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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: 8weekly on March 17, 2016, 02:58:22 pm
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Been asked to quote for this building. I quoted and didn't get it. What would others quote here and take a guess at the price currently being charged by commercial specialists for the outsides only - just the main building which is much the same all round.
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How far do you have to travel,l i reckon they are doing it for £120
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It's on my doorstep, but they travel around 45 minutes each way.
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I would also say around £120.
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Just to add, there are basement windows all around that you can't see. It requires a 45 foot pole with 14 inch gooseneck to get to those top ones - a 30 just gets to the first floor.
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Just the sandy coloured building I would want between £250-300 without any other buildings nearby,I see a pool or something to the right which I would quote separate and obviously add them all up. I do similar stuff which I normally do pre arranged ie come when all are away 3-4 monthly.
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These are the kind of people that get the odd 20 minute freebie from me.
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£120 lol blimey do you want to work for me you'd earn me a fortune cleaning work like that for 120 notes.
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About £3million, depending on the amount of land :)
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Are we including that bit to the right with the velux and all the glass roof panels?
hard to say if so as you can see the back
Just the main building with same windows on both sides and back id say about £100
2-3 hours work plus travel say 150 tops
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£120 lol blimey do you want to work for me you'd earn me a fortune cleaning work like that for 120 notes.
Hes looking at the 50 or so winders we can see. £150 isn't bad for 1, 2 hours work
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If so say a commercial specialist is doing that job already my question would be why are they looking for another quote? I would have also asked them outright that too. The conversation would lead down the path to frequency and also try get out of them the price they are paying already. That way I get a good idea if they are messers and if I'm wasting my time or not quoting.
Go on then tell us the price you quoted first then I might tell you what I would have quoted.
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£120 lol blimey do you want to work for me you'd earn me a fortune cleaning work like that for 120 notes.
Hes looking at the 50 or so winders we can see. £150 isn't bad for 1, 2 hours work
That's more than one or two hours work. Outsides takes two 4 hours. They are sash wooden windows and cleaned as and when. Double the number of windows as it's the same the other side, just without a balcony.
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Come on people that is not anywhere near enough money for that kind of job,it makes no difference to me how long it's going to take to clean. Do it off a ladder and see how you feel afterwards,this is the trouble people charging that kind of money will kill a good area for cleaning windows just to get the work. You would have to clean that 7-8 times just to pay for the desent pole you'll need to clean the tops.
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Come on people that is not anywhere near enough money for that kind of job,it makes no difference to me how long it's going to take to clean. Do it off a ladder and see how you feel afterwards,this is the trouble people charging that kind of money will kill a good area for cleaning windows just to get the work. You would have to clean that 7-8 times just to pay for the desent pole you'll need to clean the tops.
Spot on. A cheap 45 foot pole is £700.
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Do you know How much were they charging?
I'd probably had said one man could do that in 4 hours, so looking at around the £150 mark.
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About £160- £200
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I've just ordered a new 35ft extreme if I was charging 150 quid for work like that I wouldn't be able to afford it,anyone IMO going in on the 150 mark is either in an area flooded by window cleaners or is clueless what to charge. That job is 250-300 all day long an if I was 8 weekly I wouldn't be disappointed if he's stuck to his guns,your not going to get em all but the ones you do get have got to be worth doing.
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Your Xtreme wouldn't reach the top. My SLX 30 just reached the first floor windows. The building is massive and those wooden sash Georgian windows are very big.
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I do similar stuff with the modular pole but I have a lot of Windows that has 32-33ft High Windows that are easier with a telescopic pole ie it'll be quicker to drop the pole and carry on doing lower Windows round the back of side of some properties. I've ordered a new 25 ft extreme as well which gets most day to day stuff,my old one has been superb but is ready for a rest.
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It looks like theres about 80 windows on that place, 1/3rd of them at 40' odd and some of you want to do them for £1.50 a pop?
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I'd want £400 and reckon it'd take the 2 of us a good half day, not that I'd be wanting to do another half day after cleaning it.
I'd expect some cheapo to be charging about £100.
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£150/200.
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£250.00 on the basis that I would take a maximum of 7 hours and hope to do it in just over 6 and that my extreme 47 would reach every window. If I had to add extensions to the extreme I would want more.
I assume I would have to gain access from the inside for the balcony.
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You get it down here as a monthly job for that, I would rather do that 4 times a year than clean it another 8'times for free,each to there own but I wouldn't be interested in doing it at that price I would rather do a few less back breaking jobs for the same amount.
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More like 500 -700 for that lot the commercial specialist is charging. ;D
Over a grand if it’s a one off clean I’m betting too :P
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5-700 is not unrealistic if there is a bit round the back to do,there would be a lot of quotes in the south north of 500 with that bit round the side as well.
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Very rarely jobs like that end up as a one off though usually when they have it done they will always use the same cleaners even though there might be a big gap between cleans,you need to get these pretty close on price or you will regret taking it on.
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I'd want around the 200 mark.
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I've just ordered a new 35ft extreme if I was charging 150 quid for work like that I wouldn't be able to afford it,anyone IMO going in on the 150 mark is either in an area flooded by window cleaners or is clueless what to charge. That job is 250-300 all day long an if I was 8 weekly I wouldn't be disappointed if he's stuck to his guns,your not going to get em all but the ones you do get have got to be worth doing.
Ah someone else with a simalar opinon.
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a £10 front only house down south would be a £10 full house up north , big difference whereabouts you are I think , also how many guys you have working with you/ for you.
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A professional commercial window cleaning company with overheads to pay for staff, office, vans etc. would be in around £550 to £650 per clean depending on frequency.
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I've just ordered a new 35ft extreme if I was charging 150 quid for work like that I wouldn't be able to afford it,anyone IMO going in on the 150 mark is either in an area flooded by window cleaners or is clueless what to charge. That job is 250-300 all day long an if I was 8 weekly I wouldn't be disappointed if he's stuck to his guns,your not going to get em all but the ones you do get have got to be worth doing.
Do you always expect to get your money back for a new pole from 1 job?
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Yes, if he's giving freebie conservatory cleans away.
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Come on 8weekly tell us what you quoted
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Not at all of course not but I wouldn't clean that 10 times to pay for it either,if you quoted 120-150 down south IMO and I'm not purposely trying to be rude the people living in that kind of place would honestly think you were either awful at cleaning windows or not running a profitable legitimate business. They would think there's no way he-they are going to a proper job charging that amount,I've heard them say it more than once.
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If it's not regular I reckon north of 550-600 was his quote slightly less if it's more often.
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A professional commercial window cleaning company with overheads to pay for staff, office, vans etc. would be in around £550 to £650 per clean depending on frequency.
Indeed... if not more.
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Come on 8weekly tell us what you quoted
Well we are all waiting 8weekly ::)roll
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Yeah and it wouldn't be taking the P£££ either.
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8 weekly asked me to clean it for him for £100 and I said only if I can do that roof round the back for free lol,he said if I give you £100 you will be doing it for free. 💸💸💸💸💸
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I quoted £400 plus VAT. I would have done it for £300 plus VAT but it wasn't guaranteed quarterly and I'd have to buy a 45 foot pole. The current cleaners charge £170 plus Vat.
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Based on what you said about 2 guys 4 hours I would charge approx £400-£450 on a regular day 3 monthly schedule. That's 4 hours hard work and the amount of water it would use would be loads. Plus as you said longer poles etc needed which all cost money. If it was irregular I'd add say 25%.
We've got a 6 weekly job at £390 takes two of us 3 hours, so that's how I based my pricing.
I reckon the commercial cleaning company is doing it for no more than £200.
Commercials always seem to be quite low priced I have found.
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Ha so I was pretty much spot on!
I replied whilst you did. Maybe we should join forces 8weekly we'd be unstoppable! And NO free conny roof cleans! 😀
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8 weekly, one bloke or two ???
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8 weekly, one bloke or two ???
I was told it took two "lads" about 4 hours.
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I quoted £400 plus VAT. I would have done it for £300 plus VAT but it wasn't guaranteed quarterly and I'd have to buy a 45 foot pole. The current cleaners charge £170 plus Vat.
170 + vat my arse...That's including a 45 mile trip ???
I think they where having you on mucker and like I suspected just time wasters. I would not do the front of that house for that let alone the whole building.
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Based on what you said about 2 guys 4 hours I would charge approx £400-£450 on a regular day 3 monthly schedule. That's 4 hours hard work and the amount of water it would use would be loads. Plus as you said longer poles etc needed which all cost money. If it was irregular I'd add say 25%.
We've got a 6 weekly job at £390 takes two of us 3 hours, so that's how I based my pricing.
I reckon the commercial cleaning company is doing it for no more than £200.
Commercials always seem to be quite low priced I have found.
So you tend to earn £800 each on an eight hour day ???
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8 weekly, one bloke or two ???
I was told it took two "lads" about 4 hours.
I wonder if it's Mick Kent who has the contract there 8werkly?!
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Based on what you said about 2 guys 4 hours I would charge approx £400-£450 on a regular day 3 monthly schedule. That's 4 hours hard work and the amount of water it would use would be loads. Plus as you said longer poles etc needed which all cost money. If it was irregular I'd add say 25%.
We've got a 6 weekly job at £390 takes two of us 3 hours, so that's how I based my pricing.
I reckon the commercial cleaning company is doing it for no more than £200.
Commercials always seem to be quite low priced I have found.
So you tend to earn £800 each on an eight hour day ???
No we have one van at the moment, £800 a day on my own would take some doing!
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I see .........
You said £450 for four hours two men. So for eight hours you would want £900?
Do you pick up much work?
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You said £450 for four hours two men. So for eight hours you would want £900?
Do you pick up much work?
That would be 16 man hours though wouldn't it? £55 an hour.
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8 weekly, one bloke or two ???
I was told it took two "lads" about 4 hours.
I wonder if it's Mick Kent who has the contract there 8werkly?!
At 170 + vat (x 2 men 4 hours plus a 45 min drive) he is more than welcome to it
You would be actually losing money on that job tying up 2 workers for more than 5 hours inc travel for a poxy 170 squid job surely?
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I don't employ so some of the pricing makes no sense to me. An employee could be on less than £10 an hour.
If I cleaned that on my own and it took me all day then I wouldn't need more than £250 to keep me happy. No VAT to pay and lowish overheads.
Two employees might only cost £80 in wages for that, how can you justify a £450 bill for half a days work one van?
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I see .........
You said £450 for four hours two men. So for eight hours you would want £900?
Do you pick up much work?
Yes, but that's 2 men working, so 8 working hours. On a job like that with two of us you've got to be looking at minimum £100 per hour.
Yes I get lots of work, not everything I price for but most of the time.
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I don't employ so some of the pricing makes no sense to me. An employee could be on less than £10 an hour.
If I cleaned that on my own and it took me all day then I wouldn't need more than £250 to keep me happy. No VAT to pay and lowish overheads.
Two employees might only cost £80 in wages for that, how can you justify a £450 bill for half a days work one van?
Because I could do £350-£400 a day on my own, so with two of us half a day seems about right. I doubt the second half of the day we would do the same again (travel, tired etc). Last Monday we did those figures you're mentioning just windows from 08:15 to 15:45. We don't do that every day but I know what the potential is to be earned.
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Which is why he didn't get the job I guess.
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Sometimes its gutting when you get told you don't get jobs like that. But then when you hear what someone is doing it for its not then so bad!
Stack 'em high sell 'em cheap springs to mind. Basically just fill your books with loads of cheap work and get someone else to do it. No wonder they're shopping around, quality must be awful.
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Which is why he didn't get the job I guess.
Yeah exactly. I think if you're on the tools yourself you pick nice work and price well. If you're employing you constantly need to be getting new work and commercial window cleaners do tend to be quite a bit cheaper to fill their books.
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We are in business to make a decent net profit on each job not lose money Dave.
For instance I did a gutter clearing job that took just over two and a half hours to do properly for £300... That’s working on my own.
I can't get my head around why so many want to charge so little on large window cleaning jobs like that as makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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I don't employ so some of the pricing makes no sense to me. An employee could be on less than £10 an hour.
If I cleaned that on my own and it took me all day then I wouldn't need more than £250 to keep me happy. No VAT to pay and lowish overheads.
Two employees might only cost £80 in wages for that, how can you justify a £450 bill for half a days work one van?
Because he's running it as a business and wants to make a profit as well as his own wages,what's the point if your not able to save any money at the end of the month after you've paid bills out money away for TAX etc sorry I'm not being funny but what's the point otherwise just earning a days wage your never going to make anything are you.
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Say you charged £30 an hour some would say fantastic,how many Windows can you clean an hour I can clean loads of em and what for £30,I don't think so profit wages tax the list goes on 1500 on 2 poles who's going to pay for it.
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My point is I don't need more than 1k a week so as long as there are people like me competing with the companies who need 1k a day then I guess now and again they will lose the bidding war.
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There's no way that's 4 hours for 2 men.
Most decent window cleaners could do it in less then 4 on there own.
I have one that's about 2/3rds the size of that, including front and back balconies and a roof lantern that has to be accessed with 2 ladders, that takes me just under 2 hours, I charge £80.
For the job in question I would charge £160 if regular, £240 if not. 4 hours work if regular and once use to doing it. 5 hours if not regular.
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Say you charged £30 an hour some would say fantastic,how many Windows can you clean an hour I can clean loads of em and what for £30,I don't think so profit wages tax the list goes on 1500 on 2 poles who's going to pay for it.
You can't expect to make your money back on equipment immediately.
Plus it's not the customers fault if the contractor isn't equipped properly for the job.
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The only one to lose out is you Dave as you should never be competing on price alone as you could be earning a lot more for less work. Drop the low paid jobs and replace with well paying jobs as you can only do so much work on your own.
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We are in business to make a decent net profit on each job not lose money Dave.
For instance I did a gutter clearing job that took just over two and a half hours to do properly for £300... That’s working on my own.
I can't get my head around why so many want to charge so little on large window cleaning jobs like that as makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Its simple, if it was possible to get £300 for two a half hours doing work a trained monkey could do then every trained
monkey in the land would be out doing it.
I like others have to compete with guys clearing gutters from a ladder charging £20 for a 4 bed semi front and back, now
being more professional and doing a better job means I can demand more but not hundreds more.
As I have said before its always strange that the only places where there are fortunes to be earned in this business are places
where no nobody seems to want to do it.
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We are in business to make a decent net profit on each job not lose money Dave.
For instance I did a gutter clearing job that took just over two and a half hours to do properly for £300... That’s working on my own.
I can't get my head around why so many want to charge so little on large window cleaning jobs like that as makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Its simple, if it was possible to get £300 for two a half hours doing work a trained monkey could do then every trained
monkey in the land would be out doing it.
I like others have to compete with guys clearing gutters from a ladder charging £20 for a 4 bed semi front and back, now
being more professional and doing a better job means I can demand more but not hundreds more.
As I have said before its always strange that the only places where there are fortunes to be earned in this business are places
where no nobody seems to want to do it.
Any trained monkey as you put it can clear gutters but it's down to the salesman in you to have the bottle to ask for what the job is really worth to you and get away with it. The reason why people are willing to pay top dollar for work is they don't want a trained monkey to turn up and do it. ;D
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Say you charged £30 an hour some would say fantastic,how many Windows can you clean an hour I can clean loads of em and what for £30,I don't think so profit wages tax the list goes on 1500 on 2 poles who's going to pay for it.
You can't expect to make your money back on equipment immediately.
Plus it's not the customers fault if the contractor isn't equipped properly for the job.
Im talking in general terms of course I don't expect to get it back on one job I including all factors in your business there are costs as you know they all add up,do you think I'm buying a couple of poles like I go out and buy a new TV,the TV is for my enjoyment the poles are for my business that earns me money and your pricing should include replacing equipment and all other business expenses. If you call someone out to unblock your drain the minimum will be £80 +vat it might take him 5 minutes to do but do we complain no because he has bills and business expenses to pay like everyone in business. If your not including expenses and a bit of profit on each job it's pointless you might as well work for someone and not yourself.
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There's no way that's 4 hours for 2 men.
Most decent window cleaners could do it in less then 4 on there own.
I have one that's about 2/3rds the size of that, including front and back balconies and a roof lantern that has to be accessed with 2 ladders, that takes me just under 2 hours, I charge £80.
For the job in question I would charge £160 if regular, £240 if not. 4 hours work if regular and once use to doing it. 5 hours if not regular.
But there's knocking a job out and doing a professional job.
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There's no way that's 4 hours for 2 men.
Most decent window cleaners could do it in less then 4 on there own.
I have one that's about 2/3rds the size of that, including front and back balconies and a roof lantern that has to be accessed with 2 ladders, that takes me just under 2 hours, I charge £80.
For the job in question I would charge £160 if regular, £240 if not. 4 hours work if regular and once use to doing it. 5 hours if not regular.
But there's knocking a job out and doing a professional job.
There's also doing a proper job or taking the p@ss just so you can charge more. Lucky this customer has as much sense as money...
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I've seen it time and time again windys do jobs like that for a 1/3 or a 1/4 of the price only to lose it after years of doing it to another firm charging 4 times the price,just because your cheap it doesn't mean you'll keep the job. Just think you've done it 4 times to there 1 and the people are still happy to pay there price,on places like that the price is only a part of what will get you the job,if they take a dislike to you and you said you'd do it for 50 quid they'd say ok I'll get back to you but don't hold your breath. A WC is normally recommended on a job like that in a lot of cases.
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There's no way that's 4 hours for 2 men.
Most decent window cleaners could do it in less then 4 on there own.
I have one that's about 2/3rds the size of that, including front and back balconies and a roof lantern that has to be accessed with 2 ladders, that takes me just under 2 hours, I charge £80.
For the job in question I would charge £160 if regular, £240 if not. 4 hours work if regular and once use to doing it. 5 hours if not regular.
But there's knocking a job out and doing a professional job.
There's also doing a proper job or taking the p@ss just so you can charge more. Lucky this customer has as much sense as money...
If someone is living in a house like that do you think they think that £150 is a lot of money then,it's a bottle of wine to them.
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Not true. They can be just as tight with their money.
If its a bottle of wine to them why don't you charge for those conservatory roofs you do, they'll only be the olives that are part of the starter.
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Speaking of a bottle of wine it's probably worth more than 170 a bottle anyways and they probably drink a few ;D
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Not true. They can be just as tight with their money.
If its a bottle of wine to them why don't you charge for those conservatory roofs you do, they'll only be the olives that are part of the starter.
Because I'm charging the right money in the first place so I can afford to throw in the odd few panes of glass,do you think I'd be doing that if I was pricing jobs like that at £150 that's just ridiculous,if you seriously think that's a £150 job If I was you I would be looking at changing things where pricing is concerned because in any part of the country that job is worth a lot more.It cost the bloke there more for 1 tyre on his Bentley lol.
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I've found very wealthy people are not tight with their money when they know they will get the job do properly with someone they can trust.
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Nothing to do with being tight at all its down to trust and first impressions like anything in life how often do we say I didn't like the look of him,yeah but £150 the wife says yeah but I didn't like the look of him I know the other blokes a lot dearer but he looks like if you left the door open he wouldn't wander inside for a nose. With people like that it's not about the price they are letting you round there property they will pay for he fact they can trust you.
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There's no way that's 4 hours for 2 men.
Most decent window cleaners could do it in less then 4 on there own.
I have one that's about 2/3rds the size of that, including front and back balconies and a roof lantern that has to be accessed with 2 ladders, that takes me just under 2 hours, I charge £80.
For the job in question I would charge £160 if regular, £240 if not. 4 hours work if regular and once use to doing it. 5 hours if not regular.
[/quoted ]I agree with your timescale it could be done in a lot less time but it wouldn't change the price.
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A professional commercial window cleaning company with overheads to pay for staff, office, vans etc. would be in around £550 to £650 per clean depending on frequency.
Can I ask what makes you 'professional'?
Does the fact that you have an office and staff mean you clean Windows better then everyone else?
So in effect you have the right to charge more?
I have a nice van, quality equipment, always in uniform, proper receipts upon completion of work and always do a very good job.
Am I not 'professional' because I don't have an office and staff?
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Not true. They can be just as tight with their money.
If its a bottle of wine to them why don't you charge for those conservatory roofs you do, they'll only be the olives that are part of the starter.
Because I'm charging the right money in the first place so I can afford to throw in the odd few panes of glass,do you think I'd be doing that if I was pricing jobs like that at £150 that's just ridiculous,if you seriously think that's a £150 job If I was you I would be looking at changing things where pricing is concerned because in any part of the country that job is worth a lot more.It cost the bloke there more for 1 tyre on his Bentley lol.
You're weird. Where did I say it was a £150.00 job.
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A professional commercial window cleaning company with overheads to pay for staff, office, vans etc. would be in around £550 to £650 per clean depending on frequency.
Can I ask what makes you 'professional'?
Does the fact that you have an office and staff mean you clean Windows better then everyone else?
So in effect you have the right to charge more?
I have a nice van, quality equipment, always in uniform, proper receipts upon completion of work and always do a very good job.
Am I not 'professional' because I don't have an office and staff?
I don't have an office or staff but still would not want to do that job for a silly low price.
Why should I when I can make more net profit and a lot less work than say cleaning windows on 4 detached smallish houses in a row. ::)roll
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'Professionalism' is also about attitude as well as all those add-ons mentioned. Things you can't necessarily buy.
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The other way to look at it is that it will be 4/5 hours non stop work with a lot of water used compared with 4/5 hours with breaks between houses and considerably less water used. 4/5 hours on that job is probably equivalent to 6/7 hours on regular work in terms of physical effort.
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'Professionalism' is also about attitude as well as all those add-ons mentioned. Things you can't necessarily buy.
I'm sure most window cleaners on here who have successfully built a business that involves regular paying customers have the 'right' attitude.
Wouldnt you agree?
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Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total
whats wrong with £150 ?
explain
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Ah, the penny has dropped. 8 weekly didn't get the job because they are mega rich, drink £170 bottles of wine and he simply didn't charge enough.
Therefore he looked so cheap and nasty that they stuck with their normal cleaners.
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Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total
whats wrong with £150 ?
explain
i suppose if your working for another window cleaner and he's paying you £150 for you doing it then there's nothing wrong with it,but he will be getting £500 + lol. My point is if you do jobs like that for that silly amount you'll make little profit so if the van goes wrong you need new poles it snows for 2 weeks and you can't work you'll be happy with that then will you. Wouldn't it be better to get a very good daily rate and then have the £150 as the profit that job might only be 3 monthly.
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Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total
whats wrong with £150 ?
explain
I thought I had ::)roll
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Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total
whats wrong with £150 ?
explain
i suppose if your working for another window cleaner and he's paying you £150 for you doing it then there's nothing wrong with it,but he will be getting £500 + lol. My point is if you do jobs like that for that silly amount you'll make little profit so if the van goes wrong you need new poles it snows for 2 weeks and you can't work you'll be happy with that then will you. Wouldn't it be better to get a very good daily rate and then have the £150 as the profit that job might only be 3 monthly.
NWH you halfwit! 8 weekly put in a higher price - why do you think he DIDN'T GET THE JOB?
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Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total
whats wrong with £150 ?
explain
i suppose if your working for another window cleaner and he's paying you £150 for you doing it then there's nothing wrong with it,but he will be getting £500 + lol. My point is if you do jobs like that for that silly amount you'll make little profit so if the van goes wrong you need new poles it snows for 2 weeks and you can't work you'll be happy with that then will you. Wouldn't it be better to get a very good daily rate and then have the £150 as the profit that job might only be 3 monthly.
little profit? how much would expenses be? a tenner?
if you cant make any profit or pay for new poles/weather delays on 1000 a week then i dunno lol
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Ah, the penny has dropped. 8 weekly didn't get the job because they are mega rich, drink £170 bottles of wine and he simply didn't charge enough.
Therefore he looked so cheap and nasty that they stuck with their normal cleaners.
I didn't think it would be long before you started turning this into a I earn more than you thread Dave,you can bitch and try to irritate me all you like Dave but I'm not mug enough to go round pricing jobs like that up on &35-40 an hour it ain't happening m8. They are cream jobs the kind of jobs that make you want to get to work if I wanted to earn £150 for 4-5 hours work I'd be cleaning cul-de-sacs of bungalows and 3 bed semis all day long,if you think that's a £150 job I'd stay away from pricing work like that cos i reckon you'd end up a busy fool m8.
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I'll help you here NWH - he was too expensive.
No use spouting about professionalism, new poles etc. He was just too dear and couldn't compete.
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Plenty of nationals are making loads of money off the backs of subs and to be honest I don't blame them when people will work for peanuts.
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I'll help you here NWH - he was too expensive.
No use spouting about professionalism, new poles etc. He was just too dear and couldn't compete.
So you just believe everything what people tell you at face value then Dave. ;D
Potential customers will lie through their back teeth if it means they can get something for next to bugger all.
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You've lost me now - why do you think he didn't get the job ???
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I'll help you here NWH - he was too expensive.
No use spouting about professionalism, new poles etc. He was just too dear and couldn't compete.
Wouldn't compete.
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I'll help you here NWH - he was too expensive.
No use spouting about professionalism, new poles etc. He was just too dear and couldn't compete.
Wouldn't compete.
Don't blame you. I'd be half tempted to invoice them £170 for your time going there to look at the place if thats all they're paying for the cleans.
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We are in business to make a decent net profit on each job not lose money Dave.
For instance I did a gutter clearing job that took just over two and a half hours to do properly for £300... That’s working on my own.
I can't get my head around why so many want to charge so little on large window cleaning jobs like that as makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Its simple, if it was possible to get £300 for two a half hours doing work a trained monkey could do then every trained
monkey in the land would be out doing it.
I like others have to compete with guys clearing gutters from a ladder charging £20 for a 4 bed semi front and back, now
being more professional and doing a better job means I can demand more but not hundreds more.
As I have said before its always strange that the only places where there are fortunes to be earned in this business are places
where no nobody seems to want to do it.
Any trained monkey as you put it can clear gutters but it's down to the salesman in you to have the bottle to ask for what the job is really worth to you and get away with it. The reason why people are willing to pay top dollar for work is they don't want a trained monkey to turn up and do it. ;D
Definitely agree with that. I've got so many jobs knowing they could get it way cheaper being done by someone else. The thing is they didn't want someone else. I'll say my price and they're more than welcome to shop around. Most of the time they don't as they probably get so many dodgy trades around they want quality.
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You've lost me now - why do you think he didn't get the job ???
Because they already had a crowd doing it, they were just exploring the market to check they had the price right.
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I'd ask £240. Looks a grueller. I'd expect to do it on my own in a day. 9-3. And be knackered.
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You can see why you didn't get it 8weekly with some of the prices quoted on here. But fair enough for whoever for what they charge.
Its all relative. You could have put a picture up of a £40 house with people saying they would do it it for £25/£30. You know that you can get those house at £40 so wouldn't do them for any less.
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Of course its relative, you get in where you fit it.
Thats why these threads are complete poope, if you drive brand new vans and have lots of overheads, have a massive mortage and want to be a millionaire you charge a hell of a lot more than the guy who want to earn 500 a week on a part time basis and has very few overheads.
so you name your price what you think you can get away with and thats it.
SO if like the O.P you quote 400 quid and someone whos just starting out and has never earned 150 a day in his life comes along to quote your more than likely fecked..
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If I'd had got there and £150 was mentioned for cleaning that place I would have said I'm not interested as some have said I would rather go off and clean 3 easy houses for that with far less neck and back ache,sometimes it ain't worth the aggro. All I can say is I wouldn't do it for that those who would congratulations on driving the prices down for all of us.
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SO if like the O.P you quote 400 quid and someone whos just starting out and has never earned 150 a day in his life comes along to quote your more than likely fecked..
The company that do it are an established commercial business.
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SO if like the O.P you quote 400 quid and someone whos just starting out and has never earned 150 a day in his life comes along to quote your more than likely fecked..
The company that do it are an established commercial business.
And the property owners are obviously looking to better the £170 plus VAT they're charging ?
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Yeah you ve hit the nail on the head there,the new bloke starting out doing it for £150 hasn't got a clue what to charge he's happy because he's not used to earning that,i reckon if you looked at 5 proper quotes for that place they'd all be 300 upwards just for the main building without out buildings pools etc.
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SO if like the O.P you quote 400 quid and someone whos just starting out and has never earned 150 a day in his life comes along to quote your more than likely fecked..
The company that do it are an established commercial business.
And the property owners are obviously looking to better the £170 plus VAT they're charging ?
Assuming 8weekly was quoting directly with the property owner and not going through a 3rd party but I suspect was the latter.
Either way something sounds very fishy to me as no one in their right mind with experience cleaning georgian windows at that height would take on work like that at such a silly low price. Not forgetting the balcony windows and all the basment windows that need cleaning aswell.
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He said back was same as front. So we can see half of the job. I've broke it down with a line to make it easier............
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1458254039_ben.jpg)
The current company are charging £42.50 plus vat to clean the left hand side, and £42.50 plus vat to clean the right hand side. Looks like you'll have to nip upstairs with a bucket to do the veranda ones. Forgeting that for a minute, there's 17 windows (approx) to be done on each "quarter" of the building.
I'd be certain that one man could do each quarter in an hour ? I'm aware he said there where a few basement windows too.
I'm all in favour of people asking £400 for it. Makes it a doddle for me !! ;D Its them £170 plus VAT guys knackering the job up for us all !!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The mind boggles how stupid some people are as I would just laugh and walk away if they expected me to do that lot for less than 400. ;D
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The mind boggles how stupid some people are as I would just laugh and walk away if they expected me to do that lot for less than 400. ;D
You charge VAT do you Smurf ? Or you not hit the threshold yet ? ;D
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If I'd had got there and £150 was mentioned for cleaning that place I would have said I'm not interested as some have said I would rather go off and clean 3 easy houses for that with far less neck and back ache,sometimes it ain't worth the aggro. All I can say is I wouldn't do it for that those who would congratulations on driving the prices down for all of us.
thats assuming you have 3 easy houses, some window cleaners dont have 3 easy £50 houses.
I dont have any £50 houses. I dont think theres any £50 houses in my city to clean.
Not everyone can start out from the get go earning £400 per day, theres a process and a level that people have to go through to get there.
First off you earn enough to survive, then you go for 100 a day, then 150 and push to the maximum you can in your area.
Now if your day rate is 150 and this job would take less than a day, it would be a very nice job to add to your workload.
Once you get to the point of earning 400 a day you can quote 400
Some of you guys on here who are obviously earning a lot of money seem to forget where you came from or maybe you had it handed to you on a plate?
Everyone has to do what they have to do, if thats quoting a paultry sum of 150-200 quid for a days work when theyve been used to earning minimum wage then thats what they have to do.
stupid thread, i youre currrent level dictates you quote a grand or 200 quid then thats what you do and if you get beaten to the job by a cheaper price well then thats just how the game works, more money you demand less work you get.
talking about 50 quid houses like theyre ten a penny, yeh ill just pop out and clean a few easy 50 quidders instead. Im in yorkshire, there guys round here still cleaning 3 bed semis for a fiver.
I would be proud to add this house to my workload at 150-200 for a days work, why because ive come along way from where i was and to me thats a lot of money at the moment.
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strewth!good old CIU eh? ;D
id want £300 for that job and i would fully expect to clean it to a good standard in a day.thats not being greedy IMO or too cheap either.its defo a cream job and i would fully expect the owners to except my price on a 3 monthly basis.
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well said adam I am in a small town in west yorks you would have to travel a good few miles to find a property less than half the size north/ south devid and all that, I would like to know who cleans harewood house in leeds and what they charge .to put it in perspective you've got the one man band .then company brigade. one man band imo is gonna be cheaper.end of the day who cares .ill stick to my 10 quid semi ;D
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If I'd had got there and £150 was mentioned for cleaning that place I would have said I'm not interested as some have said I would rather go off and clean 3 easy houses for that with far less neck and back ache,sometimes it ain't worth the aggro. All I can say is I wouldn't do it for that those who would congratulations on driving the prices down for all of us.
thats assuming you have 3 easy houses, some window cleaners dont have 3 easy £50 houses.
I dont have any £50 houses. I dont think theres any £50 houses in my city to clean.
Not everyone can start out from the get go earning £400 per day, theres a process and a level that people have to go through to get there.
First off you earn enough to survive, then you go for 100 a day, then 150 and push to the maximum you can in your area.
Now if your day rate is 150 and this job would take less than a day, it would be a very nice job to add to your workload.
Once you get to the point of earning 400 a day you can quote 400
Some of you guys on here who are obviously earning a lot of money seem to forget where you came from or maybe you had it handed to you on a plate?
Everyone has to do what they have to do, if thats quoting a paultry sum of 150-200 quid for a days work when theyve been used to earning minimum wage then thats what they have to do.
stupid thread, i youre currrent level dictates you quote a grand or 200 quid then thats what you do and if you get beaten to the job by a cheaper price well then thats just how the game works, more money you demand less work you get.
talking about 50 quid houses like theyre ten a penny, yeh ill just pop out and clean a few easy 50 quidders instead. Im in yorkshire, there guys round here still cleaning 3 bed semis for a fiver.
I would be proud to add this house to my workload at 150-200 for a days work, why because ive come along way from where i was and to me thats a lot of money at the moment.
Adam take the pricing you get on this forum with a pinch of salt, in any profession you will always get the big shot high
earners or penniless millionaires to be more accurate.
If your any age your bound to have come across a few of them, bragging about their big earnings one week and having their
car repossessed the next.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1458284724_grin[1].gif)
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It's not about knowing where you came from at all.
It's about knowing the value of something.
Depending on where that is in the country that house up north could be 2.5 million put it down south and it could be £20 mill.
So down south we need to charge more the cost of living is higher.
I encourage people to go out and get the best prices they can it benefits us all as an industry if the bar is raised higher.
It's not about willy waiving or I'm better than you.if your new you price low because of inexperience not because of your humble beginnings and I don't need to earn that much.
If you clean that for £150 and it takes you a day minus tax,ni,and then your running costs fuel ,tools(a 50ft pole will cost £700 it needs to be earning it's money)insurance,admin costs,sick pay and that £150 is not what your getting in your pocket.
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Some of these big jobs are not always the holy grail to big earnings.
People with lots of money can be some of the tightest to give it away.
I don't know if this was the case but it wouldn't surprise me if the property owners were looking for a cheaper price to what they are already paying or maybe just fishing to confirm the price they are paying is "cheap".
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£500 for the 1st clean.
£250 if monthly, which big jobs like that never are!
I'd increase the costs by 25% for every extra month between cleans.
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Properties like this are often managed by someone other than the owners. It's in their interests to keep the prices within budget - their job is on the line too.
Larger companies should be able to get their costs down because they could well be paying very low wages to their workers. One man bands can easily work around £200 a day and consider it a decent wage. I'm not sure where the £450 a day boys come in or why they demand such high prices - it's only glass cleaning. No great skills, either the glass is clean or it isn't.
Where I live there are several properties like this - I avoid them.
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Some of these big jobs are not always the holy grail to big earnings.
People with lots of money can be some of the tightest to give it away.
I don't know if this was the case but it wouldn't surprise me if the property owners were looking for a cheaper price to what they are already paying or maybe just fishing to confirm the price they are paying is "cheap".
Exactly.
Some rich people are rich because they are very good at getting the best deals for their money.
They don't want to be ripped off so will look for the best value for their hard earned money.
What's funny is some of the guys quoting big bucks for this job believe they will do a better, more professional job then the ones quoting half the price. The reality is the 'bigger' companies have alot higher overheads and pass this on to the customer, the 'little' guys with smaller overheads can do exactly the same job at a much better price.
Anyone with sense knows this which is why it's always better to shop around, no matter how rich you are.
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Some of these big jobs are not always the holy grail to big earnings.
People with lots of money can be some of the tightest to give it away.
I don't know if this was the case but it wouldn't surprise me if the property owners were looking for a cheaper price to what they are already paying or maybe just fishing to confirm the price they are paying is "cheap".
However, often the small guys aren't insured, aren't professional (pee in gardens, swear, smoke) and are rude and surly. Not the people on here perhaps.
Exactly.
Some rich people are rich because they are very good at getting the best deals for their money.
They don't want to be ripped off so will look for the best value for their hard earned money.
What's funny is some of the guys quoting big bucks for this job believe they will do a better, more professional job then the ones quoting half the price. The reality is the 'bigger' companies have alot higher overheads and pass this on to the customer, the 'little' guys with smaller overheads can do exactly the same job at a much better price.
Anyone with sense knows this which is why it's always better to shop around, no matter how rich you are.
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Just because you can afford something doesn't make you any less aware of somebody trying to make a mug out of you
if anything the rich would be more paranoid about this.
They know what they need to pay for a decent service and when somebody is taking the pee, but I suppose there might be a few
nice but dim types out there who believe they need to pay a window cleaner a £100 or more an hour.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1458289681_grin[1].gif)
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Just because you can afford something doesn't make you any less aware of somebody trying to make a mug out of you
if anything the rich would be more paranoid about this.
They know what they need to pay for a decent service and when somebody is taking the pee, but I suppose there might be a few
nice but dim types out there who believe they need to pay a window cleaner a £100 or more an hour.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1458289681_grin[1].gif)
I've found enough to keep four people in full time employment so far. ;)
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Of course its relative, you get in where you fit it.
Thats why these threads are complete poope, if you drive brand new vans and have lots of overheads, have a massive mortage and want to be a millionaire you charge a hell of a lot more than the guy who want to earn 500 a week on a part time basis and has very few overheads.
so you name your price what you think you can get away with and thats it.
SO if like the O.P you quote 400 quid and someone whos just starting out and has never earned 150 a day in his life comes along to quote your more than likely fecked..
Complete balls m8 you speak for yourself when it comes to getting things repossessed,if a job is worth 400 that's what it's worth but a new WC wouldn't know this so he would charge peanuts for it or 150 quid. I would pay a subby 200 to do that without my profit on top,and as for a new window cleaner doing it he wouldn't get a job like that or he wouldn't have the kit to reach any of it. A building that size is not a job for any new window cleaner.
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There's a repeated mistake on this thread, namely people considering their costs when they price a job.
Do you really think about the cost of the components, assembly, shipping and retailing when you buy a phone (or anything else for that matter)? No, you consider value for money for you (not price), balancing what you're paying against what you're getting.
So the question is not whether someone's making an exorbitant profit or too little profit (or if they have to fund a new pole or if they use two broomsticks taped together), it's a matter of what the customer will pay for the level of service you offer.
If you just go in with a price, you're competing on one aspect of the deal. If you let the debate be just about price, you're stuffed unless you can cut service to the bone and go in lower than everyone else. If you sell yourself as offering an insured, well-mannered, super service with bells and whistles of some kind (up to and including a free prostitute for the day for the person buying), you can charge more because the value for money is there.
So, in short, there is no "correct" price for any job. There's just what someone will pay for the level of service you offer.
Vin
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8weekly don't listen to any of this drivel what you quoted was more than fair I don't know the reasons for you not getting it but I can't think it was the price.
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Anyone in a place like that would have in there mind roughly what they want to pay and it wouldn't be 150 quid,some keep saying they wouldn't be silly no they obviously wouldn't but they wouldn't think get him he's cheap they would think he's not gonna do a proper job at that price look how many Windows we have,they would go for one of the prices between 350-600 mark and choose the person they thought they'd get along with.
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Of course its relative, you get in where you fit it.
Thats why these threads are complete poope, if you drive brand new vans and have lots of overheads, have a massive mortage and want to be a millionaire you charge a hell of a lot more than the guy who want to earn 500 a week on a part time basis and has very few overheads.
so you name your price what you think you can get away with and thats it.
SO if like the O.P you quote 400 quid and someone whos just starting out and has never earned 150 a day in his life comes along to quote your more than likely fecked..
Complete balls m8 you speak for yourself when it comes to getting things repossessed,if a job is worth 400 that's what it's worth but a new WC wouldn't know this so he would charge peanuts for it or 150 quid. I would pay a subby 200 to do that without my profit on top,and as for a new window cleaner doing it he wouldn't get a job like that or he wouldn't have the kit to reach any of it. A building that size is not a job for any new window cleaner.
I think it was me who mentioned blow holes getting things repossessed, it wasn't mean as a slur on anybody who has been in that
position more as an explanation on why some need to blow their own trumpet.
Its not hard to spot the successful guys on here and very easy to unravel the rantings of a blow hole.
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By the way even though its hard to price a property by looking at a photo I also think that £150 for that property does
sound a bit on the low side especially if its not on the doorstep.
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The mind boggles how stupid some people are as I would just laugh and walk away if they expected me to do that lot for less than 400. ;D
You charge VAT do you Smurf ? Or you not hit the threshold yet ? ;D
I'm semi retarded (sorry mean retired) and in not very good health so am fortunate enough in a way I can pick and choose what jobs I take on. I also work very few hours compared to most which suites me just fine.
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I think this 150 quid figure is a joke isn't it,come on lads tell me it's a joke. 💸💸💸💸💸💸
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I think this 150 quid figure is a joke isn't it,come on lads tell me it's a joke.
OK it's a joke. Happy now ;D
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The mind boggles how stupid some people are as I would just laugh and walk away if they expected me to do that lot for less than 400. ;D
You charge VAT do you Smurf ? Or you not hit the threshold yet ? ;D
I'm semi retarded (sorry mean retired) and in not very good health so am fortunate enough in a way I can pick and choose what jobs I take on. I also work very few hours compared to most which suites me just fine.
Thats as diplomatic an answer as David Cameron would give ;D The answers, no then you havn't hit the plus 1K a week mark yet, but charge 400 for a days work . How come ?
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The mind boggles how stupid some people are as I would just laugh and walk away if they expected me to do that lot for less than 400. ;D
You charge VAT do you Smurf ? Or you not hit the threshold yet ? ;D
I'm semi retarded (sorry mean retired) and in not very good health so am fortunate enough in a way I can pick and choose what jobs I take on. I also work very few hours compared to most which suites me just fine.
Thats as diplomatic an answer as David Cameron would give ;D The answers, no then you havn't hit the plus 1K a week mark yet, but charge 400 for a days work . How come ?
You would need to hit or go over gross turnover of 82,000 in anyone year to trigger compolusory vat registration.
If my maths are right say you have a gross steady turnover of 1k a week that's only 52,000 a year whithout taking any holidays so why would you want all the agro to go vat registered if you don't need to. ???
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Cannae be bothered reading through the drivel but I do one very similar and it's £450. I look at that photo and see a "minimum" of £400- I wouldn't even consider anything less.
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I quoted £400 plus VAT. I would have done it for £300 plus VAT but it wasn't guaranteed quarterly and I'd have to buy a 45 foot pole. The current cleaners charge £170 plus Vat.
The one I do which is similar (as described in my other post) was being done by a large commercial company before me. They made a complete mess and were called back to re-clean. On their "second" attempt they made an even worse job! Goes to show that not everyone is competent enough (or charge enough to care enough) to do this type of work to a sufficient standard. IMO this kind of job requires a price over and above you normal daily/hourly rate- or you may as well just do a day on 3 bed semis.
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I quoted £400 plus VAT. I would have done it for £300 plus VAT but it wasn't guaranteed quarterly and I'd have to buy a 45 foot pole. The current cleaners charge £170 plus Vat.
The one I do which is similar (as described in my other post) was being done by a large commercial company before me. They made a complete mess and were called back to re-clean. On their "second" attempt they made an even worse job! Goes to show that not everyone is competent enough (or charge enough to care enough) to do this type of work to a sufficient standard. IMO this kind of job requires a price over and above you normal daily/hourly rate- or you may as well just do a day on 3 bed semis.
Well said
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we done a house the same as that and the out side would take one man 3-4 hrs max with a break and use less than 400 ltrs of water
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we done a house the same as that and the out side would take one man 3-4 hrs max with a break and use less than 400 ltrs of water
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You might be right on the water, but there's no way that could be done in and out in 3 hours. I do one less than half the size of that every 2 months and it takes me over 3 hours. And they are still clean inside!
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we done a house the same as that and the out side would take one man 3-4 hrs max with a break and use less than 400 ltrs of water
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You might be right on the water, but there's no way that could be done in and out in 3 hours. I do one less than half the size of that every 2 months and it takes me over 3 hours. And they are still clean inside!
put your glasses on steve
3_4 hours for outside only as what you asked in your first post ;) ;) ;) ;)