do.
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You need to have an account with the water utility supplier for the area you are working in .
They will charge you for hire of equipment with mimimum hire of a week to a month in some areas.
Companies like Aquam (Formely Supply Uk) cover certain areas on behalf of the water companies.
Approx £300 deposit + hire charge + water usage . Authorised to use wash outs hydrants and NOT Fire Hydrants
The local water company will tell you where the nearest hydrant is located , if you ring them
Ed
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We pay violia and Thames water about 500 each a year to use 1000 litres a day . We can use designated wash outs and fire hydrants with permission
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The problem still remains with the downtime that can/will incur whilst filling up from hydrants. (even when local to job).
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I opted for machines that can run from 20 - 40LPM as site, water and cleaning dictated, which to me is even more efficient than the below statement but I do take into account the 'members' smaller requirements.
Not sure how the 'more sqm of cleaning per litre of water' statement would hold out on side by side tests but as with Smurf who didn't want to partake in my invite to see equipment Scott was invited to come and meet me when I worked on his local Sainsbury's but either didn't turn up or skulked in the car park watching.
All of the above/below may be different if 'efficent' is a newly added word to the English language and isn't 'efficient' spelt wrongly. ;D
Your 21lpm machine will run at about 170bar.
We opted for more efficent machines (more sqm of cleaning per litre of water). We run 250/60 bar machines at 20lpm .
Water is always an issue. Unless you wish to start filling tanks from hydrants. Something I prefer not to do.
Last night I did an 'evening' shift @ Ikea - Ashton under Lyne, started @ 6ish with poor supply filling up with water in the service yard.
Started on the clean down @ 19.20. Filled the tank to 1400 litres and kept the flow at about 25 LPM.
Finished at 21.00 hrs. No need to refill or 'travel' to get more water. The set up made this really difficult so a survey beforehand made decisions easier, though live sites change and a van sat over the hydrant/WO won't allow its use.
I've got through Aquam - as Charlie has said two Severn Trent fire hydrants, which I believe is Manchester's water provider and despite there being a hydrant every ten metres on site not possible last night.
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Scott
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I opted for machines that can run from 20 - 40LPM as site, water and cleaning dictated, which to me is even more efficient than the below statement but I do take into account the 'members' smaller requirements.
Not sure how the 'more sqm of cleaning per litre of water' statement would hold out on side by side tests but as with Smurf who didn't want to partake in my invite to see equipment Scott was invited to come and meet me when I worked on his local Sainsbury's but either didn't turn up or skulked in the car park watching.
All of the above/below may be different if 'efficent' is a newly added word to the English language and isn't 'efficient' spelt wrongly. ;D
Your 21lpm machine will run at about 170bar.
We opted for more efficent machines (more sqm of cleaning per litre of water). We run 250/60 bar machines at 20lpm .
Water is always an issue. Unless you wish to start filling tanks from hydrants. Something I prefer not to do.
Last night I did an 'evening' shift @ Ikea - Ashton under Lyne, started @ 6ish with poor supply filling up with water in the service yard.
Started on the clean down @ 19.20. Filled the tank to 1400 litres and kept the flow at about 25 LPM.
Finished at 21.00 hrs. No need to refill or 'travel' to get more water. The set up made this really difficult so a survey beforehand made decisions easier, though live sites change and a van sat over the hydrant/WO won't allow its use.
I've got through Aquam - as Charlie has said two Severn Trent fire hydrants, which I believe is Manchester's water provider and despite there being a hydrant every ten metres on site not possible last night.
"started @ 6ish with poor supply filling up with water"
"Started on the clean down @ 19.20. " 1h 20mins to fill 1400l of water ?
"Finished at 21.00 hrs. " 1h 40mins to use 1400l of water @25lpm ?
That would indicate to me that the feed would be around 21lpm which is pretty good. I could run my 250 bar 20lpm straight from the feed.
Running your machine @ 25LPM for 60mins = 1500L ... Please explain...I know my grammer is not the best as you pointed out, but I have a basic grasp of maths.
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That is what I thought too the maths did not work out.
I think yer nappy needs changing as you don't look happy chris ;D ;D
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Pretty simple really.
I came back with around 350 litres and a lot of stop start, external staircase rinse down.
The presumption is that it was running full bore for the time period.
We shouldn't assume.
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The problem still remains with the downtime that can/will incur whilst filling up from hydrants. (even when local to job).
Not if you have more than one tank and multiple vehicles + trailer on the same job
Ed
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'I tried to trip the nasty man up but I failed'
'There there Christopher - It doesn't have to be this way'
'But he keeps calling me a dickhead!'
'The truth hurts sometimes'
Have a wonderful evening Christopher.
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Ed
Stop it. I can't willy wave so no one else can!!!
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Tony
I'm back in Bristol next week, on a Sainsbury's fuel station canopy, it's a right bugger.
I won't be moving all night but I know there is a water tap at the back of kiosk - Used it last week.
It won't keep up with my machine on full bore but by the time I have got set up and brought the MEWP over it should be half full.
There won't be any need to run on full bore but even if i did, with moving the MEWP, going up and down, stopping & starting it will still keep up with me.
If I did run on full bore and waited for a full tank you still have the continual fill while working so you're not emptying 1500 litres and then waiting to fill up 1500 litres.
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Pretty simple really.
I came back with around 350 litres and a lot of stop start, external staircase rinse down.
The presumption is that it was running full bore for the time period.
We shouldn't assume.
I see now ...mine to is really efficient on water too. When I am not pulling the trigger.
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Didn't you like the deleted reply you posted
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where abouts in bristol are you rob ?
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Sainsbury's Castle Court mate
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where abouts in bristol are you rob ?
Lets go down and say hello John boy, we could have a cleaners meet up in sainsburys cafe!!(only one breakfast though) ;D
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where abouts in bristol are you rob ?
Lets go down and say hello John boy, we could have a cleaners meet up in sainsburys cafe!!(only one breakfast though) ;D
Sounds good although I would imagine robs work is gonna be out of hours :( we could always offer rob rich as a slave for a day and me you foremen :)
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It is unfortunately a night shift or two.
Getting one half closed off per shift.