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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tony day on April 07, 2016, 07:36:13 pm
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In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! :o
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Your 6 days late.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1460054296_grin[1].gif)
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Your 6 days late.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1460054296_grin[1].gif)
Jesus! You can count.
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Your 6 days late.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1460054296_grin[1].gif)
Jesus! You can count.
Only to my fingers run out and even I wouldn't fall for a parts per billion machine.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1460054743_grin[1].gif)
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How can the water your using whether it 0ppm or 0ppb possibly make any difference to how quick you clean?
If someone supplied me water that was 50ppm I'd be done in the same time as 0ppm, the only difference would be in the state it dries in.
For 0ppb to make any difference you are suggesting that the water we put on the window miraculously dissolves dirt in seconds (and of course 0ppb even quicker) when in actual fact the benefit of pure water is that it will dry clear... not that it will somehow clean & dissolve dirt instantaneously.
I may be wrong but I thought that the benefit of pure water is just that we can agitate and loosen dirt with our brush, aided by water and because it has had any impurities removed we don't have the trouble of also drying the window after?
Tom
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How can the water your using whether it 0ppm or 0ppb possibly make any difference to how quick you clean?
If someone supplied me water that was 50ppm I'd be done in the same time as 0ppm, the only difference would be in the state it dries in.
For 0ppb to make any difference you are suggesting that the water we put on the window miraculously dissolves dirt in seconds (and of course 0ppb even quicker) when in actual fact the benefit of pure water is that it will dry clear... not that it will somehow clean & dissolve dirt instantaneously.
I may be wrong but I thought that the benefit of pure water is just that we can agitate and loosen dirt with our brush, aided by water and because it has had any impurities removed we don't have the trouble of also drying the window after?
Tom
Your not a forward thinking window cleaner are you Tom....! You just carry on with your 0ppm.
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How can the water your using whether it 0ppm or 0ppb possibly make any difference to how quick you clean?
If someone supplied me water that was 50ppm I'd be done in the same time as 0ppm, the only difference would be in the state it dries in.
For 0ppb to make any difference you are suggesting that the water we put on the window miraculously dissolves dirt in seconds (and of course 0ppb even quicker) when in actual fact the benefit of pure water is that it will dry clear... not that it will somehow clean & dissolve dirt instantaneously.
I may be wrong but I thought that the benefit of pure water is just that we can agitate and loosen dirt with our brush, aided by water and because it has had any impurities removed we don't have the trouble of also drying the window after?
Tom
Your spot on Tom, pure water cleans no better than tap water it just doesn't dry with anything we can see with the naked eye
left on the glass.
Filtering it further will have no benefit, back in the day when using purified water to clean window was starting to become
popular some of the sellers would say things like it cleaned better as a selling point, we all know now that it doesn't.
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I just use whatever actually convinces me it would improve efficiency & improve business etc.
I like the look of the waterworks reels, hot water etc and plenty of other things that show it would help.
And if given the choice of 0ppb or 0ppm with no extra cost then of course I'd opt for ppb. Or if I had money burning a hole in my pocket I'd go for it to, I'm not saying it isn't more pure... just that I can't see it saving an hour a day.
How did it manage to knock an hour off Tony? (Genuinely I'm not being funny)
Do you think it would save you time on regular maintenance work?
Tom
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In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! :o
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...It's just dawned on me that this is a wind up ;D
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Still not as fast as Vision when it came out!
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Seriously does it make a difference I might look into it.
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I'm open minded. I can see the benefits of using hot water over cold. So what's the noticeable difference using PPB over PPM water???
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I would like to know from someone that owns one.
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So far as window cleaning is concerned there is NO difference at all. Its a great marketing ploy by Ionics but thats it. The difference in cleanliness of the windows cannot be detected.
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Nath Jones explained it well.
My tap water is around 300ppm and my static tank is 1000 litres (1 million millilitres) - so an unfiltered tank must contain 300ml of dissolved solids.
For the sake of math, lets say my system isn't running as it should, and is pumping water out at 1ppm,.. only removing 299ml of dissolved solids,... what would it take to get my water from 1ppm down to 1ppb???
At the very most,.. if the parts per billion system worked perfectly and removed every trace from the water, the best it could do is remove the final 1ml of dissolved solids,.. meaning that its best possible performance produces water only 0.333% purer than a standard system.
PPB is marketing bull - plain & simple. If you think it works better for you, you're simply walking proof of the placebo effect.
Same equation but explained slightly differently
1000 litres of water at 300ppm is an easy calculation. 1000 litres is actually 1million millilitres/grams, so to reduce this to 1 ppm requires the removal of 299 grams of dissolved solids. Simples.
So - I now have 999.701 litres of water reading 001ppm (or 1000 parts per billion) so divide 999.701 by a billion parts & multiply the result by 1000 parts of impurities and you get a result of 0.000999701 litres or 0.999701 grams
So my ppm system removes 299 grams of dissolved solids - the Ionics ppb system removes just under an additional 1gram.
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I hear that but like a few things hot is definitely better than cold etc I would like to see someone give an honest opinion,I've spoken to June at gaps water and she said it's not visible to the human eye when you use nuclear resin she advised me to buy normal resin,she said don't waste your money it was £200 a sack.
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Using hot water is like spreading treacle on the glass and it's running down the glass a lot quicker (brush on) than cold water, also it dissolves stubborn dirt with less effort which speeds up jobs. Does using cold PPB work similar to using hot water?
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The thing is we know hot does work better than cold the difference is there to see with your eyes the way it cleans the frames better cladding etc,I'm up for anything that improves the way I work I'm not saying PPB does work I'd like to hear a post from someone that's got one though.
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In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! :o
Yawn. It's Tony the Troll. Read his backposts people ...
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The thing is we know hot does work better than cold the difference is there to see with your eyes the way it cleans the frames better cladding etc,I'm up for anything that improves the way I work I'm not saying PPB does work I'd like to hear a post from someone that's got one though.
The thing is with wfp we see lots of things that are all in our own heads, every time I go out with a new batch of resin
I see the water cleaning better and quicker, if I was to go by what I see I would be wasting resin and money as its all in my head.
Its the same with hot some will tell you it cleans better and others will tell you it makes no difference other than to make the
job more comfortable, so for me even if there is an improvement it cant be that much if it divides opinions.
I would say if you where to fall for the hype and invest all that cash in a ppb system you would see an improvement if it was
there or not.
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It would be easy and cheap enough to test a PPB system as all you would need to do is add a PPB filter with the resin in to your PPM zero tds water from van tank water supply before it goes through the hosereel anyway so no big expense.
I have an ionics tank but use my own di filters as it's much cheaper to replace resin but not as quick and convenient. Used the colour change filters in the past, the di would lose it's colouring so noticeable to see when DI resin was being used up, cheaper alternative and more reliable is simply to test water quality with a TDS meter. You can tell when DI resin is losing it's goodness as the water goes through the di vessels quicker as it creates channels and it takes longer to break down heavy deposits or stubborn marks on glass so who needs a tds other than to confirm tds starting to creep up.
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In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! :o
Crossover? Game changer?
Just by using those two phrases means what follows is akin to saying a fart in a hurricane has value.
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In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! :o
Yawn. It's Tony the Troll. Read his backposts people ...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! :o
Yawn. It's Tony the Troll. Read his backposts people ...
[/quote I can't believe that someone thought Granville was a good name to call a child! :o
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I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO
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Could you elaborate please.
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Could you elaborate please.
We can have a tug of war on this topic. But the only way that you non forward window cleaners need to do is try it. As Mawlam said "proof is in the pudding"
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When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though it has caught my attention a number of times,this is why I'm interested in this PPB system as it filters it through Nuclear resin after the water is at 000PPM. There must be someone that has this system does anyone know how much the Thermopure version of this is.
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I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO
When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though...
Make up your mind. You are funny NWH. ;D
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Lol I'm sorry what I wanted to say was when I change my resin I can see it's made a difference even if the old resin was producing 001,it's not in my head I've noticed it lots of times. I'm thinking is this new system gonna keep the water like this all the time as it does seem to clean better. The thing that got me sceptical about it was the fact that on the ionic video I watched the rep said he didn't have a PPB TDS meter.
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That's because you have to use a Geigercounter.
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I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO
When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though...
Make up your mind. You are funny NWH. ;D
You have a habit of confusing funny with stupid. 8)
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There are different levels of pure water which we use. We refer to is as pure water, but its also referred to as ultra pure water and im sure most on here if not all on here know that ultra pure water is used in various ways, ours is to clean windows and not have to dry them because they dry clear as far as our eye sight is concerned. However dig a little deeper and its more than that. Also dependant upon its usuage their are different clarities of ultra pure water. Why does water clean so well and break down dirt and deposits on the window?? Why does hot water disolve more dirt easily?? Yes at end of day, simply because it does is good enough reason for most to just use it! However dig a little deeper and understand why, such as it being extremely hypotonic for instance.
I looked into it a short while ago, for the reason of the strength of this stuff that we splash around and could it do damage to the seals etc. It was educational, but alot of information to take in as regards to my reason why. Concluded that guys have been doing for a while and no legal cases or causes been brought forward.
On those points I would assume that total parts per billion have a faster, more aggressive dissolvent rate than that of parts per million. However does that translate to an increased clean time per window for the actual length of time we spend per window. I wouldnt have thought so, to the extreme thats mention on this thread. But then I dont use ppm and so could be completely wrong and be interested to see it at work
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I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO
When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though...
Make up your mind. You are funny NWH. ;D
You have a habit of confusing funny with stupid. 8)
Ginger beer spat.
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How much is that machine 650ltr
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Ginger beer yeah lol 🍾🍾🍾🍷🍷🍷🍼🍼🍼
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I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO
When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though...
Make up your mind. You are funny NWH. ;D
You have a habit of confusing funny with stupid. 8)
Ginger beer spat.
;D
Oi loikes my ginger beer too.
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There are different levels of pure water which we use. We refer to is as pure water, but its also referred to as ultra pure water and im sure most on here if not all on here know that ultra pure water is used in various ways, ours is to clean windows and not have to dry them because they dry clear as far as our eye sight is concerned. However dig a little deeper and its more than that. Also dependant upon its usuage their are different clarities of ultra pure water. Why does water clean so well and break down dirt and deposits on the window?? Why does hot water disolve more dirt easily?? Yes at end of day, simply because it does is good enough reason for most to just use it! However dig a little deeper and understand why, such as it being extremely hypotonic for instance.
I looked into it a short while ago, for the reason of the strength of this stuff that we splash around and could it do damage to the seals etc. It was educational, but alot of information to take in as regards to my reason why. Concluded that guys have been doing for a while and no legal cases or causes been brought forward.
On those points I would assume that total parts per billion have a faster, more aggressive dissolvent rate than that of parts per million. However does that translate to an increased clean time per window for the actual length of time we spend per window. I wouldnt have thought so, to the extreme thats mention on this thread. But then I dont use ppm and so could be completely wrong and be interested to see it at work
The thing is Nathan its only going to be somebodies opinion, some think hot cleans better others don't, some think adding a
small amount of a cleaning solution to your water improves it others don't.
I see the exact same as NWH when I change my resin it seems to clean better and quicker but I honestly couldn't tell if its
down to me looking more closely at the clean and seeing things that I wouldn't be looking for if the resin was older.
The mistake your making is thinking that we clean the dirt of the glass by dissolving it in water, that's not the case we loosen the
dirt and use the water to rinse/push it off the glass dissolving it has very little to do with the process.
Fill a bucket with pure throw in a pile of dirt stir it and let it sit, you will find that most of it will sink to the bottom and never
get dissolved, it will only be certain things within that dirt such as salts that will become dissolved solids and raise the tds.
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In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! :o
Yawn. It's Tony the Troll. Read his backposts people ...
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I can't believe that someone thought Granville was a good name to call a child! :o
In "Open All Hours" Arkwright's sister and brother-in-law d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-did.
I don't know why anyone's parents would name their child after body parts but Toe Knee or 'And Toe Knee seem quite popular.
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Malcum - a French term I believe?
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Could you elaborate please.
We can have a tug of war on this topic. But the only way that you non forward window cleaners need to do is try it. As Mawlam said "proof is in the pudding"
Quotes - "Let them eat cake" By a French Queen and we all know how that ended! Probably numptyised from "Let them eat bread".
As the Pope didn't say "We can have a tug of war on this chocolate bar", or PPB which my Papal TDS meter can't read.
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Malcum - a French term I believe?
Apparently. I suppose Malcum is to Malcom as Willies is to Willis? ;)
Would have save precious minutes of my life if I'd bothered to read your previous comments! Bugger
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There are different levels of pure water which we use. We refer to is as pure water, but its also referred to as ultra pure water and im sure most on here if not all on here know that ultra pure water is used in various ways, ours is to clean windows and not have to dry them because they dry clear as far as our eye sight is concerned. However dig a little deeper and its more than that. Also dependant upon its usuage their are different clarities of ultra pure water. Why does water clean so well and break down dirt and deposits on the window?? Why does hot water disolve more dirt easily?? Yes at end of day, simply because it does is good enough reason for most to just use it! However dig a little deeper and understand why, such as it being extremely hypotonic for instance.
I looked into it a short while ago, for the reason of the strength of this stuff that we splash around and could it do damage to the seals etc. It was educational, but alot of information to take in as regards to my reason why. Concluded that guys have been doing for a while and no legal cases or causes been brought forward.
On those points I would assume that total parts per billion have a faster, more aggressive dissolvent rate than that of parts per million. However does that translate to an increased clean time per window for the actual length of time we spend per window. I wouldnt have thought so, to the extreme thats mention on this thread. But then I dont use ppm and so could be completely wrong and be interested to see it at work
The thing is Nathan its only going to be somebodies opinion, some think hot cleans better others don't, some think adding a
small amount of a cleaning solution to your water improves it others don't.
I see the exact same as NWH when I change my resin it seems to clean better and quicker but I honestly couldn't tell if its
down to me looking more closely at the clean and seeing things that I wouldn't be looking for if the resin was older.
The mistake your making is thinking that we clean the dirt of the glass by dissolving it in water, that's not the case we loosen the
dirt and use the water to rinse/push it off the glass dissolving it has very little to do with the process.
Fill a bucket with pure throw in a pile of dirt stir it and let it sit, you will find that most of it will sink to the bottom and never
get dissolved, it will only be certain things within that dirt such as salts that will become dissolved solids and raise the tds.
Honestly I couldn't care if people think I'm mad because I say I can see the change after fresh resin it has been puzzling me for a while and the water is definitely reacting differently to before,at 001 against 000 fresh resin for at least the first week or so I personally can tell.
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Perhaps, maybe, fresh resin means the water is a one part, or there abouts, per billion?
After all, ion exchange resin removes all impurities and the fresher the resin, the more impurities it removes. A tds meter only measures down to 000 parts per million but it could be way below that. Resin after being opened can pick up moisture and contaminants from the from the air.
Leave a bag of resin open for too long and it's useless as it's all spent, so to speak, and I'm not defending Ionics and their money spinning ideas at all.
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Malcum - a French term I believe?
Apparently. I suppose Malcum is to Malcom as Willies is to Willis? ;)
My middle name is Malcolm. I was always teased for this whenever I needed to reveal it at school with "'course you can Malcom". I hated it and whenever asked what the M stood for in my initials I would say Michael. :-[
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Nwh
I've got some magic beans for sale if you want some.
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Perhaps, maybe, fresh resin means the water is a one part, or there abouts, per billion?
After all, ion exchange resin removes all impurities and the fresher the resin, the more impurities it removes. A tds meter only measures down to 000 parts per million but it could be way below that. Resin after being opened can pick up moisture and contaminants from the from the air.
Leave a bag of resin open for too long and it's useless as it's all spent, so to speak, and I'm not defending Ionics and their money spinning ideas at all.
My RO takes my tap water down to 4ppm into the tank I then put it through the resin on demand, so you would think with
new resin my tds must be well under the zero parts per million.
Like NWH I do notice a difference for the first few days or so, the water does seem to clean better and easier especially stubborn
things like bird muck pollen spots and so on, even the look of it is difference as mad as that sounds.
The thing is unlike the guys who have bought the ppb machines and expect better results I have never been told that new resin does any of the above so why have I noticed this ?
On the other side of the debate, my resin doesn't go up above zero for about 10 months or more so why I'm I only seeing this improvement for a few days or so ?
Plus like I said earlier we don't clean windows by absorbing the dirt on the glass into the empty water so the emptier the
water is shouldn't make a difference if that makes sense.
Personally when I weigh up the pros and cons the evidence does seem to point that its all in my head.
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In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! :o
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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People laughed at the idea with a window cleaner with a pole. (I was one) then hot water got slated, now we have 0ppb and now that's being slated. There is a pattern here. Oh yeah, ignorance!
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Did the Georgian mansion have sash windows?
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Did the Georgian mansion have sash windows?
Yes. For the last 5 years with 0ppm they have been a nightmare! We always go back round with ladders spot checking. On Thursday we didn't have to. As i said it knocked an hour off the job. I don't appreciate people who haven't tried and tested the difference think that i can't possibly notice the difference. It gives you that little bit extra. And on repeat work it's so quick. And it's not that difficult,or expensive to make at home.
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Look what you wrote 3 months ago
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=200350.msg1757422#msg1757422
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Did the Georgian mansion have sash windows?
Yes. For the last 5 years with 0ppm they have been a nightmare! We always go back round with ladders spot checking. On Thursday we didn't have to. As i said it knocked an hour off the job. I don't appreciate people who haven't tried and tested the difference think that i can't possibly notice the difference. It gives you that little bit extra. And on repeat work it's so quick. And it's not that difficult,or expensive to make at home.
Id be interested to know how many windows the georgian place has Tony. I assume its a sizeable place if they only have it done once a year. If that's the case the frames will be full of spiders nests, that are a right royal pain in the arse to clear effectively and efficiently. If any job has an hour knocked off it then by definition it has to be big. 000 PPB wont make any difference to cleaning out spiders nests whatsoever, I'd suggest then that you probably haven't done a particularly thorough job, or not done the frames, runners and under bar upper sash area; as you've described the job it would take a good long time to do from what you've revealed about it.
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Did the Georgian mansion have sash windows?
Yes. For the last 5 years with 0ppm they have been a nightmare! We always go back round with ladders spot checking. On Thursday we didn't have to. As i said it knocked an hour off the job. I don't appreciate people who haven't tried and tested the difference think that i can't possibly notice the difference. It gives you that little bit extra. And on repeat work it's so quick. And it's not that difficult,or expensive to make at home.
Id be interested to know how many windows the georgian place has Tony. I assume its a sizeable place if they only have it done once a year. If that's the case the frames will be full of spiders nests, that are a right royal pain in the arse to clear effectively and efficiently. If any job has an hour knocked off it then by definition it has to be big. 000 PPB wont make any difference to cleaning out spiders nests whatsoever, I'd suggest then that you probably haven't done a particularly thorough job, or not done the frames, runners and under bar upper sash area; as you've described the job it would take a good long time to do from what you've revealed about it.
Are you suggesting that i'm incompetent? All frames are compulsory on every job. We cleaned inside and outside on that job. And not once did we get the ladder out to spot check. Sash windows are a headache with a WFP. (As we all know). It's quick and effective,two practical things i like. After trying many things in this trade over 15 years,i think i'm more than competent to establish what works well and what doesn't.
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Sash windows are a headache with a WFP.
No they're not if you work in a particular way.
Im not suggesting you're incompetent, Im suggesting you're talking crap.
Maybe it's to justify spending all that excess dosh on a system that has no noticeable difference compared to the run of the mill system that produces excellent results if you know what you're doing.
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Nwh
I've got some magic beans for sale if you want some.
Ive got some magic beans for you too just open wide and give me a few minutes. 👅👅👅🍼🍼🍼
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Sash windows are a headache with a WFP.
No they're not if you work in a particular way.
Im not suggesting you're incompetent, Im suggesting you're talking crap.
Maybe it's to justify spending all that excess dosh on a system that has no noticeable difference compared to the run of the mill system that produces excellent results if you know what you're doing.
Except when they've not been cleaned for years and need painting, but 0PPB ain't gonna help there.
Besides, 1sn't the thread a wind up?
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Thing is I would only want a delivery system I wouldnt want all those filters in the van been there done that,to much money although I'd like to have a go with PPB I got the brochure this morning as well.
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Sash windows are a headache with a WFP.
No they're not if you work in a particular way.
Im not suggesting you're incompetent, Im suggesting you're talking crap.
Maybe it's to justify spending all that excess dosh on a system that has no noticeable difference compared to the run of the mill system that produces excellent results if you know what you're doing.
How am i talking crap? Have you used 0ppb? I've used 0ppm and 0ppb which put's me in a better position to have an opinion. And for your information,i didn't spend stupid money. It can be done at home. Not saying it's cheap,but a lot cheaper then Ionics!!
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Regarding Ionics PPB, I got the brochure as well. They run DI after DI after DI to further polish the water.
Is bringing the PPM down to PPB by running the water through up to eight DI filters before hosereel or is the DI resin a higher grade of resin? Why the need to run DI water through up to eight DI containers if the resin is a higher quality? Does anyone know the answer as to what reduces the water from PPM to PPB?
Fresh resin seems to clean better than old resin that remains at 0.00 TDS, can't explain why, perhaps some clever boffin has the answer on here?
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How am i talking crap? Have you used 0ppb? I've used 0ppm and 0ppb which put's me in a better position to have an opinion. And for your information,i didn't spend stupid money. It can be done at home. Not saying it's cheap,but a lot cheaper then Ionics!!
How do you know it's zero ppb?
Do you have a TDS meter that measures that?
Also, not all containments in water can be measured by electrical conductivity. Some don't conduct electricity.
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Sash windows are a headache with a WFP.
No they're not if you work in a particular way.
Im not suggesting you're incompetent, Im suggesting you're talking crap.
Maybe it's to justify spending all that excess dosh on a system that has no noticeable difference compared to the run of the mill system that produces excellent results if you know what you're doing.
Except when they've not been cleaned for years and need painting, but 0PPB ain't gonna help there.
Besides, 1sn't the thread a wind up?
Spot on.
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Indeed. Locked.