Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mufcglen on August 31, 2016, 05:06:00 pm
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ive just noticed my tds has creeped right up and my local shop has closed down so had to order some from pure freedom but ive got enough to fill half a bottle, would that be ok for a day or two untill my resin comes?
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Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
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Unless it's exhausted, in which case the old resin will start leaching crud back into the water.
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The answer to orig question tho is a Big no!
The resin works as the water is forced through it. Only half full and you have slush, completely useless, hence the other suggestions.
However, what is your tds after ro??
I ask as there is no real need to be stressed about 000 tds. What is yours before it hits di?
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Is there an exact amount you should use? iv heard you shouldn't fill it full either- is 3/4 the ideal amount?
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No No and No
It must be full.
You will have to wait until you get some more
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It wont leak crud back into the water, I replaced my bottle yesterday which was half used and half new, I always get a fill
and a half from an 11ltr bag which I like to fully use before starting a new bag encase their are quality issues with the new bag.
Its no different than doubling up on your DI bottles, your not going to get crud going into bottle two.
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ive just noticed my tds has creeped right up and my local shop has closed down so had to order some from pure freedom but ive got enough to fill half a bottle, would that be ok for a day or two untill my resin comes?
Yes it will be ok for a day or two. It's exactly the same as using a smaller DI vessel- regardless of the tripe spoken on here. ;)
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No No and No
It must be full.
You will have to wait until you get some more
I could be wrong but in Alex gardiners video for his 7ltr vessel , does he not say a 5ltr tub is enough?
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Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[
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Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[
So your running a double di system and the slush mix is the 2nd di. Do i have that right. Be interested to know ur tds before it hits that 2nd di tank and what ur tds is before it hits di.
As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh! It wouldnt be like using a smaller di vessel as the smaller ds vessel would compact it. Its the same reason why di vessel needs to be full, so it doesnt create gullies or runs in di, making you think di is used up, when in reality its by passing a good proportion of it. Thats why its recommended to tap down on ur di vessel periodically to eradicate this.
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Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[
So your running a double di system and the slush mix is the 2nd di. Do i have that right. Be interested to know ur tds before it hits that 2nd di tank and what ur tds is before it hits di.
As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh! It wouldnt be like using a smaller di vessel as the smaller ds vessel would compact it. Its the same reason why di vessel needs to be full, so it doesnt create gullies or runs in di, making you think di is used up, when in reality its by passing a good proportion of it. Thats why its recommended to tap down on ur di vessel periodically to eradicate this.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well, I've read some B******x on here in my time but this is up there with the best of 'em!!
Take it from a 13 year Twin DI veteran Nathey boy, you're talking tripe!
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Alex G says 3/4 full
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkNDysoqnDE
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Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[
So your running a double di system and the slush mix is the 2nd di. Do i have that right. Be interested to know ur tds before it hits that 2nd di tank and what ur tds is before it hits di.
As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh! It wouldnt be like using a smaller di vessel as the smaller ds vessel would compact it. Its the same reason why di vessel needs to be full, so it doesnt create gullies or runs in di, making you think di is used up, when in reality its by passing a good proportion of it. Thats why its recommended to tap down on ur di vessel periodically to eradicate this.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well, I've read some B******x on here in my time but this is up there with the best of 'em!!
Take it from a 13 year Twin DI veteran Nathey boy, you're talking tripe!
So youve been doing it wrong for 13yrs , its ok to admit to a mistake, doesnt make u less of a man mate ;D
Curious, are you a ro plus twin di or just twin di lucky enough to have softer water.
If first option, curious to why waste money on 2 di and not one descent di.
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An interesting link
https://youtu.be/-L3XyzEK7Qk
Wonder how long a bag of resin last in both options. I know from my experience which option i would go for.
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I'm twin 11ltr DI only with a tap TDS of around 80-90pm
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Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[
So your running a double di system and the slush mix is the 2nd di. Do i have that right. Be interested to know ur tds before it hits that 2nd di tank and what ur tds is before it hits di.
As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh! It wouldnt be like using a smaller di vessel as the smaller ds vessel would compact it. Its the same reason why di vessel needs to be full, so it doesnt create gullies or runs in di, making you think di is used up, when in reality its by passing a good proportion of it. Thats why its recommended to tap down on ur di vessel periodically to eradicate this.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well, I've read some B******x on here in my time but this is up there with the best of 'em!!
Take it from a 13 year Twin DI veteran Nathey boy, you're talking tripe!
So youve been doing it wrong for 13yrs , its ok to admit to a mistake, doesnt make u less of a man mate ;D
Curious, are you a ro plus twin di or just twin di lucky enough to have softer water.
If first option, curious to why waste money on 2 di and not one descent di.
That's the reason you should refrain from commenting! ;D
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As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh!
Tosh hasn't contributed to this thread.
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One thing I find with the riser tube in D.I. vessels is they can become blocked with resin and it doesn't take long for the TDS reading to rise once that's happened.
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One thing I find with the riser tube in D.I. vessels is they can become blocked with resin and it doesn't take long for the TDS reading to rise once that's happened.
I clean the riser tube strainers with a toothbrush each fill. Like you say, the slits can get blocked with resin beads.
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Did you know pure water burns you skin and eats through metal floors and chassis? :o
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I personally find the top tip of putting pure water through the outlet (as in the vid link above) is quite effective at dispersing the resin as you push the tubing down and secure the lid.
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Did you know pure water burns you skin and eats through metal floors and chassis? :o
A bit like my tap water then, i bet some peoples ro waste water has a lower tds then my tap water.
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Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[
So your running a double di system and the slush mix is the 2nd di. Do i have that right. Be interested to know ur tds before it hits that 2nd di tank and what ur tds is before it hits di.
As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh! It wouldnt be like using a smaller di vessel as the smaller ds vessel would compact it. Its the same reason why di vessel needs to be full, so it doesnt create gullies or runs in di, making you think di is used up, when in reality its by passing a good proportion of it. Thats why its recommended to tap down on ur di vessel periodically to eradicate this.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well, I've read some B******x on here in my time but this is up there with the best of 'em!!
Take it from a 13 year Twin DI veteran Nathey boy, you're talking tripe!
So youve been doing it wrong for 13yrs , its ok to admit to a mistake, doesnt make u less of a man mate ;D
Curious, are you a ro plus twin di or just twin di lucky enough to have softer water.
If first option, curious to why waste money on 2 di and not one descent di.
That's the reason you should refrain from commenting! ;D
13 yrs using 2 11ltr di. How much does that equate to in cost of resin. I agree hindsight is great, but surely buying a ro unit which would reduce tds to a more than acceptable level for window cleaning be more cost effective over 13 yrs of changing resin n thinking everyone else is talking tripe because u have 13 yrs of spending how much on resin?
::)roll ;D
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ive just noticed my tds has creeped right up and my local shop has closed down so had to order some from pure freedom but ive got enough to fill half a bottle, would that be ok for a day or two untill my resin comes?
Yes it will be ok for a day or two. It's exactly the same as using a smaller DI vessel- regardless of the tripe spoken on here. ;)
+1
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Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[
So your running a double di system and the slush mix is the 2nd di. Do i have that right. Be interested to know ur tds before it hits that 2nd di tank and what ur tds is before it hits di.
As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh! It wouldnt be like using a smaller di vessel as the smaller ds vessel would compact it. Its the same reason why di vessel needs to be full, so it doesnt create gullies or runs in di, making you think di is used up, when in reality its by passing a good proportion of it. Thats why its recommended to tap down on ur di vessel periodically to eradicate this.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well, I've read some B******x on here in my time but this is up there with the best of 'em!!
Take it from a 13 year Twin DI veteran Nathey boy, you're talking tripe!
So youve been doing it wrong for 13yrs , its ok to admit to a mistake, doesnt make u less of a man mate ;D
Curious, are you a ro plus twin di or just twin di lucky enough to have softer water.
If first option, curious to why waste money on 2 di and not one descent di.
That's the reason you should refrain from commenting! ;D
13 yrs using 2 11ltr di. How much does that equate to in cost of resin. I agree hindsight is great, but surely buying a ro unit which would reduce tds to a more than acceptable level for window cleaning be more cost effective over 13 yrs of changing resin n thinking everyone else is talking tripe because u have 13 yrs of spending how much on resin?
::)roll ;D
Take my previous advice. ;)
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ive got into the habit of checking my tds every day after filling up for the next days work and as soon as its starting to creep up i order a new bag(it usually arrives quickly from gardiners).i usually have a bit of resin left over from a previous change so i fill a little DI up with it(2.7L) to tide me over until my new bag arrives.
ive only been caught out once in 6 years wfp when i had to nip to corwoods for a bag(30 min drive away)as my tds in tank was 36! ::)roll ;D
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Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.
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Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.
That makes no sense what so ever, who keeps resin until its spent ? most will replace at around 5ppm but even if you
replace it at 20ppm its far from spent.
By your logic running a double DI would be pointless as bottle one would leach impurities into bottle two and save nothing,
seriously a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss on here at times.
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I once knew a bloke who'd only fill his D.I. vessel half full; reckoned it meant he halved his D.I. resin bill.
Once he said he'd filled it only a quarter full; reckoned it meant his D.I. cost himself quarter what it did before.
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I once knew a bloke who'd only fill his D.I. vessel half full; reckoned it meant he halved his D.I. resin bill.
Once he said he'd filled it only a quarter full; reckoned it meant his D.I. cost himself quarter what it did before.
I know that same guy, he never got paid for cleaning a local restaurant so to get them back he ordered a meal with all the
trimmings, paid for it in advance and ran out before eating it.
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Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.
That makes no sense what so ever, who keeps resin until its spent ? most will replace at around 5ppm but even if you
replace it at 20ppm its far from spent.
By your logic running a double DI would be pointless as bottle one would leach impurities into bottle two and save nothing,
seriously a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss on here at times.
Nonsense it is spent when it reaches the TDS level of the water you are putting through it. Otherwise according to your reckoning the resin would last forever.
If you don't believe me try it.
I put tap water through at 90 TDS once the TDS level coming out reaches 90 it is spent and pointless to use it further.
It's illogical and the chemistry is not understood by me but I can assure you once output reaches the TDS level of the water you put in it doesn't stay at that level but increases rapidly. Very rapidly!
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Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.
That makes no sense what so ever, who keeps resin until its spent ? most will replace at around 5ppm but even if you
replace it at 20ppm its far from spent.
By your logic running a double DI would be pointless as bottle one would leach impurities into bottle two and save nothing,
seriously a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss on here at times.
Nonsense it is spent when it reaches the TDS level of the water you are putting through it. Otherwise according to your reckoning the resin would last forever.
If you don't believe me try it.
I put tap water through at 90 TDS once the TDS level coming out reaches 90 it is spent and pointless to use it further.
It's illogical and the chemistry is not understood by me but I can assure you once output reaches the TDS level of the water you put in it doesn't stay at that level but increases rapidly. Very rapidly!
Exactly the resin is spent when its no longer removing anything from the water nobody is saying any different.
But again your missing the point which is most will change the resin long before its removing nothing, so lets say it reaches 10
and like the op you only have enough resin to fill half the vessel, so what's the problem in keeping the half still bringing it down
to 10 which is not spent and adding another half taking it to zero ?
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I once knew a bloke who'd only fill his D.I. vessel half full; reckoned it meant he halved his D.I. resin bill.
Once he said he'd filled it only a quarter full; reckoned it meant his D.I. cost himself quarter what it did before.
I know that same guy, he never got paid for cleaning a local restaurant so to get them back he ordered a meal with all the
trimmings, paid for it in advance and ran out before eating it.
;D ;D
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Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.
That makes no sense what so ever, who keeps resin until its spent ? most will replace at around 5ppm but even if you
replace it at 20ppm its far from spent.
By your logic running a double DI would be pointless as bottle one would leach impurities into bottle two and save nothing,
seriously a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss on here at times.
Nonsense it is spent when it reaches the TDS level of the water you are putting through it. Otherwise according to your reckoning the resin would last forever.
If you don't believe me try it.
I put tap water through at 90 TDS once the TDS level coming out reaches 90 it is spent and pointless to use it further.
It's illogical and the chemistry is not understood by me but I can assure you once output reaches the TDS level of the water you put in it doesn't stay at that level but increases rapidly. Very rapidly!
Exactly the resin is spent when its no longer removing anything from the water nobody is saying any different.
But again your missing the point which is most will change the resin long before its removing nothing, so lets say it reaches 10
and like the op you only have enough resin to fill half the vessel, so what's the problem in keeping the half still bringing it down
to 10 which is not spent and adding another half taking it to zero ?
Which half do you remove though? You'd think the stuff at the bottom goes first??
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hi guys just to let you know i worked today with half a bottle on the 2nd di and kept checking throughout the day and stayed zero and with the nice weather i was able to check it was drying ok too, hopefully this resin turns up and i'll top the bottle up.
normally i always fill to the curve of the neck about 3/4 full and works fine for me.
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Always better to run them half empty rather than half full.
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hi guys just to let you know i worked today with half a bottle
Half a bottle? What happened to the other half? Or was it half full, instead of being half empty?
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D.I vessels only work when full
try it and find out the hard way
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D.I vessels only work when full
try it and find out the hard way
Tried it, many times, you're wrong.
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I don't understand why your saying they don't work pal, it worked for me today!
The Windows dried spotless and the tds stayed at zero?
I don't intend to do this permanently but I'll just top it up to 3/4 when I get my bag of resin
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I don't understand why your saying they don't work pal, it worked for me today!
The Windows dried spotless and the tds stayed at zero?
I don't intend to do this permanently but I'll just top it up to 3/4 when I get my bag of resin
Because he hasn't a clue and is probably repeating something he heard from a seller, bit like the guy I met a while back who was changing his pre filters after every 650ltr tank fill.