Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: AuRavelling79 on April 22, 2016, 08:19:17 pm
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I've been doing this for 3 weeks now (50m microbore with 50 metres of pole hose) and overall it's a thumbs up!
Pros: Lighter and easier to "throw around"/ can carry more loops of it round the back of distant jobs than microbore/ easier - less work - to wind in.
Cons: None YET. I envisage it won't be so hard wearing as microbore but so far so good.
Neither PRO nor CON: It catches on different things - eg gaps in slabs, step corners, under gates but it also is able to slide through smaller gaps - so it's 50/50 at the moment.
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I asked about this about 5 years ago and was told by the 'majority' that it was not a good idea for a gazillion reasons and didn't bother taking the idea any further..... So look forward to hearing about your experiences as I am due to replace my hose soon-ish.
Cheers
Dave.
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What pole hose are you using ?
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Just a point to bear in mind when doing this is that the pole hose will wear out quicker as it is not as tough as reel hoses.
It would also not be covered under warranty if it did wear out prematurely as it is not designed to cope with the extra abrasion that reel hose receives.
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So has anybody done this entirely with pole hose ?
I only have 60 meters of microbore on my reel and that only is ever all used once every 6 weeks and tbh I could get away with 50.
So am thinking of ordering 100 m of the new reinforced gardiners stuff and using 50 m, keeping 50 m as replacement when it wears out.
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I use 40m of minibore with about 50m of gardiners reinforced pole hose. Works well for me ;D
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Just a point to bear in mind when doing this is that the pole hose will wear out quicker as it is not as tough as reel hoses.
It would also not be covered under warranty if it did wear out prematurely as it is not designed to cope with the extra abrasion that reel hose receives.
I didn't know there even was a warranty on pole hose! I just took the view that if I'm numpty enough to use it for a purpose unintended then that's my lookout. But I'm the sort that will put in hose joiners and the like.
If I get six months out of it then I believe that will have saved me loads of effort and time.
Mind you as the weather warms up I might find it pinches more easily and becomes a "fail" in that regard.
;D
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For well over a year I used 50m microbore and 50m unger reinforced pole hose. When that got tatty looking, I went for 100m all season pole hose, which I used for over 6 months. The 1st 20m wore down quickly and I kept cutting small sections off until I had about 60m left.
Last month I changed it to 100m of the gardiners reinforced, and so far it's been great.
Anything between 6-12 months use is perfectly acceptable to me. I find it much easier to work with, especially reeling in!
Oh and if one end gets rough looking, swap it around and get some more use out of it.
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For well over a year I used 50m microbore and 50m unger reinforced pole hose. When that got tatty looking, I went for 100m all season pole hose, which I used for over 6 months. The 1st 20m wore down quickly and I kept cutting small sections off until I had about 60m left.
Last month I changed it to 100m of the gardiners reinforced, and so far it's been great.
Anything between 6-12 months use is perfectly acceptable to me. I find it much easier to work with, especially reeling in!
Oh and if one end gets rough looking, swap it around and get some more use out of it.
Thank you for the reply that was what I was meaning. Several on here seem to be using x amount of reel hose and adding x amount of pole hose to that. My concern was that without any micro or minibore on the reel would the pump cope with pole hose ok ? I know there is only a mm in it between pole hose and microbore but pump manufacturers used not even honor the warranty on a pump if it was used with mini or microbore. But from what I am reading (on here at least ) all seems ok.
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I never knew that about the pump warranty.
One guy I knew used 50/50 because he tried the full 100m but said his shurflo 100psi couldn't cope. Next thing he'd bought a 150psi pump and told me it was now fine with 100m of pole hose.
I first of all tried it out with my shurflo 100, expecting to have problems, but after adjusting the pressure on the controller it worked great. So I stuck with it, and have done so for almost 8 months now with no pump problems. Not sure why the other guy couldn't get it working, maybe he only knew how to adjust the flow on his controller
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Are you using it on your pole . Or just on your reel . Does anyone use it on there pole . With it being %36 heavier wondered if it was too heavy . Just ordered 100 metres . 15 metres is going on the trolley . Might put 50 metres on the reel connected to the microbore . What connection do you use for the microbore . Cheers Barry .
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I use 30 meters micro bore 50 meters exceed pole hose with the tubeless kit from exceed
We have both 100 psi and 150psi
The 150 psi is used for fan jets
Connectors I use are all from exceed
This arrangement works fine pumps don't seem to struggle or over heat
Just see how it gets on with the electric reel now
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Was just wondering what is the intended use for reinforced pole hose, as it adds a lot of weight when you use it up a pole
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What pole hose are you using ?
Sorry - missed this post. Whatever the basic yellow Gardiners stuff is - it's no cheaper than their microbore but that's not the point.
Early this morning I did two large four storey Victorian semis in Bristol and parking was difficult and so I had to run hose about 40m up the pavement, then down some steps and far enough into the back garden to reach the upper back windows. I was able to coil up about 40m of pole house and walk to the gate (the first 90 degree turn) and I could use the trip hazard cones as low angle fulcrums for the hose to avoid a closely parked car without them pulling over or sliding along.
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I moved from an SLX to an XTREME last month and started out with 100m reinforced hose going straight up the pole. The reason I went to the XTREME was to be as light at possible. But the extra weight of the hose made it no lighter than the SLX. So now I've gone back to using enough all season hose for the pole then using a coupler to go into the reinforced hose.
The connector keeps getting caught on everything which is really annoying me.
Not sure what to do next
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I moved from an SLX to an XTREME last month and started out with 100m reinforced hose going straight up the pole. The reason I went to the XTREME was to be as light at possible. But the extra weight of the hose made it no lighter than the SLX. So now I've gone back to using enough all season hose for the pole then using a coupler to go into the reinforced hose.
The connector keeps getting caught on everything which is really annoying me.
Not sure what to do next
We would recommend using a Protecta-Ball on the pole hose just before the male coupling plug. This will keep the coupling off the ground and help prevent catching. This is how all of our poles are sent out to clients as it does make a difference.
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Was just wondering what is the intended use for reinforced pole hose, as it adds a lot of weight when you use it up a pole
The intended use is for using in poles - mainly for those that are not worried about the extra weight, but want the toughness and also the ease of handling. I would not recommend it on poles above about 35ft because of the extra weight.
It is lovely hose and I use it on my shorter poles for use on my house - but for the poles I use at work I stick to to the lighter all-season hose still.
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But what connection do you need to connect it to microbore . Cheers Barry
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Also while your doing nowt Alex . I placed this order about 7 this morning . And it still has not arrived . . :)
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But what connection do you need to connect it to microbore . Cheers Barry
a barbed joiner , I'd go with a 6 mm one and just heat up the pole hose in boiled water and try a bit of brute force, should work
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But what connection do you need to connect it to microbore . Cheers Barry
I use these:
On the pole hose - http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/pump-hose/hose-fittings-adapters/professional-hose-couplings/ez-snap-range/ez-snap-trade-male-5mm-barb.html
(https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/473x473/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/z/ez-snap_male_5mm_1200_4.jpg)
On the reel hose - http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/pump-hose/hose-fittings-adapters/professional-hose-couplings/ez-snap-range/ez-snap-trade-female-end-stop-coupling-6mm-barb.html
(https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/473x473/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/E/Z/EZ-Snap_Endstop_CopyrightGPS_300_1.jpg)
Or for a permanent connection a barbed connection as Barry has suggested - http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/pump-hose/hose-fittings-adapters/fittings-barbs-adapters-etc/hose-fittings-barb-to-barb/barbed-hose-mender-menders.html
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Also while your doing nowt Alex . I placed this order about 7 this morning . And it still has not arrived . . :)
Apologies - The pigeons haven't finished their breakfast yet :)
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Cheers . Sorted .
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We would recommend using a Protecta-Ball on the pole hose just before the male coupling plug. This will keep the coupling off the ground and help prevent catching. This is how all of our poles are sent out to clients as it does make a difference.
I have been using the ball, but I find it catches on all corners and steps.
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Is there a super protect a ball that protects the protecta ball
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Is there a super protect a ball that protects the protecta ball
I suppose you could adapt a football? That wouldn't catch on wheelie bins or car tyres ...
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We would recommend using a Protecta-Ball on the pole hose just before the male coupling plug. This will keep the coupling off the ground and help prevent catching. This is how all of our poles are sent out to clients as it does make a difference.
I have been using the ball, but I find it catches on all corners and steps.
You get use to that after a while. You need to hone your technique. The ball will save oodles of wear on the quick connecter fitting.
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1st split today. Caught it on the jagged corner of a stone wall. Quickly cut it with a pair of scissors and whacked in a joiner clamped with those little O clamps with ears that you compress.
I don't know if normal microbore would have ruptured but it was a particularly sharp piece of stone and I tugged the hose thinking it had just caught and "kinked" but it hadn't.
So that's 4 weeks in.
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We would recommend using a Protecta-Ball on the pole hose just before the male coupling plug. This will keep the coupling off the ground and help prevent catching. This is how all of our poles are sent out to clients as it does make a difference.
I have been using the ball, but I find it catches on all corners and steps.
You get use to that after a while. You need to hone your technique. The ball will save oodles of wear on the quick connecter fitting.
If only somebody could invent something to protect the connector - like a connector protector :D
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1st split today. Caught it on the jagged corner of a stone wall. Quickly cut it with a pair of scissors and whacked in a joiner clamped with those little O clamps with ears that you compress.
I don't know if normal microbore would have ruptured but it was a particularly sharp piece of stone and I tugged the hose thinking it had just caught and "kinked" but it hadn't.
So that's 4 weeks in.
I did the same thing, water was spraying out of a tiny cut in the hose. So I drained the hose and bent it back a little, dropped a tiny blob of superglue on the cut. Worked a treat.
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Good tip trafficjamz - how long did/has the repair lasted?
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Happened about 4 weeks ago. Can't find where it is now
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Happened about 4 weeks ago. Can't find where it is now
OK so now at two months and I got a little nick in the hose and so wrapped it in gaffer for the day and of course it drips. So I tried Trafficjamz superglue trick this lunchtime and can vouch that it seals the "nick" perfectly.
So I'm now converted to the pole hose instead of reel hose idea. So much easier.
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I have now tried 100m of exceed blue hose for a couple of weeks. And so far, it's been great.
The ball protector was really slowing me down, so now I don't have any connection, simply straight up the pole into a univalve. Lovin' it
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I use the tuboess kit connectors as you don't need a ball protector been using about 70 meter blue hose from exceed about 3-4 months now no split no issues just take more care
Only concern is in the winter will the pole hose freeze up quicker than microbore
As I'm feeling reluctant to Re install my hot water heater mostly because of cost of running and maintenance we'll see may just get the Grippa hot system fo me and my daughter
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I have now tried 100m of exceed blue hose for a couple of weeks. And so far, it's been great.
The ball protector was really slowing me down, so now I don't have any connection, simply straight up the pole into a univalve. Lovin' it
What are the properties of this kind of hose?