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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on August 11, 2016, 04:27:38 pm
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I think Jonny Vision fitted one to his tank. I can't contact the supplier he used. Anyone know where to get them?
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http://www.onestopbioshop.co.uk/shop/2kw-immersion-heater/
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Tried to order online with them - it came to about £400 at the checkout!!!!
Can't get them on the phone - unrecognised number >:(
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Sorted - forgot to tick uk box ::)roll
£15 postage what a joke.
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are you putting it in an 1000lt ibc tank?
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650L in the van.
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Why not 3kw Dave?
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Son is an electrician. He says 3kw is pushing it on normal wiring and 13a sockets. Bit of a pain to run a heavier wire and 16a sockets from fuseboard. The plan is to give 2kw a go on normal wiring. Particularly as I know naff all about electrics and don't fancy burning the house down.
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Son is an electrician. He says 3kw is pushing it on normal wiring and 13a sockets. Bit of a pain to run a heavier wire and 16a sockets from fuseboard. The plan is to give 2kw a go on normal wiring. Particularly as I know naff all about electrics and don't fancy burning the house down.
Ok.. I had a sparky do the correct cable from the metre to a new 16amp socket.
My 3kw on a 500 tank gives me 30* over 5 hours.
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I think Jonny Vision fitted one to his tank. I can't contact the supplier he used. Anyone know where to get them?
Sorry I'm late to the post, I've got the same one from one stop bio shop. Still working well. Your right about the shipping cost being high.
I have it on for 6 hours every night and water is nice and warm. (I think about 30-40 degrees)
Are you going to insulate your tank after? could be easily done diy I think.
I've fitted the artic sockets and cable rated as 16amp as they are and can handle the heat/time better.
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One mistake I made you can see in this picture from when I first set it up.......
The wiring going from the immersion itself to the blue artic socket....... Change that straight away to artic 16 amp cable.
Now I've got blue artic cable to the socket from outlet, and socket to immersion.
I noticed it was getting a bit warm and started to melt. ::)roll Must be because I was using 16amp cable all the way till it reached the cable that came with the immersion which is 13amp.
Your son will keep you right though I'm sure. :)
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Glad you're back.
Did you have a flange nut fitted on the inside? I need to order one but will have to check the thread size.
I might clad it in cylinder jackets or builders insulation. Haven't had time for a really good think. Shouldn't cost much to do.
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Glad you're back.
Did you have a flange nut fitted on the inside? I need to order one but will have to check the thread size.
I might clad it in cylinder jackets or builders insulation. Haven't had time for a really good think. Shouldn't cost much to do.
I didn't, as mine came with the fitting already installed. But I've seen it done and looks fairly straight forward. Immersion mechanical flange, and sealant. The only difficulty I can see is getting it as low as possible. It should still work well though even if it is just half way.
Builders insulation boards should work really well.
Did you get your hiace sold in the end? Or is the immersion going into your pure freedom set up?
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I've got a load of Arctic cable and connectors left over from my big gutter vac days.
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No changed my mind and kept the Hiace - looks identical to yours. Darn thing is nothing but trouble though, fitted a new sliding door assembly the other day. What with that and two bulbs over the last seven years I don't know why I put up with it.
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I've got a load of Arctic cable and connectors left over from my big gutter vac days.
Sounds good! Think I spent a small fortune in toolstation on cable, and new John guest fittings for my tank. Glad I don't change it often.
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No changed my mind and kept the Hiace - looks identical to yours. Darn thing is nothing but trouble though, fitted a new sliding door assembly the other day. What with that and two bulbs over the last seven years I don't know why I put up with it.
Ah yours has the same fault as mine. Why don't they make these bulbs to last? Don't make em like they used to. I've got a few bulbs that are nearly 6 years old and I dread the bill when they pop.
;D
Think you made a wise choice in keeping Hillary the hiace. I thought about changing too but then realised anything else I buy wil never be as reliable.
Good fun in the snow with rear wheel drive too. 8)
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What size tank do you have Jonny?
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I've used 1" thick Thermal boarding (like Kingspan) from builders merchant. One piece should do the tank all round. Great stuff.
When the tank was empty,I even put a piece underneath too as well as sides.
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I got my 2Kw element from Heatrod Elements Ltd, near Manchester. Excellent company to deal with, good website. They can make elements to your required length.
I just bought 14" off the shelf which cost me £56 including delivery.
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What size tank do you have Jonny?
670 litres mate.
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Hmmmm, got a nasty feeling I've been stung - anyone know if the company is still trading?
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Hmmmm, got a nasty feeling I've been stung - anyone know if the company is still trading?
By any chance has it not arrived? Just when you said this i remembered.
Same happened to me. I phoned up at 9am and got no answer, but left a voicemail, then it arrived he next day.
I get the feeling it's a small business and his admin isn't the greatest.
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fifteen days now and nothing. Won't be recommending OneStopBio that's for sure. >:(
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Hi Dave, did it ever turn up?
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Hi Dave, did it ever turn up?
+1
Mine took a while but it wasn't aslong as 15 days.
Hope it turned up.
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Nope, never saw it. Contacted the Bank and got my money back because I'd used a Visa Debit card.
Got two elements (one spare) this afternoon from Heatrod with flange nut. Took them two weeks because they had to be fabricated. 14" 2kw
Will fit one in the next couple of weeks - probably practice on a plastic bucket first!
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Is it possible to get an eliment that you can jusy drop into tank through lid and let it dangle in water
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Is it possible to get an eliment that you can jusy drop into tank through lid and let it dangle in water
What if it touches the sides of your tank though when dangling ???
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Is it possible to get an eliment that you can jusy drop into tank through lid and let it dangle in water
An Aquarium/ Fish Tank Heater works in that way, but I think they're only available up to 1kw.
But you could use two I suppose?
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Its impossible for it to touch sides unless its as wide as the tank its in
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My 500ltr tank takes about 5 hours to get very warm with 3Kw. Might be worth bearing that in mind.
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Yes, we'll see.
Biggest problem is finding a way to hold that flange nut near the bottom of the tank. Haven't worked that one out yet. I'm sure someone managed to get away without one on here in the past?
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Yes, we'll see.
Biggest problem is finding a way to hold that flange nut near the bottom of the tank. Haven't worked that one out yet. I'm sure someone managed to get away without one on here in the past?
Is it just a flange nut Dave or a full mechanical flange?
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My 500ltr tank takes about 5 hours to get very warm with 3Kw. Might be worth bearing that in mind.
Is it a lay flat tank? The 3kw in my upright only heats the 2/3 above it and is only warm when I've driven around and the cold mixes
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See those of u that use hot regularly, what hose do u use from tank to pump and through the nessecary bits.
Reason I ask is
I was working of a roof a few weeks back, and I had access to a hot tap, so connected hose up and filled tank as I was working, no di just tank pump reel.
Every dubilee clip came off, ok so fixed them and tightened them more as the hose was so soft, but at the end of the day the hose had completely lost it's integrity.
It had all like vacuumed in and needed replacing.
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Yes, we'll see.
Biggest problem is finding a way to hold that flange nut near the bottom of the tank. Haven't worked that one out yet. I'm sure someone managed to get away without one on here in the past?
Is it just a flange nut Dave or a full mechanical flange?
God knows. It's a 2 1/4 brass backnut. I can find the perfect spanner locally but it's the wrong size.
Actually it measures 2 3/4 guess there's a typo on the bill.
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http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Immersion-Heater-Spanner/p/421606
This would be ideal - could stuff it on to the end of a metal tube and reach down.
Too big.
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Not sure about that O ring either. There will be bugger all thread showing to get a nut on too ???
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Your tank wall will be about 1/4" thick Dave if it's a Wydale.
This is what I use- http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p38614?searchstr=mechanical%20flange
It has a slightly longer thread and is easier to fit as there is no element attached to it. It also has three little lumps on the backnut which more often than not grip into the plastic tank wall meaning you can tighten the whole thing up without the need to hold the backnut with a spanner. These little lumps are there to create a space so that solder can flow between the two faces when it is being installed into a conventional copper tank. It also gives a much more robust and secure fitting. I have fitted Four like this and none have required any silicone/sealant at all, only PTFE paste on the threads just to be on the safe side.
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My 500ltr tank takes about 5 hours to get very warm with 3Kw. Might be worth bearing that in mind.
Is it a lay flat tank? The 3kw in my upright only heats the 2/3 above it and is only warm when I've driven around and the cold mixes
It is more cubed shaped, neither flat nor upright.
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I've fitted three of these (3KW) and two of them I cut the holes "tight" with a hole cutter and screwed in the immersion (from toolstation) cutting it's own thread and mastic. This because I couldn't reach (or be bothered to make a tool to hold) the inside with a flange nut.
The present one has been in place and working for over four years.
I started with 13 amp plugs but like Dave's son said it's pushing it and terminals became hot and plastic scorched and so I got my bro. to fit 16 amp stuff like you have on a caravan.
I cut the hole with a hole saw - the type that has arms on it and infinitely adjustable.
Please note I have attempted four tanks. The first, third and fourth worked a dream. The second (a second hand 650) I seriously cocked up by cutting the hole fractionally big. I ended up cutting some plastic from a 25L drum and self tapping it and mastic'ing it in place but it was too thin to put the element back in and I didn't trust it. I ended up giving it to my son in law's father who is a builder and who needed a water tank in a remote off grid location.
Just be careful out there!
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Your tank wall will be about 1/4" thick Dave if it's a Wydale.
This is what I use- http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p38614?searchstr=mechanical%20flange
It has a slightly longer thread and is easier to fit as there is no element attached to it. It also has three little lumps on the backnut which more often than not grip into the plastic tank wall meaning you can tighten the whole thing up without the need to hold the backnut with a spanner. These little lumps are there to create a space so that solder can flow between the two faces when it is being installed into a conventional copper tank. It also gives a much more robust and secure fitting. I have fitted Four like this and none have required any silicone/sealant at all, only PTFE paste on the threads just to be on the safe side.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1474729511_DSC01204.JPG)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1474729527_DSC01205.JPG)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1474729541_DSC00819.JPG)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1474729554_DSC00818.JPG)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1474729594_DSC01760.JPG)
That nut on the inside of the tank - where did you get that?
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I've fitted three of these (3KW) and two of them I cut the holes "tight" with a hole cutter and screwed in the immersion (from toolstation) cutting it's own thread and mastic. This because I couldn't reach (or be bothered to make a tool to hold) the inside with a flange nut.
The present one has been in place and working for over four years.
I started with 13 amp plugs but like Dave's son said it's pushing it and terminals became hot and plastic scorched and so I got my bro. to fit 16 amp stuff like you have on a caravan.
I cut the hole with a hole saw - the type that has arms on it and infinitely adjustable.
Please note I have attempted four tanks. The first, third and fourth worked a dream. The second (a second hand 650) I seriously cocked up by cutting the hole fractionally big. I ended up cutting some plastic from a 25L drum and self tapping it and mastic'ing it in place but it was too thin to put the element back in and I didn't trust it. I ended up giving it to my son in law's father who is a builder and who needed a water tank in a remote off grid location.
Just be careful out there!
To be honest Malc, that's the only way I can see to do it, not enough thread to get a backnut on even if I could reach it. I can see how the other method works well providing you can reach the other side ( I can't if I want it low). The tank is bolted in the van too so would be a lot of work to get it out.
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That's the other part of the mechanical flange- it's in Two parts, the inner (in question) has a male thread which is pushed through from the inside. The big nut (other part) is then screwed onto this from the outside and they clamp together. You are then left with a fixed flange in which you then screw your immersion element into. On the plus side to this you can also buy a blanking plate for the mechanical flange so that in the future should you wish to remove the element your tank isn't ruined.
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Cheers
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When you have the thing in your hand it becomes apparent what the crack is. You can afford a looser fit with this so it's a case of lowering the rear part into the tank and pulling it through the hole from the outside.
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Easy - loop of string should do it, start the nut let go one end anď pull the string out.
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Easy - loop of string should do it, start the nut let go one end anď pull the string out.
Bingo! ;)
The Three little nodules on the back part- take a small file and flatten one side of each one, this will ensure it gets an initial grip and wont then require to be held from the inside. ;)
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Nope, never saw it. Contacted the Bank and got my money back because I'd used a Visa Debit card.
Got two elements (one spare) this afternoon from Heatrod with flange nut. Took them two weeks because they had to be fabricated. 14" 2kw
Will fit one in the next couple of weeks - probably practice on a plastic bucket first!
That's a shame mate. When I got mine he must have been in the process of going under, poor communication but I got it in the end.
Glad you got your money back and blind Pierre's set up looks spot on. Finally makes sense.
You could do that, and insulate your tank with king span and you've saved yourself about £500 from Getting a custom built one.
I may do this for my static tank to be honest.