Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: JandS on June 26, 2016, 11:18:24 am
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New gear sorted unleash it on the world tomorrow.
Did my own yesterday....look good today apart from one window which has spotting down the middle of the pane.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1466936282_20160625_135339 (2).jpg)
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The pane with spotting, I presume it has two openers above it?
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Indeed SB...it does.
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What's your ppm on your tap water ? iv the same RO set up and my resin is lasting a couple of weeks in that size vessel
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Takes time to master the art of stick waggling and splashing water about it does young jedi. ;D
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Anything between 104 and 112 Shrek......comes out of RO at 03 or 04.
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How much work can you get cleaned with this little system before you run out of water?
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Anything between 104 and 112 Shrek......comes out of RO at 03 or 04.
Cheers pal , mine comes out at 002 but have found my resin lasting only a little while
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250 litres so you tell me.
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Once your up to speed there's no reason why you couldn't get a full day from 250lts on 4 weekly repeat work.
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Well I suppose that all depends on the amount/ type of work you do using purified water as for example I can quite easily get through 250 litres on just one domestic property exterior clean. I've found the more work you take on the larger van tank you will need as from my own experience I outgrew a 250 van tank very quickly even just doing regular wfp window cleaning without doing any addons.
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New gear sorted unleash it on the world tomorrow.
Did my own yesterday....look good today apart from one window which has spotting down the middle of the pane.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1466936282_20160625_135339 (2).jpg)
I would also suggest you get yourself a 1000 ltr decent static system set up in your garage instead of messing around filling containers like that. Oh and good luck humping that trolley and water containers about all day long. I started off with a 25 ltr pf trolley and that was bad enough let alone using that thing as my back is starting to ache just looking at it.
If you have a van already why not use that trolley static in the van instead and later on when funds allow get a decent size van tank installed too which will make your life so much easier.
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When i wanted to make jump from trad to wfp i was dead set on using purefreedom 25ltr trolley for upstairs only. Then when upgraded to van system to run of the trolley. Thought it was a sound idea and cheaper.
Oooh im so grateful i was adviced against it and was told that most who did this, ended up upgrading and that i shud skip middle part of trolley. So, so glad i listened.
Just thinking of dragging that thing around alongside trad equip for downstairs and changing water or having drop off points is making me feel worn out
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Well I suppose that all depends on the amount/ type of work you do using purified water as for example I can quite easily get through 250 litres on just one domestic property exterior clean. I've found the more work you take on the larger van tank you will need as from my own experience I outgrew a 250 van tank very quickly even just doing regular wfp window cleaning without doing any addons.
What size van tank have you got now Smurf, only asking because i have a 500 litre tank and do a couple of commercial
jobs every 6 months, 500 litres is not enough for either commercial job, so have to go home refill which takes around 4 hours
then go back and finish off next day, so next year thinking of getting bigger van, plus bigger system.
Lal
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youll get sick of lugging that thing about and changing barrels, couple that with a heavy,cumbersome pole its a very inefficient way of working WFP.
youll be slower than trad too for a few weeks.
i bet you end up leaving it in the van within a year hooked up to a tank! ;D
enjoy your foray into wfp though.we all find our own way of working with time and experience.
best wishes.
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What I'm worried about is the recommended flow rate, was told 20 - 40 litres a minute.....250 litres isn't going to last long at that flow rate so how do you make 250 litres last all day.
The trolley with 2 containers on is a piece of p to wheel about.
Most of my work is very compact so changing barrels straight from the van will not be a problem time to go soon and find out what I have let myself in for.
Dazmond...the pole is very light or seems it to me.
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Well I suppose that all depends on the amount/ type of work you do using purified water as for example I can quite easily get through 250 litres on just one domestic property exterior clean. I've found the more work you take on the larger van tank you will need as from my own experience I outgrew a 250 van tank very quickly even just doing regular wfp window cleaning without doing any addons.
What size van tank have you got now Smurf, only asking because i have a 500 litre tank and do a couple of commercial
jobs every 6 months, 500 litres is not enough for either commercial job, so have to go home refill which takes around 4 hours
then go back and finish off next day, so next year thinking of getting bigger van, plus bigger system.
Lal
I've temporary set up two tanks in the renault master so can carry about 600 litres in total of pure which does me for now. I don't just do wfp work which makes it more complicated so I'm still playing around with the layout as to the best way to fully utilize the space in the back what with all the other gear I need to carry about for all the add-ons I do.
Regards to running out of pure on that job you mentioned could you not run an on demand ro/di system instead?
That's if you have access to an outside tap onsite so you have in effect an endless supply of pure water without the need to cart loads of water about.
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What I'm worried about is the recommended flow rate, was told 20 - 40 litres a minute.....250 litres isn't going to last long at that flow rate so how do you make 250 litres last all day.
The trolley with 2 containers on is a piece of p to wheel about.
Most of my work is very compact so changing barrels straight from the van will not be a problem time to go soon and find out what I have let myself in for.
Dazmond...the pole is very light or seems it to me.
WHAT, who told you that ? your talking between 1 and 2ltrs per minute, even van mount systems with 7ltr per minute pumps
would be lucky to hit 3ltrs per minute flat out when put through the hose and brush jets.
On a repeat four weekly cleans one and a half litres per minute would be more than enough, I was told that about 15 to 20 litres
per averaged sized property (decent sized three bed semi or similar) should be what to aim for.
There will be times where more water will be needed, first cleans and one offs for example, but to be honest most guys with
large tanks including myself tend to waste water as its a comfort blanket and have plenty to spare.
That said you will be cutting it fine with such a small amount to use over the day and you may need to trad the odd ground floor
to make it stretch plus its always better to go overboard with water usage when starting out.
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Says in instructions flow rate adjustable from 0 - 99 with 20 - 40 being the typical setting????
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It all depends on the sizes of houses your going to be cleaning , id be lucky if iv any left at dinner time 350ltrs, but majority of my custys are detached with connys so I don't get through as many in a day as some others . But as long as you've got a water butt at home for storage you can nip home have dinner fill up and back out again . I have my flow rate on 35
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What I'm worried about is the recommended flow rate, was told 20 - 40 litres a minute.....250 litres isn't going to last long at that flow rate so how do you make 250 litres last all day.
The trolley with 2 containers on is a piece of p to wheel about.
Most of my work is very compact so changing barrels straight from the van will not be a problem time to go soon and find out what I have let myself in for.
Dazmond...the pole is very light or seems it to me.
Regards to flow rate and water usage I soon found out there was a major drawback when using a pf trolley & containers for wfp work opposed to a van mount. The slower the flow rate was set at the on the trolley the longer it took to do the job especially on first cleans so more pure was actually used when trying to washing & rinse properly.
If you don't have some sort of tap to turn the water on/off at the pole end whilst working with the trolley then I would strongly suggest you get something like a univalve to fit inside the pole or maybe wait and see what gardiner pole systems new offering is like before you decide what to get.
That way will save you having to turn the pump controller on/off each time especially if running a long length of extra hose to save moving the trolley about so much and having to walk back to it each time. Also you will gain total control when you want to turn the water on/off whilst working which in effect will save you wasting more pure water per window etc when set a higher flow rate.
As mentioned already set up a decent static system with say a 1000 litre chepo ibc holding tank so you can produce pure whilst your out working/over night. Then all you do is transefer the pure water into containers when required or even better idea is to transfer the pure directly into a van tank and use the trolley static in a van instead.
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Smurf - what flow rate did you generally use on a day to day basis on your PF trolley? I started with it on about 15 and it took forever to clean everything , then slowly been putting it up so I'm on 35 now .. How high can you actually put the flow rate and work efficiently ? I bet 99 is pointless but I may be wrong
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Says in instructions flow rate adjustable from 0 - 99 with 20 - 40 being the typical setting????
That's just your pump control and doesn't measure the flow, if you want to check how much your pumping a minute then
time yourself filling a one or two litre empty milk container.
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Smurf - what flow rate did you generally use on a day to day basis on your PF trolley? I started with it on about 15 and it took forever to clean everything , then slowly been putting it up so I'm on 35 now .. How high can you actually put the flow rate and work efficiently ? I bet 99 is pointless but I may be wrong
Its all about confidence Shrek, some people like a high flow as it gives them the confidence to clean quicker, others can work
with a slower flow and be just as quick.
I can use both a high and low flow and still be slow as I over scrub.
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I used to have my pf trolley set to around 30. I now use it at 55 and it seems much better in my opinion. An average semi would usually see me use just under one barrel.
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Smurf - what flow rate did you generally use on a day to day basis on your PF trolley? I started with it on about 15 and it took forever to clean everything , then slowly been putting it up so I'm on 35 now .. How high can you actually put the flow rate and work efficiently ? I bet 99 is pointless but I may be wrong
Depends what I'm cleaning really but just on regular 2 storey window cleans the flow rate is set to about 45 on the digi controller. I also prefer to use hot pure water too all year round that's with or without a chem boost.
Sorry I miss read you post as I use to use the pf trolley when I first started out set to 15- 20 and found that painfully slow.
Believe it or not some with van mounts prefer to use a wfp pump at full bore all the time but each to their own I guess. The only time I may use the pump running at full bore is when rinsing down the likes of glass conservatory roofs.
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Is there a difference between one digi controller and another? as in , is the PF trolley digi controller different to any other ?
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It all depends on the sizes of houses your going to be cleaning , id be lucky if iv any left at dinner time 350ltrs, but majority of my custys are detached with connys so I don't get through as many in a day as some others . But as long as you've got a water butt at home for storage you can nip home have dinner fill up and back out again . I have my flow rate on 35
I have a 500ltr tank in van and my flow rate is 35. My system was a diy from pure freedon. When i first started i haf flow rate on 20, i was very cautious (? Spelling not strong point) didnt know how much water i would use even though had a valve tap on hose to conserve water. This is because at first didnt have garden space for a static tank in garden (only small garden n wife said no! Lol) so had to produce pure every night to top up van.
Now after sweet talking mrs, i have a static tank and i dont worry how much water i use anymore.
My rounds are compact and semidetach 3 or 4 bed houses. A mix of conservatorys as well. I would say, use between 200 -300 ltr a day. As my work is 4 wkly, even on 40 flow rate i use less water than when i ran flow rate of 20, as more water means better and quicker rinse. This is my experience anyways.
Yes there is a difference of flow rate depending which controller you have.
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Maybe I rinse to much then as I could never get by on 200ltrs a day ???
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Is there a difference between one digi controller and another? as in , is the PF trolley digi controller different to any other ?
Most controllers like pf and others sell you will find are maufactured by spring and are just branded with the suppliers name.
https://www.facebook.com/Spring-Europe-Ltd-362383547123067/
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Is there a difference between one digi controller and another? as in , is the PF trolley digi controller different to any other ?
Most controllers like pf and others sell you will find are maufactured by spring and are just branded with the suppliers name.
https://www.facebook.com/Spring-Europe-Ltd-362383547123067/
Ah ha! cheers smurf
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There is a wide range of pump controllers that they make and spring are constantly evolving wfp products to match suppliers requirements.
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Well used it on 5 this morning and although a tad slow it did the job......50 litres lasted about 90 minutes all told so might turn it up to quicken the rinse.....took me that long to do 2 houses I normally do in around 50 mins trad......I was very cautious.
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Well used it on 5 this morning and although a tad slow it did the job......50 litres lasted about 90 minutes all told so might turn it up to quicken the rinse.....took me that long to do 2 houses I normally do in around 50 mins trad......I was very cautious.
When i first went onto wfp, my smallest round is just one street. By trad it took me a day. It was the smallest round to test wfp on. I was cautious and made sure all frames were done really well. It took me 2 days, and i felt like a complete novice again (tho been in game 14yrs). A painful learning curve as it was like that on most of my rounds. But by time they had all 2nd cleans, my confidence was building but still re learning the windows (leaking seals, drips from top openers etc etc). By 4th clean it felt like this isnt really work anymore, ;D
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Well got it cracked but like Nathan said took twice as long as normal......most of the custies today were oldies so a good section of the community to try it on as they are usually very wary of change.
They were delighted with the results as was I...especially with the frames being cleaned.
Turned it up to 15 and found it quicker....I do have a univalve fitted so can turn on and off.
One customer was going out as I started and he asked me if "that thing" can clean solar panels ...yes I said so we agreed on a price and off he went.....glad he did when I realised how fast one can do 10 solar panels.
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Indeed SB...it does.
Its therefore water running down between the openers frame and the main frame of the whole window bringing dirt with it.
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Says in instructions flow rate adjustable from 0 - 99 with 20 - 40 being the typical setting????
Turn it up to 100 and you'll work a lot faster.
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Says in instructions flow rate adjustable from 0 - 99 with 20 - 40 being the typical setting????
Turn it up to 100 and you'll work a lot faster.
On a digi controller it don't go upto 100 only 99.
When you say you will work a lot faster is that because if you don't you will run out of water ;D ;D