Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on April 22, 2016, 08:14:52 am
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1.when changing gas bottles make sure you spray the connection with soapy water every time(i use a spray bottle and turn the gas on)if you see bubbling then refit the connection until no bubbling occurs.(after turning the gas off obviously).
2.make sure your gas bottle is really secure in the van with no chance of tipping over.
3.put LPG stickers on the van(2 sides and back of van)
4. fit a flue or if not practical then leave the back door open to let fumes escape when working and fit heater just inside the door to be left open with at least a 12 inch gap at the top.
5.periodically check the gas connection going into the heater(spray bottle again)with it running.
6.buy a good heater(mines an eccotemp L10)from corwoods with heavy duty gas regulator.
7.get the DE right on your controller so it stops the pump shortly after turning water off at brush end.
8.depressurise your heater at the end of your working day by opening up your pole tap after turning off your pump and letting it drain out.
9.in colder weather unscrew the drain screw after doing the above and let it drain.
10.fit a carbon monoxide detector in the van(mines never gone off)
11.when fitting heater on plywood make sure you fit heat proof sheeting on the plywood first.
12.turn gas off when driving.
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1. don't listen to a forum expert,
get it checked by a gas safe engineer (a professional who actually knows what there doing)
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Common sense includes adhering to what the law advises, even if you do think you know better or it doesn't apply to you.
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Wow that sounds like to much work lol ;D
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there are loads of window cleaners with gas heaters never hurd and one geting blowin up befor or gased lol, all tho u never no it could happen when the van gets struck buy lightning ;D ive asked my inshorence if its ok to install it and i was told as long as its fixed to the van and gas bottol cant move or role about ect its fine and they also said i can fit it my self no need for a gas man to do it ::)roll
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Scrimble ...... whats the law on carrying oxy/acetylene in a van ?
Most people i know that use it just chuck the unit in the back without securing it.
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Bare in mind you will be putting your hoses under strain so make sure your hose and fitting are up to the extra pressure.
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I had a regulator leak once which filled the van with gas. I was ok though because I had three stickers on the van.
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I had a regulator leak once which filled the van with gas. I was ok though because I had three stickers on the van.
Im with you on the gas thing , it the insurance niggles that bother the most , i know im sensible enough to use one safely but i think the insurance companies would use it to get out of paying .
The stickers are a good idea though because it warns attending emergency services if you have a crash / fire that they might want to be a bit careful .
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Scrimble ...... whats the law on carrying oxy/acetylene in a van ?
Most people i know that use it just chuck the unit in the back without securing it.
I am a window cleaner not a expert on law.
what I am saying is ignorance is not an excuse, if you install a gas appliance it needs to be checked by a gas safe engineer, not some inept forum expert or a bloke in the pub,
could you imagine the implications of what would happen if a van parked on the driveway of a customers house starts leaking gas from a set up dodgy dazmond has installed, then that gas leak igniting setting the van on fire?
I can guarantee you if anything happened with a gas set up and a insurance company were to get involved the first thing they would ask for is paperwork on who installed the set up and checked that it was safe,
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I agree with Scrimble,
When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.
Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,
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I agree with Scrimble,
When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.
Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,
I agree to an extent but what about the gas barbecue in your garden with the same bottle and regulator that could also leak ?
Does that have to be checked by a gas safe engineer?
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I agree with Scrimble,
When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.
Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,
I agree to an extent but what about the gas barbecue in your garden with the same bottle and regulator that could also leak ?
Does that have to be checked by a gas safe engineer?
Why? do you carry it with you each day and cook up a couple of sausages at lunch time?
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No , what's your point ?
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I agree with Scrimble,
When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.
Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,
thats not what Aplan said to me last week !
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I used to get my gas cylinders from the local canal boat shop. One of the fitters carried the cylinder out for me and nearly had a fit when he saw what I was using it for. I didn't ask what upset him but it kind of left me feeling a bit guilty.
I just don't like the idea of carrying a potential bomb about anymore. I used to swing the other way so to speak and even installed a flue through the roof.
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I agree with Scrimble,
When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.
Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,
I agree to an extent but what about the gas barbecue in your garden with the same bottle and regulator that could also leak ?
Does that have to be checked by a gas safe engineer?
A moment's non-expert thought would suggest that a leaking regulator on a barbecue on a patio might be less of a risk than a leaking regulator on a gas tank in the confines of a van. One of the leaks may well lead to an explosive mix, the other almost certainly won't.
Vin
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No , what's your point ?
There are differing laws in this country regarding gas stored under pressure dependant on the places it is kept. For good reason. You can travel down the road in your car towing a caravan with gas stored in the gas box at the front of the caravan but if it is kept in the back of a van different laws apply. You can question why as long as you like, it makes no difference, the laws are there, end of.
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I agree with Scrimble,
When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.
Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,
I agree to an extent but what about the gas barbecue in your garden with the same bottle and regulator that could also leak ?
Does that have to be checked by a gas safe engineer?
the gas bbq has not been installed inside a vehicle!
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That's true but I have been caught in explosion at a shed fire that knocked me flying , the fire they think was started by the gas barbecue being put away on the shed while still hot .
I actually agree with you about cheap Chinese gas heaters in a van , I won't have one unless somebody starts selling a purpose designed and fitted unit for a reasonable price .
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I've not yet gassed or blown myself up yet using an lpg gas water heater.
Gas bottles these days are stringently tested so they don't just explode or leak on their own.
Now put the dumb arse human factor in the equation then anything is possible ;D
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with the claims of what people earn a hour on here i cant understand why they cant get a professional system fitted
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Or get a diesel one 😂
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with the claims of what people earn a hour on here i cant understand why they cant get a professional system fitted
because you can build a solid safe system that does exactly the same job for a fraction of the price.(on demand hot water).its called common sense.it leaves you with more profit at the end of the day and thats why were in business in the first place right franky?
i never skimp on poles though as thats just false economy IMO.the lightest possible.
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with the claims of what people earn a hour on here i cant understand why they cant get a professional system fitted
With their yearly expenses claims I would have assumed that it would all be professionally fitted top of the range equipment.
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I'm just a tight arse that's why ;D
Webasto diesel type heaters in my opinion are not that great for the amount you have to pay for them. Then if anything goes wrong as they can often do costs an arm and a leg to get fixed.
I like hot water on demand when needed so a chepo lpg gas water heater does me just fine.
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What size bottles are you all using? Butane or propane? Surely a diddy camping bottle of gas would be little risk compared to a big 47kg type? Although crap money wise.
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11 or 13 kilo bottol is idel size
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Propane 6kg is what I use as fits nicely into the front of my old pf trolley.
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with the claims of what people earn a hour on here i cant understand why they cant get a professional system fitted
Due to ( to quote another poster) oral ejaculation of bovine bowel content!
It is funny though, all these boasters scrapping around with nonsense. ;D
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with the claims of what people earn a hour on here i cant understand why they cant get a professional system fitted
Due to ( to quote another poster) oral ejaculation of bovine bowel content!
It is funny though, all these boasters scrapping around with nonsense. ;D
So what is your point unless you happen to own a fleet of ppb hot water crash tested ionic vans. Then if so all I can say is more fool you as you obviously have more money or on tick than sense ;D
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with the claims of what people earn a hour on here i cant understand why they cant get a professional system fitted
Due to ( to quote another poster) oral ejaculation of bovine bowel content!
It is funny though, all these boasters scrapping around with nonsense. ;D
So what is your point unless you happen to own a fleet of ppb hot water crash tested ionic vans. Then if so all I can say is more fool you as you obviously have more money or on tick than sense ;D
In English please?
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Sorry I forgot I was speaking to a so say highly educated sarcastic numpty ;D
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carefull ur guna run out of forums if u carry on playing up alan ::)roll ;D
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Sorry I forgot I was speaking to a so say highly educated sarcastic numpty ;D
Again, in English please?
Pillock. ;D
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Sorry I forgot I was speaking to a so say highly educated sarcastic numpty ;D
Again, in English please?
Pillock. ;D
;D ;D
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What size bottles are you all using? Butane or propane? Surely a diddy camping bottle of gas would be little risk compared to a big 47kg type? Although crap money wise.
There's very little risk when it comes to the actual bottles as long as they are closed and secure when driving, the risk comes
from leaks after the gas leaves the bottles.
In caravans and motorhomes all gas must be carried in a sealed container with a vent at the bottom, its basically to keep it
away from anything electrical that might spark and ignite leaking gas.
There's also a limit on how much gas you can carry in a car or van I think 47kg would be over the limit.
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What size bottles are you all using? Butane or propane? Surely a diddy camping bottle of gas would be little risk compared to a big 47kg type? Although crap money wise.
There's very little risk when it comes to the actual bottles as long as they are closed and secure when driving, the risk comes
from leaks after the gas leaves the bottles.
In caravans and motorhomes all gas must be carried in a sealed container with a vent at the bottom, its basically to keep it
away from anything electrical that might spark and ignite leaking gas.
There's also a limit on how much gas you can carry in a car or van I think 47kg would be over the limit.
The guy that delivers gas to our industrial estate delivers it in a van. He has more than 47kgs.
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SeanK I think this is what you are on about regards storage as the gas bottle is stored in a gavanised cabinet and is vented through the floor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSsRn6PwZ-w
Mind you I would not want to drink that water ;D
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What size bottles are you all using? Butane or propane? Surely a diddy camping bottle of gas would be little risk compared to a big 47kg type? Although crap money wise.
There's very little risk when it comes to the actual bottles as long as they are closed and secure when driving, the risk comes
from leaks after the gas leaves the bottles.
In caravans and motorhomes all gas must be carried in a sealed container with a vent at the bottom, its basically to keep it
away from anything electrical that might spark and ignite leaking gas.
There's also a limit on how much gas you can carry in a car or van I think 47kg would be over the limit.
The guy that delivers gas to our industrial estate delivers it in a van. He has more than 47kgs.
He will be licenced, trained and certified to carry large amounts plus the van should also have a spinning vent in the roof, but for Joe public I think the legal limit is two 10ltr bottles.
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SeanK I think this is what you are on about regards storage as the gas bottle is stored in a gavanised cabinet and is vented through the floor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSsRn6PwZ-w
Mind you I would not want to drink that water ;D
No I was talking more about the law when it comes to campervans and motorhomes, cant see it being any different for a work
van with a built in gas appliance.
Seen that video before though and that system looks the part.
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carefull ur guna run out of forums if u carry on playing up alan ::)roll ;D
Oi thats my line ;D ;D ;D ;D
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carefull ur guna run out of forums if u carry on playing up alan ::)roll ;D
Oi thats my line ;D ;D ;D ;D
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carefull ur guna run out of forums if u carry on playing up alan ::)roll ;D
Oi thats my line ;D ;D ;D ;D
couldent help my self m8 ;D alan goes through more forums than magic spunges ;D ;D ;D
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There's more window cleaning forums?
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just ask alan he is or was on all of them ::)roll ;D ;D ;D